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Are Steam Tanks worth it? The model is cool - but is it 2 at 2000 points cool?
>>92705617>What's the coolest model in your army?IDK. I think they're all pretty cool.
>>92705732You can only fit one in 2000 points.
>>92705617BY SIGMAR THERES A VILE RAT-MEN IN THIS THREAD!PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE OR YOUR PUNISHMENT IS DEATH
>>92705771Am I missing or misinterpreting something?
>>92705803UH, I'M A MAN-THING! I LIKE PAYING TAX-TITHES!
>>92705617So far I think it's my shaman on a boar. Just really liking how he is coming together. Really hoping to get the casting effect right.
>>92705771Retard
>>92705878>the contrast of the vulture and orc>those eyes>that subtle glow>my god, it even has OSL
>>92705878>gork and/or mork, heed my call
Could GW get away with this today?
>>92705758how many times a day does he have to cut off his hand to sport that fancy hook?
>>92706247They can't even write consistent rules these days, so why should they be able to write humorous things ? Also: no, not with the current crowd of people out there.
>>92705843It costs 265 points minimum and you only have a 500 point budget on rare choices in 2000 points.
reposting a few pics from the last thread, these are some shots of the 1000 point ogre kingdoms list i played yesterday in a tournamentarmy shots first, this is a group of 3 bulls with iron fists and a giant.>TQprobably the 6th edition maneatersfor empire, it's either the 5th edition flagellants or the 6th edition metal engineer with long rifle resting his leg on a peasant.
>>92706496second army shot with mournfang cavalry and butcher
>>92706501third army shot of some ironguts in poor lighting that i took earlier this week, having just finished them in time for the tournament.
>>92706505a shot from this morning, almost my entire ogre kingdoms army, including some unpainted maneaters, a firebelly and gnoblars on the right.the painted models already form a very solid 2,5k army for TOW so i'm not in a particular hurry to finish the rest, i will get to them eventually over the summer, i believe. all the painted models have been painted within the past year. not pictured here are about 3-4 more ironguts and a second cannon i have unassembled in a the closet.
>>92706521a few reposts of the game shots from last thread, these are from a 1000 points tournament that had a restriction of no "lord-level" characters or wizards higher than level 2. still someone managed to bring a high elf hero on a dragon.the first game i won with a quite decent margin against vampire counts. killed off his vampire hero general on the left flank with a charge of my giant, the rest basically folded soon thereafter. the only survivor was his necromancer who managed to kill half a unit of ironguts with the unquiet spirits spell. holy hell that spell is aids, 3d6 attacks with no armour saves permitted. very unethical.
>>92706532a shot of game 2 against empire. my cats ate his mortar on turn 2. he was entirely tabled after turn 3. i didn't lose a single model and got a massacre victory. nicest guy i've played against so far probably, too bad he brought a comfy list instead of a sweaty one, so he didn't have too much success in the games. big infantry blocks don't hold up too well against a mournfang charge. i overrun that block of 30ish halberdsmen with a captain in one turn. warhams is hell.
>>92706543my final game yesterday was against my friend's bretonnia, who deservedly won the best painted army award. he didn't win much else, killed a few bulls with his questing knights and shot a couple of ironguts with spells and arrows, I tabled him entirely for another massacre victory.
>>92706552his knights tried a point blank charge against my giant.
>>92706501My potMy meatMy meal!
>>92706563they did not live to tell the tale. the only survivor being this duke or whatever the bretonnian heroes are called, soon left the battlefield in a hurry. this shot bears some resemblance to that white girl on the couch.
>>92706552>building over the road
>>92706727yeah it looks a little silly but that tower was the objective so it had to be dead in the middle for gameplay reasons.
What's the coolest bloodline and why?
>>92706851strigoi: interesting history that creates room for characters that have at least 2 dimensions to them, sorta-fresh take on the most bestial transformations of vampiresstrigoi are closely followed by blood dragons: they add a level of honourable nuance to what's usually just cartoonishly evil characters and the imagery of the heavy knight is top notch, it's like seeing the lightning of the chaos warrior archetype strike a second time the lowest of the low are lahmians because modern fantasy cannot channel 80's cheesecake anymore and nobody really understands why they're different compared to the von carstein once that element is lost, not even your image
How do we fix beastmen?I really don’t want to pick Skaven as my evil faction, but beastmen seem boring in the long term.
>>92706945You mean in terms of aesthetics, gameplay, your dudes?
>>92706934>sorta-fresh take on the most bestial transformations of vampiresdunno about thathttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrigoiNot strictly speaking a fresh take. Pretty much all of the bloodlines are 1:1 representations of the most common tropes.They all are interesting in their ownright though. Lahmia are hard to represent in a wargame. They make perfect villains for RPGs though.
>>92706851Necrarch, it’s so obvious.
>>92706951All, fren.They must embrace the folk terror fully. And have a personal and finny playstyle. Also variety.
>>92706851>>92706934>>92706954Only correct answer: Blood Dragons.
>>92706955alright, then, but these aren't easy or seamless solutions>aestheticsconvert more, beastemen, like orcs and other forces of chaos, work best when they're a grouping of various smaller tribes joining forces for a raid, this should push you to put emphasis on how each group has its little cultural or phenotypical differences such as tribal blood warpaints, equipment taken from a specific location, or being, say, fish mutants instead of goat mutants>gameplaythey're chaos, you've got the chaos warriors roster to ally with, and potentially also the demons, and while I'm not telling you to just play warriors or demons I'll tell you to use the ally system to insert different unit profiles to your army and convert models to count as those things
>>92706988>your dudesthis should go hand in hand with the first point, on top of the differences between beatsmen tribes, aspects to explore and emphasize are the turnskins, the gave children, the demon-blooded beastmen from the south pole, and possibly the breath of options offered by the possible relations between beastmen and chaos gods, some fluff goes with them being misbegotten children, byproducts regarded only as tools that could never do anything but follow the will of chaos and that at the same time could never offer the gods something interesting because they lack the ability to truly fall or the passions of human souls, at times they were like any other chaos being, taking on their personal path to glory and gaining gifts and favours, this could potentially give you beastmen who became demon princes even, newer fluff has painted them also as creatures that are so in tune with the most primal aspect and philosophy of chaos that they scorn the gods and their followers for being weak, another road is the skaven one, to give them their own deities and patrons, morghur is one option, years ago I tried my hand at describing a possible deity of beastmen, its aesthetic, themes and narratives, maybe I should search it up in the archivesin any case you shouldn't feel forced to adhere to the "correct" one, or to choose one for yours, your tribes and characters can and should reflet the entire wing of options and that should shape how they look, what's their history, what are their goals, their methods and their enemiesbeastmen work best when they're truly chaotic and that of course cannot arise from a prepackaged modular range of kits, you need a personal labour of love
>>92706990another punctualisation is that all this stuff happens all over the world, not just the empire, bretonnia will have turnskins, tilea will have gaves, araby may have a djin-blooded beastmen from the court of an eccentric sultanit is true that the influence of chaos is smaller the more you go away from the poles, but maybe due to this reason beastmen were regarded differently in nehekhara (less mutants, less threats, less negative prejudice, higher chances of them being treated like blessed by their own gods) and you may have an ushabti model representing a beastman that was given particular funerary attentions, and while the lands of cathay are now under the seemingly micromanaging royal dragons, I'm sure asian folklore and the fact the dragons were pushed to create bloodlines of hybrids will give you the occasion to explore perhaps a banished tainted draconic mutant child of one of the dragons
>>92706851Lahmians if you like intrigue and manipulation or blood dragon if you like martial vampires. Every other bloodline is shit.
>>92706967I like my blood dragons like my gloryholes, occupied by men only.
>>92706563Hang on, I recognize those knights; They're middenheimers!
>>92706851Lahmians due to being able to field a more "tomb king" looking army, as well as being more focused on manipulation and trickery
>>92706851Do bloodknights even use magic?
>>92707251not if they wear armour :^)
>>92705803>A VILE RAT-MENA what now?
>>92706945>How do we fix beastmen?You mean nerf?Because they don't need any fixing at this point, they are a strong army with various choices for gameplay
>>92703840>is there bad Fantasy art?
>>92707467Avilier Hatmanna terrible merchant from marienburg, deal with him with extreme prejudice
Could I make a Beastmen army with only Tzaangors?
>>92707502I cant even make a joke here.
>>92707498Oh yes, the Marienburgers are the worst, I fully agree
>>92707668A joke? It's a serious question that I'm asking.Well can you?
There was a tourney without rule of 3 recently, mids gt in the UK. Only one of the top 3 lists ran a dragon (wood elves). 2nd place was super msu dwarves, the only character was an anvil of doom and the rest of the list was min squads of missile infantry + 8 gyrocopters and some bolt throwers. 3rd place beastmen also ran a lot of small squads and a wizard as only character.
>>92707502I guess? You can convert the chariots, maybe using a burning chariot of tzeentch, or just using Tzaangors for crew. There's the ogroid thaumaturge which is probably the best you have for tzeentch monstrous infantry. Not sure what wings would be appropriate for harpies. Monsters, you have the vortex beast. Distinguishing between all the different gors seems annoying as well. Not sure what you'd do for dragon ogres.
>>92707779Shows that Old World too can be absolutely cancer if congrats get ahold of it
>>92707834*compfags
>>92707835Just a different sort of cancer than usual. Mostly the tournaments seem to encourage spamming monsters and characters on monsters so far, so lists with one character and a ton of msu is a change of pace.
>>92707834>>92707864That is a fate of any game that has organized tournamentsIf you want best experience you should organize thematic campaigns in local gaming groups / stores
>>92707502Definitely, just run em as gors and if you've got a lot of 2 handed weapons for some bestigors. A tzaangor on a disc pulled by a screamer for a chariot. Take a tzaangor off a disc and there's your bray shaman. Hell could even go a mutalith as a jabberslyth if you want to keep the whole tzeentch theme.
>>92705843Do some math dumb nigga
>>92705913>being impressed with contrast paint Lol...
I think I got sold a bunch of recasts (they were horribly painted so it wasn't obvious on the pics) and now I'm triggered.
>>92707834feel like it's a dev problem not a player problem. If they come up with rules that make this kind of thing a top tier strat they need to go back to the drawing board
>>92706532>no terrain >movement trays not even painted God every time I try to come back to Warhammer I'm presented with low effort slop like this
>>92707949when it happened to me I got my money back I bought them knowing they were recasts and with the intent of getting my money back anyway
>>92707779>8 gyrosTileadwarfanon?
>>9270795240k has an actual team dedicated to balance, with the rules in 10th being very clearly designed towards making it easier to balance, and regular rule updates. They still end up with stupid cheese lists constantly and struggle to keep factions in their 45-55% wr benchmark. I would temper your expectations a bit. I'm sure every other edition of fantasy has had stupid cheese strats, and the cheese would be much more refined under the current climate of online netlisting and meta analysis.
>>92708057>40k has an actual team dedicated to balancelol.Lmao.
>>92708057>40k has an actual team dedicated to balanceThis is either a lie they peddle or those people on the team suck at their job. Only two answers.
>>92707943
Sir Duncan didn't like AoShttps://youtu.be/LjbUm9z6fiY?si=WhJ3k6WaWLO5h-Um&t=2614
>>92707949>>92707961I've been a little worried that the things I've bought off ebay were recasts, I don't really know how to tell the difference either as the whole reason I got them was because I didn't have those models. One for example has all the pieces and was only undercoated, for a long time too as it has the classic chipping all over it from being primed but ignored for years.
>>92708130If some details are not crisp then it's likely a recast.
>>92708169>My actual reaction when I dropped my tomb King army onto the battlefield for my first ever game with a random and the first thing out of the opponents mouth is "you put your king on a Chariot? Why? It's so inefficient BECAUSE IT'S COOLER YOU FUCK REEEEEEEEEEEE
>>92708130my usual checks are flash and mouldlines, if it has flash, say, between the arm and the body where other online examples don't, then I take it for a recast, if it has a double mouldline I automatically assume it's a recast (even though there are arguably cases where an original can have them)also a lot of recasters don't give a single shit about making the bar for the slottabase get recasted well, because they focus on the model and the thing is not really a thing that has to be flawless by comparison, so if that's weird, or absent then I assume it's a recastan egregious recast I bought had mouldlines under the feet where said metal bar would have been in an original, and that's a dead giveaway of the fact it was a recast of one miniature where the bar was removedif you buy multiples of the same piece you can also check if they have little damage to the metal in the same identical spots
>>92708169You've summed it up perfectly. It's part of the reason I enjoyed WHFB over the years, because all those types of players have moved on to AoS and the latest 40k. TOW has been the worst thing to happen to this game and this general in the last 10 years, it has brought a lot of this behavior back into our game. Exempli gratia >>92708206
>>927074874e as much worse art than that
>>92707487>>92708249Slayers are simply the dumbest thing to happen WHF, the orange mohawks should have stayed in the 80's, it looks so fucking retarded
>>92708057If I wanted a competetive, often patched game, I would play on-line
>>92708294Where would I go if I wanted a game that was fun.
>>92708264Slayer is the smallest (heh) problem in this pic
>>92708249The main rulebook is really hit and missI waited long to buy it translated, even considered buying collector's edition, and thank God I didn't in the endThe artwork sometimes made me put the book away for a time
>>92708264but le hecking based dwarferino!
>>92708296That depends on the area, I guess?I mean, if you want a nice experience, you should find a gaming club or a bunch of people in general, and play a thematic campaign with themTournaments can be nice and allow you to meet people (also so you know who to avoid), but in general you almost always meet mini-maxers that will spoil the experience for you
>>92708296You would go to /awg/ or /hwg/
>>92706851It's the Von Carstein lineage and anyone who tells you otherwise is either being disingenuous or deluding themselves.
>>92708264Your dad should've worn a condom in the 80's, then we wouldn't have to deal with such fucking stupid opinions now.
>>92708498
>>92706450Just once with a flaming sword.
>>92708530Why was he so bad at not getting incapacitated by stupid shit?
>>92708524I wasn't born in the 80's, boomer faggot
>>92708264I admire you being so brave in you bad taste.
>>92708367>find a gaming groupHow?
>>92707030
>>92708847Look around your area for a store that sells hobby-related stuff, ask if they've got a group of players, you're welcome(d by them)those are the steps
>>92708847Have you ever heard of friends and family?
>>92708169I feel like esports at least require some kind of skill and/or training. You won't win money just with cheese, because cheese is easy to counter if your opponent is not an absolute casual. And even if they are - losing to cheese once usually teaches them what they did wrong.
>>92708264>
>>92708264The Redditors didn't seem to like this one
>>927082494e FB? what bad art was in that?
>>92707487This is worse than 2008 Korean MMO art
>>927090474e of WFRP
>>92708871I did and nobody plays fantasy or tow
I want to create an army inspired in the Scourge/eastern plaguelands of WoW aesthetic.¿Nurgle or VC?
>>92708936Unironically this. If you have to rely on going to a LGS to play with smelly autistic randos .... LMAO @ your life
>>92709399>plays at home>has the cancerous L shape cardboard tournament terrainlmao @ your life
>>92709398/wfg/ is white mans territory, skedaddle on back to Mexico, bean man
>>92709417I clicked on a random pic saved from my bad terrain folder (thumbnail looked like a LGS) , here's one from the good terrain folder
>>92709445what about one from your own terrain folder?
>>92709445Holy fuck, Historical Chads keep on winning. Scifi and fantasy fags simply can't compete with historical grog supremacy
>>92709465I could post my terrain but it would only make you seethe
>>92709417It's weird because there is nice 3d printed stuff on the fireplace in the background.
>>92709398>WoW aestheticUh, maybe not?
>>92709507I'm not that anon, and trust me, it wouldn't, I have other material at hand to make me seethe anyway
>>92709398While I see the temptation to go Nurgle with the plague and abominations giving that vibe, I think you can't go wrong with VC. Zombies, ghouls, some banshees/ghosts, dire wolf hellhounds, fel bat gargoyles (or just bats), necromancers/acolytes, and you have the leader as a Necrarch/master necromancer lich, or a Blood Dragon Death Knight. Abominations are the only problem with the VC choice, but could be unit fillers for zombies or some kind of black coach conversion? Consider Skrag the Slaughterer as an abom pulling a plague cauldron.
>>92709526>Abominations are the only problem with the VCCrypt horrors.
>>92706988oh this is a good point to ask - what demons pair well with them? any especially juicy combos?
>>92709600Thanks, they skipped my mind completely.
>>92708966>You won't win money just with cheese, because cheese is easy to counter if your opponent is not an absolute casual.And if the Cheese strat DOES work, and you do it at a high enough level, the game devs will bow to pressure from the other sponsors and patch it out.
What's the difference between the old WHFRP 1e fluff and the modern/later edition fluff?
honestly super fucking new to actually playing and not just collecting. how dogshit's my list and how can i make it less soBloody Sun Boyz [2000 pts]++ Characters [751 pts] ++Black Orc Warboss [230 pts]- Great weapon- Full plate armour- General- War Boar- Da Choppiest Choppa- Trollhide TrousersOrc Weirdnob [205 pts]- Hand weapon- Frenzy- Level 4 Wizard- Warpaint- Idol of Mork- Waaagh! MagicNight Goblin Oddgit [85 pts]- Hand weapon- Level 2 Wizard- IllusionBlack Orc Bigboss [116 pts]- Hand weapon- Full plate armour- Battle Standard Bearer- War BoarOrc Bigboss [82 pts]- Hand weapon- Light armour- Shield- Da Thinkin' Orc's 'AtNight Goblin Bigboss [33 pts]- Hand weapon- Additional hand weapon++ Core Units [922 pts] ++24 Orc Mob [161 pts]- Hand weapons- Additional hand weapons- Light armour20 Orc Mob [162 pts]- Hand weapons- Frenzy (no armour)- Big Stabba- Shields20 Goblin Mob [97 pts]- Hand weapons- Thrusting spears- Shields20 Goblin Mob [97 pts]- Hand weapons- Shortbows20 Night Goblin Mob [147 pts]- Hand weapons- Shields- Netters- 2x Fanatics20 Black Orc Mob [258 pts]- Great weapons- Full plate armour++ Special Units [327 pts] ++Orc Boar Chariot [90 pts]- Hand weapons- Cavalry spearsOrc Boar Chariot [90 pts]- Hand weapons- Cavalry spears3 River Troll Mob [147 pts]- Hand weapons
>>92709807for some reason i thought that'd collapse my text so it wouldn't take a fuckload of room. now it's just harder to read. oh well.
>>92709807You literally cant make an OnG list bad enough to not roll most of your opponents over. It takes active effort or retardation to lose with that army.
>>927098222 quote a wise philosopherwaaagh
>>92709807Not reading all that, but ask yourself>did I build the army I though looked coolest? If yes, based >did I build the army based off rules/strength/playability Gay and transexual
>>92709848yeah i built it around how sick the older mixed OnG armies looked, with night goblins, savage orcs, and black orcs etc all next to one another honestly i struggled between the trolls and making room for a giant. more just wanted 2 make sure my funny list wasn't complete dogshit
https://www.gencon.com/events?game=Warhmmer:+The+Old+WorldOne tournament at Gencon so far. Surprisingly max 16 players which is uhhh weird because the Adepticon had like four times more and sold out.
>>92709995>tournament Fuck off with that fag virgin shit
>>92710008Tournaments are as old as the game itself. Caring about balanced tournaments is what makes you a zoomie-brain.
>>92707482They dont need a nerf
>>92707482>strong army with various choices for gameplaySounds like something you should do for other armies instead of taking it away.
>>92709995I'm going to be in Thailand during Gencon. Maybe I'll bring an army next year.
>>92709995Using NOVA Open guidelines • Points Level: 2,500 Points • Legacy Armies & Arcane Journals are allowed • Rule of Three (Characters/Core/Special) • Max 2 of the same Rare choice • Max 2 Characters in a unit • Max 1 Level 3 or 4 • Max 35% Points on Characters (875 pts) • Max 10 models wide for Closed and Open formations • No Allies • Characters on chariot and/or monster mounts take a slot of that chariot and/or monster from the 0-3 restriction • Detachments use one of the 0-3 slots • Proxies are welcome but should follow the What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG) rule.
Bros, I stripped this second hand vintage rat ogre and as you can hopefully see he's looking weird. The surface is very rough and grainy. It's especially visible on the sword blade. I am not sure if it is a crude recast or perhaps a case of lead rot. It was part of a batch of minis that looked like they were painted in the 90s by a kid (goblin green, crude paintjob, lots of super glue, etc) so unlikely to be recent.
>>92710625For comparison, here is what a normal model looks like.
>>92710463>vacationing in Thailand
>>92710625>>92710639Nothing you can't fix with some milliput, or green stuff if you're a retard
>>92709995hasn't gencon always been a nothing con GW?>>927105122500 is an interesting choice. Why?
>>92710907>>9271051235% hero's and capping rares at 2 is absolutely retarded, what the fuck is wrong with these people.
Just got an Orc & Goblins army for 200€ on Ebay-29 Black Orcs-16 arrer boyz-20 Spida ridas140 Nigh goblins (35 shortbows)What else do I need?
>>92711070Giants, Spear Chukkas and characters.You're probably gonna want some boar boyz aswell and maybe the odd Mangler Squig.
>>92710834there are two kinds of ppl in this threadthose who despise milliputand those who swear by itpersonally I use it mixed with gs most of the timetoughts?
>>92711070>What else do I need?The spirit of the gaem and a mouthful of racial slurs. Also a character or two
>>92710907Not sure. >>92710996The lower hero cap seems like a common way to try and target dragon lords. The rare cap is kinda weird. Is one more rare choice going to break things?
>>92711070Bosses to keep the gitz fightin are the only thing you really 'need'. Id suggest you look through the specials and rare choices and pick up stuff that looks fun to you tho. Trolls, Boar Boyz, Squig Herds etc
>>92710996>>92710907>>92710512Lmao >Rule of 3 on core/heroes/special >Rule of 2 on rares>2500pts ->3 x 3hr games >>>92711297>lower hero cap seems like a common way to try and target dragon lords.875pts limits level 4s + 600pt dragons but that's about it. It's more of an issue for armies that need support heroes to function.
>>92711070Depemds on what direction you want to go, but;>Mandatory:ShamanWyvernSpear chukkasBoar boys>i like big thingsGiantTrolls>squigsHoppersMangler>spidersArachnarockSpider riders
>>92711280got the second one, ggtting into the first>>92711136I wantt Trolls because they look funny and I am getting an order for the stone trolls and the shaman on wyvern. >>92711376thinking about getting the comand set for goblins because the goblin who seems to get his soul ripped out looks dope + the Black orc command for stuntie bullying.>>92711399are spear chukkas that much better than doomdivers? I am ggetting the shaman on wyvern order.Is there no need for charriots?
Glue sniffler here, is there any lore reason every single lizardmen army is blue? Shit like Orcs being green because they just are green? I'd think the army of mesoameric dinos would be great for creative colorschemes, but not, you will get blue (at most turquoise) and you will like it.
>>92710463>middle aged overweight white British man vacationing in Thailand Every fucking time
>>92711070>20 spear chuckas >15 cock suckaz >23 knob rubbas Why did they do this retarded naming scheme with Orrucks, it's so over done and trite
>>92712213unfortunately, the vast majority of people that do end up painting their miniatures for game purposes are surprisingly devoid of creativity and will go with "boxart" schemes as if they were assembling a puzzle and the official scheme was the instructions. even "alternative" paintschemes often need to be justified somewhere in the lore for many people to be acceptable (look at the many threads on reddit or even on old forums asking "is it ok to paint my whatever this way?")
>>92712213No and go read their 5th ed book.
Does it seem like dragons get about 2 extra wounds than they should compared to other monster mounts? (looking at monsters who are both monster mounts or individual monsters, and the 8th profiles)
>>92712460we really didn't know how good we had it, model wise, till we didn't have it any longer.
>>92712460>>92712493I do love the colors and Rankin Bass lookin Trish monsters from this era.
>>92712460Not really. A manticore or chimera can give like +4, a dragon giving +6 is reasonable.
>>92707779> rank and flank game replaced with AoS> grog fags whine and complain> rank and flank is brought back> grog fags immediately play msu AoS style shit and not rank and flankInteresting
>>92712508all exaggeration aside, I've always been fond of older and chunkier models.but for the vast majority of my hobby life they were always something most people would either replace as soon as possible or not be interested in at all. he'll, as late as 2012/2013 I remember you could find long discontinued metal models on ebay for no more than 2-3 dollars a pop.I'm sure that the back catalog still being technically available also somewhat helped with that. oldhammer as a movement was just about coming to light and the price for OOP dwarfs or goblins had not yet begun to rise. I remember buying stuff like 12 metal dwarf miners for $9 plus shipping; or missing an auction for the dwarven dragon company that ended up at less than $15 and thinking "whatever, another one will pop up soon"for cheap bastards like me who really like old models it was a golden age, where I could accumulate models older than me for a pittance.
>>92707835Anon that tournament didn't have comp
>>92708122The Jordan sorcery shilling is non stop lately.Hey you fat fuck. You fucking SUCK are interviewing.
>>92712213>any lore reason every single lizardmen army is blue?No they just kinda started being blue one day, probably because greenskins were already the 'green' army so they were trying to make the lizardmen more visually distinct. As for orcs theres some passin mentions about the color being caused by some kinda green fungus or something. But really is just because greenskinz are greenskinz, its their iconic look that gw gave em way back when so why ever change it
>>92707963no. I'm tilea dwarf anon and that wasn't me.I ran a flying circus list with no artillery or shooting in an 8th ed tourbament last November because I wanted to bring a list no one had ever brought to a tournament (I've never seen anyone else run dwarfs without artillery of any kind.I don't really play TOW. I still love the setting but have actually kind of lost interest for Warhammer Fantasy as a ruleset and have been trying a few other games to use my tilean dwarfs in.
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>>92708850>>92707030>believing the word of a vampire>believing the word of a WOMAN
>>92710512> dwarfs allowed 3 cannons, 3 bolt throwers, 3 organ guns> I can't take 2 bolt throwersFair and balanced!
>>92712621Isn't Luthor technically a blood dragon? I think it was Abby that turned him, no? Not culturally, sure, but the blood lineage itself is the same as in the blood dragons.
>>92712460The issue with dragons isnt their stats, some weirdly inflated I values (a common issue this edition, see orcs getting high I) asides theyre more or less exactly what they should be. The issue is cost.
>>92712729>The issue is cost.yeah but the high cost of miniatures has been an issue for at least the past 25 years. there's always been tons of way around it but it's by no means a new issue.
>>92712772>>92712729Pretty sure he means points cost. Would dragonlords still be such a problem if they had a split profile?
>>92711640>chariotsIf you want nomads yes.If you like the look of them, also yes.
>>92712834>split profile?This kills the monster hero.Dragons are not an issue, playing below 2k and adding any sort of comp is the issue.If you want to nerf dragons you only to need to remove 2 items from behemoths. Seed of Rebirth, and enchanting aura.This instantly fixes the survivability of helves and inability to harm chaos dragons.
Would bloodreavers work a khorne marked marauders, at least size wise compared to old chaos warriors?
>>92713066Yeah they actually don't look too bad next to the old ones.
>>92713066Yeah they're fine.
>>92708169take your meds schizonone of what you said makes any sense and is just random ass assertions. How does any of the groups you brought up have definitive overlapping? WAAC faggotry comes with popularity, not some vague democraphic of "weak males"
>>92713313No, that anon has a point. People who are not very successful in other aspects of their lives may use things like that to polish up their ego with easy wins and consequently have their self-esteem tied to it more than is healthy. Not exactly uncommon (and not just limited to wargaming either), but of course not the only reason to be a competitive gamer. Just happens that those people also tend to be unpleasant encounters because they don't have the perspective to see the game as just a game and make sore losers and winners.
>>92712729> isn't their statsI mean, being 8 to 9 Ws then having min 3+ Sv and 5++, often a 5++, is the issue.
Not my paint job but Venerable Thaumaturge from Gamezone. I also have a metal Marius Lietdorf and Kurt Helborg.
>>92713313Weak male cope
>>92712729You could fix dragons by going after stats, points, access to magic items, specific magic items, how monster mounts work, etc. But honestly, having a single model be a third of your army like WoC do is already lame as hell. I'd rather see rules changes than the same dragonlord builds at a higher price point.
>>92713651It's a bit silly of a concept. The more competitive people play a given game system (which popularity lends itself to), the less easy of a win it'll be. The people who manage to consistently win tournaments in 40k face much steeper competition than the wins people playing in more casual settings do. To speak to my own experience, the most biggest power gamer in my friend group is a lawyer irl and also the most physically fit. He doesn't seek easy wins in things like gaming / wargaming, it's just how he is as a person.
>>92710625that is really strange. there's some like, bubbling? on his feet and the bottom of his loincloth too. maybe some water got in the mold when he was made and it fucked with the molten metal?I'd personally paint it chaosy and rusted and green but that's just me.
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>>92709621I would really appreciate some answers on this
>>92709995Nothing depresses me more because Nashcon the year prior to WHFB murder had well over 200 people.
>>92713066They're the only thing that works if you're living in a hellhole country that only has GW tournaments mate
>>92712460Gross looking model
>>92711206It takes some getting used to, but it's a fine compound.>personally I use it mixed with gs most of the timethoughts?I started doing this recently and it's been pretty awesome, like the best of both worlds from each. 10/10 will continue to use it.
>>92712571A manticore is also giving more wounds than it should, if you look at its 8th edition stats it had fewer wounds than a griffon (and you can’t ride a chimera). Look at griffons and great eagles and phoenix mounts as the comparison, especially as the latter have unmounted stats with identical wounds to 8th, and it looks like the dragon is consistently giving 2 more wounds than it should.
>>92708563Guess when you have a ring that brings you back from the dead, you just stop caring
>playing elves into any T4 army Might just be bad rolls but I keep getting pasted
>>92712213>is there any lore reason every single lizardmen army is blue?Yes. They are blue. You can paint your army any color you like but the standard color for lizardmen in the lore (since 6th edition at least) is blue.The different dinos aren't blue, neither are the slann or chameleon skinks. I have seen some nice looking red color scheme lizardmen armies but I painted mine blue because it feels more right. Kind of like you could paint your empire army all black skin but it would feel weird since they are based on Germans.
>>92709807From an experienced player - collect half of that. Work on painting it up and playing games around the 1k points lv, then after a few (at least 5) games you'll know exactly what you're missing and how you want your full list to operate. Not only will this teach you how to play TOW and how to play Orcs in TOW, but your games won't feel as bad to lose because its not your 'real' army.
>WHFRPsome talents have a max rank, yet their description does not add any benefits to having more than 1does the rank get applied to the mentioned tests, or what's the idea?
>>92715277What flavour of elves?
>>92711070>140 night gobbos>what else do i needFanatics.
>>92715392The high kind
>>92713903There is no comparison to be made with powergaming in Warhammer vs any other competitive endeavor. Including esports like anon said >>92708966 All 'powergaming' is in a busted game like 40k is>read rules>identify whats broken>buy thatNothing about it requires an iq north of 90. I remember a few editions ago beasts of nurgle were busted and some guy won a tourney by maxing them out...ggs ez.
>>92715425there's the obvious answer of a dragon, though what else is in the list? Which T4 armies is it mostly?dragon princes are also really good
>>92712213for the same reason why the majority of marine players paint them as ultramarines, lack of creative drive and a level of fear that their custom doesn't turn out better than the standard there's no lore reason the meta reason is that green is taken by orcs and blue looks best with the abundant gold they carry and the inevitable green jungle bases
>>92705878he cute
>>92715413And Squigs. Those little bastards are fucking lethal.
>>92715444Dwarf gunline, and I don’t take a dragons until 2k out of principle. Most of it was caused by shocking rolls on the charge desu and running cavalry that ruined me
>>92715389So under the heading it will list tests it applies a sl bonus for. Each rank (including the first) add sl bonuses to it (I'm doing this from memory so I think it's success level (sl) not success bonus (sb)
>>92715713makes a bunch of sense, thanks for clearing that up
>>92709775Setting progression?
>>92711640>are spear chukkas that much better than doomdivers? I am ggetting the shaman on wyvern order.On a model to model basis? No. Doom Divers are straight up the best stone thrower weapon in the game. The advantage is that you get two Spear Chukka's for 1 Doom Diver in terms of points. So it's a cost efficiency thing.I still REALLY advocate towards Squigs though. Hoppers are absolute fucking bastards, with 360 degree charges that you can't react to because of Randomised movement (which at 3D6, kind of isn't?) and with Cav Spears hit like a goddamn freight train. NOBODY is ready to have a unit turn 180 degrees, charge a unit that just appeared behind them (because I am an idiot, to clarify) and delete an entire unit of dwarf miners off the board. S5 -1AP with impact hits (1) and the fucking things are WS4! Then the goblin riders finish things off with their St4 -1AP spears.
>>92715769Is there a timeline for the setting progressing up until endtimes?
>>92715839I imagine most people here are overweight now that I think about it.
>>92715992Damn bro you made it.
>ordered marauder giant 2 days ago>already on its way Am I being punked anons does ‘manifested’ just mean it’s in the system
>>92716015Please do not engage with or encourage physiquefag
you guys know grindr? go there to satisfy you needs, this is about warhammer fantasy, not hammered fantasies
>>92715992Unironically mirin' What army do you play?
>>92715441>few editions agoBefore there was anything resembling a competitive scene.>NurgleI remember hearing about a broken chaos nurgle daemons list in 7th, that tracks. Edition was so busted GW rewrote the rules from the ground up.>Identify what is broken, buy itEnough to stomp your local community, maybe. When you see the same few guys in the top 8 of any big event they go to though, that points to something other than army. Hell, to speak of 40k, there was a guy who won a dozen consecutive tournaments running a different army each time, or a guy who put up many tournament wins with an army that was ~35% winrate at the time. This is even more notable in video games. Armada was a swedish guy who played melee for a living, and went on a streak from 2009-2018 where he did not place below fifth at any tournament, and dropped a game to a total of around 5 people.
>>92715992nice calfs dudeI could never make mine look buff
>>92716078If the first thing you think of when you see a toned bro is relations with men, then I think you might be gay.
>>92716088Empire using only historical figures >>92716125Yeah you can, most people try to train calves in the gym and it's useless. My calves got strong from doing a lot of hiking with a heavy pack and a lot of long heavy sled pulls, not 3 sets of calves in the gym. In this pic for example my calves were under heavy load for 6 hours
>>92716225>Empire using only historical figuresEw, lame, no wonder you get pissy at actual fantasy players.
>>92712377Or, you know, they picked the "official" scheme 'cos it looks good and people like it. But no, no that's impossible, it must be that you're just super creative and everyone else is an NPC, that's not rabid narcissism at all...
>>92712573Grogs and Tourneyshitters are not the same groups, friendo.
>>92716292Fantasy is for children and manbabies
>>92715691>don’t take a dragons until 2kYou have baby dragons my guy, you don't need to jump straight to stardrake with ws8 ASF ogre blade.
>>92716135effusively requesting photos of men in a board about games is not gay at all, surepost models
>>92716109>points to something moreNah, it just means that if everyone is taking the most broken bullshit possible then their level of skill *relative to each other* does come back into the equation. If people were showing up to tournaments *regularly* with memelists and fluffy Your Dudes and beating the WAACfaggots with their netlists, then you're have a point, but they don't, it's happened like three times as you listed them. The vast, vast majority of tournaments even top-tier ones are just people who're willing to be assholes when listbuilding playing each other - which would be fine, much better they're off jerking each other off than ruining their local scenes, but unfortunately most of them do both.
>>92716321>post on warhammer FANTASY battles thread
So I have this dumb idea. How would ypu feel about fighting 3 wyverns?
>>92716360Could be fun, but you clearly loaded them on protective gear and filled the rest of the list with cavalry.It's not a list entertaining enough to waste an evening to play with, and most probably neither are you.
Are Nurgle themed armies fun to play in 6th edition / ToW?
>>92716360Annoyed that my opponents trying to cheese
>>92716403Personally nurgle is my least favorite of the chaos gods. As for TOW, Nurgle is good for specific character builds, but less so for units. On the chaos daemons side you basically have an army of speed bumps. Couldn't tell you about 6th edition.
>>92716360On the one hand, the warpaint frenzy one isn't a great build, and wolf riders aren't the greatest. But on the other, it's still 3 of the most obnoxious unit type in ToW.
Anons, how do you differentiate between normal Empire Knights and IC Knights?I am thinking of sculpting some capes for IC and painting more parts in gold/silver, but that does not seem enough desu
>>92716403Not sure about ToW, but in 6e they're not the best. Their Mark is overpriced and situational, and their magic is mid-to-meh.
>>92716503Fancier helmet crests and more tassels
>>92716503Gold trims are my go-to, but incorporating purity seals, more plumes, maybe a skull here and there also works. If you're feeling adventurous sculpting capes and pelts can be cool.
>>92716503paint the armour so that it's not bare metal
>>92716503I don't. One game they'll be IC, next game they'll be normal knights. Often run my ironsides as handgunners with no armour.
Looking good.
>>92716612Is this satire?
>>92716626It literally looks so similar in tone to the old one some AoS players are complaining they didn't change it enough.
>>92716626It's the jezzails we know, only refreshed.
>>92716626Why would it be?
>>92716634You've gotta hide the aos logo, it triggers the fatties
>>92716707>screenshotTimestamp now
>>92716707Sorry, fatties and other homosexuals.
>have a magic banner on one of my units>opponent casts vauls unmaking on it, destroying the banner >my unit gets into combat, loses, gets run down>opponent doesn’t get the bonus points for banner capture since it got dissolved >win the game on points due to it
>>92716707Damn your still here trying to get hook ups? Hurry up and post the same game picture you always post and get banned faggot
>>92716811doesn't it break just the magical banner you purchase on the battle standard, and not the battle standard itself
>>92715175But the asshat kept doing it even without the ring.
>>92716707Why are you wearing a wetsuit?
>>92716634Here's some edits to make it more to their tastes.
>>92716927Not enough black women
>>92716634>some AoS players are complaining they didn't change it enough.where?
>>92716707Did you just admit a logo triggered you?
>>92716707>literal golem
I just came in here to post some neat chariots I came across.
>>92717027I mean this mammerjammer is just straight up getting eaten by its chariot.
>>92717045or getting vomited by it
>>92716927holy KEK
>>92717045The same guy also makes an excellent case for why the Bloodletter kit is a great tool for any chaos converter.
>>92715064>if you look at its 8th edition stats it had fewer wounds than a griffonBoth had 4 wounds in 8th iirc, I guess the retarded imperial griffon may have had more but that thing is dumb.Dragons had 6 wounds on average historically.>eaglesArent monsters, theyre monstrous mounts, which ironically have been combined profile (where they gave +1/+0 wounds depending on lord-hero status). Monstrous mounts giving +1 wound is fine and appropriate. Monsters giving their wounds total is also fine, even if it leads to issues because combined profiles are inherently bad for monsters. At worst you can say that elf dragons (as well as human/elf mounts in general) give too high a T boost.>>92713751Nothing in the game is WS8/9 any more, not really. Statlines have been heavily homogenized for no good reason. But yes, save stacking on monsters is the problem, because combined profile is bad and stupid and I want everyone who asked for it to kill themselves.>>92713865>But honestly, having a single model be a third of your army like WoC do is already lame as hellThen give WoC good units rather than having them be a dragon cheerleader army by necessity.
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>>92717113And final one.It's safe to say that I'm well jell.
>>92717113these are nifty
>>92717136Your mom's nifty, those are great.
>no TOW in any May preview>dwarfs DOAdead game. AoS is getting an entire preview event for the release of the new edition. Even Ligma got a slot kek
>>92717101>give WoC good unitsHoly shit kill yourself. WoC has a shit ton of good units beyond dragon lords.
>>92717385It wasn't at the Las Vegas show either but we got Greenskins soon after. TOW is on its own schedule due to needing to pump out all the armies before Christmas this year.
>>92717415Their best unit beyond the chaos dragon is dragon ogres, something they have on loan from the beastman book.
>>92717385GOOD! Hopefully it dies and all the FOMO fags go back to AoS and 40k and this general is back to grog true fans
>>92717385God I hate gw.>Sales and reception far surpassed GW's expectation>Claim to be expanding the scope>Kill it in the crib anyways by rolling out factions slowly
>>92717446I hope your local scene dies.
Monster lords should be locked to the monsters armor save, and maybe have the monster cost a part of the riders magic item allowance.
>>92716938Did you just assume Glart Smashrips gender?
>>92717455What do you want them to show a battle report? they cant show off new product because its mainly old shit that we likely already own.
>>92717455We got 3 factions over 4 months. That's much faster than AoS or 40k.
>>92716612Thats really nice. Not the biggest fan of the barrel end (bit too "raygun" for my tastes) but on the whole that looks great.
>>92717385>TOW dead gameReally? I saw no 'Selling Fast' Label
>>927174853 factions aka 3 plastic kits, 40k got that much in one side army release with the Kroot.
>>92717464the way easier solution is to make the wounds added to the profile by the monster not benefit from the saves of the rider
>>92716612rat players are eating so fucking good good, you think this kit will also be able to be built into other weapon teams?
>>92717525was that ever the case with any skaven stuff?
>>92717522Thats clunky, leads to strange interactions (multiple wounds ho!) and less intuitive. Its also simply not easier because there is fundamentally more steps involved.
>>92717559ah yes, because the trollhide trousers making the whole wyvern regenerate damage is more intuitive, right?
>>92717521No, they also release older models as well. Nice try siggy-piggy, we've already gotten confirmation that they're EXPANDING THE SCOPE. You're doomerism won't work here.
>>92716612kitbashed mine 2 years ago
>>92717530there were no plastic weapons teams other than the island of blood ones which weren't multi-build for obvious reasons. The screaming bell and warp lightning cannon were multi-build however. In this case as a unit in a starter box the jezzails also will not be multi-build and probably never will be since you wouldn't typically buy weapons teams in threes.
>>92717586>expanding the scope>just means that they are going to revive even older shitty plasticstow is going the way of hh and you can almost taste the anxiety of secondaries and youtuber vultures as they watch their game wither on the vine.
>>92717614expanding the scope means releasing kislev and cathay and planning tow2.0 with the legacy factions getting the same treatment as the core factions in 4-6 years
>>92717614>tow is going the way of hhWhat a successful but niche scene? Oh what a shame. Now i won't have to share a table with some mouth breathing retard that can't keep up with actual rules.
>>92715769I remember reading something like the first edition lore had karl franz as more a stereotypical fat corrupt nobleman rather than the powerful emperor he's depicted as in later stuff, plus a few other things I forgot
>>9271748540k / AoS doesn't have the majority of their factions unavailable to buy. There aren't many new kits being made. I think the StD have seen more new kits revealed over the lifespan of TOW so far, and AoS certainly has seen more new kits over the same timeframe.
>>92709445I gotta say, the people didn't look pleasant but the historical tables at Adepticon this year had to be the prettiest of any events I saw. Something super charming and whimsical about seeing a bunch of 10mm guys running around massive tables, think a lot were at least 6x6'. Seeing the middle aged guy's gunts spilling out of undersized graphic tees onto the tables as they reached to move their guys around was a whole lot less appealing.
>>92717714I've only played a couple games of HH2, but I've also watched a couple others be played. Small scene full of sweaty little shits. Outside of particular niche lists everybody spams the same augery scanner lascannon autocannon squads, contemptors, etc. Saw a world eaters list that starts like some lascannon contemptors on board and then t2 hopes to roll well on deep strike and if he does charges every other unit in the army out of deep strike. If not he just loses. Other than that it was near identical lists return firing each other with heavy weapons squads and contemptor dreads. Somehow seems like a worse game system than modern 40k.
>have Tyrion lead his armies for him>have Tyrion represent his people internationally for him>have Tyrion fuck his wife for himWhat was the point of making him PK if the Tyrion is the de facto faction leader for the Helves? I always thought that the Phoenix King was such a cool concept, and Finubar's election in particular as a guy with a massive international network following a period of crippling isolation for Últhuan an interesting idea for a war game, but why did James just refuse to do anything with him? For such a popular faction it's crazy their leader might as well be a literal who in the game AND fluff.
>>92717900>Small scene full of sweaty little shits.a.) Where do you live ?b.) Remind me to never go nowhere near that place with my HH or WHFB armies.
>>92717900That sounds awful
>>92717796Newness of the kits doesn't matter when you factor in factory space/machine usage. Whether they're new or not, GW is spending a good deal of their production capacity on TOW stuff. The idea that they're slow rolling it is ludicrous.
>>92717948A few games I've watched were in South Dakota, the ones I've played and a few more I watched were in Houston. Both scenes sucked ass.
>>92716028>physiquefagHis name is Ass Poster
>>92717455GW's release schedule is fixed way, way in advance, even if 'expanding the scope' does mean they're properly supporting it going forwards we were always going to be stuck with the current half-hearted launch plans no matter what.
>>92717900With everyone sharing the same units outside of a couple of legion specific units, faacfags will always find and play the most broken shit possible.Unfortunately being a nicher game means less players available so if your local scene sucks cock then you're fucked. Luckily my mates and local scene is fluff based
>>92717955I hate HH from the depths of my being. Beyond the current ruleset being bad from what I have seen of HH1 and 2 all the non marine armies feel like afterthoughts even more so than legacy armies in TOW. Unsurprisingly this means 90% of armies are marines and take maybe one or two legion specific units and the rest from the shared pool.
>>92717941leaving aside the cuck shit it's actually refreshing to have a faction leader that's not necessarily also its foremost fighter/caster/general on the wargameit makes him all the more interesting and surprising when you get to see him and find out that this political figure can also be pretty competent in a fight, while it's just dull when it's the other way around
>>92705617I've a question about bases lads.For chariots, your base has to be 50 x 100 mm.Say I want to use an alternate model as my chariot; a giant with a wide stance - am I allowed to just turn the base so the widest side faces the enemy? Is this a tactical booboo?
>>92718093I'm a lore-let and I don't disagree that having the politics man be not the best fighter is cool. But why also have Tyrion be the international diplomat then?
>>92718134It is a bad idea tactically. It makes your frontage either and it's not music and units hit you. Whether it's kosher is up to your opponent. But that's true of anything from custom units to playing elves.
>>92718183>why also have Tyrion be the international diplomat then?Because GW has shit eyes especially when it comes to elves. Lots of characters who are the best fighter, but also the best wizard, but also the best statesmen, but also a strategic genius.
>>92718209Best fighter and best wizard are generally kept separate. I don't think Gelt has ever been portrayed as a better fighter than Franz or Helborg.
>>92718183>But why also have Tyrion be the international diplomat then?I don't think he is, tyrion is paraded around ulthuan because he's beloved by the elven kingdoms, but I don't know of his use elsewhere.the 2 egregious instances of diplomatic relations were when teclis aided the empire with magic during the great war and when the everchild was sent to make talks with the dwarfs.In other cases it was finubar, the sword he uses I think was a gift from some arabyan guy.maybe you're mistaking tyrion's posterboy status in total war for something else?
>>92718209>Lots of characters who are the best fighter, but also the best statesmen, but also a strategic genius.But enough about karl franz, I thought we were talking about elves.
>>92718093>it's actually refreshing to have a faction leader that's not necessarily also its foremost fighter/caster/general on the wargameWhat baffles me with Ginubar is that at least to my knowledge he's the only faction leader (or what passes for it in shit like Beastmen that are more decentralized) to never get anything remotely official. I guess Skaven clans are also represented by high level officials instead of actual leaders, but at least there we have the excuse of the big hats being 100% dedicated to Council of 13 bullshit. Finubar just doesn't do anything because Tyrion does it for him and that's that.
>>92718277Like I said, I'm a lorelet. I'm just going off the guy who started this discussion saying "have Tyrion represent his people internationally for him", and from what I have heard of Tyrion he is supposed to he a rather charismatic elf.
>>92718559I am that guy, I was going off mostly from the Tyrion & Teclis novels.
>>92718457Does he really see all that much attention in straight from GW lore to begin with? Secondary sources seem to often explore characters and settings on the fringe of what GW really cares about.
>>92718578Which "he" are we talking about? If Finubar he's mostly a foot note and only appears to prep the bull for Alarielle and then fucks off back to the shadow realm.
>>92715413Fanatics are expensive on Ebay, I will just use 3d prints or some other stuff
>>92718630There are also alternatives around if you don't have access to a printer or recasts.https://miniset.net/sets/esk-mmf204500Quality is dubious, but such is life.
>>92715633I was rather disappointed by the damage they do when they break, but they do decent damage in actual melee. They're not core but I think overall I prefer squig hoppers. A bit more expensive but you get 3d6" random move, impact hits, and with cav spears the guys on top might actually do something.
>>92715871>>92716015Sheit what did I miss
How good are chaos spawn for beastmen? Don't care if they ain't A* material but I don't want to commit 500points to complete dogshit units
>>92718693Some guy(s?) posting physique.
>>92718693People posting their bodies. Lean and muscular.
>>92718695They're meh. Killing blow, or strikes first is cool, but w3 t5 5+ is relatively squishy. I don't think they're awful but there are a lot of other units in beastmen for similar points that outshine them. Dragon ogres are the most competitive, but I think I'd rather run razorgors over them as well. I think they might be better than minotaurs?
>>92718702>>92718745Nice. Always good to see that fatties seethe.
>>92718693The resident gay trying to find someone to fuck by posting his naked ass again.
>>92716811I don't think that's how it works. You can only target characters so it can't be used on normal standard bearers. If it targeted a character with a BSB that item would still be there it could just not be used. That's at least how I read it.>The casting player chooses a single magic item carried by the target. This magic item is immediately ‘unmade’, rendering it completely useless. The chosen magic item cannot be used for the remainder of the game.
>>92718778>Killing blow, or strikes first is coolTo me the option of taking Poisoned Attacks on them seems like the way to go given their potential for lots of low WS and low S attacks. >w3 t5 5+ is relatively squishyI'd beg to differ. I'd say that is quite durable in my book. >Competition from Dragon Ogres and RazorgorsThat's my main gripe with them honestly. Said two options with their reliable speed and more devastating attacks are in all likelyhood a much better pick for one model mini-monster unit and if you're after a proper regiment then Minotaurs or Dragon Ogres seem to be the way to go. Even against a big regiment of lightly armoured infantry you're going to get a much more steady dmg output from Minotaurs with shields. That being so my thinking is that Spawns are probably best in something like a unit of 2 models holding down a flank while your heavy hitters try to crush the opposite one.>>92718695As I understand things their main downfall is the random movement stopping them from being a reliable stop gap for an army that thrives on speed. Granted, with their high ld and Unbreakable they can be trusted to hold up by their lonesome on a far flank or something, which can definitely serve to deny said flank for certain threats.
>>92717101Griffons (at least in the high elf book) had 5 while Manticores (in WoC) had 4.>Arent monsters, theyre monstrous mountsThey're full monsters. The monstrous mount one is the warhawk. The Phoenixes are also full monsters.
>>92718936Found the fatty. LolPost minis.
>>92705617Advice for building my first army? Beasts specifically. I know 2000 points is considered 'complete' but that's an awful lot of money to drop all at once. What's a good mix of units for around 1000-1500 that will teach me to play, teach me what I need, and still win me a couple of games?
>>92718989>ds.>That being so my thinking is that Spawns are probably best in something like a unit of 2 models holding down a flank while your heavy hitters try to crush the opposite one.Random movement makes them kinda slow unfortunately.For the same price tag you can get two minotaurs in a Marching column and zip them around 18" a turn.
>>92719053>Advice for building my first armyUse third party. Chaos looks better the less uniform it is. Look for used armies. Make/kitbash your own miniatures. Work on them in 500 pt chunks. Get what you think looks cool, don't stress about winning a game you haven't even played.
>>92719053Check out the rules for army composition and build something that looks fun to you. There are no such thing as tutorial units every unit can be used by a new player assuming they have read the rules. If you want your army to not be bad you can try to search around online for people's opinion if there are any units too weak to be fun to use (otherwise you'll form your own opinion once you start playing and can finish your army accordingly).
>>92719126this was mostly what I was planning/getting, so cool. thanks anon. the 500 pt chunks helps.
>>92718989Killing blow and poisoned attacks are both fishing for 6's anyways, but I think the payoff for killing blow is higher than the payoff for a poisoned attack, especially with the poor armour piercing. Their strength isn't great either though.
>>92719090>Random movement makes them kinda slow unfortunatelyThat was my point. Their movement puts them in a somewhat awkward position where the best place for them seems to be to in a spot where their speed won't matter too much. Holding down a flank, especially against things that would otherwise have the option of kiting stuff out of position, seems like the one spot they would possible thrive in.
>>92719253That spawn on the right is killer. Would field even if it was complete shit.
>>92719235>Their strength isn't great either though.Nor is their WS. What makes me rate Poisoned Attacks over Killing Blow is that the latter relies on the attack getting through two calculations they're likely to struggle with whereas the former frees you from one at the point where you maximise your chances of rolling 6s while also not robbing you of their Armour Bane bonus.
>>92717582Yes, special rules a model has applying to a model functions as one would expect the game to function. Models have one save.
>>92719289Thanks. I had a fun time making my lil' penis monster.
>>92719304Don't they both rob you of armor bane?Poison doesn't roll to wound so no chance of Armor Bane.
He's back! Woo!
Have I've been a dingus and missed that the Hunter's Spear can't be used when a character (on a chariot) moves since it "shoots like a bolt thrower" which has the Move or Shoot-rule or does the specification in the following part of the sentence I quoted mean that said weapon only works like a Bolt Thrower in regards to having the Through & Through special rule? >>92719376I should perhaps have worded that better, what I meant was that Armour Bane is still in play with Poisoned Attacks for the sucessful hits that didn't roll a 6 to hit whereas it's fully negated by killing blow.
>>92719523>only works like a Bolt Thrower in regards to having the Through & Through special rule?it's this
>>92719498https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJKukx3pdWYhe was always a favorite even when I hated warhammer
>>92718134>am I allowed to just turn the base so the widest side faces the enemy?No. First measueent is front, second measurement is side.
Tell me, mortals, what’s the current state of the VC army?
>>92705617Pretty stoked gonna see about getting a 2k Corehammer game in this weekend. Rules are 2k army, Heros cant total more then 25% of your total army cost, and you can only use core units. Going to roll with 20 mauraders 20 Chaos warrios with shields and swords20 with halbards and shield15 choas warriors with great weapons9 Chaos knights 1 sorc lord on horse1 exalted sorc on foot1 aspiring champion.
>>92719498I have to admit I didn't appreciate it enough first time I saw it, my opinion on it changed when I read the designers commentary and it was contextualised in the time it was sculpted, as well as getting a paintjob and some photos that got to highlight some of the detailsit is a little jeweltruly one of the orcs of all time
>>92719730>not running 80 forsakenAre ypu even trying?
>>92719771>Are ypu even trying?of course i am, trying to have a good time running my legion of warriors into battle. Forsaken are pretty crazy looking to DESU.
>>92719017Why would I have saved images of your dick?
>>92719876Fat and no minis.Why even come here? LolAddicted to seethe like you are corn syrup?
>>92719841>Forsaken are pretty crazy looking to DESU.They are unreasonably better fpr the price.
Too many people to want to reply to, but here's a few table showing in what scenarios each poisoned vs killing blow are better. The comparison table green is Poisoned is better, red is Killing Blow is better. If you have a multiple wound infantry or cav, killing blow is better other than t6 6+ units. If killing blow doesn't work, it's better against t4 or less 2+ saves, and t3 or worse 3+ saves, and t2 4+ saves. To me, this shows Killing Blow being better against a wider variety of targets, and against harder to crack targets at that.
>>92719937Yeah they are, i was looking at thier abilities they are kind of fucking nuts, i just hate how ugly they are an i love the idea of legions/chaos warriors.
>>92719963>mathHAHA get a load of this NERDHAHA just take the models you like poindexter
>>92719937>fpr the price.19ppm is a big price tag though.
>>92720126It's chaos spawn vs chaos spawn. I don't play the army either.
>I found a group that play TOW near me>beastmen are gone from the storeI want to punch someone that works at GW
>>92720134Cheaper than chosen, arguably better, and core. They're kinda crazy.
>>92720159>buying direct
>>92720188I hope your lgs shuts down.
>>92720069>hate how ugly theyJust convert them from chaos warriors
>>92720159>>92720188>>92720201imagine giving GW money in 2024.GW needs to die, then we can keep warhammer alive in the community like mordheim has been kept alive and growing since it was OOP
>>92720236Wow maybe then eventually there will be a whole 3 dozen people split between 8th edition, TOW, 9th age, and WAP.
>>92720159>beastmen are gone from the store>just looked it up>only tzaangor left in AoSwe won
>>92719533Good to get some reassurance. Thanks broham.
>>92720188I never bought direct and never will>>92720236Sorry as long as GW will give me Gors and Ghouls I will buy them
>>92720266>a whole 3 dozen peoplegood. better than what we have now
>>92720266mordheim is bigger now than it ever was, and when bloodbowl as OOP it was also huge thanks to the community, GW isn't needed. They never have anything in stock anyway and their rules are shit.
>>92720309Can't wait for the GW sculpts I like to be selling for 300% markup.
>>92720291>Sorry as long as GW will give me x I will buy themt.
>>92720341>i ONLY buy official models>i never sneed-D print>i must think of the shareholders
>>92720231I might jsut run warriors as proxy DESU. I would not mind giving them a go because they cant take items or characters they seem like...retard proof, just run them at enemies and call it a day.
>>92720362Most my army is 3rd party. I buy GW sculpts I like, and buy 3rd party for other things.
>>92720341>Paying GW prices, let alone mark upCast off your chains beardling.
>AHHHHH NOOOOO WHY DIDNT I BUY MY MODELS FROM GAMES WORKSHOP DOT COM AT FULL MSRP PLUS SHIPPING PLUS WARHAMMER PLUS SUB PLUS TIP AHHHHHH
>>92720387Currently don't, buying from lgs generally comes with a 10-20% discount from webstore prices. If GW goes tits up though.
>>92720134>>92720168yeah at 19 points per model they are pricy but if they get into combat they can fuck things up.
>>92720402Mediocre shitposting anon, try harder.
>>92720412My lgs has 20% off and i STILL wont buy that shit. FB marketplace or other 2nd hand is cheaper if you want official models, and GW doesnt get money.If GW sold the IP tomorrow to a company that does literally nothing with it, the community will have a comp system with better rules in 2 months and there will be tons of 3rd party models to fill any gaps. Fuck GW, fuck nuGW models and fuck push fit shit
>>92719934Look who's talking.What the fuck is corn syrup? It sounds disgusting.
Rate my noob Bretonnia starting list:Baron with morning star or Fracasse - 140pts10x foot knights + command - 128pts20x peasant bowmen + command - 1175x knights errant + command - 114pts- 499ptsCurrently just for learning with my mates but would like to know if it stands a chance of doing anything.
>>92720451Take the Ebay pill. I started buying my models off of Ebay and restoring them, you can get them for cheap and with a jewelry cleaner you can get them really clean.
>>92720451DESU the problem i have with Nu GW modesl is they are WAY to fucking busy for unit model. If you take a look at say the new chosen, or new chaos warriors for example, every single one looks like what a character would have looked like, it makes painting them fucking miserable because they are all so fucking busy all the time.
>he buys models made after 2010why would anyone do this
>>92720463>Only 5 knightsNot very chivalrous.
>>92720497i dont like them because they are CADshit and have repeating models. For some fucking reason, 1 unit of 30 of the same monopose high elf looks better than 1 unit of 30 nuChaos Warriors where there is a 3:1 ratio of repeating dudes.Soul exists and nuShit doesnt have it
>>92720451Yes we get it, fatcast are ugly. The bulk of GW models for TOW are just classic sculpts though. Buying discounted from a store is the best of all worlds. It shows interest into GW to do something other than shovel out more primaris marines and stormcast. It benefits your lgs. And, it's decent prices for the amount of service GW provides if you have any issues with the product. I recently bought a wizard on horse 3rd party. It comes not on a sprue but all the bits in a blister pack. The horse's head was missing and when I contacted the vendor all they were willing to do is refund like 15%.
>>92720474this 90% of my stuff is ebay rescue, strip repair repaint
>>92720540OH i agree with that as well. i was on here bitching the other day about the new knight models. I have been buidling and painting models for like 12 years now, that is the first kit i ever put down and shoved back in teh box, i did not even finish one model because its so fucking horribly designed. >MonoposeThis is also why i fucking HATE the CAD monopose shit because every thing is exactly the same. Zoomer lover to try and joke about how "Oh your multi pose models sucked you could only move the arms a little bit lol thats not really multi pose." But dont seem to understand that the slightest change breaks up the uniformity of the model and make it seem far more organic. Like those skeletons, if you could just rotate their arms a bit it would let you break up the uniformity of it. >>92720585Yeha just a quick soak in rubbing alcohol a path in a jewelry cleaner, and BAM shits looking great.
>>92720597Strangely the issues with posing isn't universal to new shit. The tau commander kit is relatively new and is posable to a very good degree. I've heard the plastic cerastus knight kits are even better, with posable toes. But beyond not being posable, having shit like a half a leg sculpted on a horse, or one piece that"s part of a torso, arm, and leg in obnoxious for converting.
>>92720571>It benefits your lgsi can buy 3rd party perry miniatures, fireforge, at my LGS instead. That also benefits them
How bad are the mold lines for Bret and Kangz?
>>92720731That is true, and if you can, good for you. I've seen a bit of wargames atlantic stuff in store, but the only box that was relevant for any fantasy battle army was some halfling militia that I'll be using as archers. I've been to a fair few game stores in the past few years thanks to moving and seldom do they sell anything useful 3rd party. Off the top of my head I've been to 13 non GW stores, and 2 of them have sold wargame atlantic / dnd minis. 5 of them also only sold GW products as far as wargaming goes, though most of those were mainly focused on other products, like comics, books, magic the gathering, or humorously, a gun range.
>>92720757Can't speak to Bretonnians but they've been minimal for the Tomb Kings I've assembled.
Too bad I live in a country where used items cost more than mrsp as no one want to sell at a loss
>>92720821What country is that anon? I guess maybe people actually buy them if supply is scarce enough.
>>92720821Third party or invest in a printer. Alternatively: get good at sculpting.
>>92720821Don't listen to the 3d printer people. 3d printed resin is fucking miserable to work with if it ever breaks or if you want to convert anything ever.
>>92720126Thank you for your incredible contribution to the thread sneedposter. What would we do without your shitty infographic being posted for the millionth time?
>>92720945Resin is always fucking terrible to work with retard, its part of the deal when you want to work with it.
>>927210583d printer resin tends to be much more brittle, where cast resin's main issue is being warping / voids. When 3d printed resin snaps, it also often often doesn't do so in a clean break, and the break is very very smooth which makes gluing it a pain. I've done my fair share of working with recast (and also forgeworld) resin, and I've had to repair a bunch of broken 3d printed tomb guard / scorpions. I'd pick recast resin every day of the week.
>>92721040What's your mom look like zoomie? >>92720945Lol what? If you want to convert or customize just print multi part minis. If you aren't computer illiterate you can do electronic kitbashes too.
>>92718936Kek seething bitchtitted fatty
>>92719716From the batreps I've seen>cavalry sucks ass>characters suck ass>infantry is breddy good>monsters are breddy goodMeh overall unless you full-send on the horde and don't over-invest in a Timmylord on zombie dragon
>>92720757by modern standards apalling, not particularly bad for sprues of that age though, we're talking a 1-2mm of flashing around the entire parts on each sprue.
>>92720463>noble on foot>KOTR on foot instead of MaA at that points level>peasant bowmen commandIt's severely retarded, but if you like it then send it
>>92720757There are quite a few for the Bretonnians, especially the peasants. Personally I don't mind cleaning moldlines, but they are very noticeable if you don't.
>>92721262Blood Knights do have one of the better propositions for taking a large cav squad, since they're reasonably durable and gain a ton of value when revived.>>92719716They seem like cooler tomb kings. They have great tar pits, the spell to spawn new zombies seem very annoying for opponents, and they leadership bomb people very effectively. Cav are okay but not the best way to run them, and the monster mounted combat characters aren't the best out there (but still likely solid considering how good monster mounts are this edition). Taking wizards on mortis engines and casting at +6 to make your opponent's dragonlords or other bullshit melt from screaming seems incredibly cathartic to me.
Did you already put out your order anon?
>>92721262How did Timmy become an insult? It's literally the player archetype which plays to have fun with friends and brings whatever they think is cool. It's the epitome of comfy gaming.
Is there a place where I can get legit Squig models? I am collecting/not poor and want the legit models.
>>92720540>For some fucking reason, 1 unit of 30 of the same monopose high elf looks better than 1 unit of 30 nuChaos Warriors where there is a 3:1 ratio of repeating dudes.Pattern recognition, my dude. If everything looks the same then that is not a distinguishing feature within the example. However if certain traits shows up occasionally then you'll have an easier time spotting them the more they repeat within the given number of things. Since the models represent individual soldiers clones stand out unless the regiment manages to obfuscate the individual tree within the proverbial forest. This is why painting the clones differently helps a bit, which is also why you can often catch this approach when looking at background characters in paintings and cartoons etc.
>>92721484Plastic ones? Your lgsMetal ones? Marketplace/eBay
>>92721460Timmy has an association in mtg with people who just want to take big stompy things (analogous to dragons and monsters). In TOW, they are currently meta, which makes some anons very upset at monsters and people who take them.
>>92721484>legit
>>92721262What fucking batreps are you seeing?Pretty much everything in VC is good too the point where I honestly expect nerfs. Except Crypt Horrors.
>>92721484>legit Squig models?
>>92721590Shocked that skaven got nerfed in first pass but VC just can't make zombies infinitely large.
Are there any metal recasters who sell at a discount, rather than trying to pass their product off as genuine, with a price to match?
>>92721705I got some off aliexpress but it is a bit annoying to order because the guy doesn't speak english. There's also named mysterious-forgery who has a massive catalogue on Reddit, but when one of my friends tried messaging him, he didn't respond.
>>92721705>>92721761Yeah my last AliExpress offer was like less than half GW prices. Which isn't cheap but isn't bad.
Made a quick 1000 Battlebox to push against each other and demo things. O&G vs Ogres. Aside from swapping the Tyrant for a Butcher, how does it look as far as balanced against each other?O&GBlack Orc Warboss - 190Choppier Axe Night Goblin Shaman - 85L2Core15x Black Orcs - 293Full Command and Great Weapons, Red Flag, Stubborn10x Savage Orc Mob - 117Champion and Musician, Hand Weapon, Warpaint, Big Uns, Stabbas10x Boyz Mob - 102Full Command, Hand Weapon, War Banner10x Night Goblins - 90Bows, 2 FanaticsSpecial5x Boar Boyz - 120Full Command, Big Un’s, Full Upgrades997Ogres1x Tyrant - 236Mastodon Armor, Ironfist, Burning BladeCore6x Bulls - 258Full Command, Ironfists, Cannibal TotemSpecial4x Leadbelchers - 170Bellower2x Mournfangs - 150Champ and Banner, Great Weapons1x Ironblaster - 185999
First attempt sirs please help me do the needfulBlack Orc Warboss [362 pts]- Hand weapon- Cavalry spear (if appropriately mounted)- Full plate armour- General- Wyvern- Bigger- Choppier Axe- Trollhide TrousersOrc Weirdnob [370 pts]- Hand weapon- Level 4 Wizard- Wyvern- Ruby Ring of Ruin- Idol Of Gork- Waaagh! Magic++ Core Units [709 pts] ++37 Night Goblin Mob [165 pts]- Hand weapons- Shortbows- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician40 Night Goblin Mob [272 pts]- Hand weapons- Thrusting spears- Shields- Netters- 3x Fanatics- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician40 Night Goblin Mob [272 pts]- Hand weapons- Thrusting spears- Shields- Netters- 3x Fanatics- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician++ Special Units [558 pts] ++Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]Goblin Bolt Throwa [45 pts]30 Black Orc Mob [468 pts]- Hand weapons- Full plate armour- Stubborn- 30x Great weapons- Boss (champion)- Standard bearer- Musician
>>92721931You have three more night goblin units than you have night goblin heroes. >>92721884Looks good to me.
>>92721955I got the new squad with the funny exploding night gobo
>>92721931Night Goblins are 0-1 down the line per Night Goblin Boss or Shaman
Who's more based, chad Asavar Kul or virgin Archaon?
>>92721972So I need a night goblin boss for each row of gobbos?
>>92721884I'd probably say slight edge to ogres but those look like very reasonable lists to run together.
>>92716927Kek
>>92716927Probably will get clowned on for it here, but as far as Sigmar models go I like Krondspine.
>>92721458Only for 6 more stone trolls and the black ork boss.I'm on the fence about the rivers but I don't actually like them it would just be so I have a set.
>>92721458Not for that ugly fuck. Would've grabbed some trolls but my pile of shame is too big right now. Plus I can always grab recasts later.
>>92722076It's just a lot worse than the original
>>92722144it looks kino wtf do you mean?
>>92722163Was that a sigmar model or fantasy model? That paintjob sucks but he's cool too. Also, what's the lore with the incarnates? Is there going to be more than one?
>>92722177Gotta be close one of my least favorite dragons.
>>92722178Fantasy, but 8th edition. There's incarnates of each wind of magic, but they only made models for Beasts and I think Fire too? They're basically Greater Daemons of the magical wind that appear when there's enough of one particular wind of magic and it can coalesce into one being for a time.
>>92722207Neat. I guess they made the different winds of magic their own realms in Sigmar. Looking it up Ghur seems basically like beast magic.
>>92716021It means they've made the label for it, but have not yet received the item. Think of it like getting your licensed renewed. They basically just filed the paperwork, but have yet to give it to the clerk for processing.
>>92722207Yeah fire. It wasn't as good but would be interesting as a greater demon for horus heresy.I've seen the encarnate of beats used as an alternative ghorgon.
>>92722335This one never looked like a warhammer model to me, I don't know what's about it exactly
>>92712647>forgetting the Flame cannon and Grudge Thrower.
>>92718936Fatass detected >>92718693I posted two fresh pics of my glorious and beautiful Physique which were entirely relevant to the discussion at hand, and the resentful jannies (obese) recoiled at the sight
>>92720839Israel
>>92721545>exposing yourself as a MTG player Why would anyone do this voluntarily? LMAO MTG players 100% of the time have the worst Physiques in any LGS
>>92722247>Ghur seems basically like beast magicYeah it's literally called the lore of beasts
>>92717784Yeah as WHF was fleshed out he was turned in to more and more of an Ubermensch.From what I understand his progression was>Man in a position way over his head>Competent/Shrewd statesman and orator>^^^ + General>^^^^^^ + Warrior and combatant
>>92722827I think I prefer an emperor who's a shrewd politician, and delegates all the military affairs to an advisor who's specialised in that, but I understand that for a war game you want the faction leader to be playable and for him to be the toughest guy your army can field.
>>92722580That guy really brought a whole thing of Oreos to the store.
>>92722887Yeah being the only empire combat hero with a Dragon was pretty mint.
>Bought he new boars>boars have flat mounts so the work on rounds>comes with slotta basesGoddammit.
>>92720540>picI think those skele's look great on their own. For a skirmish level game they're excellent. But even without repeating models they look horrible as a ranked unit.The sway and stance they have is great for a skeleton warrior shambling through deserted streets. It looks horrible for a unit marching to battle.>>92722909Honestly that just makes me sad. The man needs help.>>92721590>I honestly expect nerfsHopefully not in to the ground. I'm not interested in taking the best of the best meta lists. I just want to field the mini's I think look cool.
>>92722580I have a few commander decks. I occasionally play to kill time with friends.
Are all inhabitants of Mousillion dead or would there be living peasants involved as well? Yjk8
>>92716303Well why is playing like it's AoS the most powerful way to play your grogshit game then????I'm very confused. Isn't this supposed to be a rank and flank game?
>>92716927Kek but also why no black women? You racist???????
>>92722486> seething (obese) jannies Lmao. Excellent.
Les Chaffeaux du Croissant fresh from the bog to trigger painting autists!
>>92723161>Well why is playing like it's AoS the most powerful way to play your grogshit game then????are ya lost zoomie?are ya seethin?are ya steamin?go back kid
>>92722909Needs a light snack. >>92723024>Hopefully not in to the groundI hope not too. I expect Wailing Dirge to get nerfed. >>92723437Now I want to see the Stillmanic wattle fence.
>>92723837At least with the legacy factions the changes can just be appended to the document. It kinda sucks having physical books that are almost accurate but not quite. I hope they don't change too much honestly.
>>92723426Interesting coping mechanism on display here
>>92723096>Are all inhabitants of Mousillion deadNo. Everyone in the CITY of Mousillon fukken died during the Affair of the False Grail, but the rest of the dukedom was fine, and the entire dukedom including the city is populated afterwards, except the ducal palace itself. Affair of the False Grail/Maldred are hundreds of years away from current Bretonnia though, but Merovech's autistic fuckery would be a fresh memory.
>>92723426The fuck. I was about to be like: >at least they have nice bases But then I noticed that they didn't even cut off or cover up the integrated bases.Also did they add sand to their paint?
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