>>31182985
become
friends
with
women

it's so simple

you will dispel your misconceptions, confirm some suspicions, and get a realistic view of women while not losing sight of the fact that you like them (as people)

plus, they will sometimes introduce you to their friends

>>31183029
I can be friends with women. However, I don't think most women want to be friends with most dudes. I think a lot of my problems stem from just overall lack of opportunities. As a man, I am unware of how to "make" my opportunities for dating or relationships or even just making friends. The friends I have have basically been my friends since highschool. I rarely make new friends as an adult because it seems next to impossible. Like what do you even say to a woman? "Hi yes I saw you from over there. I think you look cool and wanted to be friends."

>>31182985
>I am 30
Are you a virgin?

>>31182985
>(no relationship ever)
My man, you're not falling down the path, you're an incel. Wake up

>>31183061
>"Hi yes I saw you from over there. I think you look cool and wanted to be friends.
Yeah. At a bar, that basically works ~60% of the time.

If you really want to get quirky with it, say something like "oh you look nice, how are you doing?" and if she says she's not interested, say something like "oh no, i wanted advice because girl Y (across the bar) is really cute, and i don't know how to ask for her number."

Nice women are pretty receptive about "taking men under their wing," and taken women relish the opportunity to reenter the dating world through a man's eyes. It's a fantasy of sorts.

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>>31183088
Yes I am unfortunately.

>>31183097
>You are already in hell

>>31183124
Im the same as you. I had a girl at work come up to me and literally donas you described with the whole be my friend thing. I fumbled and ruined it by trying to be interesting and what I thought she would find attractive. Just do what the other anon said and be friends with women if that's an option you have, then you can learn how to have a relationship

>>31183124
Also, bite the bullet and just find an escort. Then you won't think about having sex with the women you're trying to be friends with as much

>>31182985
First off, can you articulate why you actually want a girlfriend?

Everything incels say is a lie. Take any one of their claims. Look into it deeper. You will realize it is false. This will happen to every incel claim you look into.

>>31183171
I am too stubborn. I want to have sex in a natural way. Basically, get into a mutual relationship with a woman I like and have the relationship naturally progress to that point. Paying an escort would break my spirit and cause massive despair / depression for me.

>>31183061
>However, I don't think most women want to be friends with most dudes
most people don't want to be friends with most guys because most guys suck. just how it is. not hard to be better friends than like 90% of dudes with minimal effort

>>31183182
I disagree with this. A lot of things incels say could be seen as being "generally" true. Prime example of women having a easier time finding dates and relationships. That is very likely to be generally true. Sure there are some women who are like crippled or mentally handicapped and can't have a relationship but generally, women have a easier time.

I think a lot of the incel talking points can be a bit dramatic too though. Especially the looksmaxxing stuff.

>>31183029
Not OP but I have girl friends but never talk to them like I'd talk to a girl I was interested in. You don't ask the fish how to catch them so they say.

But knowing women personally made even more of an incel. Now I know how slutty and ungrateful they are rather than just myths from the internet strangers. And because of that the myths online just add to it and ring true to me. After many years I got my childhood oneitis, it was great for awhile and then out of nowhere she cheated on me with a motorcycle asshole she'd gone back to twice before who beats her, after saying i was the best man she knew.

All 3 or 4 of my gfs throughout my 30 y/o virgin life have always started as friends, I still dont know how to "pick up chicks" from cold approach, although I can talk to them like any other person and be friendly, it just never sticks.

>>31183183
You're just afraid. Stop being a homosexual and just do it

>>31183205
How did you have 4 GFs and remain a virgin?

>>31183194
I think women can be awful friends to men sometimes. I have a easier time being a friend with a woman and I am a guy. However, I don't think I could trust a woman to like help me with something critical in a friend capacity. Or rely on her. I find that a lot of friends who are women are insanely fickle. Whereas my friends who are guys are much more reliable. I think this stems from women just tending to have an abundance of friends / options so they can afford to be fickle. Its more of a "I have so many already, who cares what happens to one." kind of way. Say way where if you had many of one kind of item. Who are cares what happens to one of those items given that you have so many already.

Whereas with guys, I think they realize each others plight "If he watches my back, I will watch his." type of way. I don't think women have that same sort of connection or feeling. That saying women don't care but fickleness is definitely higher in average women.

>>31183208
>just use cheat codes bro.
That is what that sounds like to me.

>>31183249
You think you're helping yourself but you're actually setting yourself back at this point. You're thirty and have never fucked, but are obsessed with fucking. Every woman you meet will understand this

>>31183273
I understand what you are saying. However, I wish people would realize that it is akin to telling a person dying of thirst to not want water that badly. Yes I am not having sex currently. However, for awhile sex was on most peoples mind(and it still is for healthy individuals I guess). I don't think about it all the time but is it a prime motivator? yes. For me personally, an escort wouldn't be able to help me with this because I am not after just sex. I can't bring myself to have sex with a woman I barely know. Seems odd to me.

>>31183249
And at this point it's just ego. If you manage to bag a woman, the awkward viruses won't be endearing or cute unless she has a kink for it. You missed out on young awkward virgin sex. Move on and get some experience so you can catch up. You'll still have the opportunity to lose your "sex with someone who likes you" card

>>31183289
Awkward virgin sex* not viruses

>>31183287
Ok. What you're doing isn't working and is causing immense stress on your body and mind whether you realize it or not. You could try something new or psyche yourself out keep rotting

>>31183224
It was with my 3rd gf who lasted throughout college. I'd done everything except true PIV sex. Dry humping through clothes where she came but i didnt, just hurt for me. Sucking her tits, handjobs, oral, but not true sex. So I am still technically pure.

>>31183204
That's not true. Women do not have an easier time finding relationships.

>>31183029
>while not losing sight of the fact that you like them (as people)
Fucking lol

>>31183547
Any girl 6/10 or higher has at least 30 suitors she's keeping in tow just in case, and she can go on tinder to get more and sex whenever she wants. You are right about the uggos though.

>>31183561
That is just a complete and total lie. Incels project their own desperation on the 99.99% of men who are not garbage tier like them.

>>31183606
Way more than .01% are low status, and are just barely clinging in to non inceldom with a fat and or mentally ill girlfriend. Wake up

>>31183124
You're stupid.
You don't use alcohol and drugs properly. You think it is beneath you. You think you have something to lose. Like a shy autistic virgin in the corner.

>>31183194
>>31183182

>skank opinions

>>31183479
You got rope a doped by a BPD psychopath. Best man she was ever with but didn't let you penetrate. Pffft. Man up and find an escort

>>31185090
Escorts are not real sex

>>31182985
>If they say something like "You know most women are basically drowning in dating options and relationship options right?" It sounds insanely true to me because I basically see it everyday.
Ok, but why would that make you an incel? What does that have to do with you?
> it truly seems like nothing in my life will change unless I change it. A woman isn't going to fall into my lap.
This is true, and it's also a good thing. But it sounds like you're arguing *against* incels now to me. Which is also a good thing.
>Without me doing something desperate / retarded like walking up and autistically spazzing on people with conversation,
Oh, you mean talking to people? That's not desperate/autistic/retarded, that's normal.
> I don't see my life changing if I were to do nothing.
GOOD. That's how life works, this is a good thing.
You're a perplexing case to me though OP. You've pretty much accurately figured out the way it works, and yet you still resist it.
Just downright peculiar.

>>31183547
Are women THIS delusional?

This thread proves it: incels are all angry low IQ cultists who get seething buttmad when you point out the undeniable fact that they chose to be incels.

>>31185381
incel means involuntarily celibate.

>>31183561
That in no way refutes what he said though.

>>31185381
None choses to be a ugly balding manlet anon. No one choses to be a ugly sub five male.

>>31185415
So? There are ugly balding sub-5 manlets who still have gfs, wives, and sex.
Why can't you?

>>31185100
Ok virgin

>>31185479
He's unwilling to be a betabuxx provider. It's a humiliating position to be in, and you would never understand it, so kindly STFU.

>>31183029
>become
>friends
>with
>women

how ? I don't know any.

>>31185489
Ok so just to be clear, he *is* choosing to be an incel then.
Exactly as we said.

>>31185381
How exactly did I choose to be a manlet with PTSD ?

>>31185520
He's taking the high road, and you're shaming him for it.

Shame on you.

>>31182985
>want to avoid that
So have sex

>>31185381
>chose
That would make them volcels, genius.

>>31185593
Yeah, and most "incels" ARE volcels.
That was his whole point...genius.

>>31184961
You are falling for the most easily identifiable bait ever lmao

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>>31182985
>How do I actively stop such a mindset from affecting me though?
Very simple. Spend less time on the internet around mentally ill loners and spend more time in the real world doing productive things. The more time you spend on /r9k/ the more you will become like the people who post there. It is not rocket surgery.
>I feel the incels might be right.
They are right. The problem is incels become demoralized pessimistic retards when they learn what most people know intuitively. Yes, women are adult fussy sized children. The solution to that problem is not to spend your free time and energy pissing your pants about it and posting on a korean basket weaving forum echochamber, but making yourself into a all-terrain capable man who can navigate the hellscape that is modernity without letting a bad day or unfortunate truth ruin your entire life.

There no 'clever trick' for any of this. The solution for what your asking is to lift weights, be strong and capable, don't be desperate or cynical. tl;dr be a man instead of vegetable parked in front of a screen

>>31185694
I think that too many people fell for the "love exists" meme.

Even if you do get married, it's basically 50/50 whether you'll divorce or not. And if you won't, most likely you'll be stuck in a miserable relationship you don't like.

Evolution only cares about making kids and not letting them die too fast. It doesn't care about you being in a happy relationship.

The point I'm trying to make is to change your perspective from "everyone but me is in a happy relationship (therefore if I don't have one I'm a loser)" to "a happy relationship is a luxury (therefore if I die alone that's fine, there are other things in life)"

Basically MGTOW. Women understood this 50 years ago. Men are catching up because of stronger sex drive and cultural norms.

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>>31185775
This is also extremely faggy and pessimistic, the exact sort of 105 IQ rationalizing of your misery failures and loneliness one ought to avoid. MGTOW is just sour grapes. You should be 'going your own way' regardless of how much attention you get from vaginas, not romanticizing your withdrawal as some kind of asceticism. Noting is "50/50" if you're smart enough to know what you want from a partner and capable enough to choose for yourself and you partner.

The weak suffer what they must and the strong do what they can.

>>31182985
incel is whatever
psycopathic porn addicted stormfront is not.

>>31185694
I'm 30 and have a bad body and brain so it's unironically over. That's why I spend my days endlessly posting bait and responding to bait posts, it's my only distraction

>>31186069
Kys skank

I feel down this hole in my late teens, overall staying in the incel circle for a year or two. Incels are wrong about pretty much everything. For example, incels make a mockery of the "just have confidence" argument even though confidence is likely the most, if not one of the most, attractive things to women. Looks don't matter nearly as much to women as they do to men so long as you're not overtly under/overweight, and have a decent sense of hygiene or style.

As for the part about women having more opportunity than men, this does hold true. You could argue that it's "unfair" that they have so much opportunity knocking on their door, but that's just a retarded way of thinking. If you want a girlfriend so bad, talk to women at your workplace/school wherever possible, go out with friends to clubs/other social environments, and don't be afraid of rejection. It's not hard to get a woman to catch feelings for you so long as you portray confidence, and align with them on certain things.

At the end of the day, despite whatever else you do, don't let yourself fall into the incel line of thinking. If you do, when the opportunity does come up to get closer with a woman, you will likely throw it away because of your preconceived notions towards them. What you need to understand is that the incel ideology comes from people who are chronically online, entitled, and deluded by things like pornography or otherwise base their entire personality off of fictional entertainment. The sooner you get out of that circle, the better.

>>31183029
Being friends with women mostly plummeted my opinion of them.

>>31183205
The realities I've experienced with women are worse than the worst shit I've read online. They are cosmically selfish and will walk over a dude's pride, which is effectively a dude's life. They will do shit that men have guardrails against with no hesitation or even a thought back.

>>31185694
My experiences IRL worsened my view of women for the most part

>>31186259
im a fucking dude, you cunt

shill invaded stormfront /adv/ it seems

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>>31186344
You misunderstood the point of my post. I didn't say incels are wrong. I don't really care if you have the most despicable opinions of women imaginable. The point is to not let your thoughts opinions and feelings on women, or anything really, go around rampantly ruining the rest of your life because you happen to not like women.

>>31186258
I'm not sure what the point of your reply is. >>>/r9k/ might be more your speed if you want pity. You sound like a pessimistic fag.

>>31186374
I'm too broken to self improov. I tried for a decade and failed miserbly

>>31186390
No you didn't. Don't reply to me again.

>>31186413
Your advice only applies to edge cases, not real incels

>>31186371
Ok, I didn't read past that first part. I generally don't get put off and don't assume that everyone adheres to the rule.

>>31186497
>Ok, I didn't read past that first part
really disheartening that zoomers attention span doesnt even last one sentence

>>31182985
You're a 30 year old virgin and you think you're somehow above "inceldom"?

>>31183061
>I can be friends with women
> what do you even say to a woman?
Are you a retarded child? How can you think this way?

>>31182985
Familiar with the adage "a broken clock is right twice a day"? I think that's the perspective you should hold when looking through incel rhetoric. It's undeniable that, on a base level, women do have it easier in society at so many levels. Dating, especially. Although this doesn't mean you have to trust every extreme postulated by this line of thinking, Just think, what do you gain from internalizing that no matter what, you're just fucked because you aren't a rich giga chad who's walking around with a 7-inch dick? Surely there's a healthier way of dealing with some inconvenient truths than just going down a self-destructive path.

>>31183547
Of course it is. Men are more willing (desperate) to throw themselves at women than vice versa. This is way whenever school dances come up, it's almost always dudes trying to work up the courage to ask their crush out.

>>31186320
this is the thing nobody talks about
men and women can't be friends.

>>31191220
Why do incels always lie? Males are not desperate like you are. Incels are stuck in high school mentality and never learned how to be men. You do not speak for men. You are eunuchs.

>>31191220
>school
What are you 15?

>>31191296
So much namecalling, but nothing said that debunks my claims. Whether you like it or not, a big chunk of the dating scene is defined by guys throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stick in terms of what they can do to get girls interested in them. A lot of girls simply have to be girls to get guys' attention. Sure, this might not be applicable to extreme examples. But we're talking averages here.
>>31191378
It was just one example, but if you need more, we can look at online dating too. It's been heavily documented that women receive more likes and matches than they know what to do with. While guys in comparison get jackshit unless they're lucky.

>>31191443
You have nothing but false claims. You have never been on a date, everything you know about women you learned from forums full of basement-dwelling angry virgins. Yet you think you are an expert on women and dating.

>>31183061
Think the reason why women dont want to become friends with men is because they are tired of these male "friends" hitting on them

>>31182985
Be tall and handsome. Simple as.
If you're're physically unattractive, you can either continue rotting as an incel or revolt ahai at the matriarchy

>>31191603
Most incels are tall. Most incels are also normal looking. Being an incel is 100% a choice.

>>31191605
>Most incels are tall
>Sauce: my feelings
Fuck off

>>31191603
>ahai
Against

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>>31191529
>false claims

>>31191639
>incel claims x
>posts link that shows y
>jumps through mental gymnastics that x is y
Nothing will change the fact that being an incel is a choice.

>>31191655
Wdym? The claim was that men pursue women much more than women do men. I guess you believe those messages guys are sending women on dating sites isn't related to them trying to get in a woman's pants.

>>31191671
Yet exactly the same number of men and women end up meeting on a date.

>>31191694
Source: my shit stained undies

>>31182985
Unironically stop caring too much about women and relationships and focus on things within your control, e.g. career or whatever. Don't shut yourself off from it though, just don't focus on it or fret about it as much.

Tbh the incel trajectory is extremely difficult to avoid in the current year, especially when you hear a lot of the mainstream memes about relationships like
>"just be yourself lol"
>"just have a good personality"
etc, which is just normiesplaining and survivorship bias from what is at this point in history a minority (most younger people nowadays being single). You can just reject their crap out of hand, it's as biased and unrealistic as the most extreme blackpilled incel ideations.

The game of relationships is completely out of whack, so the best thing to do is to just let go of the slightest expectation of success and focus on other shit. Let go even of the idea that there *should* be an expectation of success in relationships. That just leads you into frustration and incel thinking. Nothing sadder than seeing incels on youtube with nothing else to talk about except how messed up women and dating are.

tldr: let go and let God

>>31186300
You can't be confident if you're ugly and unpopular.

>>31192130
The point is that without the prospespect of a woman/family you basically lose much of the motivation needed to be a wagie. I can comfortably live leeching off my relatives and then doing some odd job for 3 weeks every now and then. Sure, I could get full time work with my degree, but why? I have no use for the money anyways since I'm on my own.

>>31182985
Have problem, stop giving a shit. Find fulfillment through non relationship factors that give you a sense of productivity.
>>31183029
This is a good way of becoming a backup either romantic or friendship backup.

>>31191220
>a date for the school dance is the same as a relationship!
It says a lot about your mindstate (or your age) that the school dance is even on your mind as a point of reference to begin with.

>>31192130
This. You just gotta learn to accept the loneliness. Pretty much every average guy in the west is an incel, in a sense we are not alone in that.

I believe the incels have a point, and to deny what they say is to deny objective reality. However I reject it's conclusions. I'm not gonna become some bitter little bitch or hate women over it.

>>31186300
>For example, incels make a mockery of the "just have confidence" argument
They mock it because they both don't understand it and don't have it. And the idea that they could (and should) have it makes them lash out.

>>31192178
Number one, you could though.
Secondly, it's not like there's not things you can do to improve your looks and popularity anyway, even if we assumed your statement was correct. However, you'll still need the confidence to even try, and you clearly don't have it.

>>31192206
>The point is that without the prospespect of a woman/family you basically lose much of the motivation needed to be a wagie
Grow up. Society only cares that you do it, not that you're "motivated" to do it.
If you can't get a gf or get your dick wet on your own time, that's your problem. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't have to work, you should work whether you're an incel or a chad or anything in between and if you don't, you should starve to death.
I notice an awful lot of overlap among the different breeds of loser on this board and the labels are often conveniently used as justification for the others. IE "it's ok if I'm a NEET because I'm also an incel so I'm owed a life of lazy luxury at least". Fuck off, no one owes you shit.

>>31192315
Productive life goals outside of the traditional marriage and kids are fulfilling if you give time to them.

>>31182985
You don't get a say in the matter. If women collectively decide you are an incel then you don't have the right to say you aren't.

>>31192327
I agree, but these guys don't have them either.

>>31192285
> it's not like there's not things you can do to improve your looks and popularity anyway

You absolutely don't get it, do you? There's a very good reason why there's a strong link between inceldom and high intelligence, because intelligent people actually need a reason to be confident. If all the girls are going to judge me for is my looks, then how exactly am I supposed to be confident in the presence of chads?

>>31192348
>because intelligent people actually need a reason to be confident.
Way to dismantle your own argument. If you were as intelligent as you think you are (spoiler alert: you're not) you would have a good reason to have more confidence, right there.
>If all the girls are going to judge me for is my looks,
It's not though, and you clearly don't know anything about women if you think it is. It's PART of it, sure. But there are ugly-ass dudes out there with women. Guys uglier than you.
>then how exactly am I supposed to be confident in the presence of chads?
You're supposed to use that intelligence you claim you have, and figure out that you're supposed to make yourself more attractive and become a chad yourself.
There's things you can do anon. You can lift, you can dress better, you can present yourself better. I seriously doubt you're a deformed midget like every incel here "just happens" to claim to be.

>>31192348
>There's a very good reason why there's a strong link between inceldom and high intelligence
Then why are so many incels on this board complete retards?
Are you saying that here we're getting the scraps even of just the scraps?

>>31192348
That is the lowest IQ, most desperate incel cope I have seen today. There is a 100% high correlation between low intelligence and inceldom. All incels have low intelligence. Nobody can dispute this fact. If their intelligence were not bottom of the barrel tier they would figure out how to get women.

>>31192369
>Way to dismantle your own argument. If you were as intelligent as you think you are (spoiler alert: you're not) you would have a good reason to have more confidence, right there

But I'm confident when it comes to my work, hobbies and stuff I'm knowledgeable about. Your level of confidence depends on your proficiency with the said thing - seeing as I never got a date in my life, then pray tell me, why should I be confident about my ability to attract women?

>It's not though, and you clearly don't know anything about women if you think it is. It's PART of it, sure. But there are ugly-ass dudes out there with women. Guys uglier than you.

Yes, they also judge you for your confidence, which I explained to you is what I rightfully lack when it comes to women. Dumb people are always confident, since they're dumb and don't actually think about what they're doing, which is why they're able to date even if ugly and generally breed more.

>You're supposed to use that intelligence you claim you have, and figure out that you're supposed to make yourself more attractive and become a chad yourself.
There's things you can do anon. You can lift, you can dress better, you can present yourself better. I seriously doubt you're a deformed midget like every incel here "just happens" to claim to be.

All the things I could do, I did. Like I said, I have absolutely no reason to be confident when it comes to dating women, my life experience has proven this. Much less have the overly confident douchebag attitude that Chad has.

>>31192407
Makes me think it's you that's the dumb one. The popular trope of "virgin" nerds vs "chad" jocks is popular for a reason.

>>31192375
They're not retards, they're just very sick in the head.

>>31192429
>seeing as I never got a date in my life, then pray tell me, why should I be confident about my ability to attract women?
Have you ever TRIED to get a date in your life? How many women have you asked out?

>>31192434
>The popular trope of "virgin" nerds vs "chad" jocks is popular for a reason.
Fuck your "le popular trope", there are plenty of retarded incels (as this board proves) as well as smart chads out there.
Your worldview seems to be entirely through the lens of 80s teen movies, which I might add were made by seething neurotic jews who lashing out against the chads they couldn't compete with. Hey...that sounds familiar!
>Much less have the overly confident douchebag attitude that Chad has.
And my point is proven. Look anon, I'm sorry Chad pushed you into a locker or stole your lunch money, but high school was a long time ago (uh...wasn't it?). It's time to move on.

>>31192429
You are not confident with women because your intelligence is so low you cannot figure out how to be confident with women.

>>31192434
Popular around low IQ incels yes. Not adults who have an IQ of above 80. It is a fact that every incel without exception has low intelligence, as this thread clearly has shown.

>>31192468
Incels are stuck in high school mentality because they have never had a job or talked to people or left the basement.

>>31182985
Calling people "incels" is just cope. "Individuals denied access to female holes" is the politically corre term. Access to their holes is womens only currency and their only value. Denying access to said holes is their only leverage. Said something that they don't like? Access denied, you're an incel. So you see, being an "incel" could simply just mean being objectively correct about something that makes hole-havers uncomfortable or look bad, or any number of things. If you've never been denied access to holes then you've never stood up to institutionalized sexism and female power. Not all individuals denied access to holes are right, but if someone has been denied access to holes, it's at least worth hearing them out instead of being a tool of female power and denying them access to holes on their behalf.

>>31182985
>Maybe I am wrong though. Maybe most women aren't really crawling with dating opportunities. I don't know what is the actual true.
you're mostly right tho.
If you replaced "dating options" with "sex options" you'd be 100% correct.
Getting actually meaningful relationships is still somewhat challenging for women, especially if you want to avoid the fckboys who just want your poon for a while and leave when they get bored.

However even for below average looking women nothing is easier than getting sex.
a 4/10 could go to any busy pedestrian zone in a city with an appointment book, scream:
>"who wants to have sex with me?!" "totally free, no strings attached. Please enter your appointment date on the calendar"
and even if she's somewhat selective and only allows guys roughly in her age group that are her looksmatch or above so (4+/10 in this case) she'll be booked for every single day for the rest of the year within just a few hours.
It just doesn't work like that for men.
if a 4/10 guy did the same, not only will he probably not find a single lady his age group and looksmatch or above to agree with his propositon, he's lucky if he doesn't get arrested for public disturbance or some shit.


most of the advice ITT is however correct too, don't try to force it, don't downward spiral into depression, just try to be friendly approacheable and talk to women even without any ulterior motive, focus on your own shit instead of trying to make your life about getting laid, and chances are at some point it'll just happen naturally.

I'm a 32 year old gay virgin with a house and 6 figure career

>>31192512
And who is denying incels access to female holes? Answers: incels themselves and nobody else.

>>31192468
>Have you ever TRIED to get a date in your life? How many women have you asked out?

Funny you think I even got to that part. Most women would just straight up not talk to me unless I forced them to by approaching them (they would avoid me from then on) or they wanted my help, for which they would usually "thank" me with ridicule.

>Fuck your "le popular trope", there are plenty of retarded incels (as this board proves) as well as smart chads out there. Your worldview seems to be entirely through the lens of 80s teen movies, which I might add were made by seething neurotic jews who lashing out against the chads they couldn't compete with. Hey...that sounds familiar!

So are you saying it's not true? That programmers are just as popular with women as footballers are? Really? As for the "smart chads" that's entirely false too. Chad is a guy who parties, fucks, does sports and boasts about it. He doesn't read books or contemplate what's happening around him.

>>31192468

>... which I might add were made by seething neurotic jews who lashing out against the chads they couldn't compete with. Hey...that sounds familiar!

I'm honestly really curious about you. You act like a self-proclaimed chad, but if that were true why would you care about jews? You wouldn't even know about them. So either you're a larping loser no different from me, or you actually are doing well with women, in which case I can't fathom why you even care about politics, since you should be thriving.

>>31192642
So you have never asked a girl out?

>>31192642
Programmers are possibly more popular than footballers. You seem to have the mindset of a 15 year old.

>>31192706
What a shit bait.

>>31192701
Like I said, I could harldy even get girls to talk to me in a way that wasn't forced or predatory on their part.

>>31192722
So you have never once in your life done anything, not a single thing, that could get you a girl. Hmmm, I wonder why you do not have a girlfriend?

>>31192713
I know many programmers. Most have a wife/gf. Those who don't, have no problem getting girls if they are so inclined.

>>31192737
Yeah, I suppose just going from one girl to another and asking them out 5 secs into our conversation would get me a gf in no time. Kys retard. Like I said it's not for the lack of trying, the girls simply weren't interested in talking with me, so I quit trying to woo them.

>>31192642
You're so obsessed with this imaginary "Chad" that it almost looks like a projection of your own homosexual lust.

>>31192744
Yeah, at 30+ it gets easy to date single mother roasties who want betabux.

>>31192751
>it's not for the lack of trying
You just quite literally said you have never once in your life tried. It sounds like you do not want a girlfriend and are just angrily lying about it.

>>31192755

I think you're projecting something here yourself. Not a mention of anything homoerotic in any of the posts, yet there you are.

>>31192762
Are you 15 years old? You have zero clue of what life is like for people in their 30s. It's obvious you have never had a job and have never had any social interaction as an adult.

>>31192777
>Chaaaaad
>Big muscular Chaaaad
>The high school football captain Chaaaad
>My dream man Chaaaaaad

>>31192782
Can you say anything else other then accuse me of being 15 years old? No, I am not, Yes I did have a job.

>>31182985
You're destined to fall down the path of inceldom if you keep coming back to this niche of the internet. The more you socialize with incels, the more they will rub off on you subconsciously. this board in particular is chock full of incels seeking validation and a space to vent their frustration. this thread is a good example of men displacing their frustration and anger onto other anons, desperately fighting to validate their misery.
/thread

>>31192789
That's your thoughts mate, not mine.

>>31192799
But what other alternative do you have? Outside only old people are willing to talk, and even that is getting rare as they die off.

>>31192792
You sure are acting like a retarded teenager. Regurgitating every incel falsehood in order to give yourself an excuse to not try.

>>31192838
You just got everything handed to you on a silver platter and can't even imagine what's its like. That's why you faggots never given any advice beyond the "join a club bro"

>>31192809
well, i cant give you a straight solution. i can only tell you that this place will feed into the headspace that you are saying you don't want to fall into. im not too sure where to socialize other than typical places, like pubs, job, classes, or clubs. usually if there's alcohol there, things go smoother in my own experience.

>>31192850
>You just got everything handed to you on a silver platter
That is a very wild assumption. And very wrong. It's also incredibly rude and entitled of you.

>>31192895
Yeah, that's what I thought. This place might suck, but it's still better than having no interaction with people at all.

>>31192918
So why don't you explain how you got your shit together?

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>>31192926
oh it is so over for you

>>31192945
The usual way? Studied hard, worked hard. Socialized. Made friends. Never stopped improving. Learned to observe what my faults are and how to do something about them.

>>31192962
Quite literally everything you described doesn't work and would get you exactly nowhere if you didn't get things on a silver platter. See, that shit might've worked 60 years ago, but these days studying hard just brands you a nerd - weird guy who does homeworks while his classmates party and fuck. Not once in my life have I ever been rewarded for being smart, because being smart isn't valued anymore. Working hard is another meme, you don't get anywhere by working hard. The one who gets promoted is the one who's most popular with the manager or related to him. When I work hard, most people just think start giving me even more work to do and never consider any reward.

>>31193025
>nothing you described works because they go against my incel beliefs
Ok then, how did I end up becoming successful then?

>>31183029
FPBP

>>31193025
Dude you're not smart. Far from it. You actually sound quite retarded.

>>31193052
You're either an oldfuck, or like I already said, you got everything handed to you.

>>31193057
I wouldn't be having these issues if I was a retard. Exactly 0 stupid people I know are struggling with women.

>>31193072
I am an oldfag, I definitely had nothing handed to me. Strange how you make all these wrong assumptions about me.

>>31193097
>Exactly 0 stupid people I know are struggling with women.
I am replying to one right now.

>>31193103
So you're an oldfag, things worked differently for you. With that attitude, you would be an incel these days.

>>31192500
I have an IQ of 110 and I'm an incel because I have no social intelligence.

>>31193123
>With that attitude, you would be an incel these days.
What made you come to that conclusion? It's completely wrong. I would never choose to become an incel. I would never think of asociating with those angry entitled low IQ losers.

>>31193160
So why have you not done something about it?

>>31192642
>Most women would just straight up not talk to me
My friend, I have absolutely zero doubt of that.
Where we disagree is that you don't seem to think that is your fault.
>As for the "smart chads" that's entirely false too. Chad is a guy who parties, fucks, does sports and boasts about it. He doesn't read books or contemplate what's happening around him.
Cope more buddy. I for one do all the above, except the boasting part. I don't need to boast to people, who I am and what I do speaks for itself.
>I'm honestly really curious about you. You act like a self-proclaimed chad, but if that were true why would you care about jews? You wouldn't even know about them.
Ah, now we're getting to the juicy stuff. Why do you think I somehow wouldn't know about jews if I'm good looking or successful, or if women like me? What would that change?
You do realize don't you that if you're out and out stating that only coping losers care about jews or politics in general, that that weakens your whole stance on those matters and you're telling your opposition exactly what they want to hear and giving them material to use against you, right?
(No, of course you don't. This goes back to what we were talking about earlier about incels being retarded.)
>you actually are doing well with women, in which case I can't fathom why you even care about politics, since you should be thriving.
What does me doing well with women have to do anything that we think jews have done? Am I supposed to be cool with the subversion of western society because I have a pretty gf or something?
Again, what you're really telling me here is that YOU don't actually care about any of this, and that you wouldn't care about anything bigger than yourself if you were actually getting your pathetic dick wet.
That tells me any opinions you may have on politics, jews, world affairs, etc can be ignored because they're all COPE. Your stances aren't even really your own, you just need something to do and lash out about.

>>31192751
>Yeah, I suppose just going from one girl to another and asking them out 5 secs into our conversation would get me a gf in no time
No one has ever, nor will ever told you to do that.
If you had really been "trying" with women this whole time you wouldn't be in the position where you needed to spam cold approach to begin with. You would actually already know some women and have good rapport/relations with them, and you could ask out and date women from THAT pool.
Again: incels are retarded.

>>31193025
>Not once in my life have I ever been rewarded for being smart
Yeah, there's a very good reason for that.
Because you're not smart. You're a fucking imbecile.

>>31193097
>Exactly 0 stupid people I know are struggling with women.
Funny enough, this response just further illustrates why you're a retard.

>>31193779
Never met a woman that had single friends

>>31193806
So? How about a woman who is single herself? Why does she need to have single friends?

>>31193882
If she’s single herself she will avoid me or tell me she has a bf.
People here say to make female friends so you have a social circle and they will pair you with their single friends.

>>31193333
Because no one helped me when I was young, I just got bullied and further isolated and lost all desire to try. I am innately inferior at socializing so don't try to tell me to pull myself up by my bootstraps you stupid boomer.

>>31194132
Not really. It's not so much that they'll pair you with their friends, but that they won't stop you from going after them if they approve of you.
You still have to do your own dirty work. Stop being so passive and expecting someone else to do everything for you.

>>31194202
I’ve been trying since I was 13 fuck you

>>31194251
>I've been trying since I was 13
>I've never asked a girl out because I've never gotten that far
Pick one and only one.
It's like if I said I was "trying" to drive by just sitting in a car with no keys and without actually turning it on.
Sure, my wish/intention might be to drive it but I'm obviously not "trying" very hard in this scenario.

>>31193764
>You do realize don't you that if you're out and out stating that only coping losers care about jews or politics in general

"Coping losers" are really just an opressed class. Why an opressed class of fighting age males should be interested in breaking the status quo and usurping power for themselves is obvious. But why a supposed Chad would be interested in breaking the very system that grants him his status and everything he has? That just proves you're stupid, or like I said, larping as someone you're not.

>That tells me any opinions you may have on politics, jews, world affairs, etc can be ignored because they're all COPE. Your stances aren't even really your own, you just need something to do and lash out about.

Funnily enough, I think it's the opposite way around. Whatever you think of jews is just your shitty opinions, it has no substance because it's not backed by irl suffering. You might bitch and moan about Bidenomics, but at the end of the day you're still living the high life and could be doing much worse. That's why you will never do shit, just like the boomers.

>>31194291
I cold approach and asked out a lot of women. I asked out all the pretty ones at work they all gave excuses like having a bf.

>>31193779
I told you man, I tried talking to girls as much as I could, but they would always stare at me like retards and make me carry the whole conversation myself. Then on the next day when I saw them, they would avoid me and not even say "Hi". More than once I've literally had a girl just walk away without saying anything when I checked my phone.

>>31194297
>But why a supposed Chad would be interested in breaking the very system that grants him his status and everything he has?
That's just it, "Chad" wasn't granted his status by someone else, he earned it. Chad is living in the same corrupt world you are, and still did ok.

>>31194314
>I asked out all the pretty ones at work
What about the ugly ones? Are YOU pretty yourself OP?
I thought you guys claimed you'd just be happy with your "looksmatch".

>>31194319
That's because they obviously weren't interested in talking to you.
I said it before and you still don't get it, we AGREE on that part, 100%. I'm just saying that that's your fault. You have to have or do something to make them interested. They're not gonna just hand their interest out like candy.

>>31194416
I am looksmatching n**ger, I’ve been told by guys im a 6/10 so I go for 6/10 white women but recently talked to a 4/10 trashy woman that found a paying to buy her anything she wants and it makes me feel like I have no chance with my looksmatched women.

>>31194291
>>31194416
You don't understand, Chad was given a driver's license at birth. He never had to learn how to drive. For an incel, it is impossible to learn how to drive because of his genetics.

>>31194433
So why did that 4/10 choose another guy over you?

>>31194433
>I’ve been told by guys im a 6/10
Who cares what GUYS say you faggot. What do women think? That's your rating.
Also we can say nigger here, nigger.

>>31194416
>That's just it, "Chad" wasn't granted his status by someone else, he earned it

But that's exactly what's false. Chads didn't earn shit, they haven't proven their courage or capability to get their status. They just have the right factual structure thats popular nowedays, act like self-centered pricks and follow every popular trend to make themselves attractive to women. If being "Chad" shifted more towards the meaning it had in past you might find yourself outdone by guys who're ugly but have balls of steel.

>>31194429
> I'm just saying that that's your fault

They're just retarded and will rather fuck bears.

>>31194474
Let's not talk about "courage" and "balls of steel" when you're afraid to ask out a woman anon.

>>31194494
I'm not afraid, I'm just not going to ask out girls who won't even say fucking "Hi" to me. I would absolutely try my shot with a woman that seemed at least willing to talk to me like a human being.

>>31194518
>I would ask a woman out...IF I had a higher chance of success!
Look out, we've got a real warrior here.

>>31194542
Yeah, mock me for doing the reasonable thing you nigger. It's why far-right will never get anything done. Instead of being helpful, the more established men are just shitting on the less lucky ones. I honestly don't care anymore, if you're a sex-haver then you deserve to be shot.

>>31194571
>Instead of being helpful
And what help that I've been giving you are you willing to take?
So far every time I advise you to do X, Y, and Z you'll just counter with "women don't have to" or "chad didn't earn it" or "but it's hard/impossible" or my personal favorite, "my problem is I'm just too smart which is why I've said so much stupid shit in this thread".

>>31194672
You didn't really offer any advice, you just told me I'm a retard and should ask women out. End of story. Not a word on meeting women and making them attracted to me.

>>31194688
>Not a word on meeting women and making them attracted to me.
I've said it umpteen times, in this and other threads. But I'll re-iterate anyway.

>meeting women
-talk to people
-make friends
-build/maintain a social circle
-go places where single women are

>making them attracted to me
-lift
-groom/dress better
-actually be charming and cool and not a lame awkward faggot

>>31194706
And I got all that, the issue is that people just aren't interested in talking to me. I got nothing to do and college is free here, so I applied for some fancy course despite being older and got selected within the first 5 of over 3k applicants. Will be living in dorms too, so hopefully I end up with some friends then. The issue is that I've already went through it once and it got me exactly nowhere, since the chads and girls would avoid me like plague the moment they learned I didn't bring any friends with me, have no gf and don't use social medias. After that, it was only fellow incels who I could talk to, so I rather just quit studying altogether.

>>31194735
If people are actively avoiding you, you're still not (effectively) following that last point.
People avoid lame and awkward people, they actively gravitate towards cool charming people. Not everyone is going to like everyone of course, but if you're not putting that best foot forward you're only hurting your chances.

>>31194761
>People avoid lame and awkward people, they actively gravitate towards cool charming people.

My theory is that it's mostly a zoomer thing, when they're intimidated/weirded out by me looking out of place. I've been mentally comparing myself to my peers and it's objectively true that I look different. I dress in simple clothes for utility and don't wear any fashion accesories like rings/piercings/necklaces/tattoos whatever. I almost never use my phone and rather observe people around me and during lectures I've always been the only one with a genuine interest in the subject and would actually contribute with my own ideas.

I've actually had some luck appearing "charismatic" with boomers and milfs and would generally end up selected for any job interview I showed up for. But the moment I get close to a young zoomette, I can quite literally feel just how uncomfortable I'm making her.

>>31194862
>I dress in simple clothes for utility and don't wear any fashion accesories like rings/piercings/necklaces/tattoos whatever. I almost never use my phone and rather observe people around me and during lectures I've always been the only one with a genuine interest in the subject and would actually contribute with my own ideas.
There's actually nothing wrong with any of this and, besides that I have a few tattoos, you and I actually don't sound that different here, believe it or not.
>I've actually had some luck appearing "charismatic" with boomers and milfs and would generally end up selected for any job interview I showed up for. But the moment I get close to a young zoomette, I can quite literally feel just how uncomfortable I'm making her.
Your theory actually isn't totally wrong. The sad truth is that zoomers as a whole are one of the most socially akward/uncharismatic generations ever. Blame growing up with their face in a screen I guess. That being said, if a zoomette (or any woman) is clearly uncomfortable around you that's probably your cue to back off.
I have to ask at this point, how old are you exactly? And if these zoomer girls are so dreadful to deal with for you, why bother? Why not go for someone a bit older who you'll actually get along and have more in common with?

>>31194450
because he is spending thousands of dollars on her a month and we both make the same salary so obviously I can't afford that plus I don't want to spend money on human trash.

>>31194460
because you asked me if I'm pretty too>>31194416
>Are YOU pretty yourself OP?
I'm not OP but you asked me

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>>31183029
this

>>31183554
>>31186320
>fucking lol, we hate women
Retards, being an incel who hates women is life on easy mode, because it immediately logically follows (if you pull your head out of your ass) that
> "if you genuinely hate women, you wouldn't even want to date them and no longer need to try"
Which is insanely liberating, because shit like "just be volcel, you don't actually even like them", or "if you're bi or gay, just fuck men" or "just fuck an escort, retard," become immediate complete solutions.

You would only feel otherwise if either you don't actually hate women, because you're still at least a little holding out hopes for their love, or you're just reflexively reacting in retaliation like a child saying "fuck you too, women!!!", which is just coping and seething about being bad at wooing them. In either case, you should nut up and figure out how to play the game or quit whining.

>>31185492
>how do I make friends with women
Start by making friends with men. Women quickly find their way into the life of a man with friends.
>inb4 how
Pic related, Do lots of shit in your city and talk to people around you until you find kindred spirits you want to spend more time with, it worked in elementary school, you just need to be talking to a lot of people a lot of times.
>inb4 it didn't
then you were and are socially retarded. Don't know how to fix a social retard.

>>31194924
Or have you maybe considered that he is not an insufferable asshole autist like you, and actually likable enough that girls are interested in him?

>>31194735
Your issue is that you're an entitled piece of shit. Throughout this whole thread the only thing you have said is "I'm perfect, nothing is wrong with me, it's everyone else's fault". You lack the courage and intelligence to look inwards and think, hey maybe there is something I could improve about myself.

>>31194911
>That being said, if a zoomette (or any woman) is clearly uncomfortable around you that's probably your cue to back off.

Yeah, but I had to learn it somehow since. And it's exactly why I didn't press on and asked them out. One girl I tried to befriend, a rather small and petite autist - which I assumed to be my looksmatch, turned out to be a turbo feminist who would be somewhat okay talking to me while others were around, but would get really uncomfortable and awkward the moment I approached her elsewhere. I later figured out she was scared I was going to rape her or something, So next I tried going for more normal girls, who didn't appear too "bookish" - literally ended up making one girl switch the subject for something else after talking to her just once. I tried talking to bunch of different girls after that and of all of them, only got a single pajeeta smile at me once, the rest would ignore me on the next day like we were strangers. Barely any women at work.

>I have to ask at this point, how old are you exactly? And if these zoomer girls are so dreadful to deal with for you, why bother?

I'm 22, soon to turn 23. I've had sex with bunch of fitness milfs before and while yeah, cooming was fine and all, I would really rather want to actually date a girl who's my age, since I always got the "WTF I'm doing" feeling as I left their apartment and saw 14yo boys going out with their gfs and holding hands whilst I smelled like an old woman's pussy.

>>31195035
she told me the guy is in his 40's and she just likes the money.
been ran through by tons of people, has nasty hair, body covered in tatts, has septum and lip piercings.

>>31195048
I'm not perfect, never said so. What exactly is your point anyways? I'm not looking to fundraise 10 billions for intersteller flight project, I just want a gf. There shouldn't be any rocket science involved.

>just get a better personality
Chad doesn't need a better personality for some reason. He can be an asshole and people won't care, he gets girls so obviously he has a good personality
>just looksmaxx bro
I did, but it's too early to say if it's working or not.
>just talk to people bro
where? I live in a town where the only things to do are for old people and little kids. >>31194933 pic doesn't work for me. I'm too broke to afford a train and I can't drive.
>just talk to girls at your college bro
I did, and I always either got looked at as a weirdo or was given one word answers. I tried to carry the conversation and nothing happened.
>bro the blackpill is bullshit bro
https://youtu.be/YG1hH0Sh1Pw
https://youtu.be/O6qWiQ3piUk
seems fairly open & shut to me
What I want to see is people actually disprove the studies that back up the blackpill because if you're actually a sub 5, you see it and you just know that it's true from your own experience.
>bro you're not entitled to a gf bro
I AM entitled to a gf. I AM entitled to happiness. I want to be happy, I want to start a family. It's as simple as that. I am entitled to affection.

>>31195158
Mate, I'm an incel too, but Wheat Waffles is literally sick in the head.

>>31195254
how? his videos do a pretty good job at laying down the blackpill in my opinion, and he's got a gf so it's not like he's some loser rotting in his childhood bedroom, he's actually leveraged it.

>>31195281
Nah, he's just another "buy an ad" faggot who's quite literally leeching off our misery. The guy literally charges money to rate your face from 1-10, you can't make this shit up. He tells incels stuff they want to hear while filling them with a false sense of community so that he can jew them off and live the high life with his gf.

>>31195330
yeah I guess you're right, but I still like his blackpill proof videos. Him being a grifter doesn't really invalidate the evidence itself

>>31195373
It does, he actually makes mockery of what should otherwise be a serious issue. Take the second video you linked for example, it's just some fake tiktok drama shit like everything else on tiktok. Instead of depressing incels further with fake tiktoks, he should give them useful advice instead - like learn how to shoot, fight and be dangerous. You might not beat the Chad with your looks, but beating him to death one day and taking what he has is still within your grasp. It's only a matter of time before Great Incel Army is formed and you don't want to miss out on that because you're too fat and useless.

>>31195158
>Chad
>Chad
>Chad
>I was born this way I can't change
>It's everyone else's fault

>>31195522
people are born with advantages and disadvantages in literally every part of their lives, I don't see how it's different in dating. Someone who was born into a wealthy family for example would have an easier time accumulating wealth than someone who was born into a working class family. The same thing applies to dating, if you were born attractive, you will have an infinitely easier time dating than if you weren't. How is that hard to grasp?
>>31195416
>You might not beat the Chad with your looks, but beating him to death one day and taking what he has is still within your grasp. It's only a matter of time before Great Incel Army is formed and you don't want to miss out on that
you're mental

>>31195548
Why have you never once in your life asked a girl out on a date? Men who started way worse off than you ever did, that had everything against them, still manage to get girlfriends and wives.

>>31195684
I've spent my entire life being mocked by women. I'm still pretty young, I'm 18, so it's all still fresh in my mind, I still see the girls that did it at my college all the time. These girls would chase me around the school yelling my name and then giggle when I responded. They would ask me out as a joke to mock me. They would say that looking at me made them feel sick straight to my face. They got people to dump water on me for no reason at all. If I ever asked them a question about school work, they wouldn't answer politely, or answer at all. They would just look at me funny. Why would I put myself out there if I know what the response is going to be? The funny thing is that I never did anything to prompt it.
>but bro life isnt like high school bro
it's only unlike high school in the sense that people learn what subtlety and politeness are. The people that would've outright bullied me back then would now just give me weird looks or make offhand comments.
I've tried dating apps and I either got matches that would never reply, or got matches that then called me ugly.
You could say that I never really asked a girl out on a date, but that's not because I didn't try, it's because women that would acknowledge that I'm human are rare.

>>31194761
How am I supposed to learn how to be charming when I'm uncharming by default and have no one to teach me anything in person? It's like blaming an African bushnigger for not being able to learn quantum field theory with the resources he has on hand.

>>31195843
the fact is that cool and charming average looking people don't exist. to be cool and charming you need to be attractive. Betabuxxers don't count

>>31195850
Louis CK is fat and mid looking but he probably pulled hundreds of girls before being famous because he's funny as fuck.

Get limblengthening surgery for as inches possible and lose body fat. You'll be walking weird but millions of legs will figuratively open to you.

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>>31195871
https://www.ranker.com/list/young-louis-ck-pictures/cari-fortier
>mid looking but he probably pulled hundreds of girls before being famous
yeah bro... he was mid looking back then... totally

>>31183561
>Any girl 6/10 or higher has at least 30 suitors she's keeping in tow just in case,
Are you being serious? What women do you know who are like this? Ffs youre like the radfem who screeches about all men being rapists

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>>31195158
>>where? I live in a town where the only things to do are for old people and little kids. pic doesn't work for me. I'm too broke to afford a train and I can't drive.
I like that you have this answer ready, because you've correctly found two major issues if that's true.

It suggests two good starting steps to breaking out of inceldom for you might be
>go figure out how you're going to make some more money so you can move somewhere less shitty that has more people and more things happening, so you actually have opportunities to meet people you have access to
or
>Go figure out how to drive or how you're gonna get access to a car you can use where you currently are, so you're not at the mercy of the train system.
Since if you already know the problem, and understand it to be the problem, you can OODA loop against it and it'll start to change the context within which you're fighting to a more favorable one.

>>31195993
>>Go figure out how to drive or how you're gonna get access to a car you can use where you currently are, so you're not at the mercy of the train system.
at some point, yeah obviously. But my hopes aren't high man, if it's dead at the college in my town, I doubt it'll be any different in the cities nearby.

>>31196055
Don't underestimate the power of bigger population, night life and activities in a town are SUPER-multiplicative..

In the US, a hypermassive city like New York, NY has essentially INFINITE things one can do and infinite places you can go. A smaller but still big city like San Jose, CA has some but WAY fewer, but still enough to keep someone quite busy. A tiny place like Plano TX might have a local bar or strip club or two, but otherwise is essentially dead at night, and a rural place like Peoria IL is dead as a doornail after dark.

The flip-side of the coin you can exploit is even the difference between a smallish and slightly bigger city is an OUTSIZED improvement in dating/stuff to do availability. If you're in the boonies, leaving and going somewhere with all the people is probably the easiest way you can massively improve your dating and social life, especially if the one you've got already sucks.

>>31195893
Most girls would say he looks like a creep in that photo.

>>31196126
I feel like I've read this exact post on here before
like the exact same text

>>31191694
The number of single men is much higher than single women.
https://time.com/6104105/more-single-men-than-women/

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>>31196203
There's no new advice under the sun, and if you've been around for a hot minute, /adv/ isn't that big.

Like half the OPs are all the same handful of people reposting their same weekly thread about how they wanna fuck Asian prostitutes, or some 29 year old who wants to fuck 16 year olds across an age gap where that's legal who wants to have the same age of consent argument for the 30th time, or another "I feel like le surpreme gentlemen was right, how could he have turned things around?", or another "I can't socialize in the middle of nowhere - why don't you move - I'm poor - why don't you become less poor - I'm stupid" thread.

It shouldn't be that surprising that the people replying are also basically the same people most of the time and that therefore most of the threads are basically infinite loops of each other, always and forever. Pretty much if the thread isn't some weird esoteric oddly specific question that 4 people, tops are gonna reply to, you're just doing the argumentative equivalent of watching reruns hanging out on /adv/

>>31196393
sucks being diet r9k I guess

>>31195548
>The same thing applies to dating, if you were born attractive, you will have an infinitely easier time dating than if you weren't. How is that hard to grasp?
No one said otherwise. Why does it have to be easy though? You don't need easy, you just need possible.
And as the abundance of guys who are equally or more unattractive to you and still have a woman shows, it is definitely possible.
>you're mental
Now on this we can agree, that poster is peak mental illness.

>>31195843
>How am I supposed to learn how to be charming when I'm uncharming by default and have no one to teach me anything in person?
So? No one taught me either and I still learned. Do you have no initiative?
It's true people often learn by copying what's around them, but if no one is actually around you you can still learn. This might be cliched advice here, but you could always look up Charisma on Command on youtube. Has pretty good breakdowns using examples from tv and movies.
>b-but those are fictional characters!
I know someone will cope with this but may I remind you in advance that those fictional characters still had their lines written by a real person. Meaning it's clearly possible to come up with this stuff as a real person too, because someone already did.

>>31196675
>Do you have no initiative?
Do you not realize the sort of people you're talking to? These guys would rather read up on how futile their existence is, rather than spending that same energy accomplishing something.

>>31196251
Men call themselves single when they have a fwb. Women call themselves in a relationship. Understand the difference. It's easier than ever to get sex, so why would men bother with a committed relationship.

>>31198446
It's extremely common for people to be dating multiple people
I'd say drop that person if you get that feeling because it's probably true

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>>31183547
tw: tranny

When I was a guy, I used dating apps. I was not ugly, maybe like a 6 max. I would have around one match and 10~ likes at any given time. It could have been worse and is worse for many men.

I transitioned and started presenting as female, and I had 1.2k likes in about two weeks and 35 matches with me being pretty picky. I bet I would have even more if I just said I was AFAB instead of trans on my profile.

I would not say I am any more attractive as a woman than as a man, and yet I have gotten ORDERS of magnitude more attention that I would have gotten in an entire lifetime living as a guy.

Not only is it not true that women don't have it easier with relationships, but it is also so untrue it is genuinely baffling how anyone could think otherwise. This isn't just anecdotal though.

According to Pew Research, 54% of women have said they felt overwhelmed by the attention they receive on dating apps, while only 25% of men say the same. On the other hand, 64% of men have said that they have felt insecure about the lack of attention they receive, while 40% of women said the same. They also showed that men are more excited about the people they meet, and women are more likely to be disappointed.

It's really clear as day. The average woman has an easier time finding relationships and gets more attention from the opposite sex than the average man will get in their lifetimes.

>>31199315
>attention, likes online and swipes are the same as real relationships!
Not surprised a deeply mentally ill man who thinks he's a woman would conflate the two.

>>31199337
Someone didn't read the trigger warning. Calm down, buddy :)

79% of people under 30 have used apps like Tinder, and the most common way people get into relationships is through dating apps. Thought this was common knowledge, but I guess I expected too much.

So, let's use that noggin of yours and think!

Most people who are dating meet through dating apps.

Women have an infinitely easier time on dating apps.

Therefore, it follows that women have an easier time finding partners. You can also see this in the rates of single men to single women. In people 18-29, 51% of men are single compared to 32% of women.

These are all well-known and well-researched statistics. You would think a transphobe would be more redpilled on dating statistics, but guess I was wrong :D

>>31199427
>Therefore, it follows that women have an easier time finding partners
Except it doesn't. Do you really think that getting a like or a swipe, or even meeting someone off the app, is going to be a guaranteed direct link to a successful relationship? It's not.
>transphobe
No one is "afraid" of you, but if it's statistics you like, here's one for you: go 41% yourself and don't reply to me again.

>>31199427
Men will say they are single while women will say they are in a relationship when they are fwb's. Not something a crossdresser like you would understand. Your entire identity is defined by your fetish.

I hate incels so much

Especially on 4chan where they think their fucked up worldview is somehow the truth

>>31199535
What's a worldview on 4chan that they believe in?

>>31199582
That nothing is their fault, their life was over before it started, that there is nothing they can do to fix themselves.

>>31199582
what >>31199614 said, and also unironically believing that "women" (whatever the fuck that means to them, they seem to only be talking about the 2 sluts in a 50 people highschool class) are out against them specifically.

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>>31199444
Wrong again. I was never talking about "successful" relationships (whatever you define that as), only ease of finding a partner. You can say "nuh uh" all you want but it doesn't make you right.

I also never said there's a guaranteed direct link to perfect relationships, but if you can't put together that getting more likes leads to more matches, which leads to more relationships than you are quite possibly disabled.

Let me put it in terms you can understand. The numbers game! You like games, right buddy? The idea is that dating in general is a matter of numbers and probability. Eventually, through sheer probability, you will be successful if you try long enough.

Let's say for the sake of the argument that the chance of a guy getting into a relationship with any given woman is 1%. Now let's say that the chance of a woman getting into a relationship with any given man is 2%.

Are you saying that the 1% extra chance of success over time produces the same results?

P.S. if you want to talk about suicide stats then how about you join the 80% of suicides that are men? :3

>>31199521
How about you back that up with a source senator? Tell me where you heard that then we can talk.

If it makes you feel better to think all trannies are fetishists then fine by me, but then I will gladly generalize you too. There's a reason women would rather be with a wild bear than you :)

>>31199620
Incels are stuck in high school mentality. They think in terms of football captains and popular girls. They don't understand the world of adults and how different it is from high school.

Just be fun and pushy without morals

>>31199711
they got turned down once in middle school and have a chip on their shoulder for the rest of their lives.

They want to be told that it isn't their fault so badly that they relinquish any accountability. For how much they bitch about women and accountability, they seem to suffer from the same problems.

>>31199711
The world is basically a high school with open classes. People have a hierarchy

>>31199776
Once you leave high school and enter the adult world you will see how wrong you were.

>>31199809
I left high school many years ago

>>31199813
Physically.

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>>31183029
Heterosexual single men with any degree of self-worth cannot be "just friends" with women

>>31183029
This, i just go do fun shit with women and then get laid. OP is overthinking this shit.

Bro, just go and hang out with women, it's not that difficult. I've said some really fucking retarded shit and have spazzed out so many times and still got to fuck. I guess they like my autism lmao

>>31203089
Where do I hangout with women? What do I do when I hangout with them?

>>31203093
Just invite them to go play pool or something. I started chatting with this girl on tinder and then went to play pool together, had some fun at the pool tables and then we went to her place. I've met other girls from raves, exchanged instagrams, and then just asked if they wanna hang out. You just have to learn to have fun, i go out and act the same way i do with other people, just a bit more flirty.

>>31203156
I’ve chatted up girls before and then when I try to make a move they tell me they have a boyfriend/girlfriend

>>31182985
This is how I think: It's not women's fault that I'm a weird insecure fuck with zero self confidence. I did that to myself. You dug a hole now you gotta climb out of it. God knows I'm trying.

>>31203205
How many girls you've talked to in total? Don't think of it as making a move, just be like "Hey, there's this cool place i wanna go to, wanna come with me?" or some shit like that, the same way you would ask your friends to hang out. Just keep trying bro and don't make your goal to just get laid, just go with the flow, and try to get to know them as a person, let them become open and comfortable with you. And if it doesn't work out, fuck it, who cares.

>>31203271
Too many, too many. I have been trying since I was 13. Nothing sounds fun to me anymore besides my idea of sex, sucking toes. Never going to happen if gutter trash is having older men spoil them. I will never be able to compete with blacks I am too white looking and I will never compete with the rich because I make a normal salary of $50k.

>>31203336
There probably are some women who are into the same shit you are, just a lot more difficult to find. Just live a bit bro, life is more than sucking on some toes. Do you have friends? Maybe they want to do something together and usually friend groups have girls in there aswell, just go out, touch some grass and hopefully soon you’ll touch some titties aswell, don’t overthink it too much and don’t fall for victim mentality that all girls are after rich or black guys, that’s bs.

>>31183029
im friends with women and its exactly why I think this way
they keep making the same mistakes and think the same shit about the same dudes when its completely obvious whats going on, they ask me about them, I tell them, they don't want to hear it and don't believe it and then get burned and tell me I was right
yeah no shit

so fucking glad I am not interested in any of them or it would drive me mad to see this happen, genuinely the more I know women the more I hate them and less interested I am in them as people rather than just being holes to fuck and then tell to fuck off.

>>31203437
I have one friend and they are done with women, they are blackpilled too and want to watch everything burn. I just wanted to experience sucking on white woman toes before I end it.

>>31203336
>I have been trying since I was 13.
You keep saying this. It's not true. It's a complete and total lie. You have never once in your life tried.

>>31205254
I have been trying they always reject me

>>31205254
Oh god, not this gigaautist again

>>31205690
You have never once asked a girl out.

>>31205746
I do ask women out. Best I ever had was last year a girl agreed and never showed up. Ignored my phone calls too.

genuine advice here, your best bet to avoid inceldom is to just find other things in your life to fulfill you. Fixating your life on needing a relationship or sex is only going to make you bitter and resentful, and no woman wants to date a guy who's bitter about her existence.

Try fishing. Hunting. Get into brewing beer or some shit. idk maybe even pottery or birdwatching. get outside and do something that makes you feel alive that's not gooning in ur room

>>31205946
Don’t care, need to suck young white adult female toes before I kill myself

>>31205946
>How do I do X?
>Genuine advice: here's how you do anything EXCEPT X
Epic Reddit moment

>>31182985
>Avoiding inceldom?
maybe it's just me but the term doesn't make a lot of sense to me
its probably mostly used by angry feminists at this point to appear somewhat normal while being a misandrist