>women now think they are safer with bears>men think they can beat up a bear>bears refuse to acknowledge the issuewhat the hell is going on in the bear world?
pow!
I could beat up at least some bears
>>4788688No one ever answers the species of bear Or the duration of time they are in the forest. They say if I have to ask those things I am sexist. I would much rather spend a few pleasant hours bonding with a backbear than even the nicest man. Perhaps it is a panda and functionally useless unless I disturb it and I just get to wander around the woods until help arrives or something. Would not take a male grizz or female with cubs. Unsure of the stamina of a polar bear depending on type of forest, but I would play it safe and chill with a dude for a while. I don’t think he would try anything as I am also a dude and only a small minority of mentally deranged folk are homos, and out of those I could kill 100 percent hand to hand>pic rel, grizzly after I choose to hang out with a guy instead. No hard feelings, I just know he struggles with anger management
>>4788725oh no bearchuds our response…???
>>4788988nerve gas?
>>4789311Nut shot
>"I feel safer around a bear than a man">Go to the gay bar on bear night>Not a single woman in sightReally makes you think.
>>4788688
Bears don't deserve all this drama.
>>4789325you can hear the Moscow theme song
>>4789324I wish modern bears at least tried to look good like this nowadays instead of going and running with the "bear prepping for hibernation" look.
>>4788988>right in the bear necessities
Left completely to their own devices, women are fucking crazy.
>mfw
>>4788770>polar bearwill fucking kill you no matter what will hunt you to the ends of the earth
It's just a dumb meme on Twitter that is basically an invitation for feminists to say men are awful. Who cares. Hypothetical questions aren't useful.
>women get eaten by bears>simps get eaten by bears>bears get free food>I stay comfy at homehow does anyone lose from this situation?
>>4788688>bears refuse to acknowledge the issue
I'm so glad tiktok was banned so we won't have any more of these endless pointless political debates that are always psyoped
>>4789435Yeah that’s why I said no to the polar bear. However if it was In a rainforest, I have no idea how long one would last before heat exhaustion sets in
>>4789324I don’t get what you’re insinuating at all
>>4789325Ah yes, the average Russian past time. Bears have such a close symbiotic relationship with the wild common Russian that they will assist them in even leisurely activities such as working out
>>4789326maybe they’re smarter than we give them credit for…
>>4789410is there anything that isn’t the subject of ‘erotica’ at this point
>>4789950
>>4789998I mean, yeah. Correct.
>>4789998Nah I saw his mom on pornhub
>>4790074you don’t know what erotica is retard
>>>/mu/121753613>>>/mu/121753613
our response?
>>4791726why are white women this way?
>>4791726Context?
>>4791747>americans>white>>4791781bitter femcels crying about men via topic #xpolarised internet leads to nuance and sensibility being lost, and that's what you're seeing there, a smug group of people congratulating each other for displaying inane tribalism.
>>4791726>Look at the avatars>realize every single one of them is at least 280
>>4789467So adorably naive. Shitty psyoped social politics will be a thing for as long as the rich are in power. Which they always will because they are rich.
>>4788770>Black bearMost likely to run away from you, can be scared away with loud noises if they come too close, might stick around if you have food or they're curious, generally a non threat>Brown bearMight run, might try to fight/eat you if they're in a bad mood or especially hungry, if they do try and eat you you're pretty much fucked>Polar bearWill see you as prey, you're dead unless they're already full >Panda bearTied with sun bears in terms of least likely to kill you, will never want to eat you, would only attack in self defense, will probably just run away from you >Sun bearOne of the smallest types of bear, seldom eats meat, has big claws but they're mostly used for climbing, just wants to eat their bugs and be left aloneEven if you get a totally random species of bear your chances aren't terrible, just hope you don't get a polar bear pretty much
>>4791726What response? They're correct.
>>4792826bro, people have really shit opinions of pandas thanks to those chinese zoos with funny playful cute pandas, but they are still bears and can (and had) killed people in the past, I remember like in the 70's or 80's some guy went into a panda enclosure and lost an arm, they are strong as fuck and will fuck you up.
>>4792826I thought sloth bears were likely to kill you too, just because that type of aggression is their response to confronting predators like tigers.
>>4792873>What response? They're correct.
>>4792826Can’t you survive grizzlies by playing dead? It’s a toss up whether or not it’ll still eat you though
>Yeah bro, I could totally take on a bear
>>4792897People definitely underestimate how easily a panda could kill you due in part to their crazy 1300 newton canine bite force, but they still seem pretty placid. I've seen documentaries where they film completely wild pandas close up and it just ignores them. Also I can't find evidence of a single instance of a panda killing someone. But obviously, they're also probably the least likely wild bear for someone to be around.
>>4793076What happened to him is the worst thing a bear can do to a human. Men can, and have, done objectively worse things than that.Bear. Every time.
>>4793141Anyone remember that thread a while back where some retards insisted that they could survive a bear attack in a full suit of armour? I wonder if any of them would be willing to actually test it out.
>>4793330I’d actually be curious about that myself now that you mention it. Not *if* they would survive, but how long they could survive. It would obviously depend on the ‘armor’ in question as well. Full European plate armor is just about the best bet for a prolonged death, nobody is lasting more than a few minutes, or even seconds, in say Sengoku era Samurai armor or something
>>4793141my dad says he can!
>>4792908Sloth bears are extremely dangerous because they are so aggressive
>>4793164that crew experimented what pigeons feel every day
>>4791726Worst thing bear can do is crush me under her massive girth
>>4792826Asiatic black bears, sloth bears and some of the brown bear subspecies would definitely be worse than a polar bear>>4792908Sloth bears are by far the worst. There’s only ever been one man eating bear and it was a brown bear who killed 9 people, on the other hand there was a sloth bear who killed 12 just because it happened to run into someone and it didn’t even eat them
>>4793384Man, stfu. I would trade my life for one of a pigeon if I was given the chance. All they do is pooping and eat crumbs and grass all day.
>>4793576You just described 90 percent of herbivores
>>4793411wtf anon
how do you survive a polar bear attack? it's not in the guide
>>4789410This doesn't compare to the deranged fetish material for men we both know exist on this site.Both sexes clearly have a bottomless capacity for deviancy
>>4789949ALL life is smarter than what modern whites and modern western civilisation gives LIFE credit forYou have to remember the modern West is the most artficial race and civilisation that has ever existed in human history with 90%+ of its entire population living in dense urban settlements (i.e. suburbs and cities), and century after century being further and further detached from nature and reality.Scientists and whites are so weak, low testosterone, spend the majority of their lives and existences indoors and in cities. This entire society is completely artificial and understands nothing. Cave men from 40,000 BCE had a more fundamental understanding on reality than modern westerners; who are all vaccinated, sub-human, domesticated, barely sentient cattle
4793630>mad ESL turdworlder copedidn’t ask
>>4793630Whites are responsible for the vast majority of our knowledge on the natural world so, no. Just because current civilization is in shambles doesn’t mean it was always like that. Ever heard of Darwin? Linnaeus? Aquinas? Galileo?
>>4793623>file name you can fight back with both and usually win in that instance
>>4793328>What happened to him is the worst thing a bear can do to a human. Men can, and have, done objectively worse things than that.>Bear. Every tim-ACK
Ask yourself would you rather meet a black bear or a black man. Now you understand the women.
>>4793664>Ask yourself would you rather meet a black bear or a black man. Now you understand the wom-ACK
>>4793623I've always heard>if it's white, say goodnightWhich seems accurate.
>>4793661That's what the bear did to Tim too, to be fair. And his GF.
>>4793664
>>4793730well… this is awkward…
>>4793661Wait, she managed to call her mom while being eaten by a bear? That’s actually kind of impressive
>>4788688People on social media are retarded
>>4793768>Let me explain how we bears eat. First, we don't need to kill our live prey in order to start eating...
>>4793766What is awkward?
>>4793774suddenly im having second thoughts about living in the woodlands…
>>4793776Post more please :)
>>4793776not fair, Magpies can be trained to do that, niggas don't.
>>4793776The domestication of Homo Niggerus has failed
>>4789946Friendly Russian outpost soldiers also enjoy feeding and petting Polar bears. :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1p5uVeYF6k
>>4791726This is why that faggot Herzog should have released the Treadwell tapes. Wouldn't be much debate after they heard that shit.
>>4793630the retvrn to subsistence agriculture bit doesn't really work when you're likely as effeminate and decadent as the whitoids you can't control yourself from ranting about
>>4794139Not really; they’re into true crime stories nowadays and have probably heard the snippet of audio clip from the Toolbox Killers trial. Would still debate whether or not being killed by a bear is better.
Women just want the BBC (big bear cock)
>>4789325Bear is actually freaking out because he's afraid his fren will get liver damage from the punches, but there is a lack of linguistic cognitive skills to communicate effectively, and thus shaking the tree is him trying to get the two to stop as best as he can. The lack isn't on the bear's side, btw.
It's just women being cunty, try not to get worked up about it. They know it's not a scenario they're ever really going to run into so they're just gonna say whatever sounds the most self righteous.Stop engaging it on social media, and if anyone brings it up IRL to you, point out that it's a really shitty thing to ask and that comparing half the world's population to literal forest animals is rude. Just don't take the bait.
>>4794360a surprisingly reasonable take from here
>in case of a human vs bear war, women will join the bear side it's good to know who are the real enemies.
>>4788688Saw some brown bears at Yellowstone State Park in the last couple days. Man they are really amazing to watch in real life. Saw a mother and her two cubs by a stream in a river valley. The mother was eating a bison carcass while one of her cubs was trying to catch birds. She eventually called him back. What was weird was that there was a raven just chilling by the mother bear, waiting its turn to eat I guess the bird knew it could get away from the cubs and that the mother would be distractedAlso everyone on here should go to Yellowstone it really is a once in a lifetime experience.
>>4794654Fuck that, nigga, that place is bear country.
>>4794139Treadwell, moar liek DEADwell amirite?
>>4794654Eh I don't like looking at chinese people that much
>>4789950This book is actual historic piece of Canadiana
>>4791726It's simple. We kill the bears
>>4789950it's not erotica though.
>>4788770No one ever says the species of man either, the colour is important
>>4788770With bears it's the opposite of men>White, good nightPolar bears will actually actively prey on humans (in contrast to the usual "I've already mauled, you no point in wasting a meal)
>>4794654How do you avoid getting mauled though>>4794838lol>>4794899Then that’s a really misleading cover
>>4794654fuck off bear! we know Yellowstone bears are smarter than the average bear and there's no way you are taking our picnic baskets.
>>4794899It absolutely is, she goes into great detail about fondling the bear's balls.
Ohnono.. bearbros, our response?
>>4794345shut up idot
>>4794125This is how life is meant to be lived
>>4795825based. the more incels that get voluntarily timothy treadwelled the better.
>>4795825What a helpful guy :)
>>4795838I mean, if it’s not that it’s getting stabbed/shot for cash
It's funny that people use Treadwell of an example that bears are dangerous when he spent the accumulated time of about 8 and a half years in the closest proximity you can get to bears before finally getting killed.It's like shark hysteria all over again. 99.9% of the time a bear has no interest in eating you.
>>4795959Isn’t there a theory that the bears were honestly just completely dumbfounded at what the fuck Treadwell was doing? They don’t exactly have people going up to them every day
>>4795825edgy boi huh
>>4795959And most women live their entire lives around men without being killed
>>47960771 in 4 woman has been sexually assaulted or harassed.
>>4796079>moving the goalpost
>>4796073First time on polchan?
>>4796182this is /an/, looks like you got lost and you need to go back
>>4796079>1 in 4 women has been hit on by a man they were not attracted toWhats it like when you remove this scenario and stop counting an unwanted arm/shoulder touch (that was only unwanted because he wasnt hot enough and would not have been called assault if he had a stronger jawline) as “sexual assault”
>>4796470>this is /an/yes, not reddit/twitter, seems like you need directions back yourself
>>4794995And the Bible goes into great detail about black dick and how they ejaculate, also Jesus was sent only for the Jews. So it's rather clear you're argument is invalid.
>>4796801Medication - pronto.
>>4796801i think you got your porn mixed up with the bible
>>4796822>>4796820
>>4796828>he was actually talking about animalsGet help
>>4796850Still Erotica, Moshe.
>>4796091What goalpost? I'd rather be killed than raped.>>4796477Incel cope. Again, I'd rather be killed than raped. Haven't yet heard of any bears that raped anyone.
>>4793330Explain your reasoning. How does the bear get around the armour?
>>4796885It doesn't have to dumbfuck its weight will squeeze your meat out from in-between the cracks of your armour like chunky toothpaste.
>>4796878who is moshe, your boyfriend?
>>4795959what about polar bears? how many nonlethal encounters do people have with them?
>>4796910Are you trying to date me, Moshe?
>>4796887Wrong answer, now you have to suffer my spergout. Medieval plate is far stronger than you're willing to accept. It was built to withstand much more concentrated force than what a bear can muster and do it over and over. It won't be crushed. The armour's weaknesses are that it can't stop all of the shock from passing through and that some parts of the suit need to be thin for mobility and are thus vulnerable to sharp points. Armored soldiers encountering each-another would typically bludgeon each-other until one of them collapsed from bruising, concussion, fractures, internal organ damage, or simply running out of steam. Men got buried, suits got passed down and refitted. Even early guns had a hard time staving in knightly armour, it took a while for the arms race to make anti-musket chestplates too heavy and expensive for mass-issue.
>>4796941The bear doesn't have anything like a pollaxe, a halberd, a gun, or a sword. It lacks finesse or the ability to concentrate its power, but the bigger varieties (Grizzly and upwards) do have considerable advantages in proportional strength and in overall weight and will overcome their comparative inefficiency with brute force. It's not going to win by crushing the armour, its best strategy for winning is by beating, grappling, shaking the armored man to concuss him and damage his organs with the whiplash. Alternatively, it might use its mass to pin the man and try to pry the plates off with its jaws, potentially finding purchase in the armpits and groin area where there are no plates to hide the retention straps under.Bear in mind that historically people didn't use armour to hunt bears at all. Russians had spears with points designed to penetrate to a limited depth, and they'd brace these spears on the ground so that the bigger bears like Kodiaks were held back while they bled out. In Bulgaria where the bears are only about four times the weight of humans, the traditional method of hunting was to stick a leather-gloved hand straight into the bear's mouth and stab it to death with a knife. Grizzlies are about twice the mass of those bears but tempered and fluted steel is vastly superior to hardened leather and the human has a slim chance of winning (not just surviving) by counter-intuitively forcing his own forearm into the bear's throat.
>>4796914too many actually, they have realized that humans = garbage, so they are now getting used to be around people and that's dangerous for both humans and bears, you see, now it's more likely a bear to get killed by a human than the other way around.
>>4789949They might just be smarter than the average bear
>>4796967you're not dealing with the average bear anymore.
>>4796971
>>4796942>>4796941They don't need any of the shit you're coping about. Once they put all their weight on you, and they will, you're dead. Bears jump on things they want to open. You are paste inside your costume.
>>4796477You're right, the number is probably far higher due to the amount of rape that goes completely unreported. The number is probably closer to 1 in 2 on average, thanks anon.
>>4788770You're missing the point. It's not about the specifics of what kind of bear or how likely the bear is to kill you or whatever. Instead of asking these dumb gotcha questions, men should be asking why women feel so unsafe in the first place -- or better yet, they should start finally listening
>>4796879>Incel cope. Again, I'd rather be killed than rapedwhat, why? I'd much rather be raped
>>4797011cuz ur a man shes a woman
>>4797010It’s not a gotcha question. It genuinely matters to me. As others said in the thread, species of bear and species of human matter while not in this debate.And don’t lecture me on safety, or listening. Men are just as likely to. Commit suicide, get mugged, shot and killed. As you are to get raped. Also you are forgetting you are living in the absolute safest time period ever. The only way to get any safer is remove all minorities from the general population. Frankly I don’t care about your problems. And you frankly don’t care about mine. Just drop the prentending act like your trying to raise awareness and rather admit you want to be the center of attention. Because that’s all saying stupid shit like that gets you. Hopefully something more important happens in your life so you don’t spend your time insulting my post about bear species on an animal board. >tldr. I’ve listened to your stupid point and deem it to stupid to care about.
>>4796878You know what you were trying to imply and it was false. You’re the Jew here if anything
>>4796941> Medieval plate is far stronger than you're willing to accept.“Medieval” literally spans centuries, dude. Full armor plate varied greatly in quality across time. 1100s plate? I don’t see it. 1500s plate? Yeah, I could see a bear struggling with that
>>4797010>or better yet, they should start finally listeningListening about what? You’re just issuing vague statements yourself and throwing your hands in the air like you made a point
>>4796079Imagine if this statistic included convicted sexual assaults. Watch this number drop significantly.Accusation is not enough to make it true. And a lot of "reported" sexual assaults are circumstantial. >Ugly guy touched me on the armThe intent here is not included. If his intent was to be physically flirtatious, and you rebuffed him, and he immediately stopped, it's not sexual assault.>Women are too afraid to talk about it- bullshit - even if this true, that is a failure of our justice system and not every other male's faultWhat is the source of this 1 in 4 statistic?And who has independently verified it?
>>4796079oh please, we have not
>>4794139Releasing that audio would just make women want to have sex with bears.
>>4797017>n-nuh it actually matters to me>Incel nothing talk>>4797057What's vague? A bear is a better choice than a man to be alone in the woods with. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.>>4797063Because even known rapists get off easy and it's common knowledge how underreported rape is. This is elementary-level stuff.
>>4797173It's all that interests you, scrotes. Pathetic existence.
>>4794139Listen to the toolbox killers tape. The bear is better.
>>4797173This.
>>4797177>What's vague? A bear is a better choice than a man to be alone in the woods with. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.As a thought experiment about the violence men as a sex perpetrate against women as a sex, I get it, it's a good conversation starter. As an actual literal scenario, it's retarded.>>4797192You know that men are far more likely to be murdered than women, right? I've never really gotten the appeal of true crime beyond the first season of the Serial Podcast, it's kind of fucked up to consume the murder of others as entertainment.
>>4797201I agree, men who are offended that women would choose the bear should stop trying to make it into a literal scenario. It ruins the point and is retarded.>You know that men are far more likely to be murdered than women, right? There are far worse things that can happen to you than murder. Even so, we should be just as ready to choose the bear as women are. Men are inherently evil creatures.
>>4797177>Known rapists The only people that get off easily for rape are women with underage men (statutory rape).
>There are far worse things that can happen to you than murder. Even so, we should be just as ready to choose the bear as women are. Men are inherently evil creatures.Preach, sista, preach. https://www.shine.cn/feature/art-culture/1709113495/
>>4794830>Tastewellftfy
>>4797204>Men are inherently evil creatures.Bait, but I'll answer anyways.Men aren't inherently evil at all, the vast majority of guys are just normal people. However, men (regardless of race or stature) are certainly more comfortable with violence (or the threat of violence) in general and using it against other people, men or women, to get their way. But that's the kind of thing that a society can train out of young men with minimal issue. But you have to acknowledge the propensity in the first place.
>>4797208Shit bait.>>4797214Image taken from some artist on Instagram but it applies here.You're right, I was mostly exaggerating for effect, but it really isn't as simple as 'most men are normal' because what even is 'normal' when it comes to men's positions and stances when it comes to rape culture? Which average are we going off? Because we'd all love to think that most men are on the far left of this graph but I think we're all painfully aware that that simply isn't the case.It's not just a case of educating young men to not be rapists, the very system we live in encourages this behaviour.
>>4797063# of convictions is never going to even approach the # of sex crimes>bullshitHow is it bullshit? There's been scandal after scandal of how even when women DID report and got a rape kit done, the kits sat untested for years, thousands and thousands of them. Many women are actively turned away even if they go to report, as well. Also, does this board really need a reminder that you can't trust cops and that cops as a demographic are wife beaters/assaulters themselves?Also, it isn't about "fault." If I can't trust the justice system I need to modify my behavior to account for that and be a lot more cautious. A funny thing to note about men being more likely to be victims of murder or non sexual assault is that....the perpetrators are of course overwhelming men.Saying women shouldn't be especially concerned about this or that it's not a gender issue is kind of like arguing that because negroes are by far the most likely victim of other negroes, black on white crime isn't something whites should be concerned about and isn't a racial issue. It's really retarded
>>4797063i've been in 5 serious relationships. 4 of them said the girl said they were molested when they were young by people close to them (family members, babysitters, etc). they were all relatively normal and didn't have mental issues so you'd never know on the surface that this happened to them. all also knew other women that were also molested when young as well.this shit happens much more than you think. this is where incels completely lose the narrative. they think because it doesn't happen to them that it's not a problem. and saying something like "jUsT gO tO tHe PoLiCe" isn't that simple either. it's pretty fucking difficult to do something when the man that molested you was your uncle who is wealthy, very well-liked in the family, your parents brushed it off as "oh he's just a friendly man he meant nothing by it", and you then spend most of your adolescence being miserable and doing drugs and thinking about killing yourself multiple times (happened to one of my aforementioned exes).
>>4797216Tag yourself, I'm 3rd from right.
>>4797216Every man itt is further right on this graph than they think.
>>4796989Trampling actually killed a lot of people in ancient warfare whether they had armour or not and the bear's stomping will kill, but slowly, and actually the moment the bear lifts its weight from the man it gives him a chance to roll away, sit up, or kick the bear depending on if or how he's pinned. It's not going to be as easy as you say unless the bear has the good sense to knock the man onto his front and straddle him before attacking.You need to give up this mental image of an unarmed knight fighting a bear looking like a tin of beans being stomped on because it's not accurate. Go browse rekt threads on /gif/ for a bit, get some context for what car impacts actually do to the human body, how the flying corpses remain in remarkably few pieces. You need the reminder of how tough animals (inc. humans) really are. Bones and tendons are hardy enough already and with armour too the bear's not going to be able to flatten a torso without difficulty. There's a reason humans universally settled on stabbing as the best way to kill each-other and then developed armour to frustrate that strategy; Every other strategy is slow and difficult.>>4797054I was thinking 1500s yes. I know the older stuff wasn't the best but the quality peaked very high at the end.>>4797281Every time you post I shift further.
>4796989>not 4796988Well that's it then. There's no recovering from this blunder. The argument is lost.
>>4797216Top:The divide between normal men and actual sexual predators who rape/molest peopleBottom is more likeWomen: OK, BUT, OK, MY BODY MY CHOICE, I NEVER ASKED FOR YOU, YOU ARE FUCKING HIDEOUS IT SCARES ME AND CREEPS ME OUT AND YOU TOUCHED ME THAT IS RAPE, IF I WANTED YOUR HAND ANYWHERE NEAR MY ARM I WOULD AHVE ASKED CREEP, AND THAT GUY LAST WEEK, SAID HE DROVE A WRX STI, BUT IT WAS A REGULAR WRX, AND THATS NOT WHY I HAD SEX WITH HIM, SO HE RAPED ME, AND THAT GUY STARE RAPED ME, AND THAT GUY OVER THERE IS A PREDATOR BECAUSE HE LOOKED AT MY ASS. RESPECT *CLAP* WOMEN *CLAP* ALL *CLAP* WOMEN *CLAP* ARE *CLAP* QUEENS! MEN ARE SO FUCKING EVIL
>>4797177>What’s vague?>doesn’t actually answer the question expected I guess >>4797189>scrotesthis isn’t CC sis you must have gotten lost on the way there
>>4797277based Kit Kat putting foids in their place im prob in the middle
>>4797312It’s ok I still like you>>4797318Trvke just dropped………………………..
>>4797318correct.women unironically believe that an unattractive man asking them out is unacceptable sexual harassmentits an unironic, truthful, fact, and you can prove it by hiring two men on opposite ends of the attractiveness scale to ask women out in the same fashion. dirty pick up line, lightly touch them but nowhere near the tits/ass/crotch/thighs, ask them out. in that exact order, to the letter.the 10/10 man will be well received, get her number, and set up a date.the 1/10 man will be arrested and defamed for sexual assault. immediately. no excuses. all of society, led by a bitchy jewish cunt, will tell him "YOU! CANT! DO! THAT!"the sliding scale of "predators" is actually the looks scale. that's all it is. you can see it daily. women do not believe you have the right to initiate if they do not want to fuck you. period! if they want to fuck you, actual rape is just surprise consensual sex. this, too, happens daily in bars. drunk men push around drunk women and when they see his contact photo the next day 10/10 = they are coming back for more. 8/10 and under = they have been raped. this is such a soul crushing arrangement that the rise of it PERFECTLY corresponds with the start of the mass shooting era. the total loss of purpose and acceptance destroys the sanity of its victim.roasties will seethe and cry incel virgin uggo fatty (that's all they understand besides hunk chad hottie stud) but its the factfemale vanity and promiscuity has systematically dismantled society.if women are giving mating choice, it is not compatible with an organized, progressive society. it's the same arrangement found in primitive groups of animals where the male who is not high up on the totem pole is punished with beatings/death for attempting to mate. we only have society because we took away a lot of sexual choice from both sexes and made marriage more about business than pleasure, arranged by the parents.
>>4797307>Every time you post I shift further.jej
>>4794360This. It's a question made to start a fight. Women answer from a pure emotional perspective, and men always think from a rational sizing up perspective. In reality a woman is orders of magnitudes more likely to be raped by someone she knows than a random guy in the woods. People try to compare rates of bear attacks to rates of sexual assault crimes which makes no sense because most people on earth will never see a wild bear in the entire lives.
>>4797318>>4797326Men who are pretty far right on the graph.
>>4797329>not argument>just calls them incelsYou know they’re right
>>4797326>if women are giving mating choice, it is not compatible with an organized, progressive society. it's the same arrangement found in primitive groups of animals where the male who is not high up on the totem pole is punished with beatings/death for attempting to mate. we only have society because we took away a lot of sexual choice from both sexes and made marriage more about business than pleasure, arranged by the parents.You also have to a remember a good number of women today are just fucking crazy. Like, just completely spiteful hags. A good amount of these women screaming rape whenever the opportunity presents itself are included in this. One aspect of feminism that isn’t talked about enough is the genetic proliferation of unpleasant women. Under patriarchy, nasty miserable sows would have limited reproductive success, most would simply just get filtered. Men today are powerless and desperate, they'll breed with nearly anything if given the chance.Every generation of women alive today is progressively more unpleasant and girlbossy than the last. Just look at millennial relationshits, for example. Women have consistently demonstrated total incompetence in selecting good spouses when given the freedom to do so, and while men aren’t perfect, things were objectively better when they called the shots, a patriarchal system that places females under the stewardship of their fathers until marriage would also limit the number of bad men marrying good women. Men are simply better at judging the character of other men. Here’s some related empirical evidence: Population-wide increase of mental illness is partially driven by male sexual selection, i.e. reproductive success of crazy women.https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10519-022-10107-whttps://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00239-022-10072-2
>>4797216>but it really isn't as simple as 'most men are normal' because what even is 'normal' when it comes to men's positions and stances when it comes to rape culture?By "normal", I mean that it doesn't even occur to them to hurt women (you can argue whether it's condescending but a LOT of patriarchal norms are bound up in the idea that women are not to be harmed in the way you would a man due to their more delicate physical nature), and that rape is evil. That's the thing about the whole "teach men not to rape" slogan in the 2010s; if you say that to a guy, the response 100% of the time is going to be "no shit rape is evil". I think the idea of "continuous enthusiastic/non-coerced consent" is a far better metric in terms of saying if you're not getting the following from a partner, then sex isn't on the table and you risk being as bad as the stereotypical rapist that drags a woman into an alleyway.I remember when I was in high school and trying out for a soccer team and during some down time some of the group started talking about sex and the question came up of what was one to do if on the wedding night the bride didn't want to fuck. One of the guys joked about knocking her out and having sex anyways, and it made me very uncomfortable, what that told me was that such an action wasn't seen as rape because of the context (assuming it wasn't just an edgy joke). So if someone, particularly an older man, was to sit those guys down and give them the spiel about "enthusiastic/non-coerced continuous consent", that would shift their thinking about the topic. I do think that a more explicit message earlier on would alleviate a decent amount of what you're talking about.>the very system we live in encourages this behaviorHow do you account for the fact that by all available metrics, it's a small minority of men committing the crime?
>>4797606>By "normal", I mean that it doesn't even occur to them to hurt womenSure but you kinda proved my point with>One of the guys joked about knocking her out and having sex anyways, and it made me very uncomfortableBut did YOU say anything? Did anyone else? If you don't say anything against people who are apparently all for rape then you're supporting them. It doesn't matter if you are against it behind closed doors, they believe they are surrounded by people who won't say anything against them if they were to commit the crime, and they're right. Because no one has yet, not to their face.>So if someone, particularly an older man, was to sit those guys down and give them the spiel about "enthusiastic/non-coerced continuous consent", that would shift their thinking about the topic.Maybe, but how many times do you think that has actually happened? Not enough considering 1 in 4 women have been sexually assaulted/harassed.>How do you account for the fact that by all available metrics, it's a small minority of men committing the crime?Again, you're missing the point. It is not just the men who are committing the actual crime who are the issue, it's everyone around them. Rapists have a support network. They have friends who don't challenge their misogyny, they have family who make excuses for their behaviour, and they are surrounded by men who shame and put down women who come forward about their assault. It's why rapists get away with it so often.You've probably heard of the proverb 'if you have 9 people sitting at a table and 1 Nazi, you have 10 Nazis' and it applies here.
>>4797247>sex crimesThis is what you're not getting. Accusation of a crime does not mean that a crime was committed. I understand there are situations where the accused was guilty and not punished, but my point is was really that the statistic of 1 in 4 is incorrect and spreads misinformation. Someone's word is simply not enough as the margin for error is substantial.I could take the 1 in 4 more seriously if when mentioned, people honestly state how it was calculated and the margin for error. But they don't, because it's a dishonest statistic and used for damaging political goals. Damaging because it may impose unjust laws on the innocent, or creates unnecessary fear.For example, women living in safe wealthy areas are still thinking there's a 25% chance they're going to be assaulted in the street, when this is absolute bullshit.Sure, if you go to the worst part of the city in your own wearing, then absolutely someone on drugs or drunk is going to try something. A man would also likely be mugged or violently assaulted in a similar situation.Which by the way, violent crimes against men is significantly higher than it is against women. >>4797275I doubt the validity of your claims just on the basis that you write like a women.Either way, see above.
>>4797204>There are far worse things that can happen to you than murderYeah, like being eaten alive by a wild animal.
>>4797339good post, honestly never considered a genetics angle to this mess
>>4788688the bears have spoken
>>4797611>But did YOU say anything? Did anyone else?I don't remember, this shit was over a decade ago in the mid-2000s and I was 14, it's a random memory that resurfaced. I do think people pushed back against it (in a joking way), but it's all very fuzzy.>Again you're missing my point.Things are getting better imo, there's definitely been a shift in terms of how people, men and women, think about topics such as consent and assault., and I'm suggesting a way that imo would certainly help even more.>>4797339I don't trust this study at all, genetics don't shift that quickly one way or another unless you're straight up murdering everyone that doesn't fit a certain profile and then forcing the survivors to reproduce. Additionally, birth control has thrown this kind of dynamic out of whack. Women may be sleeping with "Chad", but they're not necessarily having his kids like they might in a scenario where birth control or abortions are hard to come by.
>>4797339>Under patriarchy, nasty miserable sows would have limited reproductive successYou’ve got that backwards historically, nasty miserable sows were the most likely to proliferate. Most women were obligated to be wed off with very few other options available in life, even the nasty sows were forced on someone. The more someone wanted to fuck a woman beyond obligation, the more likely she was to then die in childbirth; especially if she was particularly young or petite and paired with someone that wasn’t a manlet. Or, if not from pregnancy, to become infertile from or die of a venereal disease. It’s why the trope for elderly wives/widows is to be nasty-tempered, the rest literally died early in life. Just like how all the good men died in wars. Even today, with all the advances in medicine, pregnancy is still risky af.In a fantasy patriarchal society where men weren’t obligated to wed to make more soldiers and laborers, and also wasn’t like our own that strongly favors sociopathic traits in both men and women to be successful, maybe then you could naturally filter shitty people from the gene pool. At least now, most adults have more options than being required to stay with and breed with someone who has a shitty temperament. It’s why the boomer hating your spouse jokes aren’t popular anymore, most are free to just abandon people they dislike instead of forcing themselves to coexist.
