>cosplayer starts while taking the hobby seriously>does props, full costumes, sometimes sexy but only if she genuinely likes the character>she notices her few sexy cosplay gets insanely more popular than the non-sexy stuff>eventually, she does more ero-cosplay than non-ero >starts selling content but is non-risky stuff>then goes full erotic with risky angles>some pictures have little glimpses of her areola>she is still against nudity>after constant begging (and because she already sold some pictures and knows they would eventually leak anyway) she post her tits>then full nude>cosplay is set aside and most of her pictures now are lingerie, nude, ocacionally cosplaying the waifu of the month>at the end, you can find hd pictures of her spreaded pussyWhy does this happens so much?
Because it makes money off thirsty simps
Money and validation. Don't ask questions you already know the answers to. Might as well delete this thread now, there've been plenty of similar ones that all arrive at the same conclusion.
Yeah, then better post examples
>>10902002well I know many real cosplayers who started legit but went down the onlyfans roadbut they havent shown full nudity (yet)
>>10902002here's one of the biggest hoes on the net back in 2012can you guess who without googling?
>>10902002momokun basically went from "I'll never show my nipples" to doing full frontal porn
Personally I dislike it when cosplayers go full nude. I prefer to worship and simp for the ones who know how to tease and leave you begging for more.
>>10901998Why do chuds hate capitalism?
>>10901998girls like money and/or attention, what a shocking revelation[spoiler] i coom to sluts walking around commando in short skirts [/spoiler]
>>10902005Didn’t her abusive ex push her into that stuff? I think I also remember him changing her banking passwords to try to steal all her money when she tried to leave
>>10902005>Some shots of my Link cosplay from Oni-Con 2012. I won Best Craftsmanship in the Cosplay Contest. >Every garment, prop, and accessory you see here was made by me, including the chainmaille, iron boots, horse call, and gale boomerang. I styled the wig and did the makeup for the ears as well.And now she is selling vaginal yeast beer>>10902035Maybe but it's not like she stopped when they broke up
>>10902031>i coom to sluts walking around commando in short skirtsFuck, this is my favorite too. Wish I could find a GF who was into doing it in cosplay at a con, even if the skirt were longer, but I always manage to wind up with uptight prudes and my main cosplayer ex wouldn't even do it in cosplays where she had an ankle-length dress and a petticoat that would've made seeing up it impossible even if she'd walked right over a camera on the floor.
>>10901998Money makes the world go round. And in some cases its easy money. And I suppose in some other cases some women like the kind of attention they get online.
>>10901998Because in the end she liked cosplay but loved attention, ez.A worthier question is why she never seems to go back and rewear all her old cosplays and wet herself in them, I would watch that, watching is attention, right?
>>10902035Ah yes the Amouranth effect AKA the teacher fucks student but is a victim if femaleIt was the bad scary men that made women exploit the internet for fame/money/attention using their sexuality
>>10902020no one knows what a chud is and you don't know what capitalism is.
>>10902001
>>10902039>vaginal yeast beerPlz don't let that b real HOMIEE
>>10902020Giving Jews money and power ruins literally everything
>>10901998>Why does this happens so much?Lack of an asserting and morally righteous paternal figure during childhood and early adolescence.
>>10902035That's just the lame-ass excuse she came up with to justify her whoring.
>>10902177Not everyone has that kind of creative writing skill.
Some would call it a fallacy, but I believe the slippery slope effect is psychologically true. In regards to moral erosion at least. I am a moral realist and I strongly believe you will suffer and be unable to obtain true happiness if you don't live a virtuous life. As masaru takahara said "You can't let it cost you your soul. When the dust settles, when you're old and weak, that strength of spirit is all you'll have."
>>10902177It's not hot to me if she's not into it and doing it of her own free will and she wasn't the kind of person who would have reacted well to something like that. Besides it wouldn't have been that simple, when cosplaying with skirts she always wore opaque tights and TWO pairs of underwear (one functional pair underneath the tights and another over for "show.")
>>10902207its not that she wouldnt have reacted well, its that your a beta simp and she wears the pantsfucken loser aye
>>10902005thats a damn good cosplay aside from her slut career
>>10901998Well yeahSex sells....
>>10902031>[spoiler] i coom to sluts walking around commando in short skirts [/spoiler]They do exist?
>>10902208Nah, she was extremely submissive, she was just also extremely insecure and prudish about anything beyond regular bedroom sex and would've had a total panic attack meltdown. >>10902226No idea how common they are, but I've seen a few over the years, I seem to be some kind of magnet for accidental upskirts at cons (to the point that it's a running joke among my friends) and once in a while they're commando. I've gotta think the actual percentage is higher than that'd indicate too since most girls going commando would be more careful than ones who aren't.
>>10901998A friend ex-girlfriend is falling for the same path and is kind of sad. She started her only fans a week after their breakup and the only people who joined in are her coworkers
>>10902342What's her name? I'd check her out.
>>10902205100% is. my porn tastes were pretty vanilla pre-chan. now i like feet, futa, dickgirls, and all sorts of stuff.
>>10902376It's weird, I've been on 4chan almost 20 years now and yet I'm still pretty vanilla, the only real "out there" thing is pussy pumping but otherwise I'm just into small tits and exhibitionism, which aren't total baseline default stuff but aren't really that unusual either.
>>10902386i guess it depends on how open you are to things and if you venture into those territories. as you could probably guess i went into /d/ and liked what i saw. i may not have realized beforehand that i was open to that kind of thing but /d/ "opened my eyes" so to speak. also the dickgirls/futa led to traps and now i'm bi. didn't think that one was going to happen way back when.
>>10901998lana rain, massive whore, in the best way posible
>>10901998it's the con>thot pipeline>conventions>twitter>instagram>secret twitter>secret instagram>onlyfans
>>10902005this is amouranth???
>>10901998I wouldn't care that much if these thots were actually making money but like 99% of girls on onlyfans are selling their pussy for $10 a month to a group of like a dozen dudes at most
>>10901998Cute thighs
>>10902452thats comfy if you arent doing anything too lewdlike an extra $200 per month for bikini pics nothing wrong with that
>>10901998There are cases where the opposite happens>Camwhore who used to do porn became a cosplayer. She still does sexy content but not outright porn anymore>Onlyfans girl who only did it for the money, never really liked doing explicit content and recently stopped to focus on her vtuber shit and cosplay, knows she will lose money but its ok for her mental health>Girl who used to do sexy content for 5 years, lost interest in sexy content over the years>Girl who used to do gravure and other cosplay. Had cosplans to do more sexy content but started to become famous and stopped her spicy content to improve her image towards companies who could sponsor her. She's been invited overseas as a guest officially so her plan is workingSexy content sounds like the easy way to success, but the market is saturated. What ELSE you bring to the table is more important
>>10901998OP is jelly
>>10902039let's see you drop your entire lucrative career that you've built up over time just because you broke up with the guy who encouraged you to try it. Sorry but people calling her a slut doesn't take anything out of her bank account
>>10901998I know a girl who has a closet full of camgirl fast fashion, dove headfirst into the spicy content thing right after highschool. Now it's been about 6 years, and she still wears the stuff on camera but only posts movie reviews and art. Good ending?
>>10902470Yeah, pocket change for pictures that you would post anyway is a good thing.But showing your tits for less than 200 dollars a month is pathetic
>>10905114As someone subbed to some fansly/OF girls, who in their right mind would pay $200 for tits. I could pay for 3 to 5 good girls for that moneyI would only pay that if its a cosplay of a character I like and I have control over how it looks like
>>10905116I assume they meant 200 total from multiple people, not one guy.
>>10902002Pretty much any cosplayer who was active during the 2010s and still is today has done a variation of this. My favorite example is Pialoof/Kanacosplay.>Starts doing cosplay and selling prints, even before deviantart is a thing>Sets herself aside as someone who is different than the "big armor" girls (Nigri)>Cute, lacy stuff, animal ears (apparently one of the first to do it frequently)>Does fanservicey stuff, but still relatively tame, and as an extra. The main attraction is the cosplay>Becomes somewhat of an icon for chubby cosplay girls, even if she's not chubby herself, just built like a fucking fridge>Patreon>"I do fanservice cosplay">Cosplays hentai characters>Closeups on t&a>Hot wax and nipple clamp sets, still no nudity>For "health reasons", she gets her face redone to look asian, plus perky, full looking DDs>Lingerie sets become more and more prevalent>By the end of her Patreon run, lingerie sets are half of her output. Shows pubes.>Onlyfans>Fake cum, bdsm, sex toys>Implied nudity>In her first year, half of her sets are cosplay. By the second, almost none. In her third year, there's no cosplay at all>"Implied nudity" is in almost every set now>Set descriptions practically sell her stuff as wank fodder, sometimes she even directly tells you to nut for her>Implied nudity reaches the bandaid being the only thing covering her territory>Only a slip away from nudity>"This set has no nudity" sounds more like a cope than an informative statement nowShe's in her mid 30s now, and apparently wants to keep this going into her 40s too.
>>10906749disgusting down syndrome looking fat whore
>>10906762her face looks weird now, she posted some cope about how she didn't wanted to look like this and that her nosejob was done for health reasons but you can tell she wanted the epicanthic fold and the boobjob... and the lips... and whatever. I dunno if I should feel amused or sad at her blatant whoring though, it's certainly shocking to me that every girl who does cosplay is expected to do porn or at least nudity. Speaking of which, Mikomi Hokina used to handle Pialoof's socials, that's a rabbithole of sorts, especially considering Mikomi would do anything for simpbux.
>>10901998The attention (and money) of horny men online is one of the most dangerous things in existence.
>>10902521Could you share examples of this? I'd like to follow people who got out of the hole moreso than the people who fell deep into it.
>>10906749Do you have old pictures? Google only shows me new ones
>>10906778Compare those new pics you saw with this one for instance.
>>10906779
>>10906781
>>10906779>>10906781>>10906782I am wrong for thinking she looks better here? Not in the attractive scale but I feel like I could actually remember her face here. Her new face just screams generic thot cosplayer, wouldn't give her a follow because I'm already following 5 cunts like her already
>>10906785You know, I actually kinda agree with you. She did push her "girl next door" angle quite hard and it worked because she looked the part instead of looking like a bimbo pornstar like she does now. I wonder how much of this is body image issues and how much is just good old bimbofication from her part. I remember seeing the New Vegas cosplay back in the day, without knowing it was her, and being shocked when I found out it was indeed her. She's changed her image and screen name a few times.
>>10906796I just fell in love
>>10906803that was Kana/Pialoof then. Picrel was her last attempt at cosplay, around a year and a half ago.
>>10906808What a beauty
>>10901998MONEY! SEX SELLS!
>>10901998because it's as easy as opening an onlyfans and having a bank account. it's hard to make this any easier now.at least in the past, the girl would have to apply to sites like cosplaydeviants or get approached by a porn scout. now they can do it all from their room and all they need is a smartphone.
>>10902002I think the vast majority of the ones who go this route end up stopping short of full frontal and stick to "lewds" or "implied nudity" at most.
>>10907149Those are my favorite.
>>10907149they also drop cosplay altogether too
>>10906808So does she just do porn now?
>>10907240she has the body of a pornstar, but she just does lewds and implied nudity. sometimes she'll use cumlube and pose with dildos, but hasn't done anything sexual with them. She hasn't done cosplays since 2022, and even then, her cosplays in the onlyfans era regressed to wearing lingerie and a wig that matches the character's hair. She's very autistic about never going nude for some reason. So yeah, her onlyfans is mostly Victoria Secrets catalogue tier with some implied nudes and handbra thrown in.
>>10907243So somewhat tasteful, cum lube and dildos is a bit much.
>>10907244She's used anal plugs, nipple clamps and dildos. She uses cum more frequently, which might be a legit fetish of hers. Her output is mostly skinemax tier now.
>>10907246Is the more hardcore stuff still out there? It's weird to step back once you're already sticking shit up your ass on camera.
>>10907247Your usual leak forums should have most of her stuff. Leaks have gone down even though she's masturbating over her panties now. She repeatedly says that she has to be "hyped up" to go further, which sounds like something she'd say to bait coomers but I wonder if it's legit.
>>10907248Yeah sounds like a way to get a hype train on chatterbate.
>>10907250Wonder if she'l actually follow through though, while she did ecchi characters I never thought she would do sets with cum and toys, even if she doesn't use them properly. Who knows...
I think it's a little sad how she tried having a serious career but people couldn't stop seeing her as a thot so she went back to porn
>>10907266lana rain never stopped making porn
>>10907266she was in a relationship with some young dude (probably her age or a bit older), the dude's personality was based around tripping on shrooms, he was writing a phd around tripping on shroomsthe whole thing was super entretaining and saucy to read about
>>10907285>like shrooms man open your third eye for jerry
>>10907286>>10907285I hate drug addicts so goddamn much.
>>10907266the hair and the rag fucks it up, but the rest of her """""coord""""" is fire
>>10902002
>>10907266Some of her porn is REALLY good though, I've cum to the video where she's fucking herself in the purple thigh highs so many times
>>10907549it takes guts to cum to Lana Rain, she's a trainwreck and looks even worse nowadays
>>10907584The composer?
>>10907305>seeing this pic for the first time with its original watermark>2005>almost 20 years agoMakes me wish I was born 5-7 years earlier than I actually was so I could have been around for this fandom at an age where I could actually participate in it. Lately it feels more and more like what I thought was the peak that I actually got to participate in (2011-2013ish) was actually the fandom just running on the fumes of what it was in 2000-2010.
>>10907305the absolute legend
Nobody talks about girls grooming other girls to start an Onlyfans
>cosplayer starts doing lewd/onlyfans stuff>The only "cosplay" is a wigIt's fucking shit. If I wanted to crank my hog to cosplay I want the fucking outfits.
>>10905109simp harder bro, she's totally gonna fall in love with your complete lack of backbone.
>>10910905Man I would've been way more likely to pay for lewds of the 2017 version than the 2024. She went from cute skinny cosplayer to one of a billion mildly overweight fake goth thots.
>>10910905The whole community is hilariously evil. They sabotage each other a lot."Yes baby, you should totally open an only fans, it will help your career, why I don't have one? Oh, I'm just waiting until I got back to the gym but you should totally do it"
>>10910920>I would've been way more likely to pay for lewds of the 2017 versionShe was still a minor in high school then, unless you don't mind having contraband.
>>10902005internet ruined her, that's actually a great cosplay
>>10906779>>10906781>>10906782Yeah....I already coomed back then to her...
>>10910905....Still would...
>>10901998how do i get a cosplay gf with a bodycount lower than 5
>>10912184HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAA
>>10912207Why are you laughing?
>>10912257It could be that you expect anyone here to give any honest advice (and also put a really obvious, fake constraint on yourself)
>>10908935I was a teen in the mid 00s and desu it felt like the early seeds of what we have now were planted back then. The true comfy scene was in the 90s, I was a kid (single digits even) but I still attended events and whatnot. I feel like the 90s were the last time where I saw a con that was by fans and for fans.>>10910905You can just feel she's not enjoying herself anymore. It's sad.
>>10910905Onlyfans has a referral program, 5% up to 50K on y1 with no limit on the number referred.Basically digital pimping with no risk to yourself, a lot of bullshit can be attributed to someone getting paid.
>>10912257I'm sorry but what you are asking for is nearly impossible.It would be easier to meet a girl who doesn't do cosplay and then introduce her to that world
>>10912274thisif a girl does cosplay and has a certain type of body she'll eventually sell her pics, probably do porn. Then it's because of two things: the boyfriend convinces her to do it, which used to be the common factor (Nigri herself started like this), or it's because she wants to do it and you'll have to be okay with it. It can be fun to be with the hot girl but then you realize she makes a living out of selling nudes. You're either the cuck or the pimp. And a lot of people who are into cosplay want to be looked at, some with lust, even if they won't admit it.
>>10912277I don't blame women. If I had people constantly offering me money to steal or cheat or even kill, if the price was high enough I'd have to consider it eventually. If we men weren't such fucking pigs who think with our cocks all the time.
>>10912291Also, attention is addictive
>>10912291>I don't blame women.Same. Women are innocent in this. It's the system and uh, men. Girls, please notice me.
>>10912294Well it's not the women. It's capitalists exploiting women with only fans. It's liberal perversions of commodifying sexuality in the name of "women's liberation". No one should have to sell sex to survive.
>>10902035Yeah, he was encouraging her to stream and making sets constantly. That's why she was doing like 12 hour long streams where nothing happens while pocketing the money, or how she was constantly on OF.She left him recently allegedly, so it doesn't explain why she's doing that shit now. She just honestly loves the money. She's constantly bragging about it but also complaining how she could be making more doing XYZ. She has Mr. Beast brain where she has to be making more and more money or else she's failing. It's fucking stupid.
>>10913381She has gone off the deep end into the most degenerate shitStreaming and wearing revealing cosplay is one thingBut she is selling vaginal yeast beer and gamer girl farts
>>10912291Well unless you change human biology for that (which means you don't have modern society because men did that shit) men will always think with their dicks >>10912295I'm not sure why you think socialism means no sex work lmao, women will always sell sex for resources or influence even in socialism.The competition would be over social capital and that's not exactly distributable
>>10902392I've always wanted to know Lana Rain's backstory.She is the only cosplayer who makes adult content that she consumes because she is the only one I know (I don't bother to research other girls) who doesn't have tattoos.It really breaks my fantasy to see a tatsumaki or Sakura with tattoos of discordant anime characters, it's like having an uncanny valley.The point is that although I never met her at the beginning, I currently feel a little sad for her (Sometimes I feel like I would like to get out of that area) but I guess at least she makes good money
>>10902035>>10913381>You fell for itThey are still together and laughing at the paypiggies who donate even more to her now.
>>10907584I think she's pretty, she's not beautiful but she's not ugly.It's a strange point, maybe it's just the habit of being my first cosplayer girl to make those videos.Be that as it may, I'm still looking for the videos I made with friends.I would like to know if there was a real reason why she stopped doing them. Besides, she doesn't have tattoos, so for me it's a very positive point.
>>10913417she was manipulated into this by the dude who feeds her drugs, it's been documented in drama/gossip forums
>>10907285>>10913752Of course, she picked the dudebro who does drugs.
>>10907584>it takes guts to cum to Lana Rainmaximum homolord take
>>10913752I hope you find your story on those forums, it really is very depressing.I guess it was my youthful crush and I can't get away from it.So mushrooms can ruin your face? She was genuinely cute at the beginning but looking at her current videos of her... well I guess she reached her best moment in her youth and now she only manages to maintain herself because ifI hope you find your story on those forums, it really is very depressing.I guess it was my youthful crush and I can't get away from it.So mushrooms can ruin your face? She was genuinely cute at the beginning but looking at her current videos of her... well I guess she reached her best moment in her youth and now she only manages to maintain herself because if
>>10913788kek, sorry, I have to buy a new keyboard, it does stupid things on its own
>>10913788Shrooms, like most psychedelics, can ruin your mind and "activate" other mental illnesses you might have in the background, so to speak. There's plenty of cases of artists who have fucked up their minds because of LSD and whatever, it's bad if you're prone to develop schizophrenia or BPD because it speeds up the whole thing.But Lana is also complicit on this whole thing, including a grooming attempt on a minor (also very documented)
>>10913912Yea but you have to take a lot of shrooms to have the bad trip. Also the context suggests they were doing shit like cocaine or whatever not psychedelics (you don't get addicted to psychedelics)>>10913788No, taking Shrooms doesn't make you look ugly. It's not like doing a bunch of meth and not eating or sleeping etc
>>10913788shrooms by themselves won't ruin your face, but it can distort your reflection, and if you have poor mental health, it can trigger psychosis, so people have been known to pick at their skin during bad trips. if she's just aging badly, she may have become a full on wook, and is neglecting her hygiene, diet, and sleep. eating like shit, not drinking water, not sleeping, not washing up, and laziness can all make you age poorly. additionally if she abuses mushrooms, she may also be using other drugs that do more actively damage the skin.
>>10913918>you don't get addicted to psychedelicsEveryone likes to claim this but I've seen the opposite happening first hand. It's generally cope from people who like to pretend that a mind-altering substance won't have any sort of consequence at all. The same has been said about weed but that has been debunked to hell and back with actual evidence. Psychedelics are next.But hey, you can quit anytime, right?
>>10913949it depends on the psychedelic, but technically you cannot physically become addicted to things like mushrooms or lsd because you cannot take it more often than once every 7-14 days, and neither form any kind of physical dependence or withdrawals. some people will just use whatever substance they can get their hands on at a given time, but that's less about addiction and more about escapism and avoidant personality issues than an addiction (and usually even if they quit, they'll just move onto the next thing, because it's less about the substance and more avoid avoiding their problems). still not healthy, but the reckless psychedelic use is probably a symptom of a much bigger problem
>>10913912>>10913918>>10913921>>10913949I wonder how profitable his Mv channel still is.I have always believed that the time will come when I should do real porn with another person but it seems that outside of one or another video where he uses one of his friends he doesn't seem interested in going to the next level.As for the mushrooms it is sad, I wonder if she is aware that she is aging badly and like any other girl of theirs she knows that she lives off her appearance
>>10913983Porn isn't about looks but the willingness to do degenerate stuff for the world to see
>>10901998>why do women act like stupid whores and take the easy route when given the option?
>>10914007arin hanson finally transitioned?
>>10912103She always had it in her.
>>10901998BONBIBONKERS WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY JUST WHYYYYYYYYYYGH
>>10914060i saw the before and after webm, you can tell how even in her early 20s the light in her eyes is gone
This girl went to sexy cosplay to outright porn in record time
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>>10914794i feel bad for her
>>10914794Feels like a lot of ""cosplayers""" realize that they aren't actually interested in cosplay but the attention it brings, so they eventually just say "fuck it" and start doing porn
Are these the same person?Very NSFW cuck shithttps://www.instagram.com/yukeshiro/?hl=enhttps://x.com/yukeshiro?lang=enhttps://x.com/herrscherdante?lang=en
>>10914945I just threw up.
>>10914945if it is the same personthis chick just humiliated herself online for chump change lmao
>>10914982That's most of girls. They often think they will be making at least minimum wage but most of them end up earning like, 40 bucks a month
>>10914992Theyre retards kek
>>10914945Not the same person but that last link is disturbing.
>>10901998I always feel mixed on this. Like I get it. Real jobs suck. They are hard to get, you're constantly precarious, and they require you spend most of life making some one else money. Why not make money from your hobby? I totally get the impulse. That said, the moment Jessica Nigiri figured out the easiest way to monetize the hobby was a little T&A, the existence of cosplay purely as a creative hobby was done. The monetization of cosplay is by far the worse thing that has every happened to it. Not only is cosplay just straight up a hussle for so many people now but all interactions just have become/feel far more transactional. It's not just the money hounds it's the social media clout too. You can plot it on a graph as the monetization of cosplay has increased cons have just felt increasingly less friendly and less spontaneous. It's a bummer. I'm not going to cringe and say "if it wasn't for those whores we'd still have our wholesome community," but the whores were the first ones to 2 and 2 together in figuring out how to make money off of cosplays
>>10913398This is a funny moving of the goalposts > Women should have sell sex to obtain money for survival> Welll uh they would still sleep around for social capital.People don't actually like money. What they like is sense of security. At the moment the only way to get that sense of security is through money. If people didn't have to fear for their basic needs you wouldn't see people willing exploiting themselves to nearly the same degree. You would have an easier time reshaping the moral landscape in that environment than in the current one.
>>10914088Where is the webm?
>>10914832why
>>10902205The slippery slope is an obvious undeniable phenomena, the fallacy only comes if the slope you describe makes no sense. A snowball rolling down the mountain will accumulate snow, that's a factual slope. Claiming a snowball rolling down the mountain will over the distance turn itself into a copy of Skyrim for the Playstation is a fallacy because it is a non-sequitur.
>>10918008This is not accurate. Example: Prostitution existed in the USSR even though people were given full security over the basics, and it was HEAVILY punished.People don't want security. People want the next best thing. You give a person a car, or a house, and they want a bigger car, a bigger house. That's why socialists generally are young and idealistic, or old and a failure who cannot make it and is looking for a hand out. People who grow up as a socialist, then find success, for the vast majority of the cases they leave that idealization behind because they realize that they want more than basic needs or even moderate needs, then their modality comes crashing down. TLDR: woman who have a finite and rare commodity (their beauty) will generally always directly use it or leverage it for status or economic gain, and they would be real stupid not to.Thank you for coming to my ted talk.
>>10919475Even if you get to the post-scarcity society of The Culture or something, women wil use sex for status more than wealth. Like im sure you've all seen this on this very board in the past
>>10919477You cannot get away from wanting the next, best thing. Innovation and acceleration are bread into humans. Only the lack of knowledge transfer slowed us down to basic precepts and even then, even then, we saw great progress at the cost of speed. Even the very concept of advancing knowledge is inherently capitalistic. An advantage to be exploited.
I'm surprised there is no one on /cgl/ who has an OFEven on boards like lolcow and crystal cafe there are plenty of sex workers/OF models
>>10919477At The Culture level of tech I'd imagine you'd have designer bodies and everyone can be as hot or ugly as they want. It'd be akin to picking an avatar to show off your personality.
>>10919475>>10919477>>10919485Oh boy, the 'human nature' argument. Look I’m not going to write a term paper here so cue the video: https://youtu.be/HCHRqrR4WZc?si=sMdphJWZsatDLads That said, describing a socially reinforced bourgeois class dynamic and just capping off all further though with "that's human nature. As it always has been. As it always will be." When nature (and social conditions) are ever changing and human nature is to adapt to those changes is some dumb-dumb shit. In the case of prostitution there is no historical example you can point to where it isn't inextricably linked to patriarchal and or capitalist exploitation. I sorry it's silly to pretend like people wouldn't change their approaches to their survival if there was a different social dynamic at play when that's all humans have ever done consistently. So this is getting into the spacey arguments about what do you count as ‘prostitution’. Are we talking about prostitution purely in the monetary exchange sense? The straight forward exchange or currency for sexual intimacy? Or is your definition ‘prostitution’ any sexual intimacy used in a transactional way? If we are talking about the former the historical record shows statistically socialist countries (USSR) had much lower rates of sex work. Yes, prostitution did exist but the rate in which women entered the trade plummeted to the point where the State didn't even feel the need to have any legislation concerning or prohibiting prostitution until near the end during the economic upheavals of perestroika. This is not mentioning the absolute horror show after the collapse of the USSR and capitalist shock doctrine was applied to the former Soviet states.If you’re talking about the latter I point out that’s a very loose definition and encourage you to emotionally grow up. Like I’m sorry some relationship dynamics are transactional in nature? But even then social context defines everything about us.
>>10901998Because males are dickbrained.
>>10919652>If you’re talking about the latter I point out that’s a very loose definition and encourage you to emotionally grow up. Like I’m sorry some relationship dynamics are transactional in nature?So you literally concede the point that prostitution will eist even without capitalism. Sex was exchanged for favors before capitalism as a thing, and it will be done so AFTER capitalism is not a thing. Like bonobos and other sapient lifeforms exchange sex for favors or resources.>But even then social context defines everything about us.Prostitution Sex Work, whatever wil exist even without capitalism. Hence the "human nature" thing. You know in female intrasexual competition, women will nominally pretend to be equal and a sisterhood and still plot against each other in hidden ways. Since you're using a video lemme post one too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5w0sALvppUWhether your society is capitalist, socialist or something else human nature will still shine through. Also, the USSR had much less prostitution because of the gender lopped society especially after WWII. Men don't have to buy sex as much when it's easier for them to get it becuse of the WWII casualties.Unless you get a post-humanist society, for example men will be more violent and hornier than women are. And even with post-humanism I suspect most humans will still prefer to be men and women.>>10919523Do you think MOST humans will change their gender even with that? Sure I can see that happening if it's pretty easy, but I suspect even with that there will be a natural polarity hich forms where one side will be "men" and the other side will be "women". In such a techword, some futa would likely be put 80% on the "man" cluster, and there will be relativel few non-binaries
>>10919680First of all fuck you for trying to make we watch a video of evo-psych bs that is longer than Eraserhead. I tried to watch it but I nearly had a stroke when she tried to claim that the way ancient warfare was conducted was by first figuring out what everyone was good at. Secondly; I didn't conceded anything. Prostitution exists as a consequence of a class based patriarchal order. Capitalism is the most accelerated form of class society. Even if you want to focus on pre-capitalist societies, the ones that had the highest prevalence of prostitution were always the more patriarchal societies with rigide class structures. So Greece and Rome, real big prostitution heads. Meanwhile matriarchal indigenous societies across the Americas and South Pacific? Uh not so much. Hell in the case of Papua New Guinea the concept of professional prostitution didn't exist on the island until colonization occured.I know it's very 'we live in a society' but patriarchal societies with ridged class structures push women towards leveraging their bodies for profit bc such a societies only offer women them extremely narrow avenues for agency, while also being structured so that their is built in precarity to maintain the class structure. Human nature is is just our ability to adapt. So if you live in a class society where it's make money or starve people will find ways to make money. That same person free of the precarity of class society, in a society not structured around patriarchal hierarchies, would use a different calculation to navigate the world. Also there is a difference between transactional sex and prostitution. A man being partial to woman he's sleeping can be considered transactional but it's not prostitution. You seem to want to call any kind of transaction relationship prostitution and that's why I'm telling you to grow up. Also rates of prostitution stayed low in the USSR until the late 1980's bc that gender ratio was just fuck for 40 years. Great point
>>10919680If it was really accessible, it wouldn't surprise me if people just tried it for fun and swapped back later or not.I imagine the final m/f ratio at the end might affect social dynamics. But even then if you look at VRChat and if it's any indicator, it'd be men swapping to women to fuck each other...
>>10919652>>10919749Lose weight.
>>10919652>where the State didn't even feel the need to have any legislation concerning or prohibiting prostitution until near the end during the economic upheavals of perestroika.>>10919749>Also rates of prostitution stayed low in the USSR until the late 1980'sCompletely false. If you are going to lie, or worse, just make shit up, there is no point to this convo.>October 1937, dispensaries for beggars and prostitutes became part of the Gulag system.>In 1922, the Criminal Code was adopted, which made it possible to prosecute pimps and brothel ownershttps://www.kommersant.ru/doc/256333
>>10919652>change their approaches to their survivalProstitution in most cases has nothing to do with survival, and everything to do with wanting more.
>>10919680>change gender for funpeople have been doing stuff like this for thousands of years already.>angels, greek/roman and nordic gods crossdressing or changing genders in legends came from somewhere>shakespeare age, viking age & pre-meiji era singers and actors crossdressing (typically men as women)>ancient people crossdressing to join or to escape joining the military, arranged marriages, etc>historical accounts of male thieves crossdressing to get into rich houses as female servants>high heels, frills and long wigs used to be used by men, women took them over - same gender change for a lot of clothing in japan>1980s singers, drag queens>current era influx of genderqueers, butch lesbians, etcsame can be said about people trying to switch ethnicity>spray tans, melanotan ii, skin lightening soap>monolid eyelid surgery, nose jobs, colored contact lenses>prosthetic body partscurrently we can get semi-realistic prosthetics to go either the ftm or mtf route, but they are still too expensive for most people to just buy for fun. prices have dropped and quality has drastically improved in the past few years tho so the time is coming. it will be just like dyeing your hair or wearing nose piercings, which did not used to be socially acceptable. if you interact with the youth, a lot ARE basically just crossdressing for fun even if it is only at specific times (such as cons or during sex).
