medfag here

>preassembled kits
these are never, ever a good idea when it comes to medical supplies. You either pay 3-10x more than the contents are worth, or you get absolutely dog shit supplies

>I'm already getting tourniquets and cpr masks
jesus fucking christ, just stop
if these are the first two things you're thinking of out of all the things that could happen to you while out, you either have never gone outside before in your life or you are actually a retarded person

>mouth to mouth is used after Heimmlich
what the actual fuck are you even talking about

>other forms do respiratory arrest
why do you think "respiratory arrest" is the first and most likely thing you're going to be dealing with

>I'm also getting big ass scissors of course
at this point I'm too afraid to ask what you think you're going to be doing with shears if you think you're going to be applying multiple tourniquets and doing cpr

>>2725998
now that that's out of my system here's the real answer for you- since you seem to be actually brain dead find a wilderness first aid class near you- and (You) might need to take it two or three times before any of it sticks

>>2725998
>medfag
I guess when Staples sent you to that CPR class it didn't teach you not to take bait. Go back to your register.

>>2725928
If I was to assemble a first aid kit for outdoors, I would include the following:
>blister plasters
>bandaids of few kinds (or just go with the cut to size kind, you can diy it in to all kinds of uses)
>wound desinfectant
For cleaning the wounds
>some compression wrap
for when someone sprains their ankle
>triangular bandage
For making a sling for example, or for splinting a broken bone
>pressure bandage such as the israeli bandage
For larger possible wounds
>a tourniquet, preferably a CAT or SOF-T
For any massive blood loss that the pressure bandage can't stop
>medication
painkillers, diarrhea meds, possible snake bite medication, allergy medication if needed, possibly some sea salt chrystals for dealing with hot weather, some caffein tablets
>scissors
For cutting the bandaids or clothing
>Tweezers
For removing ticks, thorns or spikes
>Bic lighter
>space blanket
For keeping the casualty from getting hypothermia
>Some basic gauze and wound compress pads
They work for patching up smaller to moderate wounds as well

I do have to admit that I do have some bias from my reservist exercises. For that reason I will always carry a tourniquet, an israeli bandage and a space blanket on my body when I go outdoors. I may have forgotten something from the list, but this was something that popped in to my mind for now. I'll have to take a look on my own first aid kit and make sure it is up to date.

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>>2726075
>>wound desinfectant
>For cleaning the wounds

I like a tincture of iodine for a desinfectant.

>>2725928
>What is essential gear that I need to have?
That depends on what you're doing, how far from civilization you're traveling and how much weight you're willing to carry. And what you know how to use.

If I'm going on a relatively short hike (overnight to a few days) I tend to carry
>Tourniquet
>OLAES Modular Bandage (essentially the same as an Izzy or any other emergency bandage but has some packing gauze and plastic sheeting included with it)
>Gloves
>Band-aids of various sizes
>Gauze pads (for cleaning and dressing)
>Tape
>Compression bandage
>Bandana (serves as a triangular bandage)
>Space blanket
>Acetaminophen, ibuprofen, oxycodone, abx, ondansetron, loperamide
This lets me survive big bleeds long enough for EMS to fly in, manage sprains and minor fractures well enough to get home or to a hospital, manage small bleeds/blisters/other minor injuries well enough to not interrupt the trip and not freeze to death (assuming appropriate clothing and not being an idiot).

Depending on the trip (further from civilisation, difficult climbing, overseas, expected weather, etc) I might also consider. If I'm car camping I'm willing to bring more stuff.
>SAM splint
Way better for splinting a fracture than whatever random sticks you might find, and that means a better chance of being able to walk yourself to safety.
>50cc syringe
Invaluable for flushing out a dirty wound.
>Hydrogel burn dressing
Not as effective first-aid as 20 minutes of cool running water but you don't always have 20 minutes of cool running water innawoods.
>Shears
Useful for cutting clothes out of the way but usually I can't be bothered with the weight.
>Snake bite bandage
If I'm hiking in a country with lots of elapids
>Specialist wound dressings
>Oral rehydration solution
>Additional medications

>>2725928
You are so retarded I hope for your own sake you are being ironic

>>2725928
You don't need a tourniquet Anon, just get an Israeli Bandage, it's the same thing.

>>2726192
lowest quality bait post ive seen in quite some time

>>2726119
>Tourniquet
Do you also carry a tourniquet around with you when you walk around the city? Because you're just as likely to need it then as you are in the woods.

>>2726211
If I'm wearing a jacket with space in the pockets or I've got a bag with me, yeah. Not like they take up a lot of space.
I've also got a FAK in my car.

>>2726022
I love super specific projection. I wonder where you work

>>2726263
I make aircraft parts; I just picked what sounded like the most boring retail job

>>2726278
>standing at a press brake or feeding stampings into a time saver all day is what you think is an impressive job
lol. lmao.

>>2726286
Didn't say my job is impressive, but okay

>>2726119
>SAM splint
So, have you practiced splinting yourself if needed?

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>>2725928
>Claratin (Non-Drowsy allergy)
>Benadryl (Drowsy allergy)
>Various sizes of gauze
>Tape
>Alcohol Wipes
>Lip Balm
>Tylenol
>Immodium
>Ceralyte powder
>Hydrogel Dressing
>Wound Closure Strips
>Lighter
>Gloves
>Neosporin
>Tweezers
>Band Aids
Not pictured
>Space Blanket
The whole thing weighs 5 or 6 ounces and fits into my pants pocket if I need it to. Don't bring silly stuff you don't know how to apply or ridiculous things like chest seals.

If I were to add more stuff I'd bring an israeli bandage, a tourniquet, and a sam splint but I'd prefer to pack light.

>>2726426
No. Splinting fractures isn't hard, I'm confident I can wing it.
In any case, I usually go /out/ with my wife.

>>2726486
This is a good list. Mine also adds a tick puller, burn cream, safety pins, medical tape, leucotape (all tapes wound around palastic card), bug bite relief, benadryl, melatonin, aspirin, electrolyte, cough drops, and a few other stuff that doesn't add much more weight. I add two Cat 7 tourniquets and clotting bandages in two strengths because if the weaker one stops the bleed it doesn't require subsequent debridement. I don't carry a space blanket, I do carry a compass with mirror and a small vial of Dr. Bronners soap.

>>2725928
Make sure your tourniquet doesn't snap in half while tightening, aka no chinky medical gear allowed while camping!

>>2725998
I was trying to see if anyone had reccomendations for assembled kits by any third party organizations or reccomendations for pouches

In regards to the tourniquets I figured everyone would've already assumed that I had gauze, compression bandages, tape, alcohol, mole skin, and other basic "ouchie" shit.
Shears would be for field circumcisions and cutting gauze and clothes.

In regards to the cpr masks you're so right, maybe now I can use them to protect my mouth when I suck out snake venom instead!

>>2726075
I'm actually retarded for forgetting drugs besides ibuprofen and immodium. Any snake bite medication reccomendations? The only snake meds I have is a HAM radio to call the fucking rangers.

Also I keep seeing people shill for the Uncle Bill tweezers but I'm figuring that's just a meme and that any sharp pointed tweezers will do the job.

>>2726119
Syringe is very clever but wouldn't the same job be accomplished with an alcohol swab?

Any snake bite bandage reccomendations? I only recently moved from a snake free region of the Midwest and I have already ran into 3 Rattlers, I know how to spot them so I was never even close to danger although another hiker almost stepped on the damn thing.

>>2726189
You'll never know.

>>2726486
This is a great night of checklist. A lot of the smaller drugs are easy to forget. The amount of times I've had to lend my neosporin and band aids to over prepped hikers is insane.

Weight isn't too much of an issue because the goal is for it to double as a car first aid kit and then the essentials to be moved into a pack for going /out/.

>>2726639
Any need for a tick puller VS sharp tweezers?

>>2726738
I am currently reading the fine print on my shit now that you said this.

>>2726782
>Any snake bite medication reccomendations?
There's no such thing. Snake bite medication is some European superstition with no good evidence of benefit.

>Any snake bite bandage reccomendations?
Don't worry about it unless you're holidaying in Australia or own a pet cobra.
Pressure immobilisation bandages are used for first aid treatment of bites in regions where the local species have highly neurotoxic venom. That's not the case here in the states, a bite from our snakes is less likely to be lethal in the first place and the tissue injury they cause can be worsened by applying a pressure immobilisation bandage.

>Syringe is very clever but wouldn't the same job be accomplished with an alcohol swab?
Nah. A jet of water is generally much better than scrubbing at a wound with a swab or wet gauze. Although really you'll want both.
You can get away with just pouring water over the wound from your canteen or whatever but a syringe gives you a degree of pressure and directionality which makes it much more effective.

Anyone think this "first aid kit" stuff is retarded? I understand being prepared but you see people hike out with these big medical kits like wtf do you even expect to be doing?

I only ever carry leukotape, ibuprofen, and I carry a multitool anyway (has tweezers etc). If I'm seriously injured my priority is getting help not doing some bush surgery lol. And if I'm way out, too far to get help, I hire a locator beacon.

Cocaine is really good at stopping gaping wounds from bleeding but THE MAN doesn't trust you not to just honk it

>>2726873
>There's no such thing
In Finland they sell a viper bite kit in the pharmacy. The kit consists of 3 50mg pills of hydrocortisone to ease the effects of the viper venom in the body while you get to the ER. It also helps if a wasp sting causes exceptionally lot of pain. Although nowadays they do not recommend it because some people have a false belief in the viper bite pills negating the effects of the viper venom.
>>2726914
While leading a boyscout troop I found out that having a decent first aid kit is a literal life saver. Also when I began my army service, on the first day someone opened his wrist with a knife because he was a moron and used a puukko to open a zip tie keeping a pair of flip flops together.

>>2726782
I typically carry the larger Sea To Summit first aid dry bag. If I'm incapacitated and somebody goes through my things, they'll see the red cross and know it's a first aid kit and not just socks. Remote chance but zero downside.l except cost.

I bought the Uncle Bill tweezers. Save your money and bring tweezers from the medicine cabinet at home.

Dulcolax tabs can help if you eat commercial freeze dried food like M. House and it constipates you.

For the drive to a trailhead, buy a $15 pair of Amazon window hammers/seatbelt cutters. I watched a woman driver burn to death because her seatbelt jammed during an accident and we couldn't get her out. Likewise people who could escape by smashing car window drown after ending up in a body of water accidently.

>>2725998
Why kvetch about TQs? OP isn't very likely to need it, but if he does, he's probably fucked if he doesn't have one.
A TQ is the last medical item I'd ditch.

>>2726211
Sorta. You're way more likely to get fast access to an emergency room in the city than in the woods. Tourniquet areTime. about buying you time.

>>2726486
Where'd you get the bag? I've been looking for something similar to put my homemade kit in.

>>2726075
I'd add medical tape and get rid of the bandaids if you're already going to be carrying gauze.
Also some vinyl gloves are nice if you're administering first aid on someone else.

>>2727686
This but minus the part about getting rid of the bandaids. I wouldn't pack a shitload mind you, but having a dozen or so adds almost 0 bulk/weight and makes it so you don't have to immediately dip into your medical tape and gauze for small nicks and cuts. Hell, throw a few in some of your pockets and you'll be good for a while assuming you arent accident prone

>>2726994
>n Finland they sell a viper bite kit in the pharmacy ... Although nowadays they do not recommend it because some people have a false belief in the viper bite pills negating the effects of the viper venom.
I'd say the main reason they don't recommend it nowadays is because there's very little evidence that it helps at all.
Treating snake bites with corticosteroids is essentially a Scandinavian eccentricity (maybe Italian too) and it's not generally recommended elsewhere in the world. The snake bite toxidrome may have an inflammatory element but that is not what causes most of the actual harm. Morbidity associated with snake bites in Europe and the US is primarily a result of cytotoxins which directly attack cells and tissue around the site of the bite, and hemotoxins which fuck with blood clotting. Neither of these pathways will be significantly affected by hydrocortisone.

On the other hand, 3x50mg pills aren't going to take up much space in your pack so if you feel more comfortable carrying them then go right ahead.

>>2726914
>Anyone think this "first aid kit" stuff is retarded?
No. Not at all.
If you fuck up with your knife or a hatchet or if you just fall down a fucking cliff then it's entirely possible for you to bleed out well before anyone responds to your PLB. A tourniquet, gauze and a good bandage could very well keep you alive long enough for help to arrive. Similarly, being able to effectively splint a fracture might be the difference between making it to shelter or back to the trailhead vs freezing to death in the rain.
At the other end of the spectrum, carrying band-aids and gauze can let you treat minor cuts, burns and blisters well enough that you can continue hiking rather than calling your trip quits 3 days in because you slipped while filleting a fish. Anti-diarrhea meds and oral rehydration solution are the same, they're not going to save your life but they can save your enjoyment of the trip.

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Here is my medkit.
It contains the following:
>1x Cederroth 4-in-1 bloodstopper (can be used as a pressure bandage for larger wounds, burn dressing, for securing the splint on to a limb or as a protective dressing for less serious wounds
>2x Cederroth 4-in-1 bloodstopper mini (same but smaller, and also usable on fingers, toes or palms of hand)
>50ml of 80% etanol for cleaning up wounds
>a couple wound wipes
>an assortment of different bandaids
>medical tape
>triangular bandage
>medication (imodium, ibuprofen, paracetamol, caffein, snake bite tablets, allergy meds and allergy eyedrops)
>one roll of gauze, wound compress pads
>bic lighter
>scissors
>space blanket
>nitrile gloves
>steristrips
>blister plasters
>tick removal tools (tick twister)
I realized that I lack tweezers from the set. I'll have to get those. The first aid kit stays usually on the outside of my backpack or on my belt when I go out, it fits inside the ALICE IFAK carrier pouch. In addition to this set, I also do carry a SOF-T tourniquet separately.

>>2727747
I guess if you want. Small nicks and cuts shouldnt need bandaids though

>>2729077
A bandaid is a reasonable thing to place on the cut to keep dirt etc from getting in to the wound to prevent it from getting more worse infected. Also, on head wounds even pretty small nicks and cuts bleed a lot, you may want to place a bandaid on such.

>>2727680
https://www.garagegrowngear.com/products/first-aid-pouch-by-space-bear-bags

>>2730341
thanks, king

>>2726994
The viper bite kit does fuck all. Almost all of our over the counter meds are placebo.
t. finnish paramedic

Get something you're actually gonna carry with you. I guarantee you none of these larpers with fucking tweezers and chest seals actually take it /out/, or go /out/ altogether.
If I thought I needed something more than a T-shirt and the stuff I have kicking around in my car, I'd make the following kit.
>2 rolls of cheap unsterile gauze
>a sharpie with a meter of duct tape rolled around it
>a space blanket or two, depending on where you are and the time of the year
>chocolate bar unironically
>a few loose prep pads
>a triangular bandage maybe, but not one of those tissue paper sterile packaged ones
If you really wanna larp, throw in a tourniquet, pressure bandage, ampule of NaCl and a sterile scalpel.

>>2730679
>muh larp
>tweezers bad
>chocolate good
>says others don't go /out/
lol

>>2730688
>carries tweezews with him in case of spwintews le ticks that hecking give you the science lyme disease
xd

>>2730693
>t. never had tick fever, has never been /out/, is convinced ticks don't exist

>>2730674
>Almost all of our over the counter meds are placebo.
Dang, makes you wish that we had similair "order a preppers home pharmacy kit online, prescribed by a real doctor" services as they do have in USA.

>>2727541
>OP isn't very likely to need it, but if he does, he's probably fucked if he doesn't have one.
And if he doesn't need it, but panicks and uses it, he's also fucked.
Tourniquets have their place in stopping multipenetrative or amputative wounds, so if you're carrying a gun, riding a bike or hiking in a place where there may be mines left from the last war, carrying one makes sense.
But if you apply them and don't get to help within a couple hours at most, or if you overtighten them, the limb you put them on is pretty much gone.
Imagine panicking over a minor cut that a pressure dressing would stop just fine, putting the tourniquet on and losing your arm for it. That sort of thing could well happen to some of the larpers here.

>>2730850
>And if he doesn't need it, but panicks and uses it, he's also fucked.
Not really

There is essentially no risk of ischaemic injury to nerves or other tissues if a tourniquet is left on for less than 2 hours, and even up to 6 hours there remains a strong chance of saving the limb (although surgery may be necessary and as you approach 6h the risk of at least some permanent complications increase). There has even been one case where a chopper pilot was shot in the wrist, had a tourniquet left in place for 16 hours and the eventually regained near-normal function in the hand, enough that they were back in cockpit by the end of it (that is admittedly a bit of a medical miracle though).

You're not wrong to say that tourniquets are dangerous if they're used unnecessarily but that's a reason to go out and get training, not a reason to avoid carrying one. Stop The Bleed courses are free in most areas and Wilderness First Aid courses are worthwhile for anyone who goes /out/ regularly.

And hell, if some anon overreacts and puts a tourniquet on unnecessarily only to realise that medical care is more than 2h away then he can just take it off again (assuming he does so within an hour). At the very least the tourniquet will have given him some time to properly dress and bandage the wound without pouring blood everywhere.
That said, never remove a tourniquet once it has been left in place for more than an hour. After that point toxins can build up in the injured limb which may cause a cardiac arrest if released. Losing the limb is better than losing one's life.

Do any of you carry Potassium Permanganate? If so, what for?

>>2731149
Nah

>>2727541
if op thinks an extremity hemorrhage is the most likely thing he'll come across and is the first item on his make believe shopping list, there is not a strong enough way to express how retarded op is

>>2726782
>snake bite medication
I'm now 100% convinced this is bait