It's overpriced and poorly designed but you have to stick with it because nothing else has any software support
YeBut they are comfy and versatileUsing one as a USB HID to bot in a video game that has some anti cheat that swallows virtual inputs
>>100328732They were visionary, but when they started making money most of the initial meaning behind them was lost. Story as old as time. Now you're better off getting a chromebook for the purpose that was intended honestly.
its funny cos even the rpi doesnt have full software support for all the codecs supported by the propertary videocore engine
>>100328732>overpricedunfortunately its the most reasonable.
>>100329061should be $20 not 80
>>100328732Why wasn't there any popular clones. I mean look how basic it is.
>>100329123that just barely pays the cost for the USED server ram of the same quantity.
>>100329123They were like $20-$30 in the beginning, and just got more and more expensive over time. Now they're just ridiculously priced.They should work on getting them cheaper again, probably not $20 but their goal should at least make them cheaper than $40.
>>100329191even not in chink shit?
>>100329191No video drivers means linux will run like ass making it only usable for the most basic command line stuff which is why 99.99999% of rpi are dust collectors in first place.
>>100329191Because the software/libraries for the RPi's GPIO is super streamlined so that you don't have to worry about the inner sys calls made to control the GPIO. Whereas you can't/don't get that type of easy programming with the clones, you'll have to learn how to manually call and handle every pin and group they belong to. The benefit is your code becomes way more cross RPi clone compatible except for maybe needing to change some pinout variables but it'll take longer to develop your code.2bhonest thoughever, if GPIO is your main intention, just get an ESP32 or Pico unless you plan on using the camera interface on the Pi
>>100329123>>100329529>anon found out what is inflationlol lmao
>>100328732>poorly designedwhat's in it poorly designed? Go ahead tell me
>>100331448no power button
>>100331455show me power button on ur motherboard :^)
>>100328807Have any of you tried UmbrelOS on it? how well does it perform on it. And how good is it generally?
>>100328820>but when they started making money most of the initial meaning behind them was losti.e. when corpos realised they could buy them by the boatload as cheap thin clients, leaving none for the hobbyists and actual schoolchildren it was initially intended for
>>100328732Rasberry is indeed overpriced, chink boards mog it look at picrel , banana pi orange pi rock pi are all better and powerful
>>100332120Nothing like being obsolete on release.
>>100332120what kernels do those run? 5.x?
>>100328820>they started making money most of the initial meaning behind them was lostmany such cases
>>100331665There have been motherboards with power buttons.
>>100328732I keep mentioning the Rock64 to an audience that is mostly indifferent. Mainline Linux Support, can build and run the u-boot boot loader from source. On board video is supported by the open source Lima driver. All other hardware runs fine under linux with open source drivers. No one is interested in developing for it. Pine64 has moved on. It's crazy to me.
>>100331434>implying this increase is anywhere in line with inflation
>>100332120>>100332304It's all in the marketing tbtbh. rpi sales pitches hard to normies. Few ascend to neckbeard level where they are exploring more about the tech. Most are just copying projects the see online and then it all gets shelved.The chinese companies are autistic or something. They don't tell anybody about shit they make. Somebody has to discover on aliexpress from random sellers called Best Home Good Shop or something.
>>100328732you could put a picture of anything with this text
>>100331842You kidding me? They suck as thin clients. You can get a much better one for the same price>>100328732My pi zero has no support
>>100332304It crashes and sucks like everything rock 64 makes
>>100332304can I turn it into a kodi box tho?
>>100329123>>100329529They cost more than $20 to make you poor retarded children.
>>100333077No it doesn't you faggot shill.
>>100328732Just use x86, faggot.
>>100332304it's absolutely stomped by the raspberry pi 4, let alone the 5the mainline support is very nice, thoughat this point, intel's low power processors are pretty impressive and if you're doing basic computer/desktop/server/thin client stuff, probably a better choice
>>100333034I have over 30+ of them (1 gig models). the software used to be buggy but it no longer is. If you still have stability issues, there was some issue with the RAM chips they used (I think it was most prevalent on the 4 gig models). You can mitigate it by adjusting the RAM frequency as stated in this thread:https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=11209That said i've never had to do this myself on any of my boards. Although i'm only using 8 of them. The rest were for a project that fell through.>>100333046I'm using Kodi (Libre Elec) on mine. Use it with PlexKodiConnect to access my Plex library. Runs fine.
>>100333190Would you still buy them with x86 computers being as cheap now?
>>100333129>it's absolutely stomped by the raspberry pi 4, let alone the 5Oh absolutely. It was released to compete against the Raspberry Pi 3, but upon release the software fucking sucked. As more time has passed, the fact that it is using basically the same hardware as the Pine Phone means it has benefited greatly from the advances on that platform. I want to say one of the big motivating factors to reverse engineering the Mali drivers (closed source version of Lima) was the brief popularity the Pine Phone enjoyed. Just recently there was an issued with one of the few OS's that somewhat support the Rock64. There's a u-boot bug that makes it so the video glitches out when there's high memory activity. Now because it can run open source u-boot, it was a simple matter of patching a file, recompiling, and flashing it to the right part of the SD card.But yes, the Pi 4 and Pi 5, absolutely demolish it nowadays.
>>100333213if I could get it sub $12? Sure. I only paid $20 per board when I got them. Assuming I needed a small form factor/low power consumption. Otherwise, no not really. Cheap X86 will demolish anything ARM.
>>100333282Thanks. I wanted one but it had so many problems that I didn't want to try. The pi was way simpler to understand it's limits. The pine phone any good for that matter since it's related to this? I watch videos of it occasionally to laugh.
>>100333336Not at all. Even though the hardware is actually well supported under Linux, I think it still can't make/receive phone calls reliably in TYOOL 2024. The hardware itself I think is also very buggy? I remember there was a keyboard case they made that ended up shorting itself out the minute you connected power to the phone with the case still attached.
>>100333100Then why don't you go make them yourself and sell them for less than they do and make tons of money?
Why not just de-case a steam deck
>>100333756I have a gf I'm busy. Other companies do.
>>100332367dude that didn't count the chip makers inflation like crisis and production cost lmao after Yellow Fly (aka Batu Sup Virus, aka COVID) it pupm the fucking prices for all electronics
>>100332120>banana pi orange pi rock piJust checked ur CCP injected crap and it's all pricey even more than RPI... what u talking about?
>>100335829Orange pi zero 3 is $30 and supported by armbian
this little fucker is my best friend
>>100335829orange pis are always half the price of an equivilantly specc'd raspberrythe oPi5 might seem more expensive but it's also more than twice as powerful with more connectivity than the rPi5, an oPi4 is more in line with an rPi5 and costs almost half the price on average
>>100328807What is the point of running a bot in game? Why not just fucking play the game.
>>100329123A rpi zero 2w is 20euro here.
>>100336726Autistic sociopaths like feeling superior to normal people
>>100336754Really sad if you need to feel superior in a game
>>100328732It was designed to be used by British school children as a cheap way to get into computing. it was never meant for you retards to use as a daily driver.
>>100332259Yeah, it runs stolen from Android and drastically modified with Chinese binary blobs kernel. You can't use any distro you want, only "official" ones which are uploaded to GOOGLE DISK and are forks of 2 year old Ubuntu or debian.Wanna install zfs? No you can't just use version from Ubuntu repos. You need to download modified by Xi deb package again, from their google disk.I regret so much I bought this shit. I was hyped up and wanted to have toy kubernetes cluster from 3 of these orange pis, but fr I should not waste time and just build single normal x86 server. Never buy chinese sbcs for home server, anon
>>100328732What are you even doing on a SBC if you don't need to use the physical IO?Intel NUCs blow this thing out of the water
n100 mini pc's out perform a pi5 and are basically on par price wise when you factor in case, psu and nvme etc for desktop/server use. The gpio argument only pops up from pedants but in honestly you can do the vast majority of that with arduino/teensy boards and dont need the processing or can off load to the network.
>>100332367>thinking that prices increase uniformily across all goods, services, and commodities and that this simple rate can be trivially applied to something with the extreme supply chain complexity and diverse labor and expertise requirements as an advanced computer. lmao?
>>100337437>Never buy chinese sbcs for home serverNever but them for anything.>>100332120Now show the same table, but for software and OS compatibility.
Meanwhile Arduino remains king>well documented>runs well for what it is>cheap as fuck>vast amount of clones>huge amount of modules make prototyping easy, you can build whatever you want>teaches kids C, the superior language>has been going for almost 20 years now
>>100332304>Mainline Linux SupportFor a chip released in 2016, and which had NO support for most of its useful lifetime, that's a fucking joke.
>>100335907How much is the real Pi Zero?I bought my Zero W for £8 when it was new.
>>100328807Are you a TF2 player by chance?
>>100332367Holy shit this guy is retardedIt’s like a 19 year old baby taking a google seatch result as gospel
Now show me one with extensive documentation on webhosting on one
>>100333077Learn what economy of scales is you stupid uneducated nigger.
>>100337949They seem to start at 16€, but the orange pi has ethernet, better processor and more ports
>>100338146>the orange pi has ethernetSo they can't even steal a name properly?
>>100337932>thread about SBCs>anon butts in with his ArduinoYou're not wrong but at least have some awareness dude.
Managed to snag used pi1 for $15. It's good enough to run gemini server if you turn off xorg.
>>100337437you may be lucky, they are so popular that they are going to get mainline support soon, collabora (i know, i know) has a project working on that
>>100331842I doubt any corpos would buy them for that. They would prefer to buy complete systems from vendors that have warranties for the entire device. What's more likely is their investor tightened the reigns
>>100338947Not even the GPU works. Last time I checked, basic things like power management weren't working.
>>100331091You're that faggot who just likes to say "GPIO" everytime someone mentions rpi. In reality it's more like >>100330514, where a large portion of the userbase thought they were techy enough to come up with cool projects but got scared away by the big bad command line. Really it's a weirdly marketed product because it's an internal component that's pushed as some sort of easy button device for the casual end-consumer. Like "let's make mobos cool again!" Most people are just googling the projects of others that have gone viral so they can ape them for cool points
>>100338970it did start recently if i recall correctly, so give it time i guessdidnt rpi4 take a ton of time to have a proper graphic driver?
>>100336726Lets you LARP as a top 0.001% player, which I imagine feels a lot better than losing all the time.
>>100328732>Still no RISC-V64 optionI sleep.
>>100332734>The chinese companies are autistic or something. They don't tell anybody about shit they make.They tend to prefer working through other companies for end-user sales and marketing while they just focus on being a supplier
>>100339130>it did start recently if i recall correctlyYou recall incorrectly, see pic.https://gitlab.collabora.com/hardware-enablement/rockchip-3588/notes-for-rockchip-3588/-/blob/main/mainline-status.mdLiterally nothing image-related works.>didnt rpi4 take a ton of time to have a proper graphic driver?It had day one fully working GPU. Mainlining took a bit, with HDMI merged in kernel 5.10 and 3D driver merged in 6.0.
>>100338289I genuinely struggle to think of what to use a zero for, it just seems too weak and limited in connections
For me? It's Le Potato
>>100332367when the raw material suppliers up their costs it's unfortunate that the customers will have to cop it in the end product. it's a supply chain/production costs issue.
>>100339652These always looked cool but I think they never actually worked.>>100339410Dashboard, alarm clock (it can turn your TV on via HDMI), seedbox, PiHole, online radio player, video doorbell, weather station, console emulator up to MegaDrive/SNES, newsreader.
>>100332367>zoomie makes his first google search on inflationLMAO organic food doubled in price
>>100336726Try it.
>>100334437steamdeck is expensive by comparison. I can get 3xrpi5 new for the price of a second hand steamdeck
what's a rpi clone board that's more powerful than a rpi5 and cheaper at same time and runs mainline?
>>100337932>Arduino>cheap as fuck
>>100337949bought mine for £5 but they profiteered the hell out of them
>>100336750and its good for zero things
>>100341097Old pi's that are cheap were also useless. So why complain when they bring out one that is useful?
>>100329123>should beClearly the market disagrees, commie faggot
>>100338012>TF2>anti cheatgood one
>>100338964you don't understandcorpos bought them, slapped a coat of paint and a proprietary distro on them and resold as thin clients
>>100328732Why is device tree and UEFI on ARM so fucking shit?
>>100341153idk, maybe people were hoping we would get MORE performance for LESS money, not slightly more performance for way more money
>>100341242The boomer nerds who made ACPI must have done something right. I don't know what modern nerds have been doing but nobody can tell their head from their ass these days.
>>100341603People are delusional if they think that with all the inflation.
>>100328732>nothing else has any software supportIf you are talking about ARM, yes. But for most purposes these things have been made obsolete by low power x86 boards.
>>100330514I'm sure most of these boards are used for iot shit. This is also why they could increases the price for the 'enthusiasts'.
>>100337437Can't you use armbian instead of chink os?
>>100328732Bought one to run pihole, when that poojitware shit itself too many times dumped it and am running adguard homo, if rusniggers fuck me over I'm switching to pfsense. Bought it when they were cheap, cant imagine paying for one now, thats retarded.
>>100345284Chink boards only run chink OS images and nothing else.The Raspberry Pi is the only board with any semblance of OS choice.
>>100345804I never ran chink OSes on my orange pi, armbian worked just fine. Unfortunately they dropped support for my old model.
>>100339110Retard.
>>100346538>they dropped support for my old modelHow old are we speaking?
>>100345804>Chink boards only run chink OS images and nothing else.and I was feeling bad about alarm dropping mainline for rpi4 like holy shit I have to get a rpi5 now can't live with only longterm kernel
>>100328732The rpi5 would have been perfect if it had a h265 and h264 hardware encoders.Fucking rpi foundation jews.
>>100346724>h265 and h264 hardware encoders.don't care only retards use rpis with displays lmao
>>100346738>video encoders>displaysYou tarded or something?
>>100346638It's an orange pi pc2.
>>100337935while I would have liked for it to have come sooner, saying it's past its useful lifetime is ridiculous. It still makes for a pretty decent/low power Linux server.
>>100336726I sell accounts for moneyt. thirdie
>>100348141how much you make
>>10032912380 USD in 2022 is (roughly) 55 USD in 2012. Now go and compare the specs of a Pi 1 to a Pi 5B.
>>100328732Orangepizero works fine with armbian, with works fine with literally every software usecase I can think of for sbcs
>still no SBC that can run mainline Linux without invoking suicidal ideationAnd you dumb fucks think ARM computers won't totally kill Linux? I'm holding on to my Thinkpads and will be dumpster diving for more.
Can some anon point me in the right direction?I want to automatize lights and maybe some appliances, all within the local network, what is the cheapest thing I can buy so I can attach a 120v relay to turn shit on/off? Wireless 2.4/5 preferablyAlso, there is a cheap single board with sata port/s?
>>100348490you can get a rpi and run nodered with mosquitto for various shit. and get some tasmota compatible hardware, lights, switches etc. maybe some of that sonoff stuff
>>100348532>maybe some of that sonoff stuffthey have wifi light switches, wifi power outlets, relay boards and other stuff. at least some of them are compatible with tasmota. or check tasmota website for device compatibility, they have a large list already
>>100336726Different anon from >>100348141 here>>100348228Did the same thing (botting accounts and selling them) in 2015-2019.Average earning was $3000-4000 a month, but I had several REALLY good months in a row ($20k per month) when the game went viral.I stopped because it fell off at the end, in the last few months I was barely making $1000 a month, even had a $500 month.Funny thing is I put like 5% of my earnings in BTC (at prices near $3-6k during 2017-2018), and that ballooned and now I'm hoping for one more bullrun to get enough to retire
>>100348557>>100348532Damn that's a lot to ingest, but, what you're telling me, its that there is plenty of hardware that can be controller with this "tasmota" like framework wich I suppose is open source and I just need compatible devices or flashable devices so I don't need to re-invent the wheel?I already have a first gen Raspi around, if its still compatible I would use that.
>>100348605>>100348532>>100348557Also thanks anons!
>>100348597how much time did managing all that take from the whole month? daily time spent on that shit or?
>>100348605exactly anon. here's the full tasmota device compatibility list, some 3000+ devices, crazy how much it grew in last yearshttps://templates.blakadder.com/all.htmlsee what you need from each category and search for that shit on ebay or something. sonoff is some cheap chink shit which works with tasmota but whatever you find compatible should do the job.mosquitto is some comms/command protocol, you have the mosquitto server running on rpi and configure devices with accounts and shit. then you use nodered or something to build your setup, got bunch of nodes available for all kinds of shit.
>>100348621picrel is a sonoff relay. writing tasmota should be complicated.basically tasmota works on devices with esp8266 or esp32. if tasmota supports the device means there's a layout for its inputs/outputs so gives you some predefined controls. like RGB bulbs you can send certain mosquitto commands, to light certain colors, or color effects, turn it on/off, read temperatures/pressures this kind of data. you can further use those for for your particular setup. at that hour/temperature start the AC, or stuff like that.
>>100348830>should be complicated.shouldn't be complicated
>>100348624Almost a full time job.The botting itself probably an hour setup a day. Talking to customers, I dedicated like a couple of hours to check messages 2-3x a day (used to respond immediately to all messages but that burnt me out)But the biggest part was marketing.I started a FB group dedicated to the game, posted guides and latest news and stuff, and had alt accounts posting accounts for sale, while deleting posts of other sellers, and also deleting posts about botted accounts getting banned (they did, but my accounts sold didn't since I rolled my own bot, only people who used public bots did), and of course deleting actual spam (people selling rolexes was the most common). Group grew to 20000 members so that was most of the work. Don't think I would've had as many customers without having a huge community where I could secretly curate competitor posts.And my alts also went to other FB groups and FB pages dedicated to the game and just spammed either my FB group link (to grow my community) or posted accounts for sale. Eventually learned which ones were lax and wouldn't ban me on sight.
>>100348994holy shit that indeed sounds like a full time job.
>>100348621also be careful with some of the compatible devices. some are either hard to get into, some require some soldering skills. I had to use thin wires and solder them to pads in picrel for my RGBW bulbs. so maybe check the tasmota details for the devices you plan on getting, they do mention issues if there's any.
>>100336726certain kinds of people only feel satisfied when other people are losing, regardless of whether they themselves are winning, it's called sadism
>>100334437Framework factory-second MoBo, no shucking required
