cozy castles
>>61607339>>61607343>>61607344It's surprisingly difficult to build castles like this in Minecraft.
>>61607343ah, there's the guy taking a shit
>>61607621Apparently this will be in the Kingdom Come Deliverance sequel
>>61607660>contemplate thine aroma, my lord
>>61607338bump
>>61607344How does that guard guy get up and down
>>61612718The stairs.
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>>61612728There's no fucking stairs
>>61612742Of course there are.
>>61612748But where I don't fucking see any
>>61612750Somewhere on the other side of the building to the right.
Thread themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7KMf5e1z58
>>61612718>>61612756there is a door to the battlement
>>61612741Did you build this, anon? It's great! I guess what's hard for me is the scale. I tried to build keeps, but for some reason my subconscious thinks they're supposed to be tiny and I'm disappointed when they turn out too big.
What is the population of a town which would support a castle of that size?
>>61616518'castles' like this are really manor housesa manor was on a demesne which would included a villageprobably 100-200 people in the villagethe rpg harnworld included a sourcebook harnmanor for calculating a demesne
>>61616559Do I get to run inside if I'm a peasant?
>>61616559What was the social hierarchy like? What roles were there? Who was responsible for education? Did everyone go to church on Sundays or did some people stay behind to look after the animals?
>>61614969Holy shit, anon. Thank you for reminding me this book exists. I hadn't thought about it in 30 years.
The book is in Finnish but it contains some cozy castle cutouts and other images, would anons be interested if I scanned and posted this?
>>61616501Yes, I've built all kinds of to scale castles. Here's a Norman keep.
>>61616580no>>61616644>What was the social hierarchy like?Feudalism>What roles were there? Farmers, tradesmen, crafts people, servants, professional soldiers, priests, entertainers, nobles>Who was responsible for education?There were no formal schools yet. It was all done in the family, a wealthy noble might be able to hire tutors, at 7 you'd start an apprenticeship if your family were tradesmen/crafts people, a noble would become a page at that ageYeah you went to church on Sunday, and there was no work on Sundays too. There were also a lot of feast days and saints days too to break up the long days of laboring, people may have actually worked less back then than today because of all those religious days off even with the long hours they did work.
>>61616826surealso,>second half of the 15th century Tutonic style armor
>>61616829This one's fantastic.>to scaleSick.You've inspired to play Minecraft for the first time in a few years.
>>61616644The highest local authority is either going to the be the local priest or the local lord, depending on time and region. One, or both, will collect rents in some manner, which for most people will be paid "in kind", not in money, which is to say as a portion of your produce.Below the priest and local lord, will be any reeves or constables, or professional soldiers the lord employs, and then below them will be people who are skilled in some sort of craft or who are more successful than the others at the normal everyday labors of the community. Lowest in social hierarchy are people who are lazy or stupid.
>>61607344>you'll never shout "come back with a warrant" from your front-door battlements
>>61616830>There were no formal schools yetBy the late middle ages (which iirc is when those kind of cozy scottish tower castles were from) it was common for local priests to give some basic education to local boys. The rate of literacy was increasing in that time even if it was just signature literate. Britain went hard into education in the early modern period with Adventure Schools (in Scotland) and Grammar Schools (in England/Wales) which gave a full classical education to gifted boys from poor backgrounds (with Shakespeare and Robert Burns being classic examples). It's a little shaky to say that's the entire reason Britain had steam engines and factories when the most advanced French and German technology was banging rocks together but I'd definitely think it loudly.
>>61617082>You've inspired to play MinecraftI do these in survival so they take an insane amount of time just landscaping the ground and gathering stone.
>>61617515with a smouldering matchlock in your arms
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>>61616644Education was basic but most people didn't need much more than knowing the basics.Churches and monasteries would often be the ones doing the teaching as a part of the services they provided in recompense for the tide given the Church.It als helped them spot any particularly bright students that would make good priests/monks/scolars ect. Most of the common folk that rose to positions of power and influence did so within the Church.We know that peasants in western Europe during the middle and late middle ages know their letters and numbers because we have accounts, legal agreements and court "documents" (scribbling on bits of parchment) written by them. Oh and their favorite thing to do whenever they revolted was to go burn tax records and the like. Most people went to Mass not just on Sundays but other days too. There would also be Masses held at different times of the day in larger population centers.In rural areas Sunday Mass was also the weeks social event.Not everyone attended Mass tough and it certainly wasn't mandatory but you'd get strange looks if you didn't.Shepard where often buried with a bit of sheep's wool. To proof to Saint Peter that they where shepards and so couldn't attend Mass on account of having to care for their flok.
>>61616644Regular people had more dyed clothing than the movies would have you believe, that's one thing that'd shock most people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAMbRt5eI8&pp=ygUXcGxvd21hbiBnZXR0aW5nIGRyZXNzZWQ%3D
>>61618729Also that the thread count for many fabrics used in medieval clothing was often higher than for modern clothing, making them more durable. Mostly because the thread count in modern fabrics has been reduced to increase ease of manufacture with machines, while a manual loom could more easily manage the slight increase in complexity in the hands of a professional.As such, mending and re-dyeing your clothes for years was far cheaper and more practical than buying new clothes (while also having them look "new" for far longer). It's one of those things that's unfortunately disappeared due to the sacrifices made to facilitate mass production and fast fashion.
>>61612718the perspective is kinda wonky but I think the walkway continues behind the house on the right.
lived pretty close this little fort for a couple years, not really a castle but i like to imagine a small keep, or even just a house within these walls would be pretty comfy
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>>61619090>>61619095I really like late antiquity/early middle ages.especially hill forts and earthen walls.
>>61619103Isekai town?
Raid bug spray before Raid bug spray was a thing. A fort overlooking approaches to Omiš, scanning for roaches that thought highly of themselves that particular day.All of them were squashed and Omiš never fell.
>>61619133based on thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Sarum
>>61607339>>61607343There must be a name for the visual (nonsexual) fetish for cutaways like this. I have it. Esp when cutaway is a different colour.
>>61618813>unfortunately disappeared due to the sacrifices made to facilitate mass production and fast fashionBuy better brands. I have t-shirts I wear regularly that I bought over a decade ago.The main problem with medieval clothing was the significant investment in time and effort it took to makehttps://youtu.be/3JKhhtoe9v4
>>61612801MORE WOOD IS NEEDED>>61616518To add to >>61616559, an English village typically had around 30 households of 5 or 6 men, women and children each, so that's 150 to 200. A manorial holding however could encompass more than one village. The castle shown in OP is slightly bigger than a towerhouse, the smallest fortified "castle" for the smallest manor owned by the poorest knights, but not by much. I'd say perhaps 60 such households, or 300 inhabitants, covering land of about 900 acres is about right.
>>61612801I will tear down your castle... stone by stone if I have to, but I will have your head.
>>61618049I saw you posting updates of this one in mcg, grats on finishing it anon.Really impressive to be making all of these in survival
>>61618729The thing about the medieval dyes is that they were fairly limited in colors (for poor people since several colors were expensive) and most clothes would have faint color since natural dyes run easily and fade quickly.So the purple hood is unlikely and the overwelming aesthetic of the 14th century would be palewave twinks (due to the average age of the population)
>>61616826I eagerly await.
>>61614969This is childhood nostalgia distilled into visual form. I picked up this book from a local library around Thanksgiving for three years straight in middle school.
>>61616834Poleaxe my beloved.
Anyone have one of those inner-cutout diagrams of what the castle of a motte&bailey would look like? Not the whole thing, just the keep.
>>61620301Head Ploughman is a step above the average man.
>>61619454>Really impressive to be making all of these in survivalIt's boring otherwise. I do a lot of exploring and cave diving in between grinding.
BLESSED BREAD
>>61607339>>61607343where's the shitter?
>>61627059>shitterMight be the little closet where a guy is sitting in the second pic, next to the dining room.The more luxurious ones might have had a door, or at least a curtain, or something.
Vgh, vvhat once vvas...
Visited Urquhart Castle about two weeks ago, wish I could have seen it in its prime
>>61607338Based Scottish castleanon. I love the simple ones as well.Post Lochore castle.
>>61619095>>61619090wtf is this? Pre-Roman brit or something? Lots of weird features.
>>61618049Based on Bodmin Castle?
This thread is too good to let die. Wish I had more castle images to contribute.
>>61627781Yeah
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>>61627754Celtic
>>61629715they have to cozy sized manors not xbox hueg towns>>61631534
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>>61631649>>61631656>A degree of comfy previously thought unobtainable
>>61631649I dont think it would be bare like that, I think there would be other structures - barn, stable, servant quarters, maybe a wall - and maybe even a nearby village
>>61616830>people may have actually worked less back then than todayNo, no they didn't.You have no comprehension of how ridiculously easy your life is in comparison.
it probably sucks by modern standards but imagine being some medieval guard or soldier and all you have to do is stand on a wall, lean on your polearm and enjoy the view all day, maybe wave to some peasants or tell a bum to move alonglike an ancient mall cop
>>61631749on days they worked they would have indeed labored from sun up to sun down, but this wasn't for a solid 6 days straight
>>61631810you'd probably be doing stuff around the manor and estate
>>61631881it was a solid 6 days straight, and during the winter you still work because there are ditches to dig, firewood to gather, livestock to tend.
>>61632013you gathered the wood before winter
>>61631656>cellar and kitchen>great hall and more kitcehn>bedroom>master bedroom and another bedroom>loft bedroomyou dont need anything else
>>61631881Yes it fucking was. There's always shit to do. You can't just go to Ye Olde Wal*Mart because you forgot to milk your cows and churn your butter.There's a reason why manors had tons of servants up until the 20th century.
reconstruction of the german castle ruin Flossenbürg
>>61631749Easy isn't good. Anyone who'd rather be force fed plastic food in a hamster cage than cut wood is less than an animal.
>>61633098This analogy is nonsensical.FSee me after class.
>>61620301Mind, the whole thing with colors in the medieval period is most of the home-made dyes don't last very long. But fabric dyed by an actual dyer would last longer, since professional dyers would have had better access to and knowledge of mordants that fix dyes to the material of the cloth. Not all of the clothing would've been very faded either, you would have a mix of old, more faded and worn clothing with newer, brighter clothing as people replaced them cyclically. Another thing to keep in mind is you can GET a purple using combinations of dyes, it's not that purple by definition was an expensive color. Specifically "Tyrion Purple" is an extremely expensive color. The purple in that hood is mostly blues, and would be a fairly attainable color in the 1300s.
>>61631649>>61631656eye sho my private parts to your auntis you silly english knigts
Since Anon is talking dyes, I thought I would drop this page in to be helpful.And to teh larger question of quality of life...There are tradeoff tos everything, but overall we are much more fortunate to be living now (as long as you are not posting from a blighted 3rdworld ghetto). Just the fact that we have working medicines and vaccines against various plagues that allow children to live to adulthood 9/10 times would seem like the direct intervention of God to a person from the Middle Ages.
Real heads know
>>61631717>7' thick walls>surrounded by water on 3 sides>no firewood nearby>bitterly cold winters>One (1) fireplaceYeah, no, it would've been a shit place to be during winter months. Otherwise, nice pic.
>>61633762Don't be a wuss. Put up some tapestries and put a woman in the bed you big baby.
>>61633496Real ones have seen the movie.
>>61619090Love these kinds of forts with the curtain wall and a central cylindrical tower, always reminds me of Storm's End from when I was a nerdy fantasyfag.
>>61633762>One (1) fireplaceYou can see 3 chimneys and two of the fireplaces.>7' thick walls made great insulation.
>>61633762those walls would provide ample insulationI count 3 chimneys
>>61633098>sent from my iPhone 14
>>61614969what book was this from? I remember it.
>>61634191>>61634313Stone walls are thermal mass, not insulation. Once you heat them up it will stay the same temperature throughout the day and night, but you need to be able to put in more heat than it loses. If the average yearly temperature is less than about 65 it's probably not very comfy in there.
>>61634141This nigger knows what he's talking about. Women were the world's first space heaters.
>>61636020they had xbox hueg ovens in kitchens back then
>>61633496New way things work and building big were goated
>>61631881this is just bullshit that commies made up now, like yeah maybe the peasants didnt spend the whole day on the field everyday but they had a fuckton more hard shit to do that we don't need to do now thanks to easily accessible stuff and machines that help us do chores
>>61639377>communists try to make feudalism sound good
>>61639229That's still an unbelievably large number of logs per year even if they had lots of large ovens. I think the whole thing is prob exaggerated a bit.
>>61639781which is weird, since feudalism was a system which revolved around personal relationships and personal responsibility, so it was basically the furthest from communism that a system can be.
>>61639781its more about how capitalism is unatural or some shit like that. they dont even mention just feudalism but also go back to like antiquity and even pre history
>>61639781>>61640283but i guess yeah they do end up making feudalism sound good but i guess its just not a commie thing but also just any "industrial revolution/capitalism is the worst thing in the world" person
>>61640292https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRce8HzHuoM>>61631540please be more specific, there are a lot of peoples that get lumped into the category of "celtic" ranging from what is now northern Spain to France to the british isles.
>>61640133>ownership of the means of production and worker self management would negate personal responsibilitywut>>61640324>please be more specifichttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brochhttps://www.thebrochproject.co.uk/>Spainyou'd have to be a bit of a neckbeard to invoke the celtiberians
Can we get some spanish colonial style? I've always thought they were very comfy. Maybe I'm biased since I live in Florida
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>>61640627>you'd have to be a bit of a neckbeard to invoke the celtiberiansi will do it not because im a neckbeard but because im from a place where lots of them existed
>>61640627>wutcommunism is pretty much defined by its elevation of the abstract notion of a community over individuals in value judgements. >you'd have to be a bit of a neckbeard to invoke the celtiberiansI shave it daily, but if you're also enough of a neckbeard to just say "celtic" in this context I'm not going to discount the possibility that was what you meant.
>>61640715This is neat. Like a missing link between the castles of yore and star forts.
>>61640627>wutPost gun with timestamp
>>61632013>gathering firewood in winterLiterally ngmi at that point
>>61641110they didn't stock ALL their winter consumables in the preceding months, anon, it's not possiblethey had to eke out their winter supplies with forage, and firewood is abundant in winter
>>61633458>Stephen Biestythe real GOAT
>>61627699Urquhart is really picturesque, I agree
>>61641221Stocking firewood for winter is the easiest thing in the universe. If you can count, you can do it.
>>61641348do you have enough cash on hand to stock food and fuel for the next 4 months?it's a matter of allocation of effort in the preceding months. it was difficult enough in those days to lay up enough food, let alone firewood, which again is abundant in winter.
>>61641221>trying to burn wet wood
>>61641437>he doesn't know how to gather dry wood, or how to dry wood out
>>61633762>>no firewood nearbythey wouldn't use firewood they'd use peat which is longer and hotter burning than wood. Also the smell of a peat burning fire is the olfactory version of being wrapped in a massive blanket. many old fashioned sayings of the hebredians are about wishing someone to have lots of peat.
>>61641448That sounds really pleasant.However, as a layman when it comes to organic soils, isn't this super wasteful?To be able to burn this soil it must be super rich with nutrients and carbon. Seems like something you'd only do as a luxury, or when you don't have other options. Doesn't seem sustainable in the long term either. Maybe you could do it a couple decades before you've stripped the land of available and viable burning soil.
>>61641466You'd certainly think so, but the Celts did it constantly for like thousands of years and it's only now that it's expensive. It was actually the "poor man's heat" for most of history.
>>616413701. I have a year's food supply and 100 gallons of water in my basement. At the extreme end of need, you can get what you need to survive for a couple of dollars a day. 2. How long do you think it actually takes a man to prepare a cord of wood with hand tools?
>>61641485I've never smelled burning peat (have lived in southern Great Plains all my life), but now I'm very curious. For me an olfactory "warm blanket" is a coffee shop or smoking hickory wood chips. I'm curious if I'll like the smell of peat more than that.
>>61612718He doesn't, he was born here.
>>61641348You can grow crops, make hay, and collect firewood in summer. Which of those can you do in winter?
>>61614969was waiting for this one tbqh
>>61616834>looses to Poland
>>61641518>I havegood for youon my part, I have a hefty amount of savings, which in this day and age amounts to the same thingmy point however is that most people did not even have that much. the story of the Middle Ages is mainly about the struggle to achieve consistent (or any) surpluses so that civilisations could develop and grow, regardless of shitty harvests, plague and war>How long do you think it actually takes a man to prepare a cord of wood long enough if you want to gather enough for cooking and for heating in winter, however once again, the main problem is the opportunity cost of gathering wood in autumn when you could have been harvesting food>with hand toolsdid you know that at one point the lack of metal tools for making blades, from shovels to axes, was a significant drag factor on agricultural yield?
>>61641561Never had a peaty scotch?
>>61641886>the main problem is the opportunity cost of gathering wood in autumn when you could have been harvesting foodwhich is why people lived in an extended community in which some people were foresters harvesting wood, some were charcoal burners, some were farmers harvesting crops, some were butchering surplus cattle they wouldn't keep through winter, etc
>>61641998> people lived in an extended community the manorial system was virtually a necessity just to survive. it didn't fix the problem, which is how entire villages could still die out from a bad harvest. the synergistic benefits from the specialisation you describe only provided a few % extra yield in planting and harvesting food, repairing infrastructure, etc.eventually the gains would snowball and create towns, cities, states, civilisations, yes. but in between and on the edges, people still lived on the brink. so putting up as much food as possible remained a priority. fuel as well, don't get me wrong, but they knew they could still gather a certain amount in winter.
>>61641466Its my understanding that, peat, despite being nutrient rich, is actually a poor soil for agriculture. Beyond the poor soil, most peat bogs are upland areas or generally areas with little shelter from the weather, so its harder for crops to grow. Most of these areas are instead used for sheep farming where the sheep can roam and graze freely
>>61641686>He thinks growing crops is like age of empires staring at the ground willing it to turn into carrotsImagine thinking you don't have a single day to cut firewood before it starts fucking snowing.
>>61641886>good for youYou started the "wut about U" bullshit, nigger.>long enoughGive me a number I dare you. Fucking weasel. I knew you didn't fucking know. I fucking knew it. You didn't even have the dignity or good sense to look it up.>did you know that at one point the lack of metal tools for making blades, from shovels to axes, was a significant drag factor on agricultural yield?If you cant get an axe by hook or by crook in an entire fucking year you deserve what you get.
>>61642488>You started the "wut about U" bullshitit's not a gotcha, stop being so sensitive, faggot>Give me a number I dare youfinein my experience, it's easily half a day's work with just an axe>you deserve what you getleaving aside the question of whether one "deserves" it, it is a recorded fact that iron was scarce enough in Norman England at least that agricultural tools were split into iron-tipped and non-iron-tipped (usually all-wooden) implements, e.g. iron-bladed shovel vs. wooden shovel; iron-rimmed wagon wheel vs. wooden wheel, etc.rage and froth all you want, these are factual historical constraints which were relevantnow fuck off, you ignorant insignificunt pissant.
>>61629715The real thing looks better imo
>>61633098I don't really believe that medieval life was all that good either.Like, Dante wrote about a forest in Hell, where every tree is the soul of someone who killed himself. I feel like you need some baseline familiarity with despair to come up with something like that.
>>61642658>you need some baseline familiarity with despair to come up with something like that.t. clearly unfamiliar with the emo teenage girl plague of the early 00s
>>61642960Teenagers experience constant despair.
>>61607344>tfw you slip backwards and die by cracking your skull on the stairs below.
>>61641837What is that? How did they get a huge glass orb up there?
HEYpost more small castles denseprotectedcomfycozyshow me a condensed castlea castle reduction the distillation of a larger volume of castle
>>61641466Peat comes from high-acidity bogs, not the soil they'd grow food in.
>tiny caestles>smol und cozy
>>61644657That's the Moon you idiot
>>61642515>it's easily half a day's work with just an axeNot the anon you're agruing with but I don't think you've ever harvested a cord of wood with an ax in your life lmao.
>>61644768>ywn read stories to your catgirl granddaughters by the fireplace in the grand library of your castle what's the point of living
>>61632718Some indoor plumbing, more windows, and air conditioning would be nice, though. And electricity. And Internet. And probably a fridge, freezer, gas stove, microwave, dishwasher, laundry machine ...
>>61644815>what's the point of livingTo make catgirl daughters
>>61642627It really is unfair how beautiful places like that are. Probably inconvenient and claustrophobic to live there, but to just look at it, makes you wish every city or town had at least some of that beauty.
>>61618049Still honestly a great game, I can always pick it up again and play it for a few weeks. Nothing compares to how fresh it felt in 2010-2011 though
>>61644783Bullshit, the moon is white, not gold. Is this some kind of art project? Maybe a lighthouse?
Have mercy!
>>61641448Very cozy pic. I do love the smell of a good peat fire, warming my hands on a nice cup of Barry’s.Technically with the filename though they aren’t really digging: they’re cutting the peat with a tool called sleán.>they'd use peat which is longer and hotter burning than wood.I’m not sure about hotter, but it was definitely longer burning and will smoulder for ages, especially if you have a lot of it. It’s can also take a while to get started sometimes. From that perspective, it’d make sense to have only a handful of much larger fireplaces, than if you were burning wood. Just keep it smouldering and add some turf whenever you need.>>61641466At least in Ireland, you can’t really grow most crops in the bog. In boggy areas like Connemara they mostly raise sheep, even to this day. Farmers will sometimes burn parts of the bog, so that plants will grow better for a while after.In fact, so little can grow in a bog, in the old days people would bury butter down there to keep it fresh for a long time.>Doesn't seem sustainable in the long term either.Families still cut turf on their land, and have been for generations.Sustainability has only become an issue in modern times, with turf being cut on an industrial scale by machine. In recent years, the government’s been regulating this more and more strictly. Even so, that’s more to do with preserving the ecosystem and unique species of fauna and flora that live in the bog.>>61641561The best description I can really give is very earthy and smoky — it’s quite a nice smell.
Olden warfare was so much less cruel.
>>61612718He has to eat all the eggs
>>61645649Depends on one's definition of cruelty. There was far less being obliterated by a sudden, unseen force which leaves you permanently wound tight, which has produced many of the modern psychological problems we associate with veterans.However, you were far more likely to die a slow, painful death by wounds we now shrug off with ease because medicine was so much less advanced, and it's far less personal for most soldiers than it used to be. I no longer need to bash you in the face repeatedly with a mace and watch as your head becomes increasingly less human, your breathing more labored, and your pitiful pleas for mercy steadily become less coherent and less human.
>>61646031Nailed it
>>61646031That could happen in any American ghetto nowadays
>op posts small cozy castles>most people respond with xbox hueg castles and walled towns
>>61642658Dante's inferno is massively overrated. Chaucerchads rise up.
>>61646176I'm sorry anon, I don't have many castle images period, and certainly not many comfy or cozy ones.
>>61644657seconding this>>61645564and this as wellwe need answers!
>>61607649comfiest ITT
>>61646176Want a smol castle?Here have one.
>>61647386>21st century urban dazzle camo
>>61607338best thread in the catalog
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>>61607338have you ever been in stone interiors with high ceilings? it's far from comfy even with modern appliances
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>>61647550Here, have another
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what sort of qt would live with you in manors such as these?
>>61649176not fortified enough>>61649208outdoorsy types and horsegirls
>>61645649During the French civil war of the early 15th century, one of the side had the habit of bearing a white band across their torso as a sign of recognition. The other side then had a habit of flaying that part of skin of the prisoners they captured, sometimes in the thousands.Similarly, one of the leaders was once hacked to bits, each of the six bits was then send to each one of six close family members.So no, olden warfare was not so much less cruel.
>>61644783There's no way you could make a castle big enough to fit the moon on top, dumbass
>>61645649Never read up on the Thirty Years' War
>>61635934Stephen Bietsy's incredible cross sections Just getting it for my kids - I loved it when I was a kid lol
>>61649227>outdoorsy types and horsegirlselaborate>>61649251https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caedite_eos._Novit_enim_Dominus_qui_sunt_eius.
>>61612718He climbs through the window.
>>61649227>not fortified enoughthe walls are high enough to require doors through them
>>61649430the garden wall is merely a livestock fence, barely an obstacle; two men could boost each other up over it easilybut actually I was referring to the lack of protected firing positions>>61649295>>61635934that picture is not Biesty's workstyle totally differentpicrel is>>61649338>elaboratedislikes the city, feels it's too cramped and crowded; idea of a good time isn't a bar or cafe or shopping but hiking and camping; plans weekend trips innawoods and annual trips to Kilimanjaro or Everest Base Camp or (insert local highest mountain) instead of Paris or Kyoto or Seoul; drools over camping kit as much as handbags (or more); etc.ultimately one's interests are defined by how one spends one's leisure timehorsegirls I don't know first-hand but I gather they're a specialised subset of the same
>>61649251Olden warfare was less cruel than modern peace.
>>61649493people like that didn't exist back then
>>61649962I thought you meant>who'd live in a manor house with you today
>>61616834That's just german gothic armour. Prussia did not invent it nor produce much of it, if at all.>>61641868>Some german knights out on adventure vs two actual statesEmbarrassing that it was even a fight desu
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>>61649151>the shitter just opens to the outsideNo wonder disease was rampant back then.
>>61650551Muh dick
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>>61650561I swear I've seen this in a spy movie. Daniel Craig's Casino Royale, maybe?
>'ate Picts >'ate Saxons>luv usurper Emperors >simple as
>>61652166a janny dug it up regularly
>>61652641They are based for doing this, but the design sure is boring.
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>>61649208The Jewess from Tangled, but 40 years younger and I keep her locked up in there constantly pregnant like a cow
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>>61649208an evil enchantress imprisoned withinmoat nymphs
Castles satiate the 'tism.
>>61653702What a spread. I wonder how hard it was to build structures like this in locations like that with the tools one had available back then. Presumably you could conscript the local peasants to do the building, so that should at least save you some labor costs, but I still figure trying to build anchor that thing into the rock can't be easy, to say nothing of actually getting materials where you need them.>>61654136Are you the noble knight she tries to seduce to persuade her out, or are you lich-kingmaxxing?
>>61652201>Casino Royalecertainly notI'd know, it's one of my favourite Bond movies
Urquhart Castle is one that I almost want to see restored, at least partially, because it has a nice layout, isn't too big, and showcases both the use of natural water features for defence and the raison d'etre of a castle, i.e. to guard an important waterway
>>61614969>>61635934This I think, I had it in a bigger book with Vikings, Rome and ancient Egypt.
>>61619154>>61624955>>61627667>>61641249>>61655767This might be a silly question but how did these castles usually wind up in their current ruined state? Were they abandoned and simply fell apart due to neglect? Were they destroyed in battle? Were they intentionally demolished to have their materials recycled for use in other building projects?I realize the answer is probably all three, but I'm curious as to what the most common fate of them was.
>>61656470Usually it's the family either died out or went broke, castles are expensive to upkeep especially when they're obsolete , it's sad. There are a few that were destroyed in battle but usually those were built on top of or scavenged so completely that only the dirt itself has signs of what used to be there. The British show Time Team has some really interesting excavations of castles that I'd really recommend.
>>61656470All three.Many were destroyed after being captured, not necessarily after a siege; it was just as common if not more for a castle to be surrendered, whereupon the invading army might choose not to garrison the castle for strategic reasons. In which case to deny its use to the enemy, they would break it up.That is what ultimately happened to Urquhart Castle, for example.Very many also fell apart due to neglect. This is especially common for British castles, because of the RELATIVE lack of war on those islands, other than say the Wars Of The Roses, the English Civil War, and the various Scottish rebellions. These sound like major exceptions, but it's really nothing like Continental Europe, where whatever wasn't destroyed in the Napoleonic Wars was finished off in WW1 and WW2.All buildings decay, all buildings need regular maintenance and upkeep.>https://www.reddit.com/r/AbandonedPorn/top/?t=allLastly, yes, the most common end for many fortifications across Europe, especially city fortifications, was dismantling by local townsfolk for use as building materials. Good masonry is hard to come by after all. In fact some castles were made of recycled bits of old castles. Foundations of ruined old castles were built upon, usable bricks were reused in new walls, and whatever rubble was not reusable was recycled by crushing and used as a filler between the walls of the new castle, which gave it strength, flexibility and resilience.
>>61656097Man i used to have a book like that, it hade castles, tanks, submarines, 18th century ships, cars, you fucking name it and it hade it, everything in a hyper detailed cross section explain alot of functions, book was bigger then most family bibles
>>61656517>castles, tanks, submarines, 18th century shipsmost likely Stephen Biesty's collection
>>61654789i feel like you gotta have a lone tower or something else bleak and imposing to truly lichmaxx, coziness just doesn't fit
>>61654789the former, of course.
>>61642515>it's not a gotcha>oh yeah well do YOUUUUUU have enough to survive winter RIGHT NOW!?!?!?!>"Yes">wtf I wasnt talking about you shut up!>in my experience, it's easily half a day's work with just an axeExcellent, now that you've googled it, you're now maintaining that the average man in medieval times did not have ooooh... a single day between snowmelt and snowfall to do anything other than scream at his barley.What a dumb faggot you are.>it is a recorded fact that iron was scarce enough in Norman England at least that agricultural tools were split into iron-tipped and non-iron-tipped (usually all-wooden) implements, e.g. iron-bladed shovel vs. wooden shovel; iron-rimmed wagon wheel vs. wooden wheel, etc.Which is not actually even within a thousand LIGHTYEARS of suggesting that an average man might go an entire year of trying without ever being able to lay hands on a fucking AXE for a day you disingenuous retard.
>>61657055rage and froth all you want, these are factual historical constraints which were relevantnow fuck off, you ignorant insignificunt pissant.
>>61650111I mean what sort back then
>>61657218>rage and froth all you want, these are factual historical constraints which were relevantNot relevant to the conversation dipshit. Like every pseud you've tried at every turn to generalize and obfuscate and now you throw out canned replies because you've got no more ground to give. Well back off the fucking cliff, then.
>>61657248rage and froth all you want, these are factual historical constraints which were relevant(but I'm not going to tell you why, I'm just going to enjoy your furiously seething ignorance ;)now fuck off, you ignorant insignificunt pissant.
>>61656470This >>61656507In the case for the castle Drachenfels I've posted it is an interesting mixture: - Changing feudal owners, who didn't have the ressources to care for it (or simply didn't care about this fief at all) led to a general state of disrepair. This process lasted well into the 19th centruy until it was bought by the Prussian state.- Battle damage due to the 30 Years War - The defensive works of the castle were slighted in 1634 by the Archdiocese of Cologne (who owned it at this time) to prevent furhter action around the castle - only leaving the already grim residential buildings behind. Pic rel is the only picture of how it once looked.And I know of two other castles which fell into the ownership of ecclesiatical institutions and were simply razed in order to get building material.
>>61607339I used to look at pictures like this for hours as a kid. One of my textbooks in 4th or 5th grade (this was like 1999) had some shit like this. I was mad to go to recess that day.
>>61649160The comfy is derived--sourced, if you will--from a nostalgia not experienced but inherently known. It is a comfy not experienced but inherently known.
>>61657228>reminded that I am landless and maidenlessFuck.
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>>61652201not sure but it certainly was in alot of movies
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bros, i'm confident me and my friends could afford the materials to build this, atleast part of itplenty of my friends are interested in the prospect of living together to share costs and create a small community, and one of my friends has been talking to me about building a traditional style european manor home, which led eventually to sketching this theres a limestone quarry nearby so theres plenty of cheap stone bricks available
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>>61659832>I could afford to build this huge mansion out of stonehe said, on 4chan
>>61660523everyone here is either an unemployed neet incel or a doctorate holder making 6 figures (also an incel)
>>61659832>theres a limestone quarry nearbybut it doesn't belong to you
>>61652650Their rightful place
>>61661966its ok, i have 2 black friends that can take care of that
>>61642627I've been there imagine how shit it must be to live in there your home is literally a tourist haven
>>61662145>imagine how shit it must be to live in there your home is literally a tourist havenif you live there you'd most likely be working in the tourism industry so you'd want them to keep comingif you're born there you're used to itthose not born there might be like my friend who ran away from a bad breakup all the way to the literal other end of the country and opened a restaurant there, i.e. you're looking for a change of scenery
>>61660606Neither could afford to build a stone mansion like the one in the napkin image, you're looking at 20-40 million dollars building it or 5-10 million dollars for materials buts it takes you and ten of your best friends 40 years to put it together. Nobody on this website is building that.There are simple wall designs with a tower or a manor that a single person of normal means could realistically put together in their lifetime but a german fairy castle is not that.
>>61657252>but I'm not going to tell you whyEvery canned response just further reveals how big of a fag you are and how wrong you were from the beginning. Please, continue. Every mindless response you give is a victory.
>>61662231its mostly old as fuck people that live there because their family's are from their
>>61662303its not like i'd be mining out limestone myself and chiseling each block by handif you just view it as a set of brick townhouses surrounding a courtyard built using modern construction methods then it seems more realistic, but you're in the mindset of peasants slaving away to construct 2 meter thick walls painstakingly chiseling out tens of thousands of blocks and lifting several tons of rock using massive manually operated pulleys
>>61662501>a set of brick townhouses surrounding a courtyard built using modern construction methods20-40 million dollarsgood luck anon
>>61662643>20-40 million dollarsnot really, depending on the size>>61662501>a set of brick townhouses surrounding a courtyard built using modern construction methodseven if built in the middle of bumfuck nowhere that will cost a million dollars per townhouse-sized segment, easilyif you can find maybe 16 nuclear families you can form a tic-tac-toe grid of eight towers, maybe connected with a sturdy wall (with firing step), maybe surrounded by barns and two hundred acres of farmlandthe "keep" will cost you 10 million dollars easily, maybe a couple million more for foundationsthe farmland should cost 1 to 2 million dollars, dependinga better question to ask is how does one fortify a townhouse in the city so that it's riot-resistant, like a Scottish towerhouse>t. me, owner of a townhouse in the city
>>61620301Point of order: Woad sets all by itself, and lasts for centuries.
>>61662681this post is more convincing, given that each segment would be approximately 3000-4000 square feet a million would be a fair estimate for eachyou can find land at around 200 acres for much less than a million though, theres plenty of decent farmland listings i've seen that go for around 400-600k
>>61662681>a better question to ask is how does one fortify a townhouse in the city so that it's riot-resistant, like a Scottish towerhouseThorny hedges. Cacti of descending height below windows. Impact resistant windows on lower floors (at least facing street/probably approach angles). Ivies/creeping plants on the walls attached to a firm non-flammable lattice such that incidiaries will not make direct contact. Gravel along outer walls that is audible when stepped on. Various unpleasant to jump into brambles along the outer fence. Blindingly bright spot lights facing outwards. Several large dogs, and one of any size that has exceptional sense of smell. Staffordshire terriers have an uncanny ability to gauge character & intent, for instance. Trees such that obstruct thrown projectiles from street, i.e. such that are not so thick one cannot see through them still, and only allow a narrow opening to the door if they did throw something. A metallic door, or a non-flammable sacrificial covering mounted at an offset from it.
>>61639377They're not communists you baka.
>>61662501Some brick houses in a square is a far cry from the pencil drawing you posted.
>>61667426erase the butresses, simplify the chapel building, and remove the bridge and thats all you havethose features aren't necessarytheres no complex stone masonry going on other than the archways needed for doors and lintels needed for windows
>>61667490the archways themselves would be cast stone or clay brick by the way, so i wouldnt be spending $50 an hour for a stone mason to carve something over the course of a month
The goalposts have moved a long way from "I could totally build this guys" to "if I simplify it to just a bunch of separated modern brick houses and if I can find a small village of people each willing to contribute a million dollars, I could totally build something similar in spirit if wholly divorced in aesthetics and construction".
>>61668531>modernnever said that, just modern construction methodsyou can see from the original idea that its already made up from a set of separated buildings connected together>if I can find a small village of people each willing to contribute a million dollarsyou sound like a seething poor
>>61649251>The other side then had a habit of flaying that part of skin of the prisoners they captured, sometimes in the thousands.gonna need a source there chief
>>61667490>remove the bridgea concrete-sided ditch makes for a good anti-vehicle obstacle at minimal cost, particularly effective for dealing with ram raids, I would keep it>check out my hahathe bridge wouldn't need much to make it accessible for a 2-ton vehicle, which is all you'd need
>>61669457>check out my hahawhat did he mean by thisanyways you've got nice ideasif i were designing a castle for a modern siege, i'd give it a set of stubby battery towers aswell
>>61669531>what did he mean by thishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha-ha
>>61662145Welcome to New York asshole
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RIP based castle threadwe'll have another one in a week or so
>>61677026>we'll have another one in a week or sohopefully without the same damn pictures
>>61650543>>61650585stuff like these two always make we wonder what the point of the tiny courtyard is. is it for lighting? surely making the whole space a single tower woild be more defensible
>>61677053lighting, yes, otherwise the only sunlight and ventilation you're getting is through loupholesalso baileys (courtyards) are important for bringing in carts and moving goods, they're basically garagesalso assembly areas>making the whole space a single tower woild be more defensiblein times of siege people built hoardings over the top as a temporary roof
>>61677053It's for security and because of how they were builtthey usually didn't scratch build them like Gudeleon >>61652641it would be done in a piecemeal manner of a period of time: they would start with a wood manor, then a wood palisade wall, then add a stone tower, other structures, then replace the wood manor with a stone one, then redo the wall in stoneand creating the enclosure creates a secure areasometimes they didn't go all the way and just stayed with a tower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_house / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_castle
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>>61678093not badneeds a taller keep tho
>>61662681You could go without windows and go with artificial lighting only.Or have a light column setup from your roof down.You'd only need (a foot deep) firing slits with steel shutters.Reinforced heavy steel door obviously with a non standard lock. I'd add a second door/firing slit combo at the top of the stairs.The ground floor should only be shit you are comfortable losing/living without and contain as little flammable material as possible.The can't crawl trough a window, they can't force the door without heavy equipment. If the do get trough they now have to force them same door at the top off a flight off stairs with you shooting at them.
>>61662145Due to the tides 95%+ off them are gone come the evening so if you'd live there evenings and the night would be very calm
>>61678148>light columnI've thought a lot about that; a skylight would be really really nice in lieu of the semi-enclosed patio I currently have, but a lot of work needs to be done to the roofalso it needs to be protected from people climbing in, weather, wildlife, and maintenance must be feasibleI've been considering different designs:A) concrete roof with 1' square glass tiles,orB) security glass reinforced with 1' grilles on the outsideboth have different pros and cons>why 1'ain't nobody squeezing himself in through that except rioters or burglars from the Cirque du Soleil
God, I would love it if there was a game where you were a noble lord who would have to run a province and find a good location for a castle and then build it.Manor lords gets so close, but it... it's just not finished! There's only one map, and castle building is half-baked. I'd really like some randomly generated maps so that your castle building would be "organic" and would follow the lay of the land and available strategic real estate. And if the castle/siege combat would be well made. Your castles would be only as effective as you build them and building them smartly (co-centric layers of defense, small bottle-necks with defenders dropping shit from above, murderboxes etc) would gain significant advantages. But the bigger it gets, the more expensive it will be. And if you forgo upkeep costs, it will start deteriorating so in the end you might be living in a castle where the north tower literally swings in the wind.Such games just don't exist. Dammit, just make Manor Lords BETTER!
>>61678168Well it would depend on if your home is free standing/ how high/ sloped or flat roof ect.You'd probably only need to access it once maybe twice per year for maintenance max possibly only once every few years. So hiring a cleaning service with the tools or a cherry picker yourself shouldn't be bankrupting you.If it's a flat roof you can have a rooftop garden/terrace accessible by stairs or a ladder (stairs would be more practical) and if you put a steel door on it it's no weaker than your front door.You don't need to be impermeable just a lot harder to get into than the other buildings around you. Mobs don't tend to have the dedication to crack a hard nut and will move on to easier pickings.Just make sure that the walls/roof around your doors are harder to get trough than the door it's self.Personally I'm limited by living in a flat. But I've a steel door on my flat and on my bedroom/gunsafe/office space. So I very much doubt they'd bother breaking down my doors and not simply going for the neighbors.
>>61678168I forgot to add. You cold depending on how clean you want it get someone with a sprayer drone to give it a once over with herbicide to get rid off moss ect.
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Goodbye, and thanks for all the castles.
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