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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere. General discussions about international culture should go on /int/.

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When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

Which theory of ethics does /his/ prefer?
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>>4717442
I know for a fact that objective morality exists since we can measure it empirically.
From the perspective of wellbeing being rich is preferable to being poor.
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>>4717549
>From the perspective of wellbeing being rich is preferable to being poor.
That has absolutely nothing to do with morality. Please tell me you're joking or trolling.
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>>4717486
>>4717495
Further decreasing the wellbeing is absolutely not the way to go about increasing it. I can't believe you honestly would think otherwise.
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>>4717541
>New studies of the US, Japanese and Soviet diplomatic archives suggest that Truman’s main motive was to limit Soviet expansion in Asia, Kuznick claims. Japan surrendered because the Soviet Union began an invasion a few days after the Hiroshima bombing, not because of the atomic bombs themselves, he says.

>According to an account by Walter Brown, assistant to then-US secretary of state James Byrnes, Truman agreed at a meeting three days before the bomb was dropped on Hiroshima that Japan was “looking for peace”. Truman was told by his army generals, Douglas Macarthur and Dwight Eisenhower, and his naval chief of staff, William Leahy, that there was no military need to use the bomb.

The US bombed Japan to put a decisive end to the war to stop the Soviet advance. It had nothing to do with preserving American lives you gullible idiot.
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>>4717526
Neither is utilitarianism.

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Why are right-wingers so often pathological liars? No matter where you're looking, there always seems to be a gang of reactionaries or fascists cooking up unashamed libel out of malice, ignorance or a mix of both.

When they're sharing sensationalist fake news about world events, they're peddling pseudo-scientific quack about vaccines. When they're not elaborating conspiracy theories about Jews, they're forwarding fear-mongering urban legends about immigrants. When they're not posting unsourced meme infographics about issues they know nothing about, they're purely and simply pulling things out of their own ass seemingly as a hobby.

Liberals are politically inane and are not of course immune to obfuscation but at least tend to stick to logic and facts for the most part — right-wingers on the other hand take no issue with the most outrageous of lies as long as they're told with a bold face. And when they're caught with the hand in the cookie jar, they shrug and leave while mumbling low-effort excuses only to come back a few hours later as cheeky as ever.

This is not a recent development. When it became undeniable that Dreyfus had been slandered and that the documents used against him were a fabrication, Maurras claimed the counterfeiter was a hero for producing a "patriotic forgery". When it was solidly proved that the Protocols had been created out of thin air and likely circulated by the Czarist secret police to demonize Jews, Evola was unimpressed and insisted that the content of the pamphlet still held true nonetheless.

Is it the inevitable product of a political culture focused on denouncing external enemies? Or is it simply because their worldview cannot firmly stand on anything else than vague feelings of decadence?
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>>4716761
The leftists are constantly lying even on this board, unironically pushing a meme that 4chan used to be rabidly left wing before 2016 and only became right wing because of reddit invasion. I mean it's such a blatantly retarded lie that not even the biggest newfags would fall for it, doesn't stop the leftists from trying.
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>>4717550
> reddit invasion
The true red pill is that 4chan was always reddit.
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>>4717361
Improved Living conditions for basically all of them? (USSR / China / PR-Kampuchea / East-G / Warsaw pact states) etc?
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>>4717556
Does it really matter they both seem to be filled with retarded faggots that think they are smart.
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>>4717556
Reddit didn't really take off until around 2010 so you're wrong there.

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What division in WW2 was made up of disabled lesbians? Sounds like a pretty interesting part of WW2 im glad DICE included it in their game.
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>>4717466
Well obviously they are also Liberals that is why they pander to the people they support
I thought that was obvious
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The problem with this is that it has some fantasy elements while still keeping an overall realistic tone. It ends up being shallow and a disappointment on both sides. So yes, they should have went full fantasy. Have the tone of the game be like RTCW/Necrovision W40k in WWI. It would have been way more fun and they have attracted even more players. I would certainly like to play a muscular redheaded French girl in steampunk power armor blasting away hordes of Imperial werewolf troops.

>>4717430
>why not add dinosaurs and laser guns if they're not trying to be realistic?
This, but unironically.
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>>4717481
What's it like following a religion?
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>>4717488
I'm really tired of steampunk garbage, fantasy, vampires, niggers, little girls and other fantasy creatures in videogames. I want some historical realism not a fucking animecon neckbeard circus show.
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>>4716712
As a french, i'm happy of our "help" in ww2, with that we're always out of focus in shit like that.
God bless petain.

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How many British women died in frontline combat in WWII?
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>>4717506
This is what pissed me off the most about Rising Storm 2.
>pay 15 dollars for a skinpack that makes you look like John Lennon xDDD
Then you enter the game and everyone looks like a punk from a Robocop movie, downright cartoony.
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>>4716158
Suffragettes/early feminists like Emmeline Pankhurst were some of the main people distributing the WW1 White Feathers my friend.

>The organization aimed to shame men into enlisting in the British army by persuading women to present them with a white feather if they were not wearing a uniform.[2][3]

>This was joined by some prominent feminists and suffragettes of the time, such as Emmeline Pankhurst and her daughter Christabel. They, in addition to handing out the feathers, also lobbied to institute an involuntary universal draft, which included those who lacked votes due to being too young or not owning property.

>One such was Private Ernest Atkins who was on leave from the Western Front. He was riding a tram when he was presented with a white feather by a girl sitting behind him. He smacked her across the face with his pay book saying: "Certainly I'll take your feather back to the boys at Passchendaele. I'm in civvies because people think my uniform might be lousy, but if I had it on I wouldn't be half as lousy as you." [7]
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>>4717527
>Private Norman Demuth, who had been discharged from the British Army after being wounded in 1916, received numerous white feathers after returning from the Western Front, and decided that if the women that handed them out were going to be rude to him, he was going to be rude back.[8] One of the last feathers he received was presented to him whilst he was travelling on a bus, by a lady who was sat opposite him. She handed over the feather and said, "Here's a gift for a brave soldier." Demuth replied, "Thank you very much - I wanted one of those." He then used the feather to clean out his pipe, handed it back to her and remarked, "You know we didn't get these in the trenches." The other passengers subsequently became angry with the woman and started shouting at her, much to Demuth's amusement.[9]

>The supporters of the campaign were not easily put off. A woman who confronted a young man in a London park demanded to know why he was not in the army. "Because I am a German", he replied. He received a white feather anyway.[10]

>Perhaps the most misplaced use of a white feather was when one was presented to Seaman George Samson who was on his way in civilian clothes to a public reception in his honour. Samson had been awarded the Victoria Cross for gallantry in the Gallipoli campaign

>The white feather campaign was briefly renewed during World War II.

>>4717500
>roasties
If you read period accounts it's mainly suffragette groups distributing the feathers.

The irony of the whole thing of course is that the horrors of WW1 (and the fact many soldiers who fought in it wouldn't have the vote) was the main impetus behind the Representation of the People Act 1918 which extended to all men... and gave it to women too.
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>>4715673
Uhh, yeah. People did complain. Furthermore, bastardizing WWI history for the sake of gameplay makes a ton of sense. The average gamer doesn't want to run at an entrenched vickers with a bolt action rifle. But WWII has the perfect aesthetic and weaponry for a fps, no doctoring needed. Automatic weapons, modern squad tactics, tanks, dog fights, etc. But they don't think that's good enough for some reason. the shit they're doing is eggregious, borderline disrespectful. I would prefer they do not associate it with any war at all, and make an entirely fictional setting.
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>>4717547
>The average gamer doesn't want to run at an entrenched vickers with a bolt action rifle.

Why not focus on the WW1 Eastern front which was mostly a war of manoeuvre and not a trench grind?

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What is the /his/ equivalent of depicting dinosaurs with feathers?
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>>4714711
In Australia it's common knowledge that every decade they Aboriginal civilization get 5 000 years older. They're up to about 65 000 years old now
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Having Roman soldiers be played by Italians rather than Brits. Appearance-wise, the Romans obviously looked more Mediterranean than Englishmen. In terms of accent and mannerisms, even taking translation convention into account, the Romans should really have "neutral" (i.e. American) accents if they don't have Italian ones (Italian being the closest living language to Latin). The reason I say this is because the RP accent that Romans always have on TV and movies doesn't really fit the rough-and-tumble way they saw themselves and the culture they had. If anything, the Greeks should be the ones with RP accents.
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>>4717405
Is there nothing Zuckerberg will hold back from doing?
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>>4717405
This would look fine if they did more than just slapped down base colours and called it a day.
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>>4717531
They didn't even speak English half the time

You will never be as cool as a historical Polynesian warrior.
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>>4717477
Is a blowfish
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>>4717473
Actually, it is a fish helmet.
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>>4717494
So it is like a leather helmet with spikes? Thought maybe it was just decoration.
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Imagine fighting with a sword made of shark teeth.
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>>4717534
Grandma goin for a hug finna get dabbed on with that geddup

Why is Alexander remembered as a hero and Genghis Khan as a villain?
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>>4710224
Alexander was a white Greek god who brought civilization and learning to the lands he conquered.

Genghis was a dirty subhuman chink responsibile for the destruction of some of the most advanced civilizations on Earth at the time (Persia and China and Eastern Europe).
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>>4710241
Two rebellions in a row, what would you do? Keep in mind you're taking 95% of your army into what's now Pakistan.
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>>4712561
John Green btfo
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>>4712801
Destroying the Qanats are why Iraq is nowhere near as fertile as it once was, thousands of years of farming and the ecosystems that evolved around that wiped out in a few months.
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>>4717539
That's pretty pussy bro. Do you know how many times Europe and Asia had to rebuild their shit after it being wiped out?

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Oldest language in the world?
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>>4716505
Every language in the world today is exactly as old as all the other ones.
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>>4717149
Well yes, it's now restricted as a liturgical language but that should still count. There are revivals going on as well.
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>>4716505
ITT: RETARDS

Khoisan
Clique Languages
Andamanese
Australian Abo languages
Papuan langs
African pygmy langs
Kartvelian
Circissian
Ingush
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>>4716968
Augustine
>Heber is singled out for mention before all the sons of Shem, though he is in the fifth generation from him, and the language that the authority of patriarchs and prophets has safeguarded, not only in their discourses but also in the sacred books, is called Hebrew. Surely when the question arises in connection with the division of languages, in what domain that early common language could have survived–and beyond any shadow of doubt the punishment involved in change of language was not imposed in any domain where this language survived–what other answer comes to mind save that it persisted in the family of the man from whose name its own was derived? Thus we find no slight indication of the righteousness of this tribe, in that, when other peoples were stricken by the change of languages, it alone was exempt from any such penalty.
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Sanskrit

Thread title says it all. Everyone likes to cry about Allied “war crimes” but why should I care about it when they are returning the favor to the Axis not even as bad as the Axis dished out.

>Japan
>rape of Nanking where the rapes women and Speared babies
>surprise attack across US holdings without war declaration, a literal war crime by definition
>brutal POW treatment
>sex slaves
>medical experiments that would make Mengele jealous
>starts all put total war

All to hear
>wahhh!! Muh atomic bombs and firebombs. Allies ebil

Germany
>rape and pillage their way across Eastern Europe.

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>>4715011
Does the West stand by its own principles or not? Isn't it hypocrisy to chastise the Axis for war crimes, commit them yourself, and then justify not feeling sorry with "waaah, they did it first."
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>>4716783
The west holds higher ideals than anyone can live up to. At least we hold them.
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It doesn't matter, it's in the past.
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>>4715011
Feel bad if your feel compelled too, don't if you don't. Than think about why you feel the way you do. For example, I feel bad that there is any suffering in the world at some level, I feel a degree of empty for all victims, but I don't feel bad for any national identity in total, especially ones like Imperial Japan or Nazi Germany that are not really around today in a way parallel with their historical counterparts.
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Come on guys U.S. killed hundreds of thousands in vietnam, innocent americans should get napalmed now, its only fair

Which independence movements are historically justified? Which are pure memes?
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>>4708923
>>4708990

>t. Spaniard

Dont you remember the kingdom of Galiciaand Aragon or you are simply ignoring it?
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>>4704438
All of them.
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>>4704452
Yes
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>>4704438
Every organic language should have a state comprising its traditional territory.
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>>4717337
Ignoring it, the investigation was focused on industrial and economic development in Catalonia

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Dump your history memes.
Also special request, anyone have that pic of Dandolo as a giant staring over constantinople?
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>>4702883
hmmmmmm based on the quality of the artwork it seems like orthodoxy is the best. really makes you think
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>>4697212
>saxon
lmao the saxons were imported from germany you idiot, all saxon barbarity is just german barbarity
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>>4704126
But the protestant part of Canada is the farm while the Catholics made the cities..
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>>4714142
It's more like they tell everyone else everything is OK while they sabotage the price of labor and build walls to keep their shitskin workers away from themselves.

You are in charge of making Versailles treaty, you must make it as fair as possible.
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>>4717275
>Make Germany stronger as punishment for losing
>Keep the German dominated treaty in the East, but without German domination
>Belgium is punished for being invaded
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>>4717275
I find this the most agreeable, though to add on give Poland enthic lands but let Germany keep Prussian territory, sorry Poland but have to be land locked.
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>>4717281
OK, Germany gives up A/L and its Polish territories, but in return gets all the regions where Jews are the Head of State in 1918
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>>4717275
>Italy gets South Tirol
This is the only problem.
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>>4717511
>South Tirol
No such thing, only Alto Adige exists.

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is there any specific reason why muslim countries weren't affected by the 19th century communist/freemasonic movements?

Who came up with that meme? Especially when Berbers and Egyptians had long been known of?
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>>4717330
Slavs are white, Polacks are not. There's a difference between the two, Polacks have a lot of admixture from Jews, Tatars, Armenians and other muds they imported during PLC. Weirdly enough Lithuanians were unaffected by this while Polacks mutted it up like no tomorrow.
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>>4717299
>No. There is a clear paternal and maternal DNA signature of Indigenous Black North Africans.
>pretending the Moroccan samples aren't E1b1b
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Sub-Saharan Africa should really be considered its own continent, at least culturally if not geographically, like Europe is.
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>>4717343
Prove it :)
>>4717369
There is a lot of influence due to the Green Sahara phase. It isn't until the introduction of Banana that the tropics and humid subtropics were populated.

Pygmies weren't even a forest people before that time.

The whole of the continent were in effect pushed and influenced by the dessication of North and East Africa. The North African Neolithic and the early "Later Stone Age" of the East African Coastline and South Africa show clear connections.
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>>4717401
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberomaurusian

>Loosdrecht et al. (2018) analysed genome-wide data from seven ancient individuals from the Iberomaurusian Grotte des Pigeons site near Taforalt in eastern Morocco. The fossils were directly dated to between 15,100 and 13,900 calibrated years before present. The scientists found that five male specimens with sufficient nuclear DNA preservation belonged to the paternal haplogroup E1b1b1a1 (M78), with one skeleton bearing the E1b1b1a1b1 parent lineage to E-V13, one male specimen belonged to E1b1b(M215*). These Y-DNA clades are closely related to the E1b1b1b (M123) subhaplogroup that has been observed in skeletal remains belonging to the Epipaleolithic Natufian and Pre-Pottery Neolithic cultures of the Levant.



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