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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere. General discussions about international culture should go on /int/.

/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

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Is Christianity as btfo as he claims?

I've been reading some of his pop books and he makes claim such as that:

>Jesus never claimed to be God
>Jesus predicted judgment would happen in the lifetime of his disciples
>over half of the New Testament is forged

are virtually unchallenged in academia and have been for a while now.

Anyone here familiar with NT scholarship that can confirm/deny?
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>>3848125
Thucydides spends time in his discussion of the Peloponesean war to provide apologetics for the Iliad and trying to reconcile how the war could really have taken 10 years. He certainly seems to believe that it was historical fact.

It's almost like the willingness to do so ties directly into whether or not an individual believes in the religion interwoven with the work.
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>>3848173
>It's almost like the willingness to do so ties directly into whether or not an individual believes in the religion interwoven with the work.
You mean that religious people apply different standards to their OWN canon and texts than they do for others?
SAY IT AIN'T SO
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>>3847207
Mah future tiu wasjdveust?

As garbar i oboe ots odor incrojable tjstb Psuñ did it on piropeen

Liar?

No i font thinl di because he sctually fue lmoe sortee and opposte ho l to dime ergere thats svfsct and i giuntin rojiblanco that jid avelli firnybyjinlvsbout tribitubcionyrsgggyibh the One gente d the gitdtbtextsmrbye Monti r Rudy you jydtvgiyys traje it from the rugjt poi y of vire
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>>3848191

Anon are you okay
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>>3848224
Not about hurto ha, but you cant gobsround telline Paúl was a liar because he esen he was sctually very devote and vel in Christ he reality duo, he justo hsg thr visión ejem jr frode from Damascid you cant dejó that

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>tfw you realise that nation states are a modern concept
>tfw you finally understand that it was just a bunch of rich families who owned bits of land and people lived on them

I know this is so simple but it completely changed how I saw history. I tended to kind of subconsciously retrospectively apply modern ideas of national identity to historical concepts and figures. Was weird to think for instance that Da Vinci would have had no concept of himself as as 'Italian', he was just a man that lived on the Medici families land.

Makes you realise how silly a lot of nationalism is
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>>3846036
>nation states are relatively recent inventions
True
>therefore nations never existed nor can they exist" episode
Nobody is saying this, nobody ever said this, and you are being purposefully ignorant. Nations being "imagined" does not mean they are not "real", these are specific academic connotations and definitions.
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>>3848097
Actually, one paid by the COmmunist party would tell you that China isn't a nation. It's a republic consisting of 5 nations.

Just like the old Empire wasn't a nation.
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>>3848104
>>3845103
China's state legitimacy was from the Mandate of Heaven. All human beings on earth should (and, theoretically, were) under the control of the Emperor. The world itself was divided between those close to the Emperor (China itself) and those outside the Emperor. Even when China was ruled by Mongols or Manchus, the Mandate simply switched hands, it did not dissolve entirely.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tianxia

It really did not resemble a nation state at all.
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>>3848101
>conflating nations and nation states
>again
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>>3840081
>>tfw you realise that nation states are a modern concept
Actually, the idea of nation states is quite outdated. Nowadays, transnational corporations encounter national states and muck around with them in every way they like. They pretty much choose where they want to pay their taxes, no matter where they make their money, they choose the legal system they're subject to no matter where they operate, and they oftentimes lever out the ridiculous remains of a jurisdiction, they're confronted with by the means of lobbying.
Look at the history of HSBC for example which is openly laundering the money of drug cartels and helps a lot of people to evade taxes... without any serious consequences (they just pay some ridiculously low penalty fees and proceed); look at other banks; look at what's Amazon's doing; examples are countless.

Whoever think's nationalism will solve any problems today doesn't have a clue at all.

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Itt: We are all medieval monks.
>Who keeps fraying all the feathers on the quills?
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>that monk who shaved his whole head on the first day
>that monk who never washed his robes
>that monk who would masturbate during lessons
>that monk who never left his quarters
>that monk who would pray all the time
>that monk who would forget the hymns and mouth it during mass
>that monk who fucking died during a raid
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>>3847790
>that monk who never left his quarters
T-that was me.
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>>3845389

To show that they are monks.
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>>3845819
That's a great one, brother
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>>3845819
this scroll needs more memes

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He killed thousands.
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Well he was the chief executive of an empire, how exactly do you think those were maintained?

I mean if you want to argue he was a hypocrite go ahead, but remember that meditations was just his journal, he never asked you to read it.
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He should have killed hundreds of thousands.
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>>3848207
>He should have killed all Christians.
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>>3848131
Tyrant, they yell so easily. I laugh; no tyrant ever gave back so much. What do they know of the world, these school boys?
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>>3848188
They looked idéntical it’s uncanny

Was Vatican II a mistake?
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No. Go LARP with the heretics from SSPX you fucking /pol/ack

Was the first day of the Somme Offensive really a complete disaster or was it more of a pyrrhic victory? I mean the British DID manage to sway the Germans away from Verdun, which was the main objective.
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>>3846849

It was a complete success for the French and a mixed bag for the British. The meme about the British slowly walking across no man's land is kinda bullshit though. Most of the first wave crept or ran up to the German earthworks. Those who did walk did so under the cover of artillery.
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>>3846888
or under the cover of massive fucking craters
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>>3846896

Usually they weren't supposed to go into the actual craters but the positions around them.

pic related
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>>3847104

>that pic

why didn't they just stick with the nigs

What is the funniest moment in history that was unintentional, deadpan and never looked at as funny, but you think is hilarious.
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The entire Presidency of Saparyat Niyabazerov.
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>>3841385

The adventures of the Roman navy in the first Punic war always reminded me of Monty Python and the holy grail.

> They told us it was daft for the Romans to build a navy. That was captured by the Carthaginians. So we built a second one. That one sank in a storm. We built a third one, and that one also sank in a storm. The fourth one was captured by the Carthaginians, then sank in a storm. But the fifth one - the fifth one won the war!
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>>3845998
>>Ribbentrop's negotiating style, a mix of bullying bluster and icy coldness coupled with lengthy monologues praising Hitler, alienated many

I know that feel
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>>3848080
*Saparmurat Niyazov
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>>3842305
Did intelligence gathering not exist at the time? How could they not be aware of the fact of how much a shit show Russia and its military was?

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ottoman empire

>corrupt, incomptent adminstration, had to give greater autonomy to ethnic groups in the country
>their armies were poorly supplied and lacked basics such as shoes
>they were fighting a 4 front war
>half of eastern anatolia, the levant, and iraq was occupied by russia/britan
>their killing methods involved "death marches into the desert"
>tons of fake and forged documents and pictures of the genocide
>killings ran from 1914 to 1918
>3 million christans

nazi germany
>effective, powerful adminstration who directly ruled lands it captured
>well supplied and well trained armies
>fighting a 2 front war

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>>3847267
>Ottomon Empire
>Lasts for hundreds of years
>Third Reich
>Lasts little over a decade
:)
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>>3847267
>nazi germany
>>effective, powerful adminstration
Tbh, the nazis were a bunch of corrupt, nepotistic retards.
Someone who could come in and make objective decisions about their managment could have made it run so much better.
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>>3847267
>killings ran from 1933 to 1945
We're reaching levels of brainlet that shouldn't even be possible.
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>>3847651
>american education
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>>3847267
RIP Roman Empire . They had a pretty good run from 509 BC-1922 AD but alas all thing's come to an end.

You will be missed.

>Rome founded by Romulus
>Last western roman emperor was a Romulus
>Constantinople founded by Constantine
>Last byzantine emperor was a Constantine

>British Empire started with Elizabeth I
Will Britain die with Elizabeth II ?
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>>3845587
Churchil was a more old hat conservative, the wave of decolonisation introduced by labour in their first victory mostly swept away the most economically important parts of the empire (the dominions and india), Churchil was pushing for a british empire that retained africa, but as the Africans were far less open to British rule, and the Americans were breathing down the British neck (see suez) and the cold war, coupled with the fact that Britain was too small to do proper suppression of armed revolt led to the African colonies declaring independece, and Britain mostly rolling along with it.
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>>3845521
>The last nail in the coffin was surrendering to the IRA in the 70s.
What?
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>>3846927
No, with a George

And hint:
It already did
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>>3847528
>And have been through the centuries
What the fuck are you smoking.
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>>3845521
>The last nail in the coffin was surrendering to the IRA in the 70s.

what?

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>people for 4000 years believe in a higher power or spirituality
>only on the last 50 years people stop

Why though? What hubris is this?
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>people believe the universe unironically came from nothing
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>>3848184
>people unironically believe that a bearded pandimensional thaumaturgist farted the cosmos into being
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>>3848184
>people unironically think the Big Bang presumes the existence of nothing
>the alternative to this is:
>>3848187
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>>3848184
>rare disturbances in the field of virtual quantum foam are "nothing"
Top retardation, retard.
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>>3848187
>>3848209
>

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/b/, /pol/, /a/, /vp/, and /mu/ have their own universities, so why don't we?

Post images of /his/torical figures along with their position in the university. We can add, remove, or alter positions as well.
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Ernst Junger for biology (entomology)
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Gilles de Rais for Campus Day Care

Build the best Presidential Candidate you can think of

Education, Past job experience, etc, etc


>Military Officer with minumum 10 years experience
>Law Degree
>Graduate (preferably) degree in Economics
>Job as Law Professor and Lawyer, as well as Econ Professor
>Governor
>Sec. of State
>Successful Business Owner

Religion, Sex, Race, Age, Sexuality, doesn’t matter - as long as they have empathy for those different than them
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>>3848107
he's 71 atm
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>>3847982

> That time during the debate he smugly joked about killing a guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYhWdQfwigU
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>>3848120
he was too good for the SJWcrats
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>>3848120
>The Navy Cross is presented to James H. Webb, Jr., First Lieutenant, U.S. Marine Corps, for extraordinary heroism ... On July 10, 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb's platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex that appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade that detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search that yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker. By his courage, aggressive leadership, and selfless devotion to duty, First Lieutenant Webb upheld the highest traditions of the Marine Corps and of the United States Naval Service.
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>>3848118
so is trump, a little age never stopped anyone.

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Let's have another one of these, post about what you're reading and what you'd recommend.

Post lists of books to read too, I'll post some from previous threads

Are there any lists like pic related that give good suggestions on how to start reading into Chinese history?
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>>3843391
>Are there any lists like pic related that give good suggestions on how to start reading into Chinese history?
No because /his/ doesn't care or know anything about Chinese history.
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>>3843391
Keay's "China: A History" is a nice intro to Chinese history. It moves pretty fast and doesn't get too deep into details, but it's enough of an exposition for you to identify things you're more interested in and delve deeper from there while still giving you a solid background.
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>>3847997
Sad but true. Every time you bring it up, people just bomb the thread with /pol/ memes. Same thing with India. Egypt gets wewuzz shit so I can't even talk about it here anymore.
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>>3848024

Would you also suggest Keay's "India: A History" as well?
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>>3848216
Haven't read it, so I can't say for sure, but reviews I've seen on here and elsewhere point to it being not as good as the China one. It's hard to say, really - even if all he did was use the same exact style but focus on India, it'd probably be a lot more confusing with the names, and with India's history being less insular than China, it's definitely harder to write about.

I haven't actually found any definitive history of India anywhere that's had good reviews, though.

This has to be the greatest marching song ever made
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>>3845675
It's alright but Russian music is 5x better.
Not even a commie
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>>3845723
>>3846223
>>3846242

>Hitler hated slavs so much so that he wanted an alliance with Poland, attended the funeral of the polish leader he was friendly with and allied with romania and bulgaria
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>>3845675
WRONG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMxn2hFJf1Y
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>>3848183
>Romania
>Slavs
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>>3848183
>This meme again.
Poland made treaty with Allies only after Hitler betrayed Munich Agreement and annext rest of Czechoslovakia, showing that Hitlers word was dogshit.
This pissed off rest of world and made Polish government to fear that they would be next on the germanic table [spoiler] They were [/spoiler]
The thing was that, Germans didn't just want to reannex "Free City of Danzig", but to annex rest of polish corridor, which wasn't an option for Poles.
Polish corridor was majority 935,643 polish and 175,771 germans, it contained newly built port city of Gdynia, which was meant to replace Danzig as a main polish trade reliance(which their economy was based on).
Hitler and NSDAP didn't give a shit about it and wanted entire corridor no matter what, that's when they begin the fucking war of aggression...

>TL;DR
Your pic is a retarded half-truth to benefit your autistic nazi larping bias.



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