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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere. General discussions about international culture should go on /int/.

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If you went back in time and told ancient people about people from the future, who would they find more interesting?
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>>5678068
Are you legitimately retarded?
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>>5678072
Says the retarded burger worshiping corporations and authoritarians.
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>>5678079
>stating that Musk and Zuckerberg are regarded as extremely succesful is worshiping corporations and authoritarians
This will be my last reply, have a fitting bait image to go along with it
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>>5678090
>Trump poster
I knew you were fascist scum from the beginning
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>>5678068
I fucking hate this image.

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No ship thread? Let's have a ship thread. Post your favourite warships. Any period is fine, although I prefer WW1-WW2 myself.
Try to keep it civil and keep the spazzing to a minimum.

For me, it's the HMS Hood
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>>5677876
>save a useless hunk of metal that was never used again and scrapped after the war.
It was actually fully repaired, which was the reason it wasn't used (because they wanted to give it a re-fit, which never happened).
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>>5676032
In theory.

I practise, they couldn't hit a damn thing.
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>>5678034
They fixed that. Delay coils basically cut the dispersion in half, and both Richelieu and Dunkerque class battleships ended up just as accurate than any other BB of the era.
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>>5678034
>>5678054
What exactly was the issue with them?
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>>5678064
The guns being placed too close together caused excessive dispersion because of the wake effect of the muzzle blast affecting the initial trajectory. This is something all nations using multiple-gun turrets had to independently identify and fix. Solutions included firing in half-salvoes (like older Japanese dreadnoughts), offsetting the gun barrels within a turret (like the British town class cruisers, see pic) or installing delay coils so that one gun of a turret fires a few milliseconds after the others, which was the sollution preferred for USN battleships, Japanese cruisers and Yamato-class, and eventually the french and british. It was a straightforward fix and not really something that makes or break a surface ship's usefulness. Richelieu's fire control was quite effective besides that.

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>Thats a white haplogroup
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>>5678029
I wonder if Haplotards think Sudan is "Nordic" because it was 2-10% I Y-DNA

These people are fucking idiots.
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>>5678059
I have unironically seen polish anthrotards say this
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>>5678059
>>5678062
actually they say it because sudan/chad has some r1
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>>5678002
I like Polish autist the most desu, his posts are entertaining in a way that he genuinely believes in his bullshit and constantly makes new theories about it, while Nordicists are just ironic shitposters and Haplotards are for the most part simply wewuzing R1b Europeans with inferiority complex.
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>>5678029
>They dont tell us a single piece of information about race because most haplogroups are 30-50k years old.
Not really.
I diverged from IJ 29-33k B.C
I1 and I2 split 1000-3000 B.C
Many I1 subclades are about 2000 years old
Further subclades can show you whether you and someone else share the same father or grandfather (naturally this involves looking at more markers since the subclade isn't very distinct from others genetically)

So did the Ancient Greeks view themselves as a sort of post-post apocalyptic society due to the fact that the Minoan civilisation is represented as like this lost advanced civilisation in Greek myths?
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>>5677151
No they saw Minos as a degenerate tyrant
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>>5678018
Only the Athenians did. The rest saw Minos as a super righteous dude who was appointed as a judge in the underworld after his death.
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>>5677151

well, the whole bronze age collapse was a major even that shaped the world view and mythos of the people living in the eastern meditarenian
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>>5678035
That was Dantes
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>>5678081
You mean Dante? If so, no it fucking wasn't.

Was it autism /his/?
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>>5676894
yeah pretty much
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>>5676894
ur brain cant handle diverse situations happening in real life in real time?
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>>5677725
Germany still had sabre cavalry in 1939
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>>5677875
oprikniks used a fucking broom. depends on ur opponent/power distance
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>>5676894
>Clinging to your traditional means in a world change
>Having the ability to slice incoming bullets AND the torsos of the enemies
>Being able to attack the enemy lines with a Supernova when reaching his Limit Break

I'd say he was pretty based, and quite redpilled

Were the Nuremberg and Tokyo trials a victors justice? Reading about all of this, it's baffling how the allies created new laws to retroactively condemn the axis. I'm not denying the axis commited war crimes and deserved to be punished, but there is something off about all of this.
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>>5675370
They were far too lenient in the case of Nuremberg. Every German or Austrian member of at least the SS should have been executed.
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>>5678060
>Every German or Austrian member of at least the SS
Why spare all the other members of the SS?
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>>5678069
they dindu nuffin
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>>5678069
Some of the foreigners were conscripted. Most should also be executed though, especially the ones from northwest Europe.
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>>5677632
>papen
>innocent

Is it fair to say Heuy long is the most Wholesome dictator of all time?
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EVERY MAN A KANG
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>>5677549
>dictator

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Is Marxism defensible as an economic model?
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>>5678037
>unironically falling for the subjective marginal utility meme
Ouch
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>>5678044
>haha I called a fact a "meme" guess what you lose kiddo
Subjective marginal utility is literally a market fact. Want to know how I know that you didn't study economics?
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>>5677731
Marxism (i.e. scientific socialism) isn't an "economic model".
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>>5677731
is ops mom defensible from my massive firehydren dick
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>>5678053
>it’s literally a market fact
Hmmm I think you should read more behavioral economics. Wanna know how I know you took intro to macro and then either never took another Econ course or blindly studied econometrics without bothering to critically examine the theoretical and philosophical foundations of marginalism?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=vNhkYXhYSSs

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>study history
>become a left leaning nationalist
How should i label my beliefs so that i don't come across as a literal nazi which i believe would be quite counterproductive in this day and age?
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>>5677682
NAZBOL
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>>5678067
>libertarian
>nationalist union
Doesn't compute
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>>5677781
poland is such a cringey nation haha I'm glad most of their history is composed of suffering under some foreigner's boot
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>>5678078
Fuck off, Poland is really nice and most Poles are also cool dudes. Shame they tend to be absolute fucking faggots around here though
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Maybe just nationalist/patriotic/whatever?
Leave the left or right out of it, pic and choose with which side you're aligned with depending on the subject.

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This is Ivan the Terrible and his son Ivan, look into Ivan the Terrible’s eyes
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>>5676538
a young Russian soldier who made the ultimate sacrifice defending Stalingrad, November 1942
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>>5676015
yeah no shit he just killed his son
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>>5674722
Because he wasnt bad compared to european kings
And he doesnt kill his son
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>>5674310
>>5674668
>>5674717
>>5674752
>>5674782
>>5676026
>>5676538
You guys are pieces of shit.
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>>5674268
My fucking sides

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>study ancient history
>become a MENAcentrist
Who else?
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>>5677975
>"study" history (skim wikipedia and google books snippets)
>become bigbrained
>post on /his/
Who else?
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>>5677993
Most people here
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became interested in Sumer, Babylon, Assyria and Carthage before Greece and Rome so I guess me

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Why is it that, when it comes to colonization such as the Belgian Congo case, we're always thought about greatly exaggerated or even made up scenarios? Surely if they wanted to show how "evil" the Europeans were, they'd have something to show for it, right?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6mjGXDlSk0c
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>>5677990
No, I haven't even seen a second of your video. I did look through the main points of the video he linked though, and they are all just speculation and assumptions.
The only argument he could possibly have made to objectively prove that the number is wrong was with population, but that's wrong as well and based on, like I said, mis-used stats.
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>>5678011
>video
Meant blog, not video.
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>>5678011
Explain how he misused the stats, because you're making a clear claim here.
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>>5678036
First off he took estimates of total population of 1850 and 1900 and made a linear trend to get the population of 1885. Now this would be fine if you're just using the population numbers for a minor thing, but that's what his whole argument. In short he's using objectively wrong estimates and presenting them as facts.
Now here's the worse part. He took the population density of ALL of Africa -- a very geographically diverse place -- and applied it to the Congo. I hope I don't have to explain further how that is completely non-sensical.
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>because while killing 1 million was possible, the fact that the first charge against the congo free state of 10 million was impossible shows this whole thing was kind of a scam
By this logic, most systematic mass murders of the 19th and 20th century were scams, because they are largely overestimated, often based on historical guesstimonials.

His statements regarding the european treatment of the Congo issue are mostly correct. However, the rest, I mean, the wild population estimations that underestimate the Congo's population density at the earliest point and then overestimate it at the latest point, those are pretty bad. The 1885 estimate of the congolese population is calculated by using the guessed population density of all of africa, and then the 1900 estimate does not do so, but instead substracts large portions of north africa, large swaths of desert countries with low population densities. It doesn't take a mathematician to know what effect this has.
Afterwards, there's the large conjectural what-if's, which we cannot ascribe any credibility to, because they are not evidence of anything.

Did the Nazis "backstab" the Soviets?

Did the Soviets have no ill-intention against them like they say?

I'm not sure what to think about it.
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Nazis and Soviets didn't like each other but as global pariahs they agreed to trade with one another. It wasn't so much of a betrayal as the Soviets thinking the inevitable war would happen much later after a buildup of inevitable tensions, not a sudden invasion.
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>>5677460
The Soviets were actually benefiting politically from playing along with German ambitions with the absorption of the Baltic states, Eastern Poland, Karelian isthmus and Bessarabia, I'd hardly call it appeasement like West where all they did was let Hitler get whatever he wanted for nothing except a piece of paper and a pinkie promise
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>>5677548
>back up my claim that Stalin wanted a deal with a western power and he didn't really care which one
Hmm. >>5677294
>Him taking no actions to invade or even make a deal with the Allies prior to June 22, 1941
If you're that hung up on dates, Soviet Union already had a treaty of mutual assistance with France(signed May 2, 1935, ratified March 27, 1936
), and following that, a treaty of mutual assistance with Czechoslovakia (signed May 16, 1935), which only went into effect if France helped them first, except Munich. :^)

>Just give up your hero Stalin was fine with Hitler at least for the time being
He was fine with European imperialists beating the piss out of each other. As am I. Shame about casualties from the invasion of France being so low, though.

The amendment regarding Lithuania was due to Soviet already starting to meddle in what was agreed to be German sphere of influence.
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>>5677664
>If you're that hung up on dates

I am yes, history is largely about dates. Stalin wasn't shopping around for western allies after Molotov-Ribbentrop, but he would have been perfectly happy BEFORE Molotov-Ribbentrop with an alliance with Britain and France. Stalin wanted an alliance with a western power to ensure the USSR didn't get fucked with and he wasn't picky. Once he had Molotov-Ribbentrop he felt fairly secure.

>He was fine with European imperialists beating the piss out of each other.

Stalin also wasn't particularly keen on a war in the foreseeable future. Maybe in a decade or so he would think differently but as of June 22 1941 Stalin was fine with bribing Germany with raw materials to leave him alone.
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>>5677381
Literally picrelated

What’s the point of preserving historical artifacts if they will all one day be lost?

Why not just take a picture and then destroy it to hinder illegal markets from cropping up?
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>>5677764
or america could stop founding sandnigger barbarians blowing up thousands of years of art history in the middle east
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>>5677704
Is that a chinese dragon on a roman fresco?
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>>5678025
>>5677988
>>5677787
Brazilian or British posters have arrived
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>>5677704
whats the point of being alive if you will one day die
we live in a society
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>>5678040
not an argument




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