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/trv/ is a slow board, you don't need to bump more than once a day -- it's OK if your thread is not on the front page, we look several pages deep here. You can do that. too, looking for threads on your topic.

Questions are welcomed, as are threads sharing experiences or generally discussing travel. For very general questions, you can get answers faster at other sites. Google is your friend. Start there, then come back here for specific questions. Some good links for basic info, and a few Pet Peeves of the board, are included within this thread.
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For all those wanting information on Vagabonding:


Don't forget visa requirements:

Happy traveling! P.S. Do not post nsfw content on this board.

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I live in the Bay Area and I want to go on vacation somewhere close by (because closer = cheap). Any recommendations?

Things I like:
- day hikes
- walking around aimlessly in very dense cities, going into random buildings and trying street food (this is only really feasible in East Asia, unfortunately)

Things I dislike:
- typical tourist destinations and sightseeing
Colombia has your name written all over it.
Why Colombia? AFAIK, isn't Colombia a little dangerous?
In spots, but it is easy to avoid those. Bogota, Cartagena, even Medellin, and any number of others, are as safe as cities anywhere else. And there are amazingly beautiful stretches of countryside, which may not matter to you. food is good, including street food.

Like any foreign city, you want to do a little research on which parts you might want to avoid.

Flights are pretty reasonable, prices are as well.

Maybe it won't appeal to you, it is not noted for a particularly distinctive cuisine or anything. But worth looking into.
How about Seattle or Vancouver, major cities within driving distance to probably some of the nicest day hikes in western North America.
Interesting. I'll keep it in mind. I hadn't considered it, but I'll do some research.

I grew up in WA, so less interested in going there (as nice as it is).

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Hey guys! I'm new at SAFB, Wichita Falls - the armpit of Texas. I figured I'm pretty close to Oklahoma and would want to try to check it out, but it's tech training and we can only leave at certain times, and can't go more than 2.5 hours driving distance from the base. What should I check out?

Here's my ideas so far:
>Dallas (what is there to do there, any way?)
>OKC - see the Memorial Wall because that's interesting history
>Wichita Mountains
>Chickasaw National Recreation Area
>Grave of Geronimo at Fort Sill

Anything else? I'm interested in nature and history, more than anything. Thanks for the help in advance!
Your local liquor store.

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/trv/, where's somewhere that you would like to go, but cannot, for whatever reason? (and why?)

Because of cost, Almost none of us can go to space.

Because of visa difficulties, there are a number of countries your average Westerner cannot go to (especially if your visa application gets denied).

Because of access restrictions, almost no one except chosen scientists can visit Norway's only active volcano on the island of Jan Mayen.

So, where do you want to go but cannot?
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Dunno where you heard this but it's false
However you cannot visit Iran if you've been to "Occupied Palestine" (Israel)
I've wanted to go to Iran for so long but as an American I can only visit under supervision, which i think would be a waste. Relations between our countries are improving though so I'm hoping that someday we will reopen our embassy and that rule will change.
Second place I'd love to visit is Bhutan, but the government charges tourists 10k/day which pushes it out of my price range pretty quickly.
Won't they be able to check flight records and stuff, though?
It's been pointed out to you it's true. You're an American citizen though so it doesn't affect you.


It's 250 dollars a day. Stop being an idiot.
Jesus 10K a day for Bhutan? I knew they wanted to keep outside influences to a minimum but I had no idea it was to that extent.
I have a couple questions now.
I'm a Mexican citizen with my permanent residency in the US.

1. If I visit Iran will that be enough reason for me to get denied US citizenship ?

2. Since I'm not a US citizen would I still have to take a supervised tour while in Iran ?

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what are some fun things to do this weekend there. My friends will be working during the day so I would like to explore during the day time. what do you recommend.
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tis mushroom season hit the cow fields!
Bottoms Up is best pizza in the city, Channelo's is the best pizza that delivers late night when you're drunk.

Sticky Rice is my favorite bar there but its not for everyone
where is that ? what you mean?
Read the subject
>Bottoms Up is best pizza in the city

This, that shit is amazing. For eats, I also recommend Boulevard Burger and Brew, and for drinking Triple Cross Brewing and Isley Brewing Company were both excellent.

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Fuck this Place! The food is shit, the people are retarded, and the weather is depressing. I need to get the fuck out as fast as possible.
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Clearly not enough Dutch starved during the 2nd world war.
why so edgy mohammed?
>I just checked hostelworld and it starts at 15 euros a night
I was there during June so prices will be different during the off season.

ooh so that explains why i couldnt find a hotel in new york for lesst han 150 bucks in june

you fucking moron offcourse prices are higher in the peaktimes, what did you expect
>you fucking moron offcourse prices are higher in the peaktimes, what did you expect
You didn't read my posts correctly if that's what you took away from them.

Is Portland, Oregon overrate?
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if you don't understand why people hate californians, of course you'd love portland

both suck. it's a match made in heaven. please stop sending your human trash to colorado

thank you
I was just in Portland. Voodoo donuts is indeed overrated. Most of the city seemed like nobody had enough money for basic maintainence, kinda rundown. Lots and lots of hipsters, quite a lot of homeless. Nice enough small city, but nothing in particular I could recommend different than any other small American city. The zoo happened to be free, it was pretty good medium sized, and is in a large nice park. The surrounding Pacific Northwest is very pretty.

voodoo donuts is literally a tourist detector.
beautiful nature in every direction around it. Lots of hipster qts. Great music everywhere, cute houses, awesome food. Rent is expensive but its cool. Avoid downtown stay in north east or south east. Can be clicky and it's true that liberals can be annoying but theyre also cool af generally from my experience.
fucking this, i grew up in portland - always felt like an outsider. its too bad cuz its such an active, beautiful, good sized town.

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Hey /trv/ I am going to south America shortly and can have a stop off for a couple of days in either:
Los Angeles
San Francisco

Which would you recommend and why?

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All of those cities are spread out and require driving to get anywhere.

I live in Houston, and it is not a bad city and you could fill up a few days here.

I have been to L.A. a few times, and you know the basic stuff in that area. Disney, Hollywood, Venice Beach, etc...

I would probably go to San Fran if it were me. I think it is the prettiest of the three. Some must see landmarks, and also good food choices.

SF can be cold at anytime of the year, Mark Twain said the coldest winter he ever had was a summer in San Fran. The other two will have warm weather if that matters to you.

If you pick Houston, I will try and help more.
San Francisco. It's a walk around place and the others aren't. Train goes from airport to downtown. Get a hotel by union square and you will be close to lots of stuff.
San Francisco, I've lived in all 3, Houston and LA are shit.

driving, in SF? You're a moron.
San Francisco

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Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh City for first time in Asia? My budget for one week in Europe or the USA can get me about 1 1/2 - 2 weeks in SEA.
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Of those to, I liked Hanoi better.

But what sorts of things do you like to do? What sort of things interest you?
I like doing whores, and am interested in seeing cool cultural artifacts.
Why whores? Why not just regular girls at clubs or off Tinder or something. I don't say this out of any kind self-righteousness or moral superiority, I just don't get whoremongers. What's the appeal?
OP here
I'm pretty easy going, I love beer, food and photography (I'm a wedding photographer) I'm not interested im party hostels, but I am social.

I'm also looking to spend a few days relaxing on a beach, best city to do that in in Vietnam?
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I like using Tinder and go to clubs whenever I travel, too. But there's just something about the ease of it all.

With whores you don't have to pretend like you care where they're from or what they're doing here, etc.

You just pay to play.

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Hey /trv/ anon here thinking about migrating to japan, Inb4 Weab.

I know you cannot gain citizenship without a degree but I have heard you can go to school there and get a degree.

Im an amerifag and currently wondering If I need to teach myself Japanese first or If I can go to school and learn and maybe get a part time job while I school there, any Serious Advice is Greatly Appreciated, thanks!
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You just seem like an obnoxious troll who disagrees for the sake and attention of it and to force your religion down other people's throat.

Also please tell me about Buddha's stance on calling other people cunts and twats.
>I'm planning on going into law myself

I'll keep it short because this topic is neither here nor there for this thread, but don't go into law m8. It's rough out there. I got my job through connections and it's comfortable and nice, but not spectacularly so and my situation isn't really the norm. I'm half Hong Kong Chinese-American with ties in the Sinosphere.

The legal job market is so bad that there are people with JDs willing to be paralegals. I wouldn't hold your breath.

Okay bro

>Also please tell me about Buddha's stance on calling other people cunts and twats.

The Buddha called people fools all the time. He never minced words. Always a teaching moment but he was blunt when he needed to be.

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I dont understand why you have to be a twat, this is a learning process for me, as far as it being r9k I dont see anyone here being overly emo except for the people who are just saying negative shit like yourself.

However, to everyone and Anyone else that has positive information or experiences that are helpful I greatly Appreciate it, Probably should have mentioned im the OP


>You are white. You will NEVER be Japanese, you will always be an outsider.

>Who cares? This meme is constantly parroted almost word for word to the point that it's hilarious (the NEVER is always all caps) and again, who cares. You're not Japanese. So what? The only people who care about this are literal kanadajin turbo weebs who want to be Japanese or something. The you will never be Japanese thing is just really overplayed by oversensitive people.

Thank you so much for saying this, I Really want to experience Japan and I have ever since I was a kid And ive just now actually really started giving it serious thought, if you any other information for a newcomer Itd greatly be appreciated as well as any stories you might have about being over there!
I know you cannot gain citizenship without a degree but I have heard you can go to school there and get a degree.

I wrote that post because the guy literally said he wanted to get citizenship one day.

>I Really want to experience Japan and I have ever since I was a kid

Go on holiday in Japan before you decide to move there. Have a trial period.
No one here is being mean. We're giving you a dose of reality. No one is going to hire you as a programmer n your home country, let alone in a country full of xenophobes where you can't even talk to them properly.

It's effectively impossible. I think 2 or 3 people are naturalized each year, and they're usually billionaires from korea or taiwan.

There are third and fourth generation koreans in Japan who still aren't citizens. That's actually the MAJORITY of koreans in japan.

It's basically impossible to get citizenship.

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How possible is it to do a year of work and travel akin to what you can do in Australia and the Schengen zone?

From what I can tell the only visas that would work are H-2A or H-2B for agricultural- and non-agricultural-work respectively. I this in any way similar to the australian and european ones? Which one is preferable and what does non-agricultural imply.

I am a german citizen and fluent in english so there shouldnt be a problem there. My motivation to go is that I may or may not have a year of spare time between changing university (bad timing, I know) and really dont want to stay here working minimum wage wasting away from boredom.
Im interested in the US because its more different from Europe and more diverse than Australia. Id like to spend time pretty much in every part of the country working whatever is available (preferably hostels or similar stuff but Im physically able to do most kinds of work).

So how good of an idea is that? The alternative is to work here for a couple of months and then travel through Africa or something, so Im not too set on anything at the moment.
Is the H-2(probably)B visa what Im looking for or is there another one designed for long term tourists? How hard is it to find work in different parts of the country at different times of the year?
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two types of J1 I think:
all depends on the country.

Im aussie so we can do it up to a year post graduation.

but basically the sponsor is the company in the usa that handles all of your visa requirements on the other end. it will be on a country by country basis who you get but from my understanding it's not a big deal.

cant speak of college exchange, as it wasn't what I did.

Regarding work - you can do basically anything.
Started off working at starbucks, then got a gig doing pizza deliveries in sf, then got a job in digital marketing that ive kept

I travelled everywhere. spent a lot of the time camping in the national parks with qts on road trips. 10/10 experience cool country go get it my friend.
What does the sponsor get out of helping me if I can work for anybody I want though? Also how did you contact them?

Also how much did you work in total compared to free time travelling? About how much net did you spend on the entire trip minus flights?

Your trip sounds absolutely amazing! Almost nobody I got to know so far has travelled the US so I have to wonder how the tourist situation is like?How does it compare to Europe in regards to the amount of travellers/ backpackers/ people on a J1? Did you stay in hostels when working or is it easy enough to find cheap appartements for only a couple weeks at a time?

What country are you in? Like I said it all depends on your country. I know that Aus and NZ have a special pilot program running with their J1 situation so it may not be accessible for some other nationalities unfortunately.

For example I paid a company called IEN in australia like 1000 bucks, then they had the connection with another crew called IENA in the states who sorted me out with all the paperwork.

Will have to look it up, I remember it was convoluted. Give yourself 3 months or so preparation.

Overrall I didn't work too much, the most was at starbucks, but I had slogged out 6 months of dangerous labour in the pearl farms up north of australia before I left so I had some cash to live off saved up.

Tourist situation is great especially being aussie i found a lot of americans are fascinated by the accent. many people I met straight up didn't even believe I was from Australia and that I must be lying / joking etc. Haven't been to Europe so I can't compare but there were definitely far fewer hostels / backpackers than what there is here in Australia.

finding a place to stay was tricky - best bets:

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Im german but I sound pretty english believe it or not, so might be able to get some points there.

Whats the deal with the "sponsor" though, if you are the one who has to pay them a stupid amount of money just to get the connection. How the hell does that work?
On the website I saw something about host families though, so maybe I can get into the program this way, since I have a couple of friends living in the US.

Could you give me an estimate what kind of money you spent while travelling? I wont judge you I promise! Like how much you pay for airbnb or other accommodation in which states/ cities.

I dont really want to spend too much of my savings so being able to plan a budget at least roughly will be somewhat necessary.
Also did you ever couchsurf there? Ive had too many good experiences all over the world to not try it there.

Thanks again for all the help so far!!
> really dont want to stay here working minimum wage wasting away from boredom.
You just perfectly described America.

This is utterly retarded and completely based on falsehoods with no proof to back it up. Don't listen to this butthurt Chumpcuck.

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I'm Turkish and have a same beard like him. (Turkish Minister of Energy) Most people - including me hate Muslims and i will go to most racist place in Europe (Ukraine) soon and i don't want any negative energy around me.

So, does he look like Muslim? Should i cut my beard?
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Id say yes, shave it and get a haircut too to make yourself look like you lived there your whole life.
Not sure if you know but the vast majority of people who do still go to Ukraine are muslims from Turkey...

Ukrainian people are happy about every and all foreigners that still come and they can just not afford to scare anyone away. Turks bring good money into the country and they arent even much worse than the gopniks they already have everywhere. Just go and find out yourself. There is no danger whatsoever.
>So, does he look like Muslim?
no he looks pretty western(white) so the beard doesnt make it look like a religious thing
He looks very Western, apart from the black eyes.
Just don't have one of those chin-curtain beards.
the beard doesn't look islamic

if you ARE a muslim (why a muslim would go to Ukraine is beyond me) you might want to be clean shaven
beards grow back

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Can someone please explain to me exactly what the "real traveler" meme is?
I'm guess it's something to do with one person being snobbish and critizing the way in which another person travels, but is there a copypasta image that it originated from?

Sorry for poor English, it is not my first language.
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They're the sort of people who say things like
>I'm not a tourist, I'm a traveler!
>Ugh, I used to like that place, but now there's so many tourists
>That city isn't the REAL (Country), if you want the REAL (Country), you have to go blah blah blah

They are the sort of people who if they see another white person during their excursions out will get annoyed.
Well said
>80L backpack
fucking kek, anything more than 38L is retarded. just carry liquid detergent and wash your clothes in the sink.
i'd say the actual hallmark of the real traveler tm is that they call people out on things that makes them tourists or whatever as opposed to real travelers tm, ie
>if you haven't done foo you're not a real traveler
>if you do bar you're not a real traveler

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not sure if this is entirely related to this board but I desperately want to escape the US before the coming election, but I fear I'm not skilled, educated or rich enough to. What are some ways that I can secure a job in another country ASAP and eek out a meager living? What country would you recommend escaping to? I only speak english so I imagine my options are pretty limited to only Anglo countries. Is there work to be found in Canada? I'm barely into college and haven't even picked a degree, my only work experience is as a bank teller and retail cashier, my chances seem pretty low. Do you guys have any advice?
ehhh, the Alberta oil boom has worn out, so many unskilled people are not making their way out there much anymore. But on the flipside, if youre so young that you havent attended college/university yet, start applying everywhere.. Canada, but as well as programs abroad. Most European countries have free secondary education even for non nationals, you just need ot attend a public uni. Mind you, it will depend on language skills, but there are plenty of english programs in larger/capital cities, for example Germany, Sweden, Netherlands.
That said, your best bet is University abroad (or outside the USA) get accepted, do the degree, and after you always have time to seach for a job, months to years depending on the country.
My particular situation, born and raised in Ontario, did a Uni degree, went abroad to Germany for a Masters, and I will stay here now.
Do a bit of research about english uni programs in your interested subject abroad.
Hope it helps
how would he be able to support himself without income?
I think there's actually a list of countries accepting drumpf refugees. Ireland nz and Canada to name a few

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Come for the advice and insights, stay for the put-downs and memes. It's that time again, kids. ESL General.

Feel free to ask about any country. I have experience with Korea and I'm now in Japan with an above average job, so feel free to ask me anything.

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