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Any Illinois /k/ommandos? How long did you wait to get your CCL after you applied? Please say if you sent in finger prints or not?
Didn't apply yet. Don't want to go through all the stupid training that will make me learn bad habits. I really want to carry a gun around in public though.
Take the class. Just do it asap and get it over with is my advice.

I took the class this previous weekend. Didn't learn much. Instructor just went through the laws, scenarios, and such.

I was hoping he would go into Cooper's condition of carry for the noobs.

I only shot 30 rounds during the whole class which was for the shooting test.

Honestly the class is a joke. My instructor told us we should carry at least 5 extra mags lel.

What is a passing grade for the shooting test? I shot my first handgun last weekend and need some practice to hit COM every time.
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30 shots

10 rounds from 5 yards
10 rounds from 7 yards
10 rounds from 10 yards

21/30 shots must be within the rings of fbi target in pic.

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So if I was a cartridge inventor and i decided to neck a 20 or 30 mm cannon round down to say a .22 What do you think would happen?
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14.58 g (225 gr) APCR 1,210 m/s (4,000 ft/s) 10,584 J (7,806 ft·lbf)
this are the data of the 7.92x94mm german WWII anti tank rifles
i think you would be in a similar area with your concept
Ian has a vid on the gun (Panzerbüchse 39)
air resistance gets pretty insane above mach 3.5 (around 3700 fps) so there is diminishing returns if you drive a round faster than that. Basically it won't stay going that fast very long.

Add that to the fact that those velocities increase wear on the barrel ( or the bullet itself depending on twist rate) and it becomes an economic nightmare.

maybe with a hypersonic bullet design, but then you would need to get well above 4000 fps for it to perform well.

maybe a plastic sabot designed to disintegrate outside the barrel, bearing a dense backwards tear drop dart like projectile

holy shit look
i swear i had this idea before finding this link. gonna read it now

Why hasn't someone brought this back as a big game/ultra-long range cartridge?
You hit diminishing returns really really hard at 5000ft/s.

A 22-243 CHeetah with a 35gr .224 bullet and a long barrel can do 5200ft/s, maybe a bit more. What you can do with a shitton more powder and a longer barrel isn't necessarily get a bullet going much faster than that; it's getting a heavier bullet going about that fast. The Eargesplitten has what, 90 grains of powder? 100? And it barely touches 5200 with a 55gr bullet. The 22-243 can do the same with a lighter bullet and half the powder, or even less.

Shows you how hard that wall is.

To go faster, don't do this. Just make a light gas gun. It's hard to get shit going much faster than, say, theoretically 5500ft/s with smokeless powder because the gas produced by the burning powder is itself heavy. It starts taking gas to move the gas itself rather than to push the bullet. With a light gas gun, you turn the regular rifle and smokeless powder into a piston to compress hydrogen, and then use the hydrogen to push the bullet. Since the hydrogen is a lighter gas than the stuff produced when burning smokeless powder, the theoretical max speed is a LOT higher.

NASA uses it to get shit going 10km/s, it's cool stuff.
Because 14.9 SOP and other madman ELR exist, those cartridges have a much better design to maximize powder efficiency and accuracy.

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How long until this is combat capable /k/?

Boston Dynamics needs to chill the fuck out with the death machines
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Oh shit, roller skating mecha.
Everytime I think this I try to remember that if the private sector is doing this, governments must have some real fun shit behind closed doors.
The institute doesn't fuck around with their murderbots anon.

>as the protest is aimed at the U.S. Army’s Materiel Command, and the fact that Glock just lost the Army’s Modular Handgun System competition to Sig Sauer, it is almost certain that the company is protesting the adoption of the Sig P320 as the M17
It's happening.
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Switching to the M9A3 would have made the most economical sense though, the M9A3 was bid under the M9 and they could reuse hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, of already acquired parts.

It's not just about money, they like change and they like doing shit even if it doesnt make sense.

The M9A3 address every problem of the M9 and surpasses the M9A1 which the Marines adopted in the early 2000s.

Only real change the MHS brings about is now the guns will be Striker fired. Going striker fired but adding a manual safety seems like a downgrade from a DA/SA to me, you still have to train safety disengagement and now you just have a worse trigger.
Bitch and moan, bitch and moan. Glock should be blacklisted from US military contracts for this.
Beretta is TOP TIER in the shotgun world. The 92 series also won contracts ALL OVER the world. It is used by military and police.

The 90-Two didn't take, I like Beretta but even I didn't care that much about it, but it wasn't really that much of a progression. The M9A1 was better recieved and the M9A3 is a great improvement.

The PX4, you're dead wrong on, as it's been adopted by police and military worldwide, Sheriffs and SWAT. It's also doing well in pistol competitions.It's a great gun.
>The M9A3 address every problem of the M9
>still has a metal frame
>still hammer fired
>still has a slide-mounted safety
>still has an open slide
>still uses an overcomplicated locking mechanism
The only real improvements are the addition of a rail and a threaded barrel.

>Going striker fired but adding a manual safety seems like a downgrade from a DA/SA to me
The manual safety is only there to satisfy the bureaucrats, it's perfectly safe to just ignore it or tape it in place.

>now you just have a worse trigger.
No, now you have a more consistent trigger. From a training perspective, it's much better to have a less crisp trigger that's consistent every single time, than a glass rod trigger with a variable pull that you have to train around. Most people in the military, and especially the types who are issued pistols, aren't gun guys. They're not going to be able to take advantage of a slightly nicer trigger pull, and they'll appreciate consistency and reduced training time much more.
This guy gets it. Beretta's biggest weakness is not the quality of their products or a lack of innovation but that their marketing to both civilians and LE is extremely weak.

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Gun Gore thread.

Post any guns that have been desecrated.
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what a fucking monster holy shit

>amd brake
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You could almost do this if you took a SOCOM 16, put it in a Vltor stock, and used the Sage 870/EBR stock adapter to attack an 870 pistol grip to it.

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We had one of these a couple weeks ago, thought I'd bring it back.

Any LEO's on tonight?

I was cosindering applying to my local PD but was unsure of what the standard protocol is on service weapons.

Can you use your own pistol/service rifle?
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>based cop
Would arrest or maglite junkies in the face with/10
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You really want to know?

Come on down, if the heat doesn't melt your brain the academy will!

Shit I didn't even mention some unlucky fucks have to go through this shit in 110° average. I got to go through during winter, only 85°
>I have a better grasp on how to effectively serve my community than someone who's job it actually is

Please tell me how to go my job more effectively keyboard warrior.
Degenerates and crimimals are deemed less important than the general public. This is literally why there is a prison system.
OP, if you think you are gonna be a cop while in PA school you will be successful at neither.

Source: nurse

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So we already knew it'd be awhile until we actually saw P320s military holsters...and now the wait will be even longer. Thanks Glock!
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It's kind of telling. They probably expected Glock to win.
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>$200 per unit cost

Did you want a handjob with that too?
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It's good to see Glock actually cares about the contract. Because judging by what they put forward, it looked like they just didn't care anymore

Ergos are still terrible
Trigger is still awful
Standard sights are still garbage
Not ambidextrous
Not even remotely modular
Higher per unit cost

Pretty easy choice since they both preformed exceptionally well in endurance testing.
glock is totally fine you fucking retard
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Mmm, I love me some Glock™ salt.

It wouldn't satisfy me so if they weren't such insufferable cock socks about their Honda Civic handguns. But since they are...

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Is this thing legal without an SBR stamp?

Also: AK Pistol Thread

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Same as any other pistol.
Ultimate Guide to AR Pistols - The Legal Brief
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Fucking Lawyers
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Can you legally shoulder Sig Arm Brace? - The Legal Brief!

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AK General /akg/
Ribbed Plum Edition
>Thread #225

Old thread here >>33135005
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AMA faggot, ~4500 rounds through it so far
Damn, the deformation is that bad?
Not really planning on going anywhere or doing much operator shit. I just really need a rifle that'll go bang and not kill itself too quickly.
This is the kind of nigger that pines for an Escalade, sells it off to a used lot with a $35000 depreciation, heated seat started smoking, and he got into a oxy fueled fender bender while getting live on the phone with his ratty base bitch
So how has yours treated you?
it got bad enough it'd pop off the rails, but I also didn't catch it early.

best groups with tula are about 1moa, best match grade (privi) i've gotten about .75@100 bench rest iron sights.

I say its a pretty good one

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I've never owned a firearm. Never had one in the home growing up. But I've been spending several weekends at a pistol range, and I've found a favorite.

The grip is the foremost perk for me. I've tried lighter loads in 9mm from the .357 that felt like they kicked harder. for some reason, the fact that nothing edges back into my thumb makes it easier to fire heavier loads on a revolver.

Also, I liked that I can use .38's which hardly kick at all, makes it ideal not only for target shooting, but for budget as well. So, I'd like to know from people who have more experience, would I be wasting my money on this? I'm only interested in target shooting and home defense, wouldn't carry it around in public.
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Magazine fed isn't bad. I was considering the 9mm m9 baretta for awhile. I've been basing my purchase considerations on how comfortable the gun is to shoot. Down the road I might end up getting both.
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>Down the road I might end up getting both.
this is the correct decision i have a 92 fs no problems
9mm m9 baretta
i would suggest this 1st bc 15 rounds is better than 6
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Honestly, I'd want a higher amount of ammo available to me if I ever thought I'd be in a shootout. capacity isn't too much of a selling point for me
>Honestly, I'd want a higher amount of ammo available to me if I ever thought I'd be in a shootout

Like the average homeowner is going to get in a protracted gunfight.

A .38 revolver is an excellent choice for home protection.
OP, go with the gun you like. So many people get salesman'd by tactifags on the internet into getting an allegedly "utilitarian" gun like the Glock 19, and end up regretting their purchase after not too long.

It seems like you know what you favor and what you want, so buy the gun you prefer.

You will be airdropped in the middle of ISIS territory tomorrow

You can kit yourself out with whatever weapons you have in your house right now. Your goal is to be a one man army, and kill as many of them as you can before dying.

What do you bring and why?
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Doubting you have one of those at your house.
>weapons you have in your house right now
I'm currently traveling and have no firearms with me and only my ESEE 6 for knives, so I choose that I guess.
tsar bomba
I bet he could make one pretty quick
A parachute

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/k/ What's your dream gun? Post pics of it, even if you already have it. I'll start: SPAS 12.
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I already own most of my dream gun. It would be perfect if it was an original GP35
You're gonna be uber jelly
>be me 5 years ago
>get tax returns
>be looking for new AK
>lgs calls me and says he has new shipment of AK's
>couple crappy c39s and some nice arsenals
>107 doesn't look bad might pull the trigger
>"wait anon, owner wants to sell some rifle he hasn't been able to sell in the past 5 years"
>goes to back and brings out rifle
>"see anon I'm not sure what it is, it's Swiss but works like an AK, maybe you'd like it"
>sig fucking 550
>trying not to shit pants
>w...w...wow man, it sure looks beat up
>it wasn't

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Me too. Wish some Euro company would make them in 9x19.

I saw 2 (yes, really) at a show recently and just stood and stared for awhile. How often do you see two of these with cases and accessories at the same time?

Would settle for pic related.
Fuck off you get a 550 and complain about it still.
>t. butthurt burgerboi
you nasty bitch

Quick /k/, through some serious meme magic your country has turned to you to create a new special forces unit, you have completely free reign of any decision, your country will spare absolutely no expense and will agree with everything you say.

So please tell us
>Special forces name
>Quick description of what they are and what they do
>Training required
>Vehicles if applicable
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beautiful. when do applications open?
Friday 9pm in Grafton.
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That's actually a great idea
Also, don't worry if you can't make it, recruitment drives will be happening at all the major B&S bashes.
>K.S.P.G.B; Kekistani Special Purpose Guards Brigade
>Internal security and military arm of the Kekistani National Party, ensuring internal order and removing political opposition
>Political indoctrination, party-is-the-state style loyalty. Standard physical evaluation, standard spectrum small arms training, infantry training, MP training
>Literally whatever they can get their hands on. International assault battalions have to make due with any weapons from the highly advanced wood stick to the primitive L85A2.
>Literally anything as long as they have a Kekistani patch.
>Probably public transport or stolen Proches.

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