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Welcome to /k/, 4chan's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well. If you're new, we suggest reading the sticky at http://amagicalplace.wikia.com/wiki/Sticky to get acquainted with the board's subject matter.

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/k/ is a board devoted to weapons and military equipment.

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excellent review of Knights armory by famous russian historians:

https://youtu.be/TDQE8_FcpNc

around 10:00 begins interesting shit about how agile knights actually were.

the whole was part of a program "scientists again anglosaxons". the program was founded to bring back realistic view and understanding of the world against lies and fake shit of anglosaxon "scientists" and their propaganda.
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>>38336267
I wave my testicles at you filthy English pig dog.
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>>38336267
sounds like an awesome talk. wish I could understand it :(
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>>38336267
>around 10:00 begins interesting shit about how agile knights actually were.
What was the guy trying to prove, or disprove?
Because I remember watching a tv show that proved how easy it was to move around, and climb ladders with full battle knight armor on, and this show was pretty old.

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Which was the better tank overall? IS-2 and IS-2 1944 or Tiger 1 and Tiger 2? In terms of all stats.

I know the IS tanks took some parts of the KV's transmission which made them fucky, but also consider a lot of the Tigers retarded designs flaws like the unnecessarily thick side armour and double road wheels. The IS was lighter and probably faster as well as a heavier main gun but both had similar frontal armour between the IS-2 and Tiger 1 and IS-2 mod. 44 and Tiger 2, yet the tiger had better off-road performance. One of the biggest factors though is the production cost, the Tiger being more than 10x the cost of the soviet tank. What's your opinion?
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>>38336056
>The IS-1 and IS-2 were designed to kill fortifications.
The IS-1 came about as an evolution of the KV family of heavy tanks, which were breakthrough tanks similar in initial concept to the Tiger I. Keep in mind that force favors mass over velocity (F=MV^2), and thus, all other variables being equal, a smaller faster projectile will always deliver more of a punch than a larger slower one. This is good for cracking armor, but keep in mind that you can't fit as much boom in a smaller shell. This is generally why we see a sharp divide between early war tanks either having a larger caliber, short gun for infantry support (killing soft targets and fortifications), versus smaller caliber, higher velocity guns for killing tanks.
All this is to say, the Russians wanted a tank that could crack bunkers, and thus opted for a gun that could do the job. Instead of looking to high-velocity anit-tank weapons, they turned to artillery. The 122mm A-19 was readily available, and conversion into a tank gun was easy enough to warrant production. The weapon proved to be highly accurate when paired with good optics, and armor penetration was adequate to deal with the majority of late-war German armor. It should be noted that they did look towards the 100mm naval gun as an option that would be more on par with the KwK 43, the lack of immediate logistical availability and only somewhat better anti-tank capability resulted in a termination of this option. (Ironically, these same manner of 100mm guns would later arm the new T-series MBTs that would kill the IS series)
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While the IS was put into production with a gun known to be capable against tanks, it did not change the fact that the Soviets did not see the IS as a tank-killer. Essentially every other armored vehicle on the field has a more traditional anti-tank gun, with the exception of the ISU-152's "I'm going to rape your fucking face" 152mm howitzer, which was itself an excellent anti-tank weapon. As a result, of an IS-2's standard 28 122mm rounds, 20 were HE and 8 were AP. While a 3.8kg charge of TNT hitting just about anything will fuck it up, it still shows the mindset of Soviet commanders that they would choose to carry so few AP rounds. Between poor ergonomics and an abundance of vehicles more suited for the task (if marginally less powerful), the IS was simply not a tank-killing machine.

The final point I like to consider is this; The IS series would remain in various stages of development and production up to the T-10M. The IS-3 and IS-4 would both see mass production, the former setting off shockwaves among western tank designers that would force the development of vehicles like the M103 and Conqueror. On the other hand, the Tiger I would be developed into the Tiger II, after which the vehicles would both be replaced by the planned E-series of tanks. One set of tanks survived, the other was not going to regardless of the outcome of the war.
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>>38336104
>which was itself an excellent anti-tank weapon.
It was an excellent anti-everything weapon.
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>>38336108
Well the Luftwaffe may have something to say about that, but yes it was quite useful in many battlefield situations.
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>>38336056
>Keep in mind that force favors mass over velocity (F=MV^2)
>a smaller faster projectile will always deliver more of a punch than a larger slower one

First off, those two statements contradict each other. Second, F=ma, KE=mv^2 (kinetic energy). Why the fuck does everyone get this wrong?

And I response to your earlier post, fairly sure the IS-1 was never fitted with the 122mm D-25T, only the IS-2. The IS-1 had the 85mm D-5T.

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AK General /akg/
Stenciled Camo Edition
>Thread #635

Old thread here >>38319451
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>>38335995
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>was at the lgs in February
>a crate of pristine Yugo SKSs for $480
>Arsenal 107R for $800
>no spare money until September
>mfw
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>>38334455
I've heard it argued that tapered cartridges generally extract better when it comes to steel casings (no idea if this is actually true), thus why 5.45x39mm and 7.62x39mm steelcase always extracts so well. But 5.56x45mm steelcase seems to extract just fine in most guns, AR15s, Mini-14s, HK93s, Galils, etc.
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>>38334533
Can confirm. 3500 rounds through it, give or take. Two failures, both from a shit range mag. Cleaned it twice, ever.
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>>38335656
can u dont?
i'm sorry that your AR cannot into underfolder, but it's time to stop

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Directly from the horse's mouth. There is no doubt China is winning the Railgun race now. US intelligence agreed. Dont bother them about it.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/21/china-will-have-worlds-most-powerful-naval-gun-by-2025-us-intelligence-report.html

>The warship-mounted electromagnetic railgun is expected to enter China's arsenal by 2025, according to sources with direct knowledge of a U.S. intelligence report.
>Railguns have long appeared on Russian, Iranian and U.S. military wish lists as cost-effective weapons that give navies the might of a cannon with the range of a precision-guided missile.
>China's railgun is capable of striking a target 124 miles away in under 90 seconds, according to the report.
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>>38335893
>inb4 hurrdurr cherry picked

Nigger it's like saying theres been a massive flood increase after a tsunami just hit. No fucking shit. Id look for something thats not massively left leaning for a news article
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>>38335821
Id also go down and read the article further instead of just taking a screenshot of the thing that supports your claims. It even goes on to contradict muh democracy sucking.


>When democracy works, it delivers economic growth and fundamental freedoms in a way that no other system can. And when it fails, it is rarely, if ever, replaced by a system that can do a better job of delivering for its population. Democracies must therefore adapt or they will further decay. Eradicating political myopia is essential, but even more radical reforms will be necessary.
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>>38328556
>For example the latest variant of the presidential limo during last sets of testing.
It normally works on the same basis of interruption camouflage and is (was) intended to hide subtle styling details from press cameras - less useful these days with digital technology and even less so if you're trying to disguise a house brick, as per anon's picture.

It would probably have attracted less attention if they'd just painted it dark grey.
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>>38323397
Yea, they're so advanced they can't make an obsolete ramp carrier work when the US has over a dozen catapult carriers.

Nice try short dick ;)
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>>38323267
>Dont bother them about it.
is this a Sinicism?

>>38335725
kek

I want this tank but what the fuck happens when it breaks down, where do i find parts
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Easiest (you)s of my life

stop responding to easy bait /k/ jfc
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>>38336266
See
>>38336200

Pretending to be retarded is still just beeing retarded
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>>38336271

Not saying that I wasn't being retarded, but they are just as retarded for actually responding.
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>>38328840
>>38328846
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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>>38336276
The sad part is that there are unironically people who are that retarded.

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>turn 21 soon
>really want to buy a ruger .22 pistol as first gun over everything else
>can't justify it to myself when according to /k/ .22 is useless for self defense

I don't know what to do
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You should buy it anyway op. Shoot it. Love it.

If you want a carry gun get a separate pistol for that role. Your favorite gun doesn't have to do everything. If you can't afford it right away you can keep the .22 at the ready. It's still better than nothing.
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>>38336166
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!
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>>38336113
.22 is like 4 cents a round, 9mm is 18 cents and 5.56 is 25 cents. I'd recommend both a CCW handgun in 9mm as well has your choice of .22 for cheap shooty fun times.
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>>38336113
Why dont you just buy the ruger 22 and down the line buy a proper concealed carry or home defense handgun/long gun. What model ruger any? If your heart desires it then fuck everyone else and buy it. Anon I sold 3 guns to buy my usp tac model a month ago and have no regrets because its somthing I wanted for a long time.
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>>38336146
sad to say but even 9mm at that point of hits probably wouldnt be enough either
Watched a meth head take 5 shots of 9mm before he finally went down. 5 shots over the course of about 10 seconds... but 10 seconds is a long as fuck time

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Congratulations, anon!

you have abandoned your days of watching Upotte! and being a complete neet to work for a gun store.

during your first day a smol frame gril came in asking for a hybrid CC/Home defense gun, stating she didn't have much experience and would like something she could handle and shoot easily.

what do you suggest she buys?

pic unrelated.
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>>38333536
>LCR woodgrips
The perfect gun for someone driving an 80’s Oldsmobile with a faux convertible top.
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>>38333591
This

Glock 19 or 17 m'lady
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>>38333782
No joke, I got a G43 and my Gf has a hard time pulling back the slide. For reasons like this, i recommend SA/DA revolvers. .38 cal is all she'll ever need. Most women are likely to belly gun the damn thing if they ever have to use it
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Make her fingerfuck a variety of guns and ask her which one she's naturally most comfortable with.
Lcp, lcp, a 38 revolver, glawk 19, 43, and a Beretta 84. Also obrez memes.

Is there a single verifiable instance where 12ga 00 buckshot (or a slug) over penetrated during a home defense situation and killed an innocent bystander?
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>>38330437
my fellow navarro niggas
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how do we save fallout /k/?
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>>38330437

I still do not get it why Enclave did not take in the vault people as citizens when they probably are inbred by that time, instead used humans as test dummies for the FEV bullshit
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>>38336219

Replay fallout 1-2
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>>38316987
Firing 00 buckshot is the same as shooting several 60 gr 9mm FMJ bullets at the same time. Overpenetration is harder to achieve with projectiles that are that light traveling at handgun speeds.

A 12 ga slug has quite a bit of momentum, though. But, it is also nearly 3/4" in diameter. Quite a bit of that momentum is spread over a large surface area which decreases penetration.

Now if 00 buckshot misses completely it will probably have a harder time punching through as many walls as most 9mm ammunition on the market. But, if a 12 ga slug misses the target it is far more likely to remain a threat after passing through a wall.

I prefer to rank home defense weapons as follows:

5.56x45mm SBR > .40/9mm pistol or semi-automatic 12 ga 00 buckshot > pump-action 12 ga 00 buckshot > 12 ga slug.

Rounds on target as quickly as possible is what counts. I might suck with shotguns. It just seems easier for me to move an SBR or a pistol around and compensate for misses. Shotguns are more devastating with each shot but are more unwieldy and I can't compensate for misses as quickly and easily with shotguns. If you are good with shotguns a semi-auto shotgun might be the best choice. But, if the potential collateral damage and the recoil is going to make you hesitate or take more time to aim a pistol will allow you to get rounds on target even sooner.

>less than lethal
>sniper blasts your ankle with a .22LR
Gotta admit Israel knows how to handle a riot
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>>38336246
Why? It's a shithole with nothing of value.
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>>38336246
>>38336251
Annexing them, then forcing them to live in the same American state would probably guarantee 15 million more ardent 2A supporters.
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>>38336034
They should try this in Pittsburgh. The only other place basketball Americans would fear getting shot is the their dick.
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>>38336034
is he trying to kill some baby?
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>>38336246
Decolonization was a mistake

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Post everything from shitty but clever boomsticks to really nice guns.
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>>38336248
> Bethesda: "We wanted to design a gun that looked like it was designed by a person who had never seen a real gun before"

translation: We wanted to keep our shitty modelers from skyrim on contract so we could save money.
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>>38336291

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Is the sks, the most robust, overbuilt semi auto, in an intermediate caliber?
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>>38335669
Nice black bolt carrier Russian SKS, looks like mine but with a newer stock. It's not overbuilt, but it's built damn strong and reliable. Mine is 68 years old (1950) and the stock is 60 (1958), it was probably a reserve rifle as soon as it came out of the factory, and probably remained so until the 1970s, then it might've been transferred to a Russian police department before being exported later. Mine was never dunked in cosmoline and was in service its whole life. Easily has been fired more than 10,000 times, maybe even twice that. And in the 2 years I've had it, I have put over 1,000 more rounds through it and never once had a malfunction of any problem with. You'll be hard pressed to see the modern plastic shit last that long or outlast you.
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>>38336282
>You'll be hard pressed to see the modern plastic shit last that long or outlast you.
Except modern "plastic shit" absolutely can and will last that long.
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>>38336288
Show me an example of a 60 year old synthetic stock on a rifle and an example of plastic internal parts lasting 68 years without replacement. I'll wait.
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>>38336300
ARs exist.
You are also under the wrong impression that plastic stock = plastic internals.
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>>38336304
Most cheap lpk's on ARs have plastic internal parts among them. When I first completely stripped my SKS, I had to have it on a press to hold it in place while my brother and I used a punch to push out the bore rod on the gas piston block, you could hit the thing with a sledge hammer and never cause it to break.

Post your retro builds

Just ordered my upper and barrel for a model 604 build, can't wait. Should look like this when done
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>>38335667
What book is that?
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>>38336024
Nice man!
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>>38332885
Not that other anon, but looking to build a retro

Thanks, anon!

Have a catgirl
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>>38336024
holy shit man how did you get that?
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>>38326371
I'm slowly working my way towards a 733 too.

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does being special forces (navy seal) mean you are garunteded to see combat?

did david gooogins see combat did he do stuff? any info on him?
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>>38333141
Depends if there's combat to be had
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>>38333141
These days, it pretty much does. Every SEAL these days is being rotated to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Africa, etc.
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>>38333141
18X, Rangers, SEALs, all see combat.
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>>38333141

No, there are far too many SEALS for them to see combat.

SEALS are elite forces, not special forces. generally speaking, only SEALS involved in JSOC will be used in combat at the moment.



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