It's evolving.>Russians once again storming Krasnohorivka on such "Turtle" with powerful EW systems.https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1783420188261584949>More Russian blyatmobile's appearing in the streets of occupied Donetsk.https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1783397343229776159
Let's cut to to the chase here. Are these things really effective, or are they just smekalka placebo?
>>61489526I don't care, I want them to keep driving garden sheds out into battle because it is so aesthetic. I want them to grow plants on top for 'camoflage'
>>61489526>Are these things really effectiveLooks like it. Makes it nearly impossible for the drones to hit weak spots. They also put EW on it. This one looks like it hit a mine.
>>61489537>day 472>fuel ran out months ago>I have been living off potatoes I grow around the tank and rabbits I capture nearby>nobody has noticed the tank yet>life is comfortable
>>61489526mostly placebo. They will do against anything from the very basic DIY drones with simple grenades/mortar rounds. Anything with a shape charge is going to shit on them anyway and the EW only works on certain frequencies on wireless transmission
>>61489526barely able to fire a gun (i wonder if fired case ejected right on their head)zero visibilityzero chances of escape after being hitBasically big decoy target
>>61489550>day 472as if
>>61489546>Makes it nearly impossible for the drones to hit weak spotsTracks are weak spots, tracks are exposed
>>61489558The tank will survive and can still fire.
>>61489555>barely able to fire a gun (i wonder if fired case ejected right on their head)>zero visibilityDoesn't matter. Only need to see a fire forward.>zero chances of escape after being hitMuch better chances than ammo explosion.
>>61489550>running the unshielded EW system has given me radiation sickness. I am not long for this world
>>61489526Against drones and small munitions? Sure. Against atgms and tanks? Lol no.
>>61489553What about automated missiles like brimstone?Surely the different profile of these tanks might cause some level of misidentification
>>61489555i have heard some russian claims that these tanks apparently dont have functioning guns anyway, and only have a driver inside
Why have cope cage when you can have cope barn?
they are sending the subhumans with their coffins already shut
>>61489591> these tanks apparently dont have functioning gunsWould make sense if you go for survivability.
>>61489518stugbros and chimerabros we are so back
>>61489518So what happens when a Ukrainian literally just walks up to these because they have no vision and puts explosives between the wheels?
>>61489598Nothing because they don't operate alone.
>>61489598Well, the Russians would of course use combined arms to prevent this.In a sane world...
>>61489598Oh c'mon. Real life won't be like video games right?....
>>61489571If you it could turn its turret to fire
>>61489591So you can achieve same result by armoring tractor without sacrificing a tank. Bonus points if you can make it unmanned
>>61489526Ukraine AT teams see them and die of laugher, no ammo expenditure required: it's an incredibly efficient design, mighty Puccia did it again.
The Cope Barn
HOW do you move turret and observe in this zigger can?
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>>61489805Supposedly most of these pieces of shit don't have working guns.
>>61489591>i have heard some russian claims that these tanks apparently dont have functioning guns anyway, and only have a driver insideI can totally see it.I remember one of the recent Russian propaganda press reports where they showed off a tank that had a jittery gun that had troubles stabilizing itself pre- and post-shot. I understand a tank is a tank, but come on what the fuck...
>>61489591>Ukraine complains of dwindling ammo supplies>Russia makes fake tanks to get them to waste ammoits a solid idea
>>61489828Why didn't they use some BMPs instead then?
>>61489842They're saving the few leff for one final suicidal charge
/k/ as usual is only focused on childish shit. These turtle tanks are very interesting for ONE reason: can tanks be made relevant? Is there a solution, a combination of solutions, etc which make these things useful combat assets? Because if the Russians can make tanks survivable in a modern battlefield than that can be improved and refined and become the new standard for tanks which will in turn lead to the creation of new doctrines for land war. Right now the tank itself is on trial and so far it hasn’t been looking good.
It's to camouflage them from Brimstone's MMW seeker. The Russians were frequently losing whole platoons of tanks in rapid succession to a volley of 3-6 Brimstone missiles launched outside line-of-sightSo now they are dressing the tanks as structures to confuse the missile's targeting algorithms
>>61489546That's corrugated tin, the only thing that makes impossible is for the driver to see fucking shit.
>>61489856Sure, anything not in your script is "childish shit" you retarded glavset cock. I'm going to buy your mother and sister for 20 bucks after the war is over.
>>61489856>modern battlefield>childish shit>>>/pol/
>>61489866Deliberately dressing your tank platoon as a mobile shanty town to throw optical trackers would be the funniest possible reason for this.
How far ahead of their time were they?
>>61489918Ukroreich is finkshed....
>>61489913As always Germany is about a century ahead of the rest of the world.
>>61489518Did the ukies run out of all of their ATGMs? Last time I checked they had a whole mess of them across many makes and models. Ghnjnn
>>61489518did most of /k/ show up post-2020? there were shit tons of these weird mad max mobiles in the syrian civil war
>>61489938Well nobody expected second army in the world to end up with same mad max vehicles as fucking syria.
>>61489591I still don't understand the actual point of the turtleWether the gun is manned or not, it's defintely not an effective fire platform (or whatever) anymore.But then we haven't seen the turtles ferry a couple dozen troops to an position either, so what are these for?
>>61489971
>>61489986Final form of trying to foil drones would be my assumption. I suppose the rationalisation would be that it's an even less effective firing platform if it's entering the turret throw olympics because of a $200 Chinese drone and a rigged RPG munition.
>>61489526I want ghetto zigger landships NOW.
>>61489938And an appetizer during Libya.Libyan killdozers were quite varied.
>>61489946
>>61489937>>61489971>Shoot ATGM at it>*beaded curtain noises*
>>61489938It's more the context of who's doing it that's surprising now. ISIS, Syrian fighters, whoever else having to jury-rig shit is expected.Here it's the contrast of the weekend hobbyist craftsmanship with the fact it's a supposed superpower rolling it out.
>>61489937>get out of copemobile>gear gets caught on cuckcurtainoof
>>61490019I'll give the vatniggers one thing. As long as you're not the one who has to get into one of those things, it would be pretty fun to be the guy welding all of that Mad Maкcим shit together. You get to try new things, then watch Ukrainian videos of it being blown up, and then you go "hmm", and try something different.I'm sure it would work too, through trial and error, if the vatniggers weren't such retarded, corrupt assholes.
>>61489937>>61489971Yeah the curtain really makes me think the primary concern behind all this shit is drones.Honestly they might even stop the first drone. The second's probably going to have a clear run though. No good in a drone orgy like you'd see on a major advance but maaaaaybe a little utility in some of the single vehicle stalking stuff, where it's more likely to be an opportunistic drone strike than a concerted effort. If you can take the debuff to dignity associated, of course.
>>61489526You think a 1 mm thick sheet of corrugated aluminum is going do anything?It's just adding weight and making it a larger target.
>>61489986They allow the tank to survive far more close strikes by FPV drones. There's enough standoff (>20 cone diameters) between the shell and the vehicle on some of them to reduce the penetration of a PG-7's warhead notably to the point it might not penetrate the vehicle at all. It also stops the drone from actually being aimed at weakspots properly.Only around 1/5 drones find their target as is, and it takes multiple hits to destroy an MBT, so when you've got these cuck sheds on wheels with EW systems on top of them, you probably reduce the effectiveness of cheap drones drastically.Doesn't save them from artillery or ATGMs on the other hand, but it forces the Ukrainians into using more expensive and less available systems to reliably defeat.
>>61489591I can get behind that but that tells you that this unit:- didn't have a single actual tank available to use here instead.- does not have a way to repair a tank themselves and repair depots in the rear are already clogged upOnly then does it seem to make sense to utilise a damaged platform in this way.
>>61489971>>61489994I don't know why I made this
>>61489937You know, if you mounted those on some thing that was spinning around the vehicle, it should at least be able to kill off FPV drones. It would also be very light, unlike the steel constructions they weld onto their abominations. It would also be hilarious.Wouldn't do shit against non-drones though.
>>61489526Off the top of my head, both the gunner and commander are practically blind, the shed is made out of pot-metal, so it ads zero armour value, the engine and transmission would be a bitch to services, and on top of that, when the vehicles is dissabled the crew will have trouble bailing as the shed would not only contain smoke but also force them all to crawl to the front of the vehicle which is probably not going to be lots of fun, especially if they are on fire.
>>61490060At a 24*CD standoff, you're looking at roughly 50mm of penetration out of a PG-7 rocket.
>>61489518I can‘t wait for the first t72 turret being shot through the roof of one of those sheds.It will look hilarious.
>>61489971Those EFP drones Ukraine is now making would go through this no problem, right?
>>61490054
>>61489938Ever since the end of WW2 Russia was treated as a peer military to the West or at least above all other non-western nations. Their propaganda starting in the 2010s also did a great job creating an image of the new Russian army as this modern, cost-effective and utilitarian force when compared to the US with its obsession of expensive scifi tech and gimmicks. Few people expected them to be part 1991 Iraq and part ISIS reliant on Nork and Iran material support.
>>61489856Nigga it's called EW and the first world has been using it since the Cold War. Turtle tanks are a step back. They acknowledge an inability to control the battlefield thru multilayered defense (air power, ew, integrated defense systems, etc) and are instead adding a fuckload of barrier (limiting the mobility and ability to fire) so that these can be used. Its more of a step backward to when the same was done for tanks in the past. Meanwhile the first world would deploy EW jammers to disable the cheap drones, total control of the air, high mobility arty to shoot and scoot and smart munitions for hard targets. And thats before we even discuss proper drones with real payloads doing loitering ops
>>61490172I saw a few formulations along the lines of 'people expected the Russia that they defended Burger Town from' which I quite like.
>>61490061We'll probably see dedicated heavily up-armored EW vehicles who's only purpose is to firstly disrupt drones and act as a damage sponge for the drones it doesn't disrupt while on the attack. So pretty much a new class of dedicated armored vehicle. Ideally you would have it controlled remotely via a dedicated cable from a command tank or something, so you don't have to endanger the driver but doubt Russians don't care about that.
>>61490181>cableYou're retarded. BTW That's called a fucking tank, retard. God I hate you midwits.
>>61490061>but it forces the Ukrainians into using more expensive and less available systems to reliably defeatA point that's now moot with the US rejoining the effort. The sheds might've worked while Ukraine was suffering from shell famine but now that's not an issue any more.
>>61490217It's always an issue if you need dedicated anti-tank systems or artillery to resolve it. There's only so many you can spread around. These drones are like 400 dollars a pop and can be thrown around like candy.
>>61490168Someone needs to make a vatnigger mechanic sim, but where you play as a character with an IQ above 90.
>>61489869the driver sees fine, it's the commander that doesn't see shit. this tank would only be able to advance in one direction and be absolutely unaware of its surroundings.
>>61490230>the real military peer to the west is ChinalolChina's a paper tiger and nothing more. Throw them at a modern conflict and the illusion crumbles in one go. You don't get peer opposition to the West from a socialist dictatorship with a military that has political commissars and political ideology as a key part of officers' curriculum.
>>61490055>Honestly they might even stop the first drone.No, not it won't. Stop kvetching already, it's revolting.
>>61490061>They allow the tank to survive far more close strikes by FPV drones.No, it absolutely doesn't. If it's something that can kill the tank, the tin roof isn't going to do shit about it other than prevent anyone from leaving.
>>61490077How do you think explosions work?
>>61490227>It's always an issue if you need dedicated anti-tank systems or artillery to resolve it.What drove you to that conclusion? Are you doing krokodil right now? Anything that's going to kill the tank is going to go through that tinfoil paper without an issue.This is the same time of shitwit fumbling to defend the cope cages back in the day.
>>61490252Come on, get a real job that pays more than 50 cents per hour, wumao.
>>61489937>>61489971>>61489994The emperor's tank
>COPECAGES COUNTERS DRONES>start placing cope sheds because actually cages doesn't workLmao
>>61490235>would only be able to advance in one directionIt's getting tiresome to point out, but with the way Russia is organizing and never shaping these raids:most things that Russia sends out do not even get to their destination in the first place.They do not maneuver,they do not delegate sectors of fire to different vehicles in a column,they just drive forward, usually on a road. And that is all they need to do.None of these vehicles are expected to return. If they return, they will be reloaded with warm bodies and sent back out until they don't return.
>>61490227>to combat a tank you need a dedicated anti-tank systemSays a lot about the quality of regular Russian armor when it one doesn't even need AT weapons to counter it.
>>61490294>I want you to act like my straw man plsNo, get a real fucking job you cheap wumao slut and stop trying to promote your dystopia online.
>>61490234>vatnigger mechanic sim>but where you play as a character with an IQ above 90The character would immediately start drinking heavily and commit suicide out of despair.
>>61490268Well, I know explosions (in terms of HE) don't do that much damage to armored vehicles, particularly tanks, so if you could disable an FPV drone before it gets too close, the effect of its shaped charge (or HE) would be diminished.Sure, the russian meat armor would still be compromised, but I doubt they'd have that much meat armor on an armored vehicle or tank with a spinning umbrella full of new age healing crystals.
>>61490323>Chinken-shit deleted his posts to look oppressedHahahahaha
>>61490336Nah, the drinking usually helps prevent that. That's why the USSR was occasionally able to produce something that kinda worked. You just needed to sauce up the Soviet scienticians and engineerians.
>>61489856>tanks are irrelevant>yet Russia go to such lengths as installing an entire barn on top to be able to send out a tank without a functional gunReally makes you think.
Cope hangar lmao
>>61489994>>61490066lol
>>61490365Christ, look at that poor thing's face.
>>61489526... I can't believe I have to write thisImagine being inside of a running tankThat's inside of a garageYou gonna get brain damage or die from exhaust fumesI shouldn't have to write this
>>61489518>https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1783397343229776159Well they seem to have a few tanks left, I thought they had run out. Are they some sort of totemic object now they are so rare on the Russian side, is that why they have a special hat on them? Did the 13 destroyed below not get fitted with their magic mobile cuck shed costume?Russian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded25.04.2024Tanks — 7255 (+13)Armored fighting vehicle — 13942 (+14)Artillery systems — 11836 (+28)MLRS — 1049 (+1)Anti-aircraft warfare — 772 (+1)Planes — 348Helicopters — 325UAV — 9449 (+10)Cruise missiles — 2118 (+1)Ships (boats) — 26Submarines — 1Trucks and Fuel Tankers — 15949 (+57)Special equipment — 1946 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 462980 people (+1040)
>>61490054Idk, if it wasn't a war I feel like some of these would be pretty fun. Looks like stuff people around here make for their hunting clubs
>>61490204If you're going to operate it remotely when it has fucking tons of EW equipment on top of it jamming everything, then a solid cable would be the best option to avoid interference you dumbass.
>>61489526>Are these things really effective,a)Visibility gone for 270/360b)Can't traverse main gun anymore making it the equivalent of a Stugc)Just as vulnerable to artillery as it ever wasd)No protection given whatsoever by galvanized sheeting that is only a couple of mm thicke)Any protection ganined against drones is balanced by the fact the tank itself becomes almost worthless and incapable of taking on enemy tanks and incapable of spotting AT teamsI assume the tanks they are putting in these things actually have broken turrets that can't traverse which we heard reports of with the first t62s Russia used (some have no working ending, some have no autoloader, some cannot traverse turret etc)
>>61490280>What drove you to that conclusion? There's not enough ATGMs to arm every platoon out there with enough missiles and launchers to stop an armored offensive. Terrain isn't optimal for them always either. They're heavy, clumsy systems that cost a shit-ton and can't just be spread around everywhere.Drones on the other hand, they're so cheap and plentiful even Ukraine can have them anywhere they need.>Anything that's going to kill the tank is going to go through that tinfoil paper without an issue.Too much standoff for smaller warheads and impossible to aim them accurately at weakpoints because it's sheet metal 3 meters from the turret rear.>>61490258It's not going through it, it's the standoff distance between it and the tank itself. On some of the turtle-tanks, the standoff is way to the right of this chart itself.
>>61489558>Tracks are weak spots, tracks are exposed/thread mobility kill is kill
>>61490365That’s the secret, soon they will swap out the tanks for regular vehicles this the ukies will waste ammunition on them
>>61490432don't bother, these tourists don't even know the difference between EFP and HEAT warheads
>>61490432>There's not enough ATGMs to arm every platoon out there with enough missiles and launchers to stop an armored offensive.Absolutely are. Further Russia does not have enough tanks left for any major armored operations and in fact can't even concentrate them near the front without them getting destroyed. Do you realize Russia has lost this war? Puttin a shed on a defective tank and driving it into a grey zone saturated with zero'd enemy artillery and rocketry as well as tank hunting AT javelin infantry and drones is a suicide mission for clowns. You're PR for the clowns it seems.
>>61489518Are tanks obsolete?
>>61490444I love the way you visiting vatnigger retards like to toss the word tourists around like no one knows what you are.
>>61490450>Absolutely are.No.It's obvious from the rest of the post that you're not actually interested in /k/ stuff and are in this just for the Current Thing and for Our Team vs Their Team egg measurement.
>>61490397No, it's the war that makes it fun. And you have far more resources and "men" to throw at the wall than the enemy. Sure, your stuff is worse in every aspect, but you have an overwhelming numerical advantage in terms of meat, relic vehicles and rusted metal compared to your enemy. And for every few meters you gain (or feet for the fatniggers across the pond), you gain extra resources, scrap and meat to throw at Ukraine. You can also gamble and criticize the leadership for more ammunition, but this might lead to an instant game over if you push it too hard. Oh, and imagine the local black market, the chink parts you can buy online, and the meatcenaries you can hire from india, africa and the middle east.Someone needs to make this.
>>61490457>Are tanks obsolete?Russian ones, yes. Limited use as pillboxes and for USSR cargo cultists to fap over. They can be obiterated from 70KM away without any risk of retaliation and have massive infra red signatures.
>>61490471Look you fuck I've been here for over a decade and I shit on you and your gibbering aramatard bullshit. If you are seriously trying to argue that strapping a garden shed to an ancient scrapyard t52 and trundling it out with visibility reduced to 90 degrees is a war wining move your as drunk as the idiot that thought of it. Making teh tank near useless and just as vulnerable to a mobility kill is fucking retarded and so are your simpering vatnigger whines about tourists.
>>61490471What's it like being a marked man? How's life in Canada treating you? Happy days down the YMCA licking Putins ass?
>>61490462The Russians are suffocating themselves with the "armor".23 years of war for me. I've never seen such stupidity. Even with farc
>>61489856>These turtle tanks are very interesting for ONE reason: can tanks be made relevant? what the actual fuck are you talking about? how is this even relevant AS a tank? it's a cobbled together nigger rigged close range EW platform with no offensive role.the most you could say about this relating to tanks on the modern battlefield is that they need anti drone systems. wow, big revelation. meanwhile the only reason these things exist is the grinding attrition of the war starved ukraine of the means of quickly dispatching them (pending resupply) with conventional munitions and that still doesn't seem to help much as the examples of these monstrosities are invariably mobility killed husks.
If you put this on top of a tank, and attach it to a rotor like a helicopter, you can say goodbye to FPV drones.
>>61490492Why the fuck are you tripfagging anon? The Russian army is a state of bullshit and OPs post is all the evidence you need. It speaks more of the Russians absolute fucking terror of drones than it does of any invention to cope with them
>>61490176But that's the Russia we got. Supposed elite formations dying en masse while bumrushing stupidly small targets, dronestrikes going down on them like their Natashas on the Churkas back home, BMPs driving around without a plan until they spectacularily explode, the list goes on. Only real difference is that the MW2 VDV had cooler uniforms.
>>61490502Improves morale too, since the crew knows they can't just abandon the tank unless they want to get whipped.
What's stopping a drone dropping a mine in front of it and behind it? Just curious.
>>61490505They may as well give them a magic lucky keyring. It would be less effort and have the same effect.
>>61490502No, you don't. It would just turn a suicide drone into a fragmentation suicide drone.
>>61490504True. I suppose the part we didn't expect is what it looks like a year after Burger Town.
>>61490486>>61490491Yes, yes. You are very upset.
>>61490513I think you and all your kind are cunts that deserve to die. Is that news to you?
>>61490516The lack of rationality and thinking that leads you into being upset over truthful statements is news to me.
Is it some sort of engineering corps making these modifications or is it just the tankers doing whatever they can with the resources they can loot to improve their chances?
What are the frontline Ukrainians saying about them?
>>61490521I think it varies a bit. If they're relatively far behind the frontlines, the мeхбoйz usually do the modifications. If it's closer to the frontline, they use Гpeтчин, because they're more disposable.
>>6149051There is nothing irrational about looking forward to the death of Russian spammers here. Including yours.
>>61489937everyone so creative UuU
>>61489550Dances with Wolves 2: The Smekalka Shed Years
>>61490509Like I said, I don't think they care about their meat shields, and I doubt even a vatnigger would want to ride on top of a tank or IFV with a spinning, horizontal negro whipper on it, not for safety reasons, but because of how close they are to negroes.
>>61490503Where does the tanks exhaust go if the tank is covered except for the front when it's running.
>>61489518>turning your mbt in a casemate td with 0 visibilityeven if the "armor" wasn't made of sheet metal this wouldn't be good tradeoff
>>61489913Yskv
>>61489938>did most of /k/ show up post-2020?Did you show up after up post-2020? Mad max shitboxes in syria were mostly civilian cars and trucks with welded metal plates to protect against small arms fire. Not tanks with sheet metal sheds to protect against drones with shaped charges.
is not for protection, tank of being shy
>>61489518you laugh anon, but its just merely undeployedwhen its fully deployed and it constructs multiple war factories, the glorious rasshian bear shall rise again
>>61490365>>61490374kill.... me......
>>61490887
>>61490712tourist moment
>>61490921kek
>>61489937It looks like those Afghan jingle trucks.
>>61490365I can see the top part working, it's not about muh 1mm of corrugated sheeting, it's about the distance.
>>61490950
>>61490268>>61490024NTA but it worked for the US back in the day.
>>61490978lmao it looks like the buses from spengbab
>>61490922>known middle eastern super power syria did it so its not pathetic for the second army of the world to do itI think its funny that the Syrians did it better too
>>61489526They're resistant to attack, but ineffective as an EW umbrella. There's a video floating around of one leading in an armor column, and all but one other vehicle besides itself are destroyed before retiring to Russian lines.
>>61491065That's meant to destroy stationary landmines, not counter actual projectiles.
>>61489518Just drop a bucket of napalm on it from a drone. That flat roof would melt. Should have went for the steeple model Ivan.
>>61490054Yeah
/k/omrades, are casemates making a comeback?
>>61490922>talk about sheet metal armor making a tank bearly usable>posts diy slat armorDid your mother drop you when you were a child or were you born like that?
>>61491417More like spaced armor.
>>61491426is advanced wars footage.
>>61491112Gentlemen, we have the technology
>>61489828But I thought russia had thousands of tanks to use? Why send out with a non functional one?
>>61489518More like shed tank or hangar tank.
>>61491517Neat.
>>61489869You can hardly see anything from the inside of a tank anyways
>>61491426>how big?However large you need to make an automotive steel assembly, so that it can mount and move with: APS, short-range radar, 30mm RWS, electrical generation for those systems, and some composite armor, perhaps with a wedge-belly hull.
>>61489938>did most of /k/ show up post 2020Yes they did. Reddit fags came here specifically to shill NATO garbage. The moist nugget innawoods/k/ is long gone now
>>61491434>>talk about sheet metal armor making a tank bearly usablenope, unlike you I'm not attention starved and autistic enough to yap to myself then pretend someone said that to me just to vent all the contained autism. we were talking about weird mad max monstrosities in warfare, for the record.hope your parents are dead, I'd never wish it upon my worst enemy to conceive a son and raise him for a decade only for him to turn out to be an autistic waste of oxygen.
>>61491559I have the Squid comic on my laptop, and I'm still here.
>>61489869the driver sees all he can see even with that tin metal, tourist. like the other anon said the TC is the one whose spatial vision would be nuked.
>>61491552Of a Russian tank, that is.
>>61491574Sure and he gains +1 def and +2 int with the tard shell, the ukrainians are finished. You complete fuckwit.
>>61490000So they're trying to foil the drones from killing these tanks by... making the tanks useless and incapable of their main function?
>>61491625is saying 1+1=2 zigger propaganda at this point? what the actual fuck happened to this board. it's /pol/ 2.0
>>61491574>the driver sees all he can see even with that tin metal, tourist.are you stupid? if that driver stuck his head out of the hatch and looked 90 degrees to the side, all he would see is rusty sheet metal
>>61489518Honestly my guess is that with US Aid being so long delayed, there's been a shortage of ATGM's and the Ukrainians compensating with increased use of weaker FPV's in the anti-tank role. Hence the Russians completely turtling up their tanks in response. Hopefully with US Aid back on the table, Ukies will get a flood of new Javelins and we can catch on camera what happens when a tank turret tosses while wrapped up in all that extra crap.
>>61491656No, pretending this idiotic shit is somehow effective, with almost embarrassing confidence, when you know perfectly well anything that busts a tank busts this clown armor is.
>>61491758This.Get back to work fellas, the wait will pass quicker.
>>61490712> Not tanks with sheet metal sheds to protect against drones with shaped charges.Newfag detected. Both the SAA and ISIS had tanks decked out in makeshift protection in an attempt to increase camouflage and survivability against drones and RPGs. ISIS had tanks that legit looked like some hippy white girl and her pothead bf got ahold of and tried to beautify it by hanging and welding a bunch of shit to it.Also, the tinfoil these tanks are wrapped in is gonna do jackshit against shape charges, it’s mostly just to protect against low yield drone drop munitions, protect dismounts from shrapnel (basically reinventing the wheel at this point since the stupid pidors won’t get in the fucking vehicles), and to shield the EW that they’re trying to carry because the body of the tank is too small to carry one internally.
>>61489518Are we as a species reinventing the fucking siege rams from AOE2
>>61491793ABU HAJAAR, WHAT ARE YOU POSTING???
>>61491793The only time I saw that new EW array thing they talk about it was on top of one of these things. Not under the shed, on top of the shed. I don't think they're building the sheds to protect it.
>>61490882we're going to have to act if we want to live in a different world
>>61491882Pretty sure I read I telegram post about how they were building these things around EW set ups that were on the top of the tanks (but still within the shed).
>>61489518>>61489591People are missing the fact that this garage also makes the tanks much easier to see, including by drones, which can spot them and call artillery and mortars on them. It's stupid.>>61490432You can just shoot the cages with multiple RPGs or mortars or artillery you dumb autistic fuck.
>>61491962I've yet to actually see one posted. I have seen one get hit and have a whole squad of infantrymen bail out the back.Which makes me think Russia is running out of BMP's and instead trying to make their remaining T-72's into a shitty (even worse than BMP-3, ouch) IFV.
>>61490486>If you are seriously trying to argue that strapping a garden shed to an ancient scrapyard t52 and trundling it out with visibility reduced to 90 degrees is a war wining moveRussia is winning so yeah
>>61489856Drones? Tank warfare has fallen, millions must be spent on nigger rigged wood and sheet metal barns for armored vehicles....
>>61489614You think the Russians have tractors to spare?
>>61489971Pretty clear this can be used to ferry around infantry without the worry of FPV drones being too high. As the pilot cannot see if there is any infantry from above nor enter the area easily. Makes sense and if it wasn't useful it wouldn't be used.
>>61492196>infantry rides on the top of everything anyway>give them so minor protection and nice shade>t72 cocoons into beautiful tank destroyer>in spring it will hatch into a t80u
On a side note — I hope every one of you sheep who consumed media propaganda uncritically for over a decade about how evil-bad “neocons” were are capable of self-reflection. “Yeah, I guess I was sucked in by the propaganda”. I was also affected to some degree, I’m not claiming to be a saint. But it was just 8 years ago when Hillary was being called a war-mongering evil bitch against Russia and how McCain was a sad, pathetic Cold War relic who was obsessed with stopping the imaginary Putler threat. Remember that, asswipes? Just fucking admit it. Meanwhile the entire neocon establishment CONSTANTLY warned about the threat of Russian aggressive expansion — but a generation was programmed utterly by the media to hate them. For….what? Creating an unquestioned US hegemonic order which is now breaking down? Just admit it that we were played.
>>61492500yeah but neocons are also gun grabbing fudds who can tongue my anus.
>>61492500>Just fucking admit it.Are these people in the room with you now? Where do you think you are?
>>61492456>if it wasn't useful it wouldn't be used.Retarded take
>>61490506EW, I'd assume
>>61489518>Tonight on bo'om geah :Hammoned breathes exhoost foomes and they tastin' a bit knackered innit mateClarks gets a new lada with no seats and no wheels and smells like a funky asdaJameson gets his thunder rod stuck in the top hatch again>Tanks, Cahs, Feet. Bo'om geah, mate.
>>61489937>>61489971
>>61492371https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63176124
>>61490080>when the vehicles is dissabled the crew will have trouble bailingGiven how effective that the T series of tanks is as a launch platform for promoting tankies to cosmonauts, I don't think crew survivability is much of a concern.
>>61492625drones are the mind killer
>>61489526Less prone being destroyed by drones? ProbablyAt the cost of having almost 0 visibility, reducing the gun traverse DRASTICALLY and making the whole thing a nightmare if you try to escape
>>61492500I literally cannot tell who your post is for or against. Safe to say you are literally a bumbling idiot.
>>61489526I mean I guess it will make it somewhat safe from drones, but at the same time the darn thing is no doubt much slower now, have no visibility, its turret might as well not be there for all good it does now and I have no fucking clue how crew is supposed to get out of the tank
>>61492794>I have no fucking clue how crew is supposed to get out of the tankThats the neat part anon, it's a mine clearing tank.When the mines are cleared it's job and the crew are done.No further questions allowedGet in the blyatmobile
>>61492500or how the negro president laughed at Mitt Romney about russia being a threat
>>61492939Or how German parliament laughed at Trump when he said being dependent on Russian gas would bite them in the ass
>>61491559>The moist nugget innawoods/k/ is long gone nowMoist Nuggets haven't been $79 for like 18 years at this point.They stopped being a meme once prices went over 200.
>>61492843I thought that's what the golf cars were for
>>61492456>if it wasn't useful it wouldn't be used.What is this rational actor bullshit? You want a nobel prize of economics for your pseudo-intellectual trash? Fuck outta here back to Chicago.
>>61490289>Qin Shi Huang T-34
>>61491758There's been nothing implying anywhere that the Ukrainians were running low on ATGMs. They were rationing air defense ammo, artillery ammo and heavier armor vehicles.
is this the ramshackle ork tank that, somehow, "just werks"?
>>61489518What would happen if you flew a drone with a molotov cocktail into the hole in the front? The half closed space plus the engine sucking in air could cause some serious problems or am i wrong?
>turns out this is the most effective tank design in this millennia>this is the future of warfare instead of agile mecha spider tanksFUCK THIS TIMELINE
>>61493848What are you smoking you faggot? Ukraine literally said at the very beginning of this war that javelins were so good that they could use several hundred a day if needs were fully met (but that doesn’t mesh with the old 2100 units a year production rate, or the new goal of 4000 units a year), so that means they’ve been conserving them since the start. And very recently they have asked for more javelins after the major armored assaults by Russia started ramping up in winter. Advanced US ATGMs don’t grow on trees, so to the contrary of your post there’s been nothing to imply that Ukraine hasn’t been trying to conserve everything that they’ve been getting from the US, including ATGMs.
Tell me why this wouldn't be a good drone defense system.
>>61493942You will ride the hobo tank destroyer rust gazebo and YOU WILL BE HAPPY
>>61493942Fuck your spider tanks, fuck the russian barn tanks and fuck the potential Leopard 3s. I just want to see the Tiger 3.Teutons, you must embrace your past to conquer the future. You know who you are. Do not shy away from it.
>>61493942Fingers crossed we get AW megatanks instead, like that other anon said
>>61490054>Mad Maкcим lol
>>61489553cope
>>61489526Great against drones with small caliber HEAT warheads, which are one of the greatest threats in modern warfare now.They need to be in two pieces to make full use of a tank and its traverse: side-skirts with high standoff and the roof and roof sides on the turret.
>>61489588if you would operate those tanks in african sheet metal hut cities for sure
>>61493942>mecha spider tanks>ziggers build a shed ontop of itBABA YAGA!
He's back! It's beautiful
>>61489553>Anything with a shape chargeIt would be particularly effective against shape charges since what you see isn't massive armor but mostly air. That's how it all started.Why the fuck do you just talk out of your ass like that?
>>61489938Serving in that thing must've been so fucking cool
>>61489518Orc-O-mobile
>>61497947If only.Won't ever get revived though, because it isn't literal plastic.
>>61491566>thread is literally about turtle armor >calls people tourists mentioning something barely related to the topic>calls people autists while abruptly exploding in a fit of rage over a post So your mother huffed glue before you were born, I see. When was the last time you had a conversation with a woman?>>61491793Got any pics? I've only ever seen homemade APCs and nigger rigged slat armor on tanks or shit like pic rel. >tinfoil these tanks are wrapped in is gonna do jackshit against shape chargesOh I know. Just assumed this was the idea when they decided to build those monstrosities.
>>61492500I'm sorry I do not talk to neocons
>>61489575>doesn't matterYou can't be this delusional. It matters a great deal and you know it
>>61497947if they get it running they will weld a barn on it and drive it in a minefield
>>61489518I dont understand why the ziggers are doing this with tanksWith APCs it would make perfect sense as they are extremely vulnerable to drones and dont have a fuckhuge turret that needs to be able to traverse 360. Plus they actually have an infantry cargo they need to get to a destination
>>61490393same bot as the abrahams thread?
>>61499329Its the same zigger shill as always having his daily meltdown
>>61499329he's not wrong tho, what do you need that vision for, to notice a drone you can do nothing about?can't hit it, can't outrun it, nothing
>>61494031Your mistake is thinking Ukrainians only have US made ATGMs.
>>61499592You seem to be yeah. Get the fuck of fthis board you brown vatnigger loving retard. Just for youRussian losses last 24 hours and totals, personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded26.04.2024Tanks — 7262 (+7)Armored fighting vehicle — 13957 (+15)Artillery systems — 11867 (+31)MLRS — 1049Anti-aircraft warfare — 772Planes — 348Helicopters — 325UAV — 9461 (+12)Cruise missiles — 2119 (+1)Ships (boats) — 26Submarines — 1Trucks and Fuel tankers — 15984 (+35)Special equipment — 1962 (+16)Military personnel — aprx. 463930 people (+950)
>>61499647>Get the fuck of this board you brown vatnigger loving retard
>>61497957nigger its fucking rusty aluminium sheets and thin wood planks. You hit it once the armor is done.
>>61499661>saaaaar do not redeeeeeem the drone drop vidkek
I like dead Indians. Of course Indians are not a race but a nationality so I am free to despise and discriminate against them as it is not racism.
>>61499681Sound logic. I too, wish for more dead indians of indian nationality
>>61499689Funny how within 10 years of India getting mobile data and internet access, the world wants them dead.
>>61493942Go suck more mechanical dick, Cybran fanboyGaint bricktanks are the future for our species
>>61499729it's UEF not cybran
We need more videos of Indians being dismembered by Ukrainian drones
>>61491559>The moist nugget innawoods/k/ is long gone nowYou realize the nugget being a meme never had anything at all to do with being pro-Russia, or even saying Soviet weapons were good right? It was the best gun available <$200 to 2000s teenagers, and that's what gave it meme status. It was despite it being a Russian piece of shit, not because of it.
>>61489938>>61491559>Ackshewerllly sweetie, /k/ was always a pro-russian boardGet. Fucked. After all the fucking indignities of armatards -continual- shilling and shitposting over the years, all of the shitposting mandic did this is the most pathetic gaslighting from /pol/troons/russians ever. And every time they do this they betray the fact they were -not- here for the clankening or the shitbox appreciation or the endless toyota war and technical threads we enjoyed. Threads we enjoyed but you didn't, because you weren't fucking here. You don't even know what the clankening was./k/ is, was and always will be real fuckin' nato territory.
>>61499767>/k/ is, was and always will be real fuckin' nato territory.this
>>61489971Rogan?
>>61499757They have to spam the moist nugget meme because there isn't a single, not a single other example of /k/ being even vaguely pro-russian or having a pro-russian meme. That should be pretty telling on it's own, when other boards like /int/ had dozens of pro-russian memes (cheeki breeki, routed through omsk, slav squat etc. etc.).Even STALKER memes are Ukrainian in origin.
>>61499767exactly, in this house we believe in supporting NATO and Israel
>>61497947https://youtu.be/-ES23DhQbTk?si=sMZZMlUfXaSudexy
>>61490432>There's not enough ATGMs to arm every platoon out there with enough missiles and launchers to stop an armored offensive. Terrain isn't optimal for them always either. They're heavy, clumsy systems that cost a shit-ton and can't just be spread around everywhere.Where as MBT's are cheap, ubiquitous, light weight, and easily deployed everywhere? The Ukies have been using combinations of ATGM's and artillery (often assisted by observation drones mind) to butt fuck Vatnik armor rushes pretty much the entire war. The recent increasing reliance on FPV drones is because of ammunition shortages due to US aid being held up and the Euros being slow to ramp up production. Not because ATGM's and artillery stopped being effective anti-armor weapons in this conflict. >>61499645>Your mistake is thinking Ukrainians only have US made ATGMs.Obviously not. But given the size of the US defense industrial base compared to most other countries, Uncle Sam is a major chunk of the available potential resupply pool. And I have a hard time believing the Ukies didn't burn through a lot of ATGM's while doing all that damage to the Vatniks during and after Avdiivka. Shells and air-defense are the big picture thing the US aid package is addressing, but I think they're also gonna be really glad to get another influx of Javlins.
>>61492500>Remember that, asswipes?Yeah, remember where those narratives came from, you blithering fucking idiot? Way to fall prey of irony, you dull cunt.
>>61494037Why are you so hung up on this stupid bullshit you concocted?
>>61490978What a waste of a helicopter body.
>>61494037And none of that was in the hobbit which is a lovely kids book
>>61489591This is extremely likely to be the case. I've never seen any of the turtle tanks shoot on video, even though they're presumably driving towards the enemy positions.
>>61499791Post an organic pro-russian meme originating in /k/ from the 2008-2014 period. You can't, because such a thing does not exist.
>>61492500I always supported McCain and defended him on /k/. The man was the definition of chad.
>>61489591>i have heard
>>61489518Cirrugated iron roofing sheets are thenew tank armour.Bob Semple vindicated.
>>61489591>i have heard some russian claims that these tanks apparently dont have functioning guns anyway, and only have a driver insideMakes sense from looking at the picrel. The gun is elevated at like 30 degrees. Unless they're attacking another slag pile there's nothing up there to shoot.
>>61491517Impressive
Test
>>61499617To notice absolutely anything else, from physical obstacles to mines to enemy infantry to enemy vehicles and so on. The number of threats in Ukraine are definitely not limited to drones you retard
>>61490462Why is sponge bob a furry and why is patrick black?
>>61489918Behold, the A7Z
>>61499895>Where as MBT's are cheap, ubiquitous, light weight, and easily deployed everywhere?You're not thinking russian enough.>tanks keep getting blown up>cover tank in sheet metal shed>remove tank and replace with golfcart>"tank production" increased 5000%
>>61489553>mostly placebo. They will do against anything from the very basic DIY drones with simple grenades/mortar rounds. Anything with a shape charge is going to shit on them anyway and the EW only works on certain frequencies on wireless transmissionAnon... I... Haven't you heard ANY of the PEREMOHA seeping out of Ukraine the last years. There's heartwarming story on story about QTπ кopoлeвa-пiдлiтoк Olena/Oksana/Yuulia who like commutes 1h erry evening by bus to manufacture drones worth $5K a pop that may destroy russian tanks worth $2M (giving it a ROI of 1:400).Now, if Russia could shoot down said drones with a lazor where the electricity bill is only $1D a shot, the ROI is 1:500! XDThe age of the drones will end before it even started. The age of lazors and turtle tanks are here. WAAAAAAAGGGHHH!>>61491552>You can hardly see anything from the inside of a tank anywaysCan be solved with cameras.>>61490978I really like the Fallout-æstethiks! :3
>>61489537Sounds like something the UE should be interested in.>we made our military vehicles emit 0 CO2 by planting crops on the roof
>>615011727D underwater Parcheesi.
What?
>>61491559>most powerful military alliance in the world>garbageLord they're deluded.
>>61499771Lol. Lmfao.
>>61501309>if Russia could
>>61499784As if the average k tard even factored that into literally anything.
>>61500425Now do the same for Ukraine. No...muh..."Stalker was Ukrainian" doesn't count. Because the director of the movie was Russian A.) And B.) No one on K made any logical distinction between those 2 groups of people before the war for meme purposes.
If the Russians were so smart then why don't they just weld steel plates around the tank to make armor a little thicker and just use xbox huge ERA blocks that can mold around tank including the top? Am I the only one thinking this?
>>61502413>KWhat is the entire Klankening you fucking nigger
>>61502426because those little drones just go explode on your optics. you can armor a tank with 10,000000mm of ceramic and still get mission killed
>>61502413>Now do the same for UkraineYou're so close to figuring it out anon. There are no pro Ukrainian memes pre-war because no one cares about Ukraine>b-but muh shillsNo one fucking cares about Ukraine. If they get annexed tomorrow, we wouldn't shed a single tear for themAll we care about is that more Russians die.
>>61502413So you agree, there is not a single pro-russian meme.
>>61502395Sneed.
>>61490887>>61490921>Thi tank r drunk tookhrekAlso... am I retarded or they put impacts facing mines??? lol
>>61489518>>61489526Realistically, how much will that much spaced armor interfere with shaped charges?If an RPG drone hit the detonated on the roof and sent a shaped charge into the back of the turret, would it still be able to penetrate?
>>61502545>hit the detonated on the roofMy bad meant to just say>detonated on the roof
>>61502451But you wouldn't be saying shit if it wasn't for the war. Lmfao. There wasn't any bloodlust seethe before the war. So your argument, does not succeed.
>>61503087>been listening to xaxaxa Ruccia in Lisbon two weeks for 20 fucking years>there was no blood lustMaybe because you're an underaged zoomer faggot with the attention span of a gold fish
>>61489518me circa 2021>casemate vehicles will never make a comeback, shut up about them.guess the retard was me this time.
I fucking love Blastoise!
>>61502545>detonated on the roofI don't think drones can hit straight down so it would do nothing if hit the roof
>>61503087>But you wouldn't be saying shit if it wasn't for the war.i think you're forgetting how much irritating shitposting russians have been up to since 2016
>>61489593kek
>>61489558waste and not certain and hard to hit so low
Molotov/termite on the roof gonna bake this bread.
>>61491522only about 20% of that stash was actually operational after years of neglect and corruption.
>>61489918>>61501046That's not a Char 2B?
>>61489918What a fucking G
>>61489938Nigger you too would wonder how a Polar bear got to the African savannah
>>61489555They really should go with a casemate tank considering it would save on weight and give added protection.
>>61503598
>>61491522>But I thought russia had thousands of tanks to use? Why send out with a non functional one? it's a mystery
>>61503087That's the next thing you forgot, anon: Absolutely no one would care if Russia actually managed to blitzkrieg Ukraine. However, you fucking failed hilariously. Might makes Right, and you demonstrated an utter lack of Might
>>61490430>iincapable of taking on enemy tanks and incapable of spotting AT teamsrussians don't use tanks for taking out AT teams, they use storm Z guys, recon drones and cluster artillery for that. Actually it's easier for RU to counter ATGM teams in trenches than mobile AT drones the ukrainians have. this thing has been explained as an anti drone shield to lead the line of BMP's with its jammers, recently two motorized brigades broke the line near adviika using such DIY anti drone measures.
>>61501309You just tacked on your laser bullshit to turtle tanks for whatever reason. I think the schizophrenia is taking the best out of you.
>>61504666>this is enough to beat NATOwhat is this hell?
>>61489526It's good if you are worried about drones more than anything else. Spaced armor is spaced armor, even if it's made out of junk and it's enough against drone-sized payloads.You've got to understand that just not getting blown up by drones before entering the grey zone is already a massive improvement for the average Russian assault unit. Any other drawbacks can come after that.
>>61504887But this isn't preventing that at all, if the payload is enough to blow up a tank, some corrugated sheets aren't going to do anything. If it's not, then it wasn't going to stop the tank to begin with. This serves no purpose whatsoever other than further impede visibility on those death traps.
>>61504894Ziggers claim the first one had mine clearing equipment or something
>>61504894Slat armor exists to counter basic RPG warheads. Guess what a lot of anti-tank drones use? RPG warheads.A non-modern RPG warhead is going to lose much of its ability to punch through if it blows its load too early.The visual cover also helps a lot, because the Ukrainian drones are targeting sights and the back of the turret. You don't even need an RPG warhead to kill a tank's eyes, while the latter is especially problematic because a direct hit can turret-toss the entire tank in one shot thanks to the ammo detonation weakness.
>>61504906No relation to the tard helmet they put on top.>>61504910This isn't slat armor, this isn't armor. This shit wouldn't stop a 9mm round. What in the world did your parents do to you?
>>61504947Made me go quickly re-educate myself on actual slat armor (the spaced armor). So yeah, I was wrong on the penetration reduction, mostly at least.The idea of slat armor is not to detonate the warhead before it hits the tank surface, but let the warhead pass through and merely deform the sides of the RPG before it hits the main armor, therefore fucking up the shaped charge formation process. If the warhead hits the slat cage on the tip and it detonates there, the explosion may likely shape the molten "spear" (the shaped charge) properly, which can then pierce through both the cage and the armor.The blyatmobil garage might still be worth it for the other aforementioned reasons though.
Is this a turtle tank?
>>61504881What do you even mean by beat NATO, Ramesh?You mean the 4% of yearly defense spending of one of the NATO countries represented in old tech?Also, what you are seeing are all rusted non-functioning vehicles that Russia still counts as battle-ready.
>>61489537>I don't care, I want them to keep driving garden sheds out into battle because it is so aestheticI want them to progressively get larger the more they travel. like, they pick up different parts from other wrecked tanks and adds them to itself. I'm pretty sure there's a video game like this somewhere that had this option.
>>61502413>STALKER doesn't count because the director of the movie was RussianThis fucking guy...
>>61504910SLAT armor isn't sheets of rusty aluminium and plywood...
