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Just signed. LETS DO THIS
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>>78750461
The left always demands re-votes and recounts. Remember the 2000 US election? Expect of lot of REEEEING for recounts in November.
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>>78751982
>t. Butthurt Bolshie
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>>78751317
>media claims 4 people regret voting leave
Shit! Suspend democracy!

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CONFEXIT FUCKING NOW

YANKIES GET OUT REEEEE
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>>78751744
This isn't a good thing. I want transplants to stay out of my state.
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So if we were to secede, would slavery be reinstated?
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>>78751815

Me too.
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>>78751767
WE WOULD LOVE TO
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>>78751409
Mormons had a reputation for kidnapping and other crazy shit in those days. The upper echelons still have shady dealings.

Donald Trump appeared to soften his tone in two critical campaign promises on Saturday, saying his supposed blanket ban on Muslims entering the United States wouldn’t really be a full-on prohibition as he also walked back promises of mass deportations.

The day began with the presumptive Republican nominee appearing to contradict his vow to fully ban Muslims from entering the United States, telling reporters on a golf course in Scotland that he wants to restrict entry by people from a number of “terror countries.” That came after he said that it “wouldn’t bother me” if a Scottish Muslim entered the United States. Which countries would he consider to be “terror countries”? Trump didn’t specify. "They're pretty well-decided. All you have to do is look!"


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/06/25/trump_no_longer_supports_full_ban_on_muslims_entering_u_s.html
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>>78744812
Pretty sure there was never a "blanket ban". He was clear from the get go of not allowing people coming from hostile regions that farm terrorism to be allowed entry into the United States. Of course...that meant Muslims because not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslim.
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tbqh he should ban all migrants except white europeans
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>>78744812
Hmm lets see...
>ban Muslims from mid east
>EU takes more refugees
>wait few months for citizenship in any EU country
>get on plane to America as I am coming from EU and not "listed terror country"
>arrive in U.S legally.
>go to gun show
>acquire firearms
>proceed to Allahu Akbar the filthy Americans
>???
>72 virgins

This is absolute genius, trump's plan could never fail.
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>>78744975
lmao how do you retards believe your own bs this badly?

Trump said "I think that we should definitely disallow any Muslims from coming in. Any of them. The reason is simple: we can't identify what their attitude is."

Face reality. Trump is a liar, even when it comes to issues that matter to you a lot.
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>>78744812
you're an idiot if you think trump is hardline on any of his policies

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Well, what now?

Source: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/284910-trump-shifts-tone-no-mass-deportations
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>>78751328
As others have pointed out above, that is due to the way the Ubungu administration has defined "deportation".

See >>78751403
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>>78751328
Here

http://www.vox.com/2014/4/11/5602272/removals-returns-and-deportations-a-very-short-history-of-immigration
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>>78738707
Wasn't he always going to deport illegals and nothing else? If anyone thought he'd have a militia of minutemen rummaging through neighborhoods looking for colored folk to put on a boat, they didn't understand what he was going for.
This article is literally the
a) say something outrageous to get in the news as a nutjob
b) clarify it to get in the news as a waffler
c) get the message out to as many people as possible that you are reasonable despite the bluster
strategy that he's done so many times before
C'mon media, you should have learned by now
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>>78740013
ROLLIN FOR REACTION
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>>78751403

>>78751447

Explain...

All I've read was that the Obuma administration started to include people who were caught trespassing the border as "deportations". It shouldn't inflate the numbers THAT much - does it?

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As pointed out by >>78728550

You've probably seen the new "No Apologies" video by now. Amazing production qualities, right? Who made such an incredible propaganda video for us?

As it turns out, it's because the video was likely made by Russian state propagandists.

Compare the following videos, and notice the eerily similar production qualities & visual content:

"I'm a Russian Occupier" (propaganda video made by Russia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T65SwzHAbes

"No Apologies" (/pol/ propaganda video made by ??????????????)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63PN2bxAXE

AREN'T THEY EERILY FUCKING SIMILAR??? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON??? WHY IS RUSSIA MAKING ALT-RIGHT VIDEOS???

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>>78751485
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>Russia is Medivh in Warcraft 3, coming back in the end to right the wrongs from long ago in setting forth the destruction of mankind
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In my honest opinion.

If Donald Trump is elected, he will ally with Putin to bring world piece.

They want to use their power for the good of all countries if it means both of them can be superpower allies. Russia is coming conservative because they see what's happening in Europe. They are mobilizing.
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>>78751756
You think Russians actually give a shit about superficial bullshit like muh whiteness and European values? Geopolitical domination is the only thing Russia is after, Moscow has more Muslims than all of the UK combined.

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Does your age effect your politics?

http://www.strawpoll.me/10589264
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>>78750597

Don't blasphemy.
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>>78751938
I'm 420 years old
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>>78745861
>most of /pol/ is in their 20s

Well, now we know where the cancerous 'Russia is so based!!1 I love Putin!" redditards come from. They never experienced the Cold War.
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>>78745861
33.

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Why doesn't the left support Trap acceptance/rights movement, /pol/?

Based on all the shit that Traps get here - you would definitely think they would count as an oppressed class, wouldn't you think?

Accordingly, are Traps just not visible enough yet - or is there some other reason the Left isn't promoting Trap acceptance?
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>>78750477
i don't know what the 'basic' philosophy of this board is but there is something to be said for women who have lower standards than most prostitutes
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>>78750477
Ashley Jones was the only one
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>>78748955
What is "P2S"? I only remembered as far as AA.
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>>78751696
she didn't want kids, though, and she was a NEET, and she had a pepsi and McDonalds addiction.

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Lets have a trades thread.

I'm a millwright, also known as an industrial mechanic, and made a thread here a week or two ago. My work is pretty specialized in the area of industrial automation and also requires me to be a licensed journeyman electrician and certified welder because my work demands a lot of skills.

I'm from Texas, have never been to college, and make a solid six figures. My company flies me all over the US and Canada to do jobs because there are so few people who can do what we do. We're now halfway through the year and this week was the first week I've had two consecutive days off, if we exclude days spent at airports.

We're so damned busy that we need to hire 35 more people who can mechanic, weld, and electrician well, but there are very few people who can do any of these even halfassedly. If you can do one of these well and not be a fuck up 80% of the time or better my company would be happy to pay you 50-60k. If you can do 2 of the skills well and not be a fuck up 90% of the time, my company would be happy to pay you 70-80k per year. If you are completely reliable (as in you can work 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, for a month straight) and can mechanic, electrician, and also weld, you can easily earn 90 - 130k at my company.

Yet there are so few young men who can do any one of these skills and also work very hard. Have young men given up on doing hard work?
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>>78745377
I respect blue collar people but I am unable to get those skills. I tried to learn them but was so bad the teacher recommended I quit the course.
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>>78745377
that works out to 23.50 an hour
for 7 day a week 16 hours a day 50/52 weeks a year
For 3 certifications and working 16 hours a day

Yeah I'm just lazy not doing basic math
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>>78751995
sure
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>>78745377
Tricked into university.

I fell for it, too. "Oh anon, the sky's gonna fall if you don't get a bachelor's"

Signed up for HVAC training that starts in August.
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>>78746998
>implying anyone in oil and gas who does field work makes as much as top hourly positions

Yeah no.

t. driller who makes more than my pusher and any company man I've worked under

Behold: the most powerful object in the history of mankind.

Countless kingdoms and empires have been raised and destroyed because of it.
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>>78751173
I have problems... :(
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>>78750922
You go to the gym? What a complete dickhead. God granted you a certain number of heartbeats and you waste them in the vanity of a gym?
Brainwashed prick. Do not listen to the cunt iv quoted
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>>78741241
A string
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>>78751173
Your alive, be thankful.

Redpilled movies
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>>78749612
Not that guy, but the movie obviously didn't want you to hate the dude.
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Certainly NOT the new Independence Day. Watched it today with my dad, he loved the first one.

Pure propaganda. "global unity", Hillary Clinton knockoff president, a gay couple, weak white character is cucked by strong black man, "we are one race: the human race" monologue before the climax, and a gay couple.

Also the director is openly gay and the writer is Jewish.

/pol/ was right again
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A Scanner Darkly. It is a fantastic movie, Philip K Dick was so red pilled, even if he did do Meth. I think it was his best work. Too bad I can't really explain the film without ruining it.
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>>78751923
Well you just saved me some money, i wonder if any good streamers out there.
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death wish

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When will basic income become a human right? Even Thomas Paine advocated for it
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>>78749572
If basic income is slavery then so is regular employment, yes? I mean, you are dependent on your employer for your lively hood, are you not? Even if you quit your job you will need to find someone else who will hire you eventually just so you can continue to purchase your basic necessities.

I guess if you want to throw terms like 'slavery' around, then one must recognize that even in our current society we are and have always been slaves of some kind. I guess if you like to go out and 'hunt' for your income, does that give you the illusion that you are free and provide some level of comfort?
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>>78750066

On a moral/ethical perspective:

I believe Marx got the meaning of 'job' right.
Marx said that a man is defined by the product of his very hands. Therefore I believe that work is mandatory because it makes Man who he really is.

On a microecon perspective, I believe the time-money relation holds on pretty good. One is paid because he gives up his product and his time in order to acquire currency and purchase goods. It's completely legit to me.

Summarizing, work is necessary because it makes Man a Man and can be exchanged for currency, along with time.

If basic income is introduced, these relations completely fck up because work loses all its value since you acquire currency without the need to realize yourself as a human.
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>>78750066

On a macroecon perspective, I think very few Countries can provide basic income without contracting enormous amounts of public debt.
Also, salaries go to hell completely. Let's say one is paid like 1500 dollars a month just because he exists.
Would he accept a 1600 salary for a job? 1700? 1800? 1900? 2000?
Would he accept to work 10 hours a day to get 2000 or would he lay around getting free 1500?
When does this end?
A lot of blue collar jobs and menial jobs would go all out completely and salaries may rise because the basic income of 1500 is quickly accepted as the new base like 0 was before.
One who got 3000 a month may ask to get 4500 because 1500 of his salary are not 'earned' since the State could provide them.
There are just too many issued with a basic income.
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>>78749572
I think basic income can only be implemented with strong societal constraints and legislated subjectivity, such as controlling who can and cannot become reproduce, and demanding some sort of production in return. I like the idea as a way to expand the culture of a nation, on the principle that culture is a product of leisure, or as a way to allow further education.

If a person on basic income is to produce art, the art should be judged to meet the standards of consumption for the community. No "artist" should receive income for producing an album of various white noise, or a canvas entirely painted red, unless it should prove to be incredibly popular, even in a subversive way.

Should a person prove unable to produce usable art within a certain period, or should their education prove unable to produce an invention, business, or job within a certain period, that person shall be moved from the leisure basic income to a working basic income.

Concerning economic effects, a nation is not a business, and the goal of a nation and government is not to increase the GDP and employment of it's citizens, but rather to provide them with the means to reproduce, and to ensure that the nation (the genetic entity of the citizens) is forever capable of reproduction. However, economics should not be considered to be any small part of that.
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>>78746583
People who don't earn their way in the world actually deserve to starve.
Basic income would rapidly lead a country straight to destitution

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Explain this meme fags.

Which jobs are being automated exactly? How many human jobs is this costing? I haven't seen any fucking robots anywhere and don't know anyone who has met one.
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>>78749703
The heamotological tests are still predominantly done by a tech of some sort, but in time biotech will replace alot of in house testing. Just not in the immediate future
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>>78750165

The problem is that humans think linearly.

Change happens exponentially.

I suspect if Kurzweil continues to be right, that we will have human intelligent AI by 2029.

At the time it will cost millions if not billions to run a human equivalent AI, but with exponential returns we will see an AI cheap enough to replace the average worker shortly thereafter.

Eventually even scientists and engineers will be replaced and the robots will design, repair, and upgrade themselves.

By then you should hope we are allowed to vote for communism or socialism because everyone will be out of work.

This will most likely be by 2045.

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Can someone tell me what the fuck is going to happen to us? The obvious thing is no more cheap labour immigrants right? Easy enough we can live with that.

So what happens when the lowest classes can't have jobs at all? They Guaranteed income?

What happens to our culture, social dynamics when this happens? It's scary to think about.
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>>78750814

((Ray)) is generally right but fucks up timelines on a regular basis. his detractors though are retards because they don't look at converging technologies, instead they pick one area and think it'll stay on that trend forever.
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>>78749543
God the Singularity will be great, Hope I'm here to see it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G880gxjj9dI
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>>78739713
Trees are just niggers with green Afros.
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>>78751142
>>78751247
>>78751304
Samefag here. See, more black n white. Clearcutting in patches in the middle of nowhere ok? Thats where i timber cruised. Nobody goes there or sees it and patches are small enough compared to the tract that ecocentric concerns are mitigated. Or, in conservation areas, shelterwood or selection logging. I guess selective logging, or high-grading, would be an ultimate no-no, but, what if a landowner wanted to naturally breed a "dwarf variety"? Theres no deforestation in the first world btw. Just reforestation of young trees; too late to enjoy millions of acres of old-growth, 10' longleaf pines. Also look up lebanons' historical forests.
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>>78742001
kek
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>>78739713
I think jungle beaners are cutting down all the rain forest trees we need for breathable air. not only that but multiplying like rats in the process

Erdogan calls for swift removal of Trump name from Istanbul Towers over The Donald’s ‘Islamophobia’

https://www.rt.com/news/348390-erdogan-trump-tower-istanbul/

How will Drumpf ever recover?
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>>78750760
Turkey is a totalitarian theocracy. They can do whatever they want.
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>>78744016
No matter, we'll be taking Constantinople back.
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And the EU wants these subhumans to join their club
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>>78745666
It's New Detroit not Istanbul.
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>>78745666
maybe if you worship the devil

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AMA
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>>78743485
Keep it up bro, you'll be swiss cheese when you pick the wrong motherfucker to pull this on
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>>78744822

No, because any pride parade starts in Mt Vernon (already full of homosex) and heads down to the Inner Harbor, which is for tourists.

I'd say "Hi fellow Baltimore-fag", but you're clearly not from here.
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>tfw I have to go to pride in sf tomorrow

do you guys want me to post pics too?
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>>78737870
post more traps plz
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>>78744255
Checked.

Who is this sloot?

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post more like this
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>>78745023
Actually those people's ancestors used to work in the factories
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>>78750758
Yeah but s/he is right less anti discrimination funding now :/
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>>78750028
>immigration is a buzzword
KEK
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>>78749727
>most people

The thing is, most people aren't acting like a bunch of assblasted pansies. I actually had a few pints with some remainers yesterday and they told me they were eagerly waiting to be proven wrong.

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What is it? Where are these people coming from? Is this a new thing? Why do they all look so similar? No memes, I doesn't seem like this question ever has a clear answer.

I'd personally put my money on most of them being raised by single mothers. A lot of people seem to think its "special snowflake culture" where we tell everyone they're special, but it doesn't seem to be the cause to me, a lot of SJWs believe they're important, but they're also very self deprecating, especially the males.

Is it possible that it's just genetics?

If we figure out the cause, we can put an end to it.
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>>78750852
What? How is that related in any way?
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>>78721936
God gave them over to a reprobate mind. Look into it.
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>>78725929
This thread is genderfluid you homophobic faggot
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>>78751427
I've been on pol its entire existence.

But to re-iterate, the "alphaism" "Honour", "Frame"; there's many words for it; It's Social identity.
When someone holds their social identity, and doesn't break, they never fall. The power of money, for example, has that social identity power, because people believe in it, and it doesn't fall, because it can't react; it only reacts as a market force, in which case people who are economically responsible will hold their money. A rich man with 2 dollars makes more money than a poor man with 2 million dollars. SJW culture is the same way; they have media people on their side, celebrities, etc; you'd have to be a fool to be against them. The way Donald Trump acts, he doesn't even look at the man he's debating, and he still wins? Wanna know why? He's an alpha; he has a social identity and didn't let go of it; he didn't react, he wasn't indecisive; he put himself out there and said "Come on" and didn't bend or break, because that's WHO he is.
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>>78751751
Read
>>78752024

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was i really the worst president?
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Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Dubya

Probably in that order from worst down actually
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>>78750347
>objectively
What's your objective? see >>78749822
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>>78748163
No - there's always LBJ to set the bottom. And Obama and W are certainly right in the mix with you for 2nd place.
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>>78748277
>dubs
how old are you my friend
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>>78748163
> Iran acts like the dirty Dunecoons they are
> ready to go to war
> cucks up and doesn't go to war when the plans are set up at the last second

Yes

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What a time to be alive, lads. Brexit succeeding, US general elections coming up, Leftist butthurt all around, Europe going up in flames...

And most of it is beyond my grasp to change, aside from voting of course. I had almost lost all hope, but then Britain voted leave and so I decided to stay and watch the fireworks.

So stock up on ammo and supplies, pour a mug of Swiss Miss and get comfy, lads. This is only the beginning.


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