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why haven't shrimps developed tool usage? they seem well designed for it
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>>4752289
>then where do you propose we draw the line?
Usually it would be drawn at modifying and manipulating objects to use for a purpose, like fashioning a spear out of a stick. But more importantly where do YOU draw the line? If you don’t agree with existing definitions and can’t come up with a definition that works then shut the fuck up. You say that no animals are incapable of imagining a novel use for an existing tool in a new scenario based on fucking what exactly? You’re just making sweeping claims and hoping nobody has an example to prove you wrong, and then when somebody does like >>4752006 you redefine your bullshit criteria to work around it or go “oh but it didn’t invent the screwdriver like a human, can’t be tool use”. Not a single person has suggested tool use in animals is comparable to the ingenuity in humans, just that tool use exists in other animals
>Which is pretty clearly NOT what humans mean when we say we're using tools.
Isn’t it? It’s manipulating an object physically for a specific purpose, which would be the most basic definition of the word. What we mean when we talk about tool use would probably include making a fucking spear or a stone anvil, which is why the idea of tool use in animals is even a thing to begin with
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>>4752309
>when somebody does like >>4752006
meant to be >>4752117
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>>4752309
>when somebody does like >>4752006 you redefine your bullshit criteria to work around it
I explicitly said that meets my criteria of tool use.

you're so angery at the idea that humans are different from other animals you've completely stopped reading english. If you were capable of it in the first place.
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>>4752310
>>4752117
>Except they do use tools for multiple purposes. Chimps make sponges out of chewed leaves for collecting water to drink and for grooming
>>4752194
>in that case chimps display one example of human type tool use compared to billions of human examples.
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>>4752309
>It’s manipulating an object physically for a specific purpose
fair enough

like I said, every single animal alive does that. Even if it's just manipulating their food on the ground or in the water so they can eat it.

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Horse General

Nobody on the beach

Thread that lay down for even a second >>4727885
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>>4752091
Look at how happy it is
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>>4752097
you'd be happy too if you were relaxing in a hammock with no idea what bills and rent are.
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ive got it down bad for these mares
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>>4752147
Why?
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>>4752098
Donkeys work all the time.

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>>4750181
>mice are smart!
Outside of primates, rodents (rats, rabbits, mice, etc.) are the closest living relation to man. Damn smart.
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>>4750087
nice

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Californian wolverine is looking a bit chubby
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>>4749434
"you have to reintroduce wolverines otherwise the ecosystem will collapse"
-Anteater
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>>4749434
you know what
i feel like i could beat a wolverine in a fight
i wouldn't make it out in very good condition, mind you, but i feel like i'd make it out alive
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>>4749434
Funny lookin wolverine, what’s his certifications?

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Beerus Edition (RIP Toriyama)
Yes, that is my cat's name, and yes, that is a 4-star Dragonball on his collar
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>>4752252
Cat trees and lots of them, cats love climbing and you'll also create vertical space for her to explore. But you should really get her a friend as soon as you're able.
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>>4751643
Oh, I didn't know cat litters have multiple fathers. In that case I'll have to take in one feral she cat at a time and care for the momma and babies until the kittens are adults then reintroduce them to the feral colony and repeat
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When you enter a dark area and you are scared do you look left and right for threats or up and down? Obviously left and right. That is even how room clearing is taught in the military. They slice the pie. You are temporarily on defense. This is why cats position themselves the way they do and have vertical pupils. Prey looks horizontally.
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>>4752298
Oh, this is a terrible idea, if they grow up with you they won't develop proper feral cat skills like scavenging for food or avoiding predators and most likely die shortly after you release them. If you want them you'd better keep them after.
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My cat's eye is really dilated (she only has one) and last night she seemed scared and anxious for several hours. Eye is still dilated this morning and although she has calmed down, I am worried she may be losing her sight as she is still acting a bit strange

hypothetically, how long would it take to selectively breed chimps to have sentience?
you know, just for shits and giggles
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>>4752221
sure but i mean in terms of what op meant, i.e. what if we uplifted their level of intelligence, communication, abstract thinking etc to be comparable to our own
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>>4752223
fair enough, I agree orcas are closer to humans in thought than chimps are, and chimps are pretty dang close.
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>>4751375
A long time. Could cheat a bit via domestication ala the Belyaev foxes to make a separate population with more peaceful and manageable characteristics. That could take a couple hundred years just because of their long life history but killing off hyper-aggressive chimps to promote cooperative chimps should have quick results.
The next shortcut is to hijack brain activity epigenes by exposing males to various dosages of psychedelic compounds from an early age. Combine this with a regimen of wildly divergent behavioral conditioning with “scary” situations like having young chimps play at dog parks, watch fireworks shows and gather food at the beach near crashing waves. Just getting them to have impulse control instead of launching into fearful reactiveness or aggression at the drop of a hat would be a huge step in enhancing their intelligence. It’s sort of like how small species of dolphins are intelligent but difficult to work with due to their shyness, while large species of dolphins are top predators with a high fear threshold so they are much more curious and active instead of being cautious and defensively reactive.
The last cheat is cloning. Once you have one chimp that shows improved characteristics you could clone it to make more including opposite sex counterparts. Doing that over and over for every improvement and sending clones off to develop other populations could cut the timeline to a sapient chimp down by quite a lot.
With all these tools you could conceivably have them in under a thousand years.
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>>4751529
>David Brin
>uplift
>Earthclan
Also the Heaven's Reach trilogy, which continues the story after Earthclan. The stories. Somewhat. Heaven's Reach is mostly new stories, but some stuff is resolved nicely from Startide Rising.

Anyway, nobody should be posting in this thread if you haven't read these books. Brin is fucking brilliant in these, he's six moves ahead of any points made in this thread so far playing on a 7 dimensional chess board. Do yourselves a favor and read the books. This shit is Dune-tier epic and classic science fiction.
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>>4752197
bait or retardation, call it.

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https://cryptidarchives.fandom.com/wiki/New_Guinea_thylacine
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>>4751903
I want it so that if enough of us bullshit hard enough that the thylacine survived past the 1936 extinction date, that they magiced themselves back into existance.
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>>4751961
He's hunting down some thylacine pussy
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>>4752142
But a guy said four of them played with his dog
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>>4751903
It's legit. His Dutch autism just fixated on trying to be like his grandpa, and he's succeeded in finding some animals that were deemed extinct.
There was the tortoise in the Galapagos, and a crocodile somewhere in Columbia(?) I think. He went for the thylacine in Tasmania once, but New Guinea is the one place people think that it's most likely to still exist. I think it's a worthwhile endeavor, just to be sure. New Guinea is very poorly explored, and who knows what could be uncovered by a good dedicated exploration of the remote areas of the country.

POV; you are a French fry about to get eaten.
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See your favorite breeds Pom’d

https://www.dogbreedinfo.com/hybridcrossbreeds/pomeranianmixdogs.htm
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>>4752189
Pom'd? Prong'd?

Prong collars are abusive. Don't use them.
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>>4752116
Good because I have lots of time, do lots of running and have lots of love to give but 0 experience training dogs.
That's why I chose a border collie
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this is Dora. say hi to her.
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how to teach the dog not to react to the cat
is stuff like https://youtu.be/vHrHBZIA5h4 really going to work on an adolescent that is getting over excited when he sees the cat and trying to play and bound around?
he kinda tries to play whenever he sees her unless hes outside seeing her inside through the window, thats the only time he ever notices her then willingly gives up his attention and i can click and reward
will this eventually lead to being able to do it inside? inside he just tunnel visions on her and goes crazy till either she runs away or i remove him for her safety. it does seem to be young dog/puppy playfulness and not aggression to be clear but hes still 4x her weight

Anything spider-related. Domesticated or wild, doesn't matter.

No jumpscares.
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>>4751295
Looks like a beach bunny with her sunglasses on top of her head.
>>4751296
More shocked than sad. I suspect you yourself are in a dark place mentally. Perhaps you could cheer yourself up over here: >>>/r9k/
Both of those spider images are cute.
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>>4746025
is metallica still a fad? that thing went up and down like a rollercoaster
my fav pic rel
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>>4747412
thats a lot of webbing for a rossie
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>>4746834
from webbers i had a OBT but always wanted to get one of the tree-Ts that do the funnel webs
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>>4752258
they still sell for a very pretty penny
>>4752259
its a mature female lasiodora parahybana, pretty standard

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Pit Viper Edition

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This thread is dedicated to all animals of the reptilia and amphibia classes. Topics include, but are not limited to: geckos, snakes of all kinds, frogs, salamanders, newts, turtles, tortoises, and much more. Before asking a question, do a search on the internet to see if it has been answered
Classifieds for finding breeders and products:
>morphmarket.com
>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>caudata.org
Most forums will have a "for sale" section on them, so look for that, especially if you have a specific herp you want. Craigslist can also be a good source for cheap aquariums, and make sure to check for any reptile expos that occur in your area.

When asking a question, make sure to include these details:
>Type and size of animal

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this one was much more chill than previous but had problems with feeding
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Bought a beardy. Think she's a girl. Pretty chill. I hope I can stay good to her.
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>>4752272
Good luck. They're good lizards.
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>>4752290
I think she got angry with me because I wouldn't let her dive behind the couch.
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speaking of tegus, how do you guys handle fecal matter? got a little guy and its not much of a problem right now but it is something i am mindful of, i refuse to become the household that stinks of animals so you guys got any tips/tricks?

Welcome to /plant/, the happy green place on this blue board, where growers, gardeners and horticulturists share their love for things that grow.

Newbies and amateurs are very welcome, and we’ll always try to answer your questions.

>Flora of the World
http://www.worldfloraonline.org/

>Plants of the World Online
https://powo.science.kew.org/

>Hardiness zones
https://www.plantmaps.com/

>Plant ID Sites
https://identify.plantnet.org/

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>>4751703
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha's_hand
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>>4751759
Ooooh that is neat
I did not know of these
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>>4742411
Underwatering your plants means the top layer of soil won't get as moist which will help reduce fungus gnats. Your all or nothing scorched earth approach is stupid.
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Anyone else here grow San Pedro? This is one of my seedlings.
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>>4752079
Yes a few.

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We all know parrots are not pets and do not want to be our pets, and deer, dogs and cats are pets and want to be our pets, but what birds fit that description? Is there really a bird that wants to be a pet?

Bonus points if it doesn't make your house any messier or smellier than a cat. If you "have" to clip any feathers or keep it in any sort of cage it doesn't count.
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some heritage chicken breeds. silkie mixes, the one sultan i had. have heard consistent reports from others that more common commercial breeds are the opposite, not friendly etc...
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>>4751741
>We all know parrots are not pet
Considering they still remain popular pets, that’s clearly not true, even if I agree
>>4751771
Why did they domesticate?
>>4752007
>Geese
What? Every geese I’ve seen has been aggressive as shit
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>>4751741
We had chicks that lived in our garage for a while in a wooden crate.
When they got a little bigger we'd take them outside in the mornings, then back in at night.
Eventually they would peck on the glass if we forgot them because they wanted to go to bed.

They were good pet chickens.
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>>4751741
Pigeons obviously but chickens do well indoors too if you diaper them. Emus (and some ostriches) really want to be our pets but they're just too big to be indoor pets as they grow into adulthood.
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>>4751741
Okay, its a war deerfucker.

/co/ here, what's /an/'s opinion on this old show? I remember it being one of my favorites as a kid, but I can't honestly remember much oddly and am considering a rewatch. Was there any educational value about animals to be gleaned from it?
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>>4750991
One of the characters, a giraffe, has a crush on the MC. It's a kid's cartoon, so obviously it's played for jokes.
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I recall this show being one of the reason I switched to Comedy Central
Camp Lazlo was more informative, I learned what a lamprey is from it.
strange that spongebob was not at all educational considering it was made by a marine biologist
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>>4751917
Lazlo was funny too but I remember it being very similar slapstick humor like this. Could be wrong. All these animal shows kind of just came and went. There was that god awful one with the half naked rats or whatever too.
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>>4750665
I liked it but I'm biased because I really like animals so a show about a human ending up at an animal school was perfect for me.
The background environments are really underappreciated, they did a great job at taking a school and making it animal friendly.
Main issue is the constant toilet humor, which is really annoying and Adam's voice is really annoying to listen to
>Was there any educational value about animals to be gleaned from it?
Not really, they might occasionally throw in some animal fact you might not know but only really for a joke, I remember learning that Harpy Eagles eat monkeys from that predator/prey episode
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>>4750665
Other than wanting to fuck nurse gazelle and having a catchy intro, it was forgettable as fuck for me. A whole ton of cartoons in that era were.

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even dinosaurs are becoming trans
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>>4751198
>>4751201
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>>4752206
Why are tranny memes always some variant of "this media character or thing you like is now gay"
Is it some kind of self-affirmation thing? Don't xhey get enough of that already?
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>>4752236
>The genetic potential to was lost
Fascinating, except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive retard.
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>>4752276
>except for the tiny detail that birds still have scales, you massive retard.
we're discussing complete loss of feathers and replacement with scales over the whole body.

his thought was actually interesting since the places where birds have replaced feathers with scales have less "developed" feathers on them.

Meaning his idea that less developed feathers might be easier to replace with scales could have merit. Or that feathers would have been easier to replace earlier in their evolution.

I am curious if he can propose a mechanism for why that might be.

I disagree with the anon, but he certainly isn't a retard. Not in that comment anyways.
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>>4752276
In fact it showed considerable intelligence and restraint to NOT bring up bird scales in a discussion of feather replacement by scales.

the anon presumably knows that we're both aware of bird scales and understand they don't argue in favor of whole body replacement aside from proving that it's possible and still never happened.

you're the fool that didn't get it.
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>>4751674
lmfao fuck you nigger

What’s yours?
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>>4751885
Howard had the right idea
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pets should have formal names like Chadwick or Vaughn
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Mr peanut butter
Mr peenbutt
Mr butthead
Mr penis butthead

I never stopped being seven, doesn't help that he's a shitpoo.
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Sophie:
Snickerdoodle>Doodlebug>Doodle>Dood
Sophie Sweet Potato>Sweet Tayta
My sister called her Sophie Louise

Sister's dog Belle:
Bellery>Bellis>Billium
Sister calls her Bellogna and I've heard her and my niece calling the dog Bellery sometime
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found the page https://nametree.oo8.be/


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