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I just got an email that two of the eleven puppies from the litter I'm buying from have low-grade heart murmurs (1 to 2 out of 6).

It's a large breed and I've read that large breed puppies can develop mild heart murmurs because of their rapid development, and then grow out of them. All of their parents and grandparents have good hearts (no DCM or murmurs or anything), and when I've been able to find information on the health of their aunts, uncles, great aunts and uncles, cousins, and so on, I've never found one with heart problems.

The breeder says she'll refund half the cost of the puppy if they still have the murmur, but at what age, she didn't specify so I'll have to ask. I'd assume it's somewhere between 4 and 6 months.

Gimme the scoop on low-grade puppy heart murmurs.

Should I say I'm open to taking one of the puppies with a murmur if their temperament is a good match for me (they get temperament tested on the 10th) or be adamant I get a puppy without a murmur?

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Had a cat die due to a heart murmur as well as a beagle whose was either II or III grade.
Don't remember much about the first since I was a kid but neither could have any sort of surgery or anesthesia. Dog needed some dental work done and had a small scabby bump that could have been removed but two vets said the same thing about going under the knife. At least she was old, pushing 16.

I honestly wouldn't buy a puppy from a breeder with a problem like this. To me it's like buying a puppy with cancer because it 'might' go away/be cured. And like cancer, it could be as easy and simple as removing a mole or just as easily be lethal.

I suggest you seek the advice of vets experienced with heart problems about it and the breed.
I've got a 12 year old cat that's had a low grade heart murmur his entire life.

He's recently developed quite bad arrhythmia as a result of hyperthyroidism but is being medicated and his heart rate should stabilise soon.

Low grade heart murmurs usually aren't serious, but I'd speak with a veterinarian.
Is the breeder showing proof that there is no family history of it or are you just taking their word for it?

If you can afford any heart complications and you are emotionally prepared in case the dog dies young, go for it.

From what I've read it seems puppy heart murmurs under grade 3 usually go away by 5 months of age. I'm sure it will be fine. Just always take their heart into consideration when choosing a diet and exercising too heavily.
i had a dalmatian that was diagnosed with a heart murmur around 2 years old. i guess it was low-grade, the vet had difficulty detecting it. we thought he was trying to upsell some more tests/treatment so we ignored it. the dog was 14 years old when she died from causes unrelated to her heart. although she had the murmur her whole life, she never had any heart problems.

op, i'd talk to a vet if i were you. and get the breeder to specify at what age she'll refund you. there are plenty of other dogs out there.

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Discord link goes to #mammal:

>What should I feed my dog?
>What breed of dog should I get?
>How do I train my dog?
>Rate my dog!
>Should I bring my dog to a vet?
>What breed is my dog?

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anyone know about localised mange?
my puppy was diaognised with it and I was told if I give him one pill (which I have done, cost £40) it'll kill the mange in about 2 months his hair should grow back

does this sound correct?
Depends on the dog, but you have to be consistent or else it won't work. You have to make pulling NEVER be rewarded (i.e. he NEVER gets to walk forward while pulling, EVER.)

If stopping in your tracks and doing the 180 isn't working, I found what helps is adding eye contact/attention as criteria for forward motion. Teach your dog how to look at you (and that looking at you is rewarding) and then while out on walks, if he starts pulling, stop and wait for him to give you his attention. As soon as he's no longer pulling and is looking at you, continue the walk. It may take a while and you may have to increase the duration of his attention (have him be looking at you for a few seconds,) but this should work if you're consistent with it. Asking for his attention when you stop helps to get him focusing more on you and thinking more, rather than just mindlessly being excited about forging ahead.
If he comes back/sits down (might want to also expect attention/eye contact as I mentioned in >>2548578) you should continue forward in the same direction that your puppy wanted to go. i.e. reward him for doing what you want, teach him that not pulling means he gets to get where he wants to sniff

Purina is garbage food. If you want top tier kibble look at Orijen or Acana. If you want good but still cheap, look at Kirkland Signature kibble (Costco brand. Even buying a membership to buy the food and nothing else would still be cost effective because the food is dirt cheap and still solid quality(not the top tier though))
If you feel you can take care of the dog, go for it. I'd ask if they know how he is with cats though, greyhounds can have high prey drive.
You shouldn't be allowing the lab(s) to take things in your dog's possession. They are never going to get along if the labs are allowed to bully your dog.

You may have to separate them to manage this.

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I think he survived somehow, because he reappears in prehistoric park (if thats the correct order of the lore of course)
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Man, fuck orcas. You could be chilling out on a beach and one of those assholes would leap out of the fucking sea and tear you in half.

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Antisocial puppies?

I adopted an orphaned 6 week old (now 7 week) puppy that was handreared by a rescue.

The first few days she seemed like a normal, happy, confident puppy. But now a week in she has no interest in people whatsoever.

My previous dogs were incredibly needy up until around 5 months. This puppy just wants to be left alone and will wander off to explore on her own or play with my other dog rather than interact with me.

She ignores me/other people when they try and call her, no matter how excitedly they try to coax her over. She is also extremely food aggressive towards people (but not other dogs) and will bite if you touch her while eating.

I managed to teach her to sit and wait for food, and she will play with me if I have a tug rope, but that's about the extent of her human interaction. She always chooses to play or sleep in the far corner of the room.

Is this genetic or a result of being handreared? Will she never bond with people?
(pic unrelated but kinda looks like her)

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Post best animal hunts
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how do they communicate to coordinate this? Do they have a "team leader"?
the apex predator
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Are these dogs neurotic annoying pieces of sniveling shit by nature or what

How the fuck could these little bitch dogs survive in the wild
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Being a doglet is suffering.
Most if not all dogs cant survive in the wild anon.
which dog has the best chance of surviving in the wild
which dog has the best chance of surviving in the wild in a pack?
Probably any working breed, most mutts in general

Source: Live in Louisiana, plenty of feral dogs about. Probably 80% of them are labs or lab mixes

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at least it unpugged the pug quite a bit
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Are you telling me I can't sex a frog and create frogman?
looks like the lovechild of that talking pug and those worm guys from men in black

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obviously you should
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Daily reminder that if you don't keep your cat indoors, you're contributing not just to an ecological catastrophe but also to the degeneration of humanity via a fucking brain parasite.
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That would probably turn out similar to the emu war
People who let there cats outside to kill native animals and shit make my blood boil
I know. I have this friend who lets his cat roam free at his cottage even when he isn't there "muuuh cat must be a wild animal, find his own food", which typically encompasses sitting next to my bird feeder and killing the birds then fucking around with them and rarely eating them. I wish he at least got it castrated but he's a complete retard. One time he fathered a litter and the female cat settled in my garden because it was such good hunting grounds for these fuckers. I tried to protect the litter but my dog ended up killing the kittens, wheter intentionally or because she wasn't used to fathering kittens. Made me sad but least it made the fucking cat leave. Better than having some ten cats running around in my garden, shitting in my vegetables and hunting birds. I wonder if there is something like a chemical castration to stop the cat flood around here, I really don't want to resort to having a choice between killing cats or losing the bird population of the area.

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Why can we simply chop down all these damn eucalyptus? Or ship them all back to Australia, let them burn everything there.

>Oral respiration associated with obstruction of the nasal airway is a common finding among patients seeking orthodontic treatment. The primate experiments reported here are part of a series designed to test some of the current hypotheses regarding the relationship between mouth breathing and dental malocclusions, that is, between deviations in orofacial muscle recruitment and jaw morphogenesis.

>Mouth-breathing was developed in the animals of this experiment by obstruction of the nasal passages with silicon nose plugs. The experiments showed that the monkeys adapted to nasal obstruction in different ways. In general, the experimental animals maintained an open mouth. Some increased the oral airway rhythmically, while others maintained the mandible in a lower position with or without protruding the tongue. All experimental animals gradually acquired a facial appearance and dental occlusion different from those of the control animals. From these and the previously reported primate experiments in this laboratory, it can be deduced that orthodontic appliances in general affect the morphology of the orofacial structure in two ways: by direct force and by sensory stimulation. (1) The appliance exerts a direct physical force which alters the strain distribution in the bone and elicits bone remodeling and tooth movement. (2) The presence of the appliance initiates the sensory input which triggers a neuromuscular response.

>This change in neuromuscular activity, in turn, affects both muscle development and bone remodeling. The fixed orthodontic appliance may work mainly on the first principle. Certain removable appliances may have a significant effect based on the second principle.
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So you're genetically inferior?
who /mewboy/ here?
Well the idea is it makes your mouth grow fucked

the interesting part is the remodeling of the skull bones. Though Witmer and lots of others have already demonstrated this sort of thing. Bones grow in response to stresses just as much as to genetics.
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OK so a short little summary:

So if you remember that study that implied that dinosaurs had lips due to the fact that their teeth are in very good condition for the most part? Well this study not only found a new species of Daspletosaurus (D. horneri), but it found out that Tyrannosaurs didn't have lips, but instead had sensitive scales on their face like crocodiles did (they compare it to the sensitivity of your fingertips) This also confirms that the heads of Tyrannosaurs (and most likely all carnivorous theropods to my knowledge) had mostly featherless heads sort of like a vulture (this doesn't mean they didn't have feathers elsewhere, of course). So that means that paleoartists can keep drawing their carnivores with toothy grins, which is pretty cool.

What do you think?
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>but muh phylogenetic bracketing definitely trumps direct evidence, they must all be feathered, reddit told me
>we found out that some dinosaurs had feathers therefore we'll consider that all dinosaurs probably had them
How very scientific.
No, that's a webm, anon.
Any lads know much about the Royal Tyrrell? Browsing the website I saw they are hiring for summer positions at the moment, thought "shit, that would be a bit of alright". I could line up my documents and visa through the year and put in for one for 2019. Don't know if they ever hire foreigners though or if they are so competitive they only look after their own

the jewrasic movies were a fucking meme
stop being such a fucking fanboy

Why don't more predators evolve to use venom ?
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it's metabolically expensive to synthesize toxins and store them in a way that means you don't poison yourself. other animals 'prefer' to use that energy for bigger muscles, sharper senses, better stamina etc
I think you're thinking of how nearly all plants have toxins but we've evolved immunity to them
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How do I evolve venom?
It’s the grandmaster trait of the stealth branch

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Play the Devil's Advocate and convince me that bed bugs are useful animals.

I'll start:
-Bed bugs provide the valuable service of signaling whether a bedroom is dirty. Their presence lets people staying at motels know that the motel is dirty and likely in a poor and unsafe area, and that they should keep looking for a better motel.
-Bed bugs give jobs to thousands of people who work in the pest extermination industry.
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> Their presence lets people staying at motels know that the motel is dirty and likely in a poor and unsafe area
The presences of a bedbug in a hotel just lets you know that it's a probably a hotel, nothing beyond that.
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>bed bugs only survive in dirty rooms
I got these fuckers from my gf's sister. She got them, then gave them to her dad, then when I went to visit, bam, I got them. At first I had no idea what they were. I'd only occasionally see them and thought they were some kind of beetle. Then one day I decided to look into them after waking up with like 3 of them on me, and low and behold, bed bugs. I was so pissed when I found out her family was treating it very cavalier. I decided to investigate and her dad's house was infested with literally thousands upon thousands of them. Everyone upstairs didn't seem to mind them even though there were blood splatters all over their bed sheets and smelled awful.

I caught mine somewhat early and just threw away my box spring and an old comforter with a few holes, then doused my memory foam mattress in alcohol and took a blow-dryer to it for a few hours (after alcohol dried thoroughly) because I didn't have a steam cleaner. I had to spray my house with 3 kinds of bed bug killer and bug bombs for a month before I finally felt assured they were gone. Stopped seeing them after the third day.

My room was pretty clean, so no, you don't need a dirty place to get them. Also, so you guys know, they love to live in meshy material, like that hexagonal pattern shit on back packs and stuff that allow for air flow into the material. You will have to douse it all in bug killer then wash it the best you can. If you have scolding hot water, it makes it much easier to kill them.

These fucking things are a nightmare from hell. If you ever get them, you have got to take it very seriously if you don't want to shell out money for an exterminator. It became almost a full-time job. Don't think a day of work is enough, it's not. I found them in my computer, books, clothes, bags, car seat, carpet, bed, wood floor, printer, vents, various electronics, boxes, organizers, etc. What's really gross is they were feeding on me that whole time and I had no clue since my body doesn't get a reaction.
Temprid SC fucktards.
Thanks. Bookmarked in the event I ever get those fucks again.

Now I'm dealing with a gnat problem. Can't seem to find where they are coming from, and our house is immaculate. I've set gnat traps all over and they work, but there's still like 20-60 of them in my house at any given time. Have lots of indoor plants, but stopped watering as much and sprayed with natural indoor insecticide. Don't see them on the plants now, but still getting them. If anyone has more tips, please let me know. I'm hosting a Christmas party here pretty soon, so I'd like it to be resolved before then. I have a cat, so it makes it a little hard to use hardcore insecticide.

Damn, this stuff is amazing.
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Cool shit.
Those aren't even the biggest. Elephant walrus males reach 4 tons.
holy crab
>all of these organisms and ecosystems will be extinct in less than 50 years
I can imagine they were in a hurry to film these documentaries.

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Winter is coming, and arctic foxes are probably real fluffy right now.
If you didn't know, this is an arctic fox thread. Other foxes are welcome, though.
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so majestic
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