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We encourage you to have a look around the catalog first to see what we’re all about before posting your first thread. Topics typically posted here include:
>Outdoor recreational activities (Hiking, trail running, bushwhacking, camping, spelunking, geocaching, orienteering, expeditions, urban exploration, backpacking, etc.)
>Gardening, farming and related activities
>Hunting and fishing, and other activities involving the stalking or taking of game (including bird-watching)
>Outdoor survival, bushcraft, foraging, self-sustenance in nature, train-hopping, hoboism, etc.
>Outdoor destinations and exploration (specific trails, parks, regions, etc.)
>Water-related activities (boats, diving, etc.)
>Outdoor philosophy (conservation, Leave No Trace, protectionism, etc.)
>Outdoor building and living (cabins, huts, treehouses, etc.)
>Outdoor social activities and organizations (meet-ups, Scouts, NOLS, etc.)
>Gear related to any of the above topics

Most topics related to the outdoors are fine. Write properly, behave politely, encourage a respectful community, and most importantly, GO OUTSIDE!!
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Just a friendly reminder that threads about weapons which do not pertain to their use in outdoor activities should be posted on /k/ instead. Thanks.

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Esee 5 or Esee 6 or???

Looking for a new knife for end all be all every day use/inawoods/SHTF knife.

Been reading that Esee knives are tier 1 and the Esee 5 will last a lifetime.

But for bushcraft, survival, camping needs what knife is the best?
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>>959390
Avoid memes. Go for a classic shape that will be good at classic knife work. No serrated edges because then you can't sharpen the damn thing again. No sharp spine since you want to be albe to press your thump against it.
Full tang for strenght.

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So you are half way through a multi day walk and you wake up with that feeling. Your throat is starting to swell, swallowing is painful, and your nose is glued shut with thick green snot. You still have multiple days walking ahead of you. What do you do? What is in your pack to fix this? What have you been doing to try and avoid this situation?
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>>959384
Colds or flu are density dependent and I get them because I am surrounded by infected people
I've never gotten any kind of respiratory illness /out/
I guess I would just have to tough it out

Gastrointestinal problems are real common though
I once talked to a wilderness rescue person and they said it was their number one reason for evacuating people
I try to bring some Imodium on long trips, make sure my cook-set is clean, and every once in a while I boil my spoon
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>>959408
>Imodium
I was talking to someone about how dangerous imodium can be. They got some sort of bug or parasite while out. They took imodium to stop them from crapping but end up incubating what ever it was and making it ten times. Will try and get more details off them as I have forgotten the key bits.

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I'm looking at getting my first backpacking pack. Currently looking at the Osprey Stratos 50 (pic related) or the Osprey Aether 60. I've never really gone backpacking before but I've heard 50-60L would be good for weekend or multi-day backpacking. I'm leaning more towards the Stratos because I would rather pack lighter. Any recommendation? Also, is AG just a meme or should I be looking into AG models?

Also general backpack questions and whatnot
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Looking at upgrading in the near future here. I've been using an ALICE pack for about 5 years now whenever I go hiking or camping. I'm looking at the Osprey Aether bags right now, but I'm unsure on which size would be a good purchase. What would you guys recommend?
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>>959378
the size that holds all your shit.
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>>959229
Oh sweet I see they finally got rid of that stupid spine pincher.
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A couple of really cheap backpacks I've been looking at:

1. Mardingtop 50L - $70
2. Mountaintop 70L+10L - $80
3. WASING 55L - $50
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>>959378
It depends on what activities you have in mind and in what climate.

My go-to backpack is 70ltr. That's more than enough for 2-3 day trips in the spring/summer/autumn, perfect for 2-3 days in the winter and for longer 7+ day hikes at other times and just a little small for longer, more seroius winter trips - but will do.

Of course ultra-lighters could do all theese things with about 10-20 liters less in each category, but they are not most people.

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What First Aid supplies should be brought on a camping trip?
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>>954435
I work with double honed, double edged blades every day as do my co-workers and hockey tape is the goto for cuts. We just peel back to some clean tape, fold it onto itself and use that part to start wrapping.
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Paramedic here,
I generally kayak when I camp and through experience I have found it good to have a SAM splint and ace wraps handy along with the basic trauma supplies. I generally keep my shit in a food saver vacuum seal bag. easy to tear open and keeps it dry.
A little on the over prepared side, but when your drunk friend breaks his ankle on a rock, you'll see the value.
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Biofag here

Don't pack antibiotics. Go to a hospital so the labfags can figure out what you've got

Your tetracycline won't cure your Giardia infection and the chances that you'd have an antibiotic resistant infection are high enough that self-medicating is a very bad idea

Sometimes it's better to let your immune system do its job than to ruin your body's microbiota. Antibiotics should really be a last resort
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>>954223
>This is Adolf. He likes animals.
>At the age of 56, Adolf committed suicide after systematic bullying
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Tea tree oil.

Too many uses.

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#130-"Springin' Forward" Edition

Previous Thread:
>>955738

Where is that anon who posted the long video telling when to use which lures in what conditions? Anybody else ever watch it? Should we keep it in the OP? Otherwise we could get a list of Youtube vids and put them in the Pastebin or keep a couple important ones in the OP.

Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!
http://www.pastebin.com/u/fishingandtackle
https://imgur.com/a/1Xw3N

Talk about fishin
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>>957696
Hey guys, me and my intrepid band of retards are all uni students who want to stop being pussys and start camping, hunting and fishing. We're starting by hitting up a few lakes in our areas (We're Ausfags by the way) and trying to catch and cook some stuff. We have a tonne of fishing line, hooks, sinkers and bait between us, but either no or few fishing poles (half of them are old ones our Dad's used 20 years ago, and are fucked).


What are our options here? Do we really need to go out and buy fishing poles? Or can we attach hooks to the fishing line and float it around hoping for a bite?

Any other options? Like traps or something?

We're willing to try anything.

>tfw the soft bastards are probably gonna make me gut and fillet the fish because they all suck
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>>959355
>Do we really need to go out and buy fishing poles to go fishing?
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>>959241
Yes it just feels odd when you are showing it on the foam.
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whats the best carp bait to use?
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>>959355
Could always buy a bunch of handlines if you're really on a budget. What area you fishing?

>>959402
Corn kernels hands down.

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I'll start. SE Wisconsin

>inb4 datamine, NSA, OP can't inb4
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>>959091
Can you wild camp?
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San Francisco, CA
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>>959005
well, when you give me softpitches like the citadel it's not too hard. but thanks. i'm having a hard time pinning that peak down, but the vertical black dikes look familiar. i just wish it was more to first hand views and less off armchair exploring, but having a kid at the exact time i got into backpacking seriously kinda reprioritized my life. but he's only 2 and can already hike 1 1/2 miles with a backpack of his own. 8)

>skeeters
last week in may i'll be right around 10k, another trip midjune i'll be pushing to 11.2k the first night and will stay above that for most of the trip. hoping we don't get a big melt right before either one that wakes up those bloodsucking fuckers...
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>>958274
Me too buddy
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>>958271
>JEWrusalem, Israel

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Hey my /out/ist friends I need to buy some new sunglasses. I live in a fairly sunny place and I spend lots of time in the beach so it's a fucking must that they have at least reasonable quality and also that look casual enough for daily life. I would like to spend bellow $100.

Thanks in advance.
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>>957721
Whatever you get, if you are at the beach you want polarized sunglasses.
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>>957721
supreme gentleman choice
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>>959174
this is way too fragile for me, I bought pic related
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>>959179
Not bad. Randolphs were $20 a pair when I was a kid, so you didn't worry much about messing them up. Johnny Depp and Tom Cruze started wearing them, and now they MSRP at $150. They were designed for and contracted by the US military, but now they've become a fashion deal I guess.
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>>957721
Suncloud makes some decent polarized aviators for around 50-60 CAD, not sure what they are in freedombucks

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Anybody here metal detect as a hobby? I'd like to get into it does anybody have any recommendations for a mid grade beginners metal detector
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>>959342
You're taking general statements and making them very specific. No one is attacking you. There is no real argument. No one has told you to stop your hobby. It's all cool. These are just things to think about. Insights from a different perspective.

Current anthropologists use a lot of little bits and clues to piece together history. You never know what future anthropologists might think of your findings. Again, just something to think about. No one's telling you to stop.
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>>959379
That's great! I'm really happy to hear that. I wish it was like that everywhere, and for paleontology as well. I don't even want to get into the Africa and Mongolia incidents, let alone the stuff going on in the west. Let's just say that keeping locations secret and prosecuting "professional" amateurs are things that need to happen more often in my fields. There's some real Heinrich Schliemann dynamiting Troy kind of stuff going on.

You're doing good things, anon.
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>>959380
>You never know what future anthropologists might think of your findings
I know exactly what they'd think of them. I dig them for the same reasons they do.

unfortunately they don't have access to most private property in their line of work so nothing I remove would ever wind up in their collections anyways.

I'm saying there's no objective metric by which an archeologist would declare those arrowheads more significant than the Victorian trash I posted next to them. They are equally interesting from a historical perspective. And to single out one culture as more worthy of protection than another indicates a lack of experience in the field. The government is just as interested in 140 year old bullets as it is in flint points or even flint debitage. Collecting either one on public land is an offense. Collecting either one on private property is perfectly legal.
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>>959386
Refer to
>>959380

I said here
>>959222
That I was jealous of your arrow heads. I wish that I had a couple. I never individually pointed them out for value. The only reason I ever brought them up is because I have a recurrent desire to have some and know where they came from and who crafted them, but I'd feel a tiny bit bad knowing what I know about my own field of work.

Again, no one is telling you to stop. I'm not going to repeat myself again. Legality isn't the issue. I've made that clear as well. You do you. If you haven't noticed, 4chan is an open forum and you're not the only one reading this, or the only one my posts are directed to. That is all.
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>>959394
>I have a recurrent desire to have some and know where they came from and who crafted them,
then you appreciate them in exactly the same ways I do. If it makes you feel better you'd eventually realize you don't own things so much as just take care of them for a while. And sometimes the best way to take care of a thing is to give it to someone else to take care of.

Probably not true of my arrowhead collection, but I have other collections that will probably find their way into museums before I die. Because the real fun is in discovering a thing, and once that's done all that's left is letting others discover it too.

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>>957434
>Could be why they never dreamed to build boats and explore the ocean
Africans colonized the eastern coast of South America a thousand years ago.
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>>958853
>I'm just the one child they completely forgot to try to come up with names for
Always good to be reminded of when you're loved.
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>>959292
Sorry, but no. Maybe you're thinking of Polynesians, but even that remains a big maybe.
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>>956600
check out george lincoln rockwell

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Unpopular /out/ tactics/opinions that you actually follow
>Vibram five finger shoes are great for innawoods

>Expensive gear is NOT better than Milsurp and spending any more money on gear than necessary to essentially be poor is stupid

>/out/ activities have flourished over the years because it is and has stayed a primarily white activity

>Batonning is a Youtube fad and needs to die. Just carry a damn axe

>Everyone should carry a firearm while /out/. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

>Minimalist /out/ing is a meme. Carry gear and learn to use it properly
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>>958813
Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Do you even /out/?
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>>958896
>>958990
There's boars, bears (ordinary brown bears), wolves and other "dangerous" wildlife here but like >>958882 pointed out most of them, excluding boars who breed like rabbits nowadays, they've been hunted close to extinction so I guess there's that.

>>959017
>Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
You could say that about many things. I could count the times I've felt unsafe /out/ on one hand and a gun would have made me felt better maybe once. If I wanted to add something safety related to my gear I'd rather go with some radio, satellite telephone or other mean of emergency communication.
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>>958813
It's just the /outist on here. I hike and camp quite a bit in the US and Canada and no one I know (that isn't a car camper) would consider taking a gun. Not needed.
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>>959068
Besides, guns are heavy.
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>>954405
Wouldn't more CO2 produce more vegatation and in turn produce more greenery? Which would then help with the CO2 problem. I'm honestly interested, I'm agnostic about global warming

Also only about 10% of forests were harvested in the last ~60 years, we're using more and more non-wood material so the demand for it is lower. And the 10% (i got it off wikipedia) is probably off, as trees do grow back if you let them.

And about the population 'problem' the only problem is africa, india and china (maybe brazil). We can solve africa by not giving them aid and not letting them leech off our systems, for others i do not know.

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Any aus /out/ists here? Looking for new places to explore and stories of other anons experiences. Also general urban exploration thread, gear used, places been and advice for others.
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>>959376
I'm new to this stuff, but I went exploring under a few bridges near me, and there were a few sketchy ass concrete tunnels I walked through too. Pic related is taken from the underpass nearby where you're meant to walk.

I'm still new to this, so it was a nice entry level spot.

Planning to go to some other , less boring, areas with some friends of mine in the next few weeks.

Apparently there's an abandoned facility near me that's pretty well traveled that looks terrifying at night. We're planning to break in an take pics.

I have a few stories from other short expeditions, but they're all lame as shit and either involve foxes being creepy or old white people trying to call the cops on me.
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I'm in Syds and kinda interested in ErBexxing with any local anons. Nothing too crazy I can't get into any trouble with the law.
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>>959383
There's an old hospital and a catholic school I managed to look around a few years back, unfortunately they're both looked after by caretakers now.
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>>959392
Never had to deal with cops while exploring, usually I'll look around the area during the day without going in, that way I get an idea of ways to get in/out and have a good sense of the general area.

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Hey there /out/
I'm planning on hitchhiking from where I'm living right now (Waco, TX) to meet with an anon on another board in Raleigh, NC. Can you guys give me some tips and/or general advice? This is my first time doing anything of this sort.
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>>957984
I just sent a kid off from Oklahoma to Palm Springs CA in one ride.

I am curious to what you guys think the striggle is. Losing confidence will not get you stuck. In fact getting stuck is pretty much bullshit in and of itself. If you are on the on ramp or at the truck stop every day, you will get where you are going quickly. If you get tried of waiting, walk. Its not like hes going to get in a situation where he has to stay in one shithole midwest town forever.

Him being a directionless angsty 20 something is simply par for the course and has nothing to do with his ability to hitch hike.
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>>955225
not him
https://youtu.be/_QKbIb8wcz0?t=4m2s
to each his own. i'd rather carry a gun and never need it, you know? i have a CCW and it's reciprocated in 22 states so chances are good i can hitchhike where it's legal
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>>958452
Cops will eat your ass up if you pack heat, even if you're legal. Hitchhiker is always viewed as the predator, rather than the prey.
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>>958466
It hasn't happened to me yet. I've had many and varied interactions with law enforcement while /out/ (including hitchhiking a few times) and they never searched my person or property. Maybe I just got lucky, but as I said, I legally carried a weapon so there wasn't anything to worry about. Now, if I ever had to use it I might be up against a wall since, as you said, I'd be viewed as a predator and the police would surely believe the word of an upstanding citizen over me if that person played innocent. But, if it's the difference between my safety and peace of mind I'll take it otherwise I'll stay indoors.
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>>955100
Have only hitched in Europe. >>955218 has it. Shave, look clean, make eye contact. When I was struggling or if the weather was bad I would basically hop service stations. This meant I always had access to a loo, food and shelter. Plus you can strike up conversation with people before they even get in their cars. I used hang out by the maps section of the shop and ask people to show me on a map where we were.

>>958466
Dunno how your police are but I have never had any hassle from cops. Read up on hitching laws so you know where you can and can't thumb a ride. I have been picked up by the police twice while hitching, only because my ride let me out somewhere I shouldn't really be. Both times they were cool. They ran a quick background check them took me to a spot where they used to see hitchers.

Some trips I wouldn't have to wait 15 mins between rides. Other times it could take hours and hours. Bring a book and don't be afraid to walk if a spot isn't working. Stay safe and be smart. You can turn down a lift if you get a bad feeling about it.

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There are a bunch of Chinese manufacturers selling cheap rugged smartphones. Nomu, AGM, Blackview, Crosscall, Ulefone. Anyone try them out? They have all the features like waterproof, freezeproof, glove mode, and sunlight readable screens. Obviously the reliability is questionable when you have a cheap chink phone... but my iPhone is shit for outdoors stuff.

/out/phones?
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>>958440
I suspect you canoeing has a lot to do with when you use the phone (don't text and paddle). Tourists may use the phone while moving (not a good thing, but a thing nonetheless)

Being a sporadic tourist, I use the phone to look at a map or to check my e-mail, since I am a contract worker and it's the best part of my job - being able to work from anywhere on the planet.
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>>958406
Evolution
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>>958440
Using it to make /out/ videos. After like 5 minutes of exposure to the cold it shuts down. Also filming in the rain is a pain in the ass because the touchscreen doesn't work when it's wet. Might just get a GoPro.
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>>955976
Check the moto x force, that is exactly it. I use it as my daily driver
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>>951793
Look at the Tough guy

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What is the best /out/ Euro country?
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>>959185
Not him, but I prefer untouched nature. I know its hard to get by in europe, but the scandis and the balkans can provide more than the rest of europe.

I also like switzerland and austria, as love mountaineering and its not far from my home.
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>>959183
>Actually I've never been to the Alps or Carpathians/Tatra, so feel free to redpill me on those.

>Alps
Wonderful, but can be touristy and expensive. Still worth it.
>Carpathians
Cover a huge area, so very varied. Some parts are touristy, others are quite devoid of human presence. Not quite as high, but can still be dramatic, pic related. Large predators still present.

>>959192
Sauce on pic please?
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>>959199
pic was from top of Birkkarspitze(Austria) last summer

this pic is from the way down
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>>959185
Vikings you fool. What the fuck is more romantic than Vikings?
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>>959180
Second this. Have you ever walked the Cape Wrath Trail? I'm hoping to walk it this Autumn.

>>959182
Am going to walk the Kungsleden this year, the pictures I have seen have blown me away. Am hyped.

>>959155
I think there is a lot of potential in Eastern Europe but I have never had the chance to head /out/ there. Once I have walked the best looking trails closer to home I would like to head there.



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