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I’ve only climbed with friends and at rock climbing gyms, but i’m looking into buying my own gear now.

I’m hoping to get into top roping with a buddy of mine, so we can belay for one another.

What is good beginner gear and any essential tips?
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For helping get back up a rope that you’ve anchored inside that mine, I’d recommend getting some sort of ascender.

If at all possible, find someone more experienced to take you on a trip and show you what's up. Or at least take a class on outdoor climbing at a local gym. I say this because climbing is a sport that has been growing rapidly since climbing gyms have exploded in popularity. Whereas you once needed a mentor to introduce you to climbing, now climbing areas are being flooded with people who have only climbed in gyms. Gyms can teach you a lot of things, but they don't teach you how to safely set up climbs outside, they don't teach you how to climb responsibly, and they don't teach you crag etiquette. These things may not seem important to you, but they can cause serious problems when it comes to climbing access. I climb at the red river gorge, where major crags have had access severely reduced because of asshats not taking care of the rock, leaving trash everywhere, failing to follow rules set by landowners, and generally being a nuisance.

Look up who owns the land where you plan on climbing. Follow their rules. Check out the Access Fund and look to see if there's some kind of regional climbing association for your area, like the Red River Gorge Climber's Coalition.

As to specific gear that you mention here >>1227853
Why six quickdraws? You don't really need them for toproping, and you need more than six for sport. If you only plan on toproping, I don't see much on your list for anchor-building. Where are you climbing, and what's the anchor situation there? Are you slinging trees? Then you need webbing or cordelette and carabiners. Do you need to build anchors in rock? Then you need a lot more. Most importantly, no matter where you're going you need to know how to build an anchor that won't kill you.
Forgot to mention that MountainProject is a good resource for looking up specific climbing areas.
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seems like a good thread to ask this
what is /out/s preference atc or grigri?
and why is the atc best?
Did you even read the thread? Taking classes and mountain project have already been mentioned. And honestly, the only thing I’d take a class for is learning to lead climb. Nothing in those classes give you info that you can’t find from reading Freedom of the Hills and practicing building anchors before trusting your life to them. I do a lot of solo top roping and my personal rule of thumb is if I’m not 100% confident in my anchor system I don’t use it.

They each have their own advantages and disadvantages. ATCs are the best all around belay device and everyone should learn how to belay with one before going to a grigri or other assisted belay device, but the grigri stops a lot better than an ATC. If you’re gonna get one though definitely get the ATC-XP or guide though, those plain round ones suck and the rope slips too easily when you’re trying to hold your climber in place.

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Grew up in the city, zero camping experience but love the country. I want to try camping by myself but have no idea how to start. What I need for gear, where to go, etc. Do people just find a state forest and just walk off the trail into the woods and make a clearing for a tent? How did you guys start out? Anyone else /out/ there start off alone with zero experience and just fake it til you make it?
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>>1229436 Cont.

Alright now, what you'll need:

> Good shoes
Only thing I actually think that deserves a good investment even from start if you want to get serious. Although you can easily hike / camp in normal shoes or some combat boots, proper boots are irreplacable. Consider category (4), or get categories (2) / (3) and upgrade when you can

> Backpack
Depends how long you plan on going. I like to do it like this:
Weekend or less than week. Less than 40L backpack
More than a week: 60L backpack

For starters you can get a cheapo one, but is also one of things you should look to upgrade first, especially for longer hikes. Learn how to pack your bag, it will save you lots of time and problems. Be wary of buying overly used backpacks, they might break when you need them.

> Clothes

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>implying yuru camp doesn't give helpful advice
Consider suicide.
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>>1229449 Now for the main part

How I started:
Don't know actually, I spent most of my childhood innawoods so it kind of was natural thing for me to bugger off somewhere for the weekend.

> I want to try camping by myself
Well, to be honest it's always better to start off with someone who is experienced or at least with some friends. But if you want to try on your own here's what I'd probably do

> get the basic camping stuff

> learn where you're allowed to camp and make fire
Every country has it bit different, usually bit of googling should give you enough info.

>plan your first trip
For first time you can just do simple overnight trip. You might want to wait a month or two if you don't have the gear for colder conditions. In the mean time you can read books / learn about basic camping stuff. When the time comes, I'd recommend picking a well accesible campsite or a cheap campgrounds near the city you live in. Campgrounds might be bit better, since you can ask other people for help if you need (setting up tent, making fire etc.). See the weather forecast and plan accordingly with your clothes. Leave early so you can set up your tent / tarp before night. Cook something nice, drink tea, read a book, go to sleep whenever.

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Visit r/ultralight and read the budget options in the sidebar. I found ultralight gear guides often has good explanations as to the right gear for the right job and the differences and properties of clothing, fabrics, metals and things you shouldn’t do (get feather down wet, overheat a fuel canister, let yourself get bitten by ticks) as the gear is bare minimum and carefully researched and chosen. Starting out with very lightweight gear means you’ll have room and weight to carry stupid nonsensical things (think: that kukri you think will defend you from skinwalkers) without ruining your first backpacking trip, and in the last few years, choosing ultralight gear and making your own is has become as cheap and almost as durable as regular camping gear, usually better thought out too (faster drying, less moving parts to break etc).

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Is it possible to live in a tent comfortably?
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I'm sure that's part of it but it's also really hard living. It's pretty common for homeless to have chronic joint pain and back problems. Might be less so if you have a more comfortable set up. Anyway unless you're running from the law you should try just moving to an area with low cost of living like Idaho and get some simple job.
It's not that difficult to make a yurt.
Bit of a pleb answer, but you could try to do what the Primitive Technology guy did if you're going to be near a source of clay.
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well homeless people generally quite poor. that means shit food, malnutrition in some nutrients. No money for doctors or even just over the counter medicine. that means diseases burden the body longer or permanently. lack of hygiene makes this and parasites more likely. Hard condition leave the body under constant attack. Sunburns in summer, sore in winter, trench foot in spring.
over time normal stuff can lapse too. like after years vaccinations run out, dental work need to be done.
Some mental problems are contagious like alcohol or drug related, or for example fear/ paranoja from long exposure in hostile, violent, lawless, lonely and distrustful environments.

so yeah unless you are trustafarian or champagne hippy this shit sucks over long term for most people. sure some can make it work, but that's a minority.
We always only got daddy long legs and they aren’t that big of a problem. Id just brush them off before going to bed and I’d be good to go.

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What did i find. Anyone know what the he'll this belongs to? Found it in ga out in woods.
Is it a skin walker?
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cutting steak with rotten teeth would be metal as fuck
Fox jaws have fangs. Easy way to differentiate carnivore skulls from others.
You can turn it into a club
It's a deer jaw 100%
Lol caveman club.

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So here's the deal, guys. My son is finally old enough that I'm going to start taking the senpai out camping. We're going to start off with very basic car camping to make it easy to adapt. We originally had a full sized inflatable air mattress, but it was terrible. Way too big and not comfortable at all. I need a pad or other type of mattress that my wife and son can be comfortable on. I don't really care myself as I'm used to sleeping on the ground.

So what can I get for them that will work? Remember it doesn't have to be some super portable or light as we'll be sleeping all of 15 feet from the car for starters.

As a bonus, I'd like to get some sort of self inflatable pad that I can use in my camping hammock that I plan to take with me. Maybe something like pic related.

Price isn't much of an issue, as I want to make sure they are comfortable enough that they'll keep wanting to go /out/, but let's try not to break the bank please.
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Good to know. Thanks for the heads up.

Still looking for a good recommendation for a pad that I can use in my hammock, or is the foam topper sufficient for that as well? I wouldn't mind springing for something that will work for both car camping and future primitive/hike in camping. So maybe something that compresses down better.


My son. Anyone that sees us together would recognize that in an instant.
My kiddo uses an REI kindercamp self inflating. No complaints in tent or hammock.
There sure are a lot of picky cunts around here

I'm also interested in a self inflating foam mattress but honestly they all look the same so I'm just going to buy one and have a go
>Tfw b ro and f am are words being cucked
imagine the threads we post in
b.r.o. is filtered? Since when bro

I'm on a road trip at the moment about to head into New Mexico from El Paso. My planned route is bringing me up through Colorado, Utah, Arizona then into California at death valley. I know Colorado and Utah are supposed to be beautiful as shit and I want to get to death valley before it gets hot as balls, so I was thinking about just driving straight through New Mexico to give me more time in Colorado and Utah. I went to philmont with the scouts and wasn't really all that impressed with the terrain. Is it mostly like that or are there better places to see in other parts of the state that I should give more time to?

>tl;dr are there any sweet /out/ places in New Mexico I should check out
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Everywhere is skinwalker territory.
Cloudcroft seems cool. Up in th mountains east of White Sands
Also, checkout Jemez Springs and north up to La Cueva and the Valle Calderas. Pretty damn gorgeous. Stop by Los Ojos Bar in Jemez Springs for a cold beer and awesome green chile burger.
I wouldn’t worry about it.
I recommend checking out the Bisti Badlands.

This is SO bad.

Early Survivorman was straight up one of my favorite shows of all time. What happened Les?
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holy fuck i'm not saying they all gather around and hold hands as they shit out a berry medley and hold hands as they travel. They are not a bunch of retards running around hootin' and holllerin' rolling cars over and shit. They are a tribe, a small group of nomadic hunter-gatherers. Sure some might wander off scouting for new food sources but never far, it would be stupid and dangerous if they did. If there is a possibility that they do exist, then we have to think of them as small opportunistic hunter-gatherer groups like our ancestors. Dwindling biodiversity due to deforestation, urban sprawl and factory farms will no doubt either force more encounters or straight up lower their already sparse numbers.

I've got this theory that prior to Columbus' discovery of America, There was already a huge Bigfoot die off at the Zenith of the Mississippian Culture due to intensive agricultural practices and deforestation. Thus forcing a migration of Squatchs' into new territories all over north america already inhabited and competing with other groups of squatchs. They would either have to compete for resources, assimilate into the new groups, move onto the next hill or mountain, or die. I believe only then did their numbers stabilize and increase a little bit when the Mississippian Empire crumbled and it's people died off and splintered, forcing them to live with and compete with the Sassy. I think they enjoyed a nice breathing period until The Europeans arrived and wiped out most of the Indians with the new diseases, paving the way for the Colonists. I would say things took a turn for the worse in the 1800's when we force marched a lot of Native tribes out west, some Sass groups splintered off and follow the migration ( at a distance of course) not knowing they would be competing once more with the groups already living there.
got it all figured out dontcha bud
You're god damn right!

>implying theyre not cannibals who eat bones
They eat berries.

For those that love the mystery nature keeps hidden within the Murky Waters of a swamp, it's my hopes you will join me in this thread. Share your questions, experiences, photos and videos of those special places not readily accessible to the General Public or squeamish at heart. Pic related, Brown swamp near Conway South Carolina.
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>the mystery nature keeps hidden
>snapping turtles
>water moccasins
Super mysterious, but I'll pass thanks.
Yeah I was in an area where slaves built a railroad and I found lots of voodoo shit where there slave huts used to be and some Blair Witch looking shit hanging off of trees way the fuck back in a swamp on a fed game reserve
Cool hand symbol anon! You muat be badass!
I love swamps. I'm just fascinated by them. We don't really have any swamps on our land but we do have some mucky spots that are basically just vernal pools that stay wet through June or so, and I would always love exploring them and hopping the rocks and mounds and finding frogs and snakes and getting my feet all muddy. I even made stilts out of an old pair of crutches one summer so I could walk around in the swamp with them. They're just magical and so teeming with life and death and I'm really drawn to them.
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Here are three recordings I made of the same swamp during different times of year. Love that place.




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Hey guys I'm looking to go camping in Big Sur California, I've heard camping near the service roads is pretty good. Do you guys think this is a good idea? It's way to late for us to get a reservation and I doubt we can make it to a first come first serve.
Secret camp spots are very welcome!:)
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why did you make two threads for this
were you that impatient to be spoonfed

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>oh no, I broke my leg. But don't worry, I have band aids and alcohol swab

What's some /out/ advice that you would give to your younger, pre /out/ist, self?
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You carry an actual traction splint. Two fucklong metal rods with all the attachments to properly do it? Why?
Get a vasectomy young and you will be able to get /out/
my AuTisM
And die regretful and alone.

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To make a long story short, I will be living in a cabin for 9-10 months, and there will be little or no resupply. I do not want to be a mccanliss and starve to death, and while I may be able to catch some fish and game, I plan on having food storage handle most of my food needs -- How much food would I need?
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The distilled water will also corrode the lower part of the column, even titanium will eventually corrode.
You can buy alcohol in bulk. From 55 gallons to a tanker truck. Most brands of booze are bought this way from bulk suppliers and repackaged.
I found some online suppliers but outside of a barrel of whiskey at costco that breaks down to 30 bucks for 750 ml, you can't buy bulk without a license. Maybe one or two states allow it but a majority don't. 1.75L is the biggest I've seen.
Eggs don't last 3 months, everything else looks good though. I don't know why mustard got its own bulletpoint, though.
You can pickle, can or use lime to preserve eggs. Lime stored eggs have been reported to last for more than two years. It was big in the 18th century.
Maximum comfy.
Fresh eggs are good for up to two months. The stuff you get in the store doesn't last long since most of the time its been process, shipped and on a shelf. Could be weeks since it was laid.

Who here /Eagle/? Also, funny scouting stories general
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Eagle in 2010. Summer Camp staff 2011-2016. Mostly did climbing and C.O.P.E. but occasionally helped in other areas. I'd tell stories but most of the good ones happened to friends and I suck at green texting.
>Summer 2015
>Scout camp in Georgia
>Finally get to be climbing staff
>Shits cash
>Coworkers are chill
>Boss is a literal druggie
>Tells us about being homeless and doing meth
>All of us spend most nights either high or drunk
>Life is good
>Working hungover sucks
>No idea how no kids got hurt
>Halfway through the summer
>3/4 of the climbing staff gets stopped at a roadblock.
>Beer and weed in the car

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Anyone here make it to the Avondale 100 Years event. We had some troop next to our camp steal our shit and later that night went and stole all of their shoes that they left outside the tent. Good times
Got mine in '02.

funny stories:
>First real campout in boy scouts
>Drive out to campsite, on the main road passing a bunch of camp sites, looking for one more remote
>road continues through an occupied campsite
>turns it out the road dead-ended at this campsite
>said campsite is occupied by wiccans
>naked people grabbing blankets/etc as we drove through/turned around
>camped at the campsite about 1/2mi back down the road
>quiet enough that afternoon/evening, get camp set up
>sun goes down
>until morning

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It is shit

>Sell apples on the street
>Sell Christmas trees
>Go on shitty camping Lodge retreats once per year
>Don't learn anything useful just do fucking skits and dumb games all day

Today, on a whim, I went /out/ for the first time in quite a while. The weather was cool and pleasant, the sound of birds chirping and squirrels rummaging through dead leaves. No one else around, all by my lonesome. Now, hours later, I feel regunivnated, calmer. Pic related, friends. We’re all gonna make it.
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>we're all gonna make it
Did you decide to go /out/ to escape the stress of viewing your portfolio, /biz/ friend?

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I've been camping and outdoors most my life. Recently, though, after moving in with my girlfriend in the city, I've had little chance between work, gf-time, hobbies, etc.
However, I've managed to save up enough money to where we can pay off the rest of our rent lease. We plan on moving in with her grandparents (they are rich) in August and between now and then, I figure I should take advantage of the time and do something I always wanted to do: a long trip around the USA ending in a Vision Quest.

I'm not sure on the details of the trip, but I've been studying how, why, and when to go on a Vision Quest and I think its the opportune time.

>>Where would YOU go for a Vision Quest in the wilderness and what sites would you travel to around the country beforehand??
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Recruit some Injuns to do a raid and burn down the mansion. Return it to nature.
Sounds hella fun, bruh #wasted -- I plan on going solo though. Were you glad you had a guide, (excusing the fight) or do you think you'd've been better off alone?

Make no mistake I will! report!

Great post, anon. Thanks for that. I see a lot of posts talking about non-sober experiences in the wild, but I think that would diminish a lot of the spiritual quality of the whole thing. I've done LSD before and it's spiritual as fuck, (good trips or bad) but I want it all to come from within.

Damn. what a shame.
If you want to initiate a vision quest you should fast for at least a week. Make sure you drink plenty of water though. Also play rhythmic drum music preferably with a lot of people playing them but if you're going solo use prerecorded music on headphones.
Thanks for that advice!

But similarly to what other posters were saying about drugs, I'm also trying to avoid technology as much as possible.
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Just like they did during King Philip's War back in 1675

What's your go to kit for single overnight hikes in summer conditions /out/? What advice would you recommend for a rookie?
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MSR hubba hubba NX2
Exped air mat
Stoney Creek Stealth fly
Stoney creek black stag sleeping bag

That is everything you need.
Use it often on my weekend back pack hunts.

I live in NZ so we can hunt 24/7, 365
One thing to remember about tents.

Bring a rain fly.

Otherwise your sleeping bag gets wet if you try to leave the tent when its raining
No worries, Anon. If you're able to pound stakes into the ground they are the bee's knees.
Were you looking at a specific one?
This one looks interesting.
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I don't really do overnight hikes but here's my setup when I go on an annual fishing trip to Rainy Lake with my dad and some others.
Holy shit, really?

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