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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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What is Shakespeare's best work and why is it obviously Titus Andronicus?

>Here me grave fathers
>I tell my sorrow to the stones
>Die die Lavinia
>Why there they are, both baked in that pie

10/10
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Julius Caesar was always my favorite
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>see that Titus Andronicus is going to be at a park
>think its the cool yankee band
>its some dumb play

tru story
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>>8108094
You suck.
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>>8108084
ebin
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>>8108127
>You will never peasents red wine and eat salad with these two qts

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What read first from my plebby first book collection, /lit/?
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>>8106423
i only see one greek there, OP

/thread
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Hamlet or Catcher. I adore Catch 22, but if its your first go about, you won't finish it and will leave disappointed.
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Read Obama. Dreams from my father is pretty good
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read Artuad, if you're actually into that kind of thing. Otherwise, I'm surprised you'd have it. Required reading for some class?
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>>8106423
Who's Alberto Balsam? Some kind of poet?

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So /lit/, what pulled you out of your first existential crisis?
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>>8108111
If gender didn't matter in many sports, fields of work, relationships, and many other things, it wouldn't really be a practical problem. But it does.
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>>8106382
I read the Stranger because I was working in a library at the time and it was the closest book within reach I thought sounded interesting. Then I actually looked the author up and went on to read the rest of Camus stuff. A lot of my people I try to tell about it just say that it comes of very depressing, but I felt a lot of solidarity out of it
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>>8108121
How the fuck do you define "real" genitalia? It's a piece of meat, it means nothing, your chromosomes are still the same inside. You can't change your sex.
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>>8108120
And do you harass all of them too?
>>8108122
I think it's really overkill to start policing the terminology just because you don't want people to interpret it any way but yours desu. All memeing aside that's some pretty spooky shit
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>>8108111
>if only as a courtesy
How nice of you to both lie and encourage their delusional behaviour, truly your kindness know no bounds.

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Actual genius with great commentary on society or a simple author people give too much credit and respect to?
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>>8108015
I mean, I'm not sure he so much "believes" that other people "can eventually become good and kind after suffering etc etc" so much as he wishes it and tries to embody that ideal himself. Having been a prisoner of war and whatnot, and seeing his fair share of shit.

But what I'm trying to say is, reading his work, it felt to me like he held no illusions about how stupid and cruel people are, or how meaningless/useless the struggle for happiness/peace is, and what-have-you. I just find the criticism that he's "naive" to be a bit unfair, not to mention unduly cynical in itself. But if naive is just shorthand for idealistic, then I guess it's accurate.
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>>8107805
i have no idea and i can guarantee that nobody else here does either
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>>8108057
I'm >>8107959 and I didn't really mean it as a criticism so much as a description. To me his books still come off like fairy tales even if bad things happen to people in them or whatever, because the "shit" I've seen myself IRL has shown me that redemption through suffering is seldom found and even more rarely "takes" the way he shows for more than a couple of weeks or months.

I'm not saying this was his worldview IRL, just that it's the worldview of his books themselves. That isn't necessarily bad or anything, but it can be frustrating or come off as maudlin to those who've experienced things to the contrary.
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>>8108057
>But if naive is just shorthand for idealistic, then I guess it's accurate.
admittedly, I see idealism as naivety and that's reflected in my opinion.

But also, I Player Piano he visualizes a future wherein automation has taken practically all of mankind's jobs and in doing so also took man's purpose(something he believed could happen in the future). I actually asked my PLC programming instructor what he thought about that and he just laughed at the idea of robots taking all of our jobs. He's the guy that programs said robots and he didn't believe it.

And the Shah of Bratpur(?) was an obvious and clumsy literary device to show a contrast of America's self-destructive industry and ideologies, and when the author no longer needed the device he literally left him in a gutter.

I actually really liked the book, it's extremely well written and well-thought, just too idealistic to be taken as a legitimate cautionary tale
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>>8108126
To be fair, Vonnegut didn't think it was very good either because he gave it a "C" in that one book where he gives himself "grades" (relative to himself and not anyone else) for all of his works.

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I have in my possession the King James version of The Bible.

What is the best way I can go about reading it in a secular, academic fashion?
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>>8107285
praise is*
>praised
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Try using this instead.
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If that is your intent, you would be counter-reading it according to the last lines of John.
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>>8107214
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>>8107294
Thanks. We never would've figured that out.

All fedora-tipping memes aside, does the argument have any merit?
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>>8107987

Julian?
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>>8107465
So you are claiming not to be using the internet right now? Good going, lad.
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>>8104813
No.
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>>8104878
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>>8106565
ur mum came last night when I fucked her bitchboy

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Does this get any better? Im about 60 pages in
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>>8108085
Watched* whatever the fuck
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>>8108087
I have nothing more to say to you.
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>>8108095
Kk
Have I offended you in some way? Just wondering.
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>>8108046
Depends on how much you like small twists and mythology. If you do, go for it. Otherwise its just gonna be the same thing with Shadow coming to terms with personal problems and being faced with an existential crisis involving religion (not as dramatic as I am making it sound)
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>>8108112
Aight thx ill keep that in mind. Im interested in reading about the gods and mythology and stuff like that

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>Wild eyes were another sign. It is something I have seldom seen — the expression of an ecstatic state — though much is foolishly written of them, as if they grew like Jerusalem artichokes along the road. The eyes are black, right enough, whatever their normal color is; they are black because their perception is condensed to a coal, because the touch and taste and perfume of the lover, the outcry of a dirty word, a welcome river, have been reduced in the heat of passion to a black ash, and this unburnt residue of oxidation, this calyx, replaces the pupil so it no longer receives but sends, and every hair is on end, though perhaps only outspread on a pillow, and the nostrils are flared, mouth agape, cheeks sucked so the whole face seems as squeezed as a juiced fruit; I know, for once Lou went into that wildness while we were absorbing one another, trying to kiss, not merely forcefully, not the skull of our skeleton, but the skull and all the bones on which the essential self is hung, kiss so the shape of the soul is stirred too, that's what is called the ultimate French, the furtherest fuck, when a cock makes a concept cry out and climax; I know, for more than once, though not often, I shuddered into that other region, when a mouth drew me through its generosity into the realm of unravel, and every sensation lay extended as a lake, every tie was loosed, and the glue of things dissolved. I knew I wore the wild look then. The greatest gift you can give another human being is to let them warm you till, in passing beyond pleasure, your defenses fall, your ego surrenders, its structure melts, its towers topple, lies, fancies, vanities, blow away in no wind, and you return, not to the clay you came from — the unfired vessel — but to the original moment of inspiration, when you were the unabbreviated breath of God.

What the actual fuck did he mean by this?
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Uh.

>I'm a cringy tryhard virgin

Is what that said to me.
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>>8107950
Gonna guess this is an excerpt from Lolita
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It only takes a quick copypaste on Google to find out who wrote this

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>Trying to decide the name for my main character

I've been at this for 2 hours and I just can't, it feels like such a massive decision, and I'll have to do this for every character.
How do you guys decide on one?
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>>8106466
>>8106488
You could always do something thats a bit funny. Also depends how the story is narrated: for example, if the main character narrates he may give himself a name reflecting how he sees himself, whereas if someone else narrates his name would be how they see him, or if its meant to be more or less factual then his name would be completely irrelevant
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I've been developing my main character for five years now and still don't have a name for him. Not because I'm forcing it though, who gives a shit about a name.
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>>8105032
I didn't even bother naming my character. He is an asshole/me and not worthy of humanization.
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>>8105077
Hugely underated post
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>>8105149
Also this

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>ur gf sends this text

what do u do, /lit/?
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>has a gf

you can't be /lit/ and have a gf at the same time

ONLY IF you've both finished the Western Canon. Until then, >pic related
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>>8108049
you'll give in eventually
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>>8108049
broke up w her. give me the western canon list
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>>8108098
Start with the greeks
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>>8108049
What if my GF is a classics professor who reads The Greeks to me in the original Attic (old Ionic when appropriate) when I ball her? Huh? What then, wise guy?

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What are some good books about libertarian philosophy and individualism?
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>>8108100
Das Kapital
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If you were to defecate in your fist, smear it on the wall, and decipher some political philosophy from it, you'd have a more effective, realistic philosophy than Libertarianism
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>>8108100

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Is there a market for comfy books? No death, no epic adventure, no weird romance, just a comfy story about life in general.

I don't know many books like this but am very interested in writing something that goes into that direction.
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Would you be referring to something like the "slice of life" film genre? If so I would be interested in that as well.
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>>8108082
Mud
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>>8108089
Wat
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>>8108097
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mud_%282012_film%29
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>>8108104
Nice

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Read my books.
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Thomas Pynchon was described by some friends and colleagues as racist. His friend Danny Felds, the American journalist who helped publish V, described him as "Nazi-esque", saying: "Every once in a while there'd be something about Jews and I'd be, 'But Tom, I'm Jewish,' and he was like 'Yes, yes, I don't mean you.' he had a definite Nordic Aryan streak, [the belief] that he was physically, spiritually and creatively superior", a view he appears to have continued to maintain throughout his later years. According to Felds, Pynchon once attacked a mixed-race woman in a restaurant with a smashed wineglass, saying "I hate black people". Controversy arose when Tom originally planned a chapter in Gravity's Rainbow with strong antisemitic views and was forced to retract it by his editor.
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>>8108031
No, this worked better with DFW. Pynchon actually goes out of his way to be sympathetic to Jews in his novels.
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>>8107994
Its existence itself is a meme. Even most of us who have literally read every single one of his other books have unread copies of Against the Day lying around (I know I do as seen in pic related).

Personally, I haven't gotten around to reading it because it'd feel too much like saying goodbye to one of my favorite authors.
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>DUDE BANANAS LMAO

What did he mean by this
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>>8108053
>Personally, I haven't gotten around to reading it because it'd feel too much like saying goodbye to one of my favorite authors.

Oh man, I hadn't even thought about that. With three books left to go I don't know what I'll do. Reread I guess.

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Oh you merry men and women, let's share some samples and share some feedback.

PLEASE leave feedback before or immediately after posting your work. Otherwise these threads turn to shit. Seriously.
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>>8107776
I think I was trying to go for a kind of mock profundity for so that there would be comic disjuncture between the register of the prose and the insipidness of what the prose actually describes, idk though, to might be a little much. My idea for this story so far is to have it follow the arc of Chekhov's "The Duel", but with the characters and plot even more inconsequential. I'm not sure if its a good idea since I dislike works of fiction that are clearly modeled on earlier works of fiction in a way that's meant to be cutesy, but the idea I had for the climax, where two of the characters are going to 1v1 quick scope in some FPS or something instead of dueling, seems kind of clever, so I feel like I have to keep that frame to make that fit.
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I have no pretensions of this being good, so don't feel bad about tearing it apart. I'm just curious as to how to make an interesting opening line right now.

Growing up, I was always under the impression that the unspoken rule of not shooting your best friend was a cardinal one, but apparently, that rule falls secondary to the explicit order of your friend's commanding officer to "shoot that fucker in the face." To his credit though, James didn't actually shoot me in the face; he shot me in the stomach.
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I woke up at 12:30 last night to find my father telling me to slip my clothes on. I asked him what for and he replied hastly
"Mr. House found some of his goats dead, and we have to help him out."
We walked outside and waiting was Mr. House in his Studebaker. It was raining so I sat in one of the seats in the back.
"I'm thank you two enough for comin' round for help'' Mr. House said.
We drove off to the farm. It was only water on water outside, and the doors were washed off from most sight. Nasty rain was flooding some of the street.
When we arrived at the farm; there were four of the work men out with their laterns. The rain made them all covered and wet.
"The goats were found out here an our ago" he spit and told us "Walter over here said he heard some noises from the outhouse, and went to go check on em'. When he went he saw


I will continue if you'd like

It's one of my best writings
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>>8108036
Continue please
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>>8108091
When he went he saw a tall man, very tall."
Mr. House turned and asked Walter "Is this true?"
"Yes sir, very. He was crazy, he was eating out the goat raw. The savage man was suckin' all the blood from em'. I think he saw me, so I ran back out to the house and told Buddy to bring his Winchester. But it was too late. We couldn't save them all. It was the most awfulest thing I'd ever seen sir, usually we get dogs and coyotes. But it was a damn man! You shoulda seen it yourself sir, im tellin' the truth!" He was frantic and shakin' by what happened. I had some right to believe in him, the guy seemed honest.
Mr. House shook his head in shame and told him "I believein' ya, you always told me the truth, and you look like you're sober enough to know. It's just a damn shame that there is not much we can do here. I want you boys to get these bloody things on the back of the truck and i'll bring them home with me and take a look at them."
I helped pick up the cadavers from the blood puddles they were left in and threw them on the back of the truck. Once we did, Mr. House dismissed us and told us to go home and get rest. We got back home and sat down at the kitchen table.
Dad took off his boots and told me "I dont exactly believe what Walt said, and you shouldn't either. Sometimes I think we just see things that aren't there. But dont tell him I said that, because he is a good man, and he is smart." I nodded off and went upstairs to go back to sleep.

I woke up at noon from a nightmare, it was one similar to what Walter had seen last night. It's scary to wake up and see what he saw; just like he described I saw a man, tall and thin. He had fanged teeth and was feeding on the animal. Blood ran down his face, and on the ground. But like my father said, I must discredit it all. It was only just a dream, and it probably came from my thoughts before bed.
I think I should have time to relax more, since this week had all been so much stress. I cant complain today though. The weather makes it all seem better than it has been.


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