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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
http://www.ak3d.net/help.htm
Bookzz
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Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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>Did anyone read this novel?

If so, could you please tell me the last line of this novel and how many pages is the novel?


Thank you in advance.
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6
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>>8457905
17
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>Oedipa settled back, to await whatever.

49 pages.
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>>8457905
yes it's great

i won't tell you the rest fuck you seppo cunt

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Why bother BUYING physical books when it's so easy to download e-books for free from the internet? It's like you guys like burning your money.
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Fuck all of you cunts replying to the same bait thread that has been posted multiple times a week for years.
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>>8458493
that's the fun part
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...cause I like to read physical books? Maybe I like to hold a real book?
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>>8458360
Are you?
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>>8458536
well, it generates genuine discussions, so fuck off

Is he, dare I say it, our guy?
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acceeeeleration time come on!

What does /lit/ think of Emma Watson?
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why did this thread get 45 posts before being deleted by moderators
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>>8458609
Because it's not someone posting the cover of Ulysses or the ugliest human known to man, Thomas Pynchon.
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>>8458609
They don't delete blatant shitposts, troll threads, or off topic posts, so why delete this?
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>>8458463
If she was a dark romantic I'd lust endlessly.
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What am I in for, /lit/?
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>>8458537
a great read. for the first part, just remember it's super non-linear and keep in mind the idea of association
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>>8458562
Pleb here. What do you mean by association?
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You will be very confused when reading the first two parts, and quite possibly even the latter two parts.
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>>8458599
for example on the first few pages, when Benjy hears a golfer call for their "caddie" he associates the word with his sister "Caddy" and related memories. understanding how his brain works makes that section much easier and much more enjoyable

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Find a flaw.


>inb4 shitty English translation
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>>8458492

It makes some of his other work look not as good
That translation (MacAndrew) and Intro are very good
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>>8458492
Alyosha wasn't fully fleshed out and was a slightly flat character because Dostoevsky was saving it for the life of a great sinner, but died before he could write it.

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I just got the Hobbit and the Lotr trilogy
What am in for?
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>>8457226
I have seen the movies and i love a good high fantasy book and so i cam across them and tought "why not?"
I also got the Children of Hurin
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enjoy the songs every two pages for the 1st 100 pgs
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>>8457238
>not also getting the silmarillion
Comeone its like you want Stephen Colbert to make fun of you
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tfw I just keep re-reading the first part when the hobbits are just chillin' in the shire, it's so damn cozy.
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>>8458063
Its on his way, i started the Hobbit and loved it so much i ended up buying it

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Write what's on your mind.
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>>8458415
>I know that personal validation and happiness can't entirely come from external sources
They barely come from it even. Cynics and Stoics were right desu, focus should be on tending to that inner citadel primarily.
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>>8458441
I think it will be a masterpiece
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I kind of want to take a younger teenage boy and fatten him up. Someone around 13, 14, 15 or so, just pump him full of calories until he weighs 300+ pounds.

I don't know why.
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>>8458501
Just do it
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>>8458501
how about a 34 year old man who already started fattening baby?

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What's the best translation of pic related?
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>>8458613
The one made by me, in English.
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none because it's not the same book translated. more so than most translated texts
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>>8458613
What I want to know is what version has the best annotations?

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Why is Bleak House the most underrated Dickens novel? Its obviously his best.
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>>8458254
Probably because A Tale of Two Cities is his least parochial book.
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>>8458476
YOU'RE DOOMED, SCROOGE!
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>>8458490
Tale of Two cities has the best ending, Christmas Carol is consistent throughout the work.
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>>8458502
DOOMED FOR ALL TIME!
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>>8458254

A combination of the length (it's the longest of his works, I believe) and the name itself, I think. The name probably makes many think it's a dreary book, even though it's not.
It's perfectly balanced. Not coincidentally, it was published at the exact midpoint of Dickens' writing career, well after the initial exuberance of Pickwick but before the ultimate bitterness of his later years.
Also Esther is my litfu to the end

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Which books provide great instructions?

> pic related
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>>8458270
just sit around like a dog when you want to don't make up pretentious snake oil memes about it silly
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>>8451062
What's the point of meditation if it doesn't provide any moral guidance?
...I'm relaxed. Now what?
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Meditation gave me DPD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder
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>>8458513
try to gain insight into why you're not satisfied by being relaxed.
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>>8458513
You just solved all your problems and therefore no longer need moral guidance.

If you still have problems and desires you're not chill enough, keep meditating.

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ITT: non-literature that would have been fundamental classics or nobel price winners if they had been made as books with good prose.
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>>8457731
I'd agree with this. I haven't read much manga, though, so I don't know exactly how it compares to the rest of the stuff out there
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>>8457016
It would be something like Atomsk.

>>8456994
I love Deus Ex but most of its value is derived from other games being incredibly shit.
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>>8458440

holy fuck you're goddamn stupid
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>>8457003
This.

Deus Ex is good because of the format. If it wasn't a videogame, It would probably be like those shitty action thrillers they sell in airports.
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>>8458552
>It would be something like Atomsk.
how did atomsk predict the entire state of society near flawlessly? with reference to specific event such as the fall of the twin towers to terror attacks?

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wtf I hate myself now
>tfw you actually have a mickey mouse watch that you wear to parties
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>>8458292
>far more optimistic than anyone else in the book (besides arguably stanley
Wow, he dIED, fucking optimistic as heck

Also, Wyatt is fucking insane by the end, not "authentic". He embraces a Faustian, parodically Satanic form of Christianity, an inversion of Christianity that hints, chiasmatically, at the Black Mass jokingly alluded to in the beginning of the story. His philosophy is that of sinning and immersing oneself in materiality precisely so one can redeem oneself out of it, IIRC --- a heresy Gaddis no doubt knew was a popular historical heresy of certain strange, licentious Christian cults.

Wyatt = unredeemed Faust, the ultimate symbol of jaded modern man set free from his moorings, a murderer, adulterer (although so's his wife, so there's that), someone who runs away from his wife and all the people he knows to potter around in Spain.

He doesn't even have a name by the end, that's how alienated he is from everyone and everything.

Overall, though, the book is not so pessimistic as I make it sound, but rather a dark comedy and a venting of bile against the modern world (or as it was in Gaddis's time). This unredemption of Wyatt furthers the bitter humor of it, as opposed to the sentimentality of >>8458427 , which (he judged correctly) probably would have been too sappy and dishonest to work.

It's a great fucking work, honestly, I'm very passionate about it and upset that it's not and maybe never will be recognized as a classic of American literature the same way, say, Gravity's Rainbow (which takes a lot from it in prose style, tone, dark humor, allusiveness) already is.

I also don't mean to sound so angry at you, BTW, this is just how I usually sound on 4chan.
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>>8458524
He does have a name at the end. After leaving mr. "Yak"/Sinisterra he just keeps the Stephan name from his fake passport.
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>>8458524
idk i just had a more optimistic view of it than you

maybe i didnt make it clear but i fully acknowledge it's a very pessimistic ending, but it's the possibility of something optimistic that i think gives it more power.

indeed, regarding

>He doesn't even have a name by the end, that's how alienated he is from everyone and everything.

he loses his name but he gets a new one, one that is essentially what this mother originally intended to name him. to me that's a sign that there is, in spite of everything, hope for "redemption" in a sense. again it's not redemption - we don't actually knwo what happens to wyatt after the monastery, but we can possibly envision a future where he does get a chance at it. i think that's more powerful than unrelenting condemnation, nor does it, i think, take away anything from the takedown of modern life.

i loved the book too senpai.

>Wow, he dIED, fucking optimistic as heck


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>>8458524
I always interpreted Wyatt as something more ascetic than corrupted. He's definitely unredeemed, as is everyone, but his retirement from the world isn't alienation so much as it is solitude. He's trying to scrape the canvas clean and deny the awful reflexivity of the world. Ironically the best way to conquer the self is to isolate it and trap it within in order to stifle it
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>>8458580
I remembered the Stephan (which IIRC is transformed into Stephen by the end), but didn't think of it in the way you guys thought of it. Where does it say his mother originally intended to name him that? I don't remember it, honestly. You may very well be right, honestly, and if not that there's always a margin of interpretation for every reader, I can't take away whatever impression Gaddis gave to you, now can I?

Stanley's death (do spoilers even work anymore on /lit/?) I initially was very moved by but thinking critically on it I think it's more dark humor, especially the point about how his work is seldom spoken of, although when it is, it's spoken of with high regard (which is pretty prophetic of the novel itself, obviously). Stanley's a great, innocent, naive person and what happens to him? He gets crushed by the modern world and no one really even cares about him after it, although he does have his own private, quiet redemption with himself that the reader can privately share in too, I suppose. The personal redemption of the artist, where the artist is battling with and proving everything to only themselves, if that's not too sappy and sentimental-sounding.

>>8458592
Sounds very Gaddisian, good post.

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>>8457099
They stuff-in and water down a lot of important ideas explored in better written works. They make themselves accessible to teens and idiots (wot da diffrence lol) by having easily identifiable pro/antags and conventional easy to grasp romance.
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>>8457099
They follow a basic movie structure, and with the prevalence of movies and tv as the most common storytelling mechanism for some generations everything that deviates from it looks too "complex" or too "boring"
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(Brain)Death of the reader.
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>>8457690
Please. At least spam filter all posts mentioning John Green.
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'Young adults' don't bother with older books nowadays, not even the classics usually. Shoehorned love stories and simple characters appeal to people who rather not have to try and understand a book too hard.


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