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For some reason he is never mentioned whenever people discuss difficult writers like Gass or Joyce ; this nigga is like an amalgation of Faulkner and Proust but is probably the most visceral writer out there if you manage to get past the experimentationWon the Nobel prize of literature and no one knows him even in France btw
>>25502862I can smell it on your breath
>>25503153>>25503163this tickles me to no end. it seems my metamorphosis is complete. I, am a born and bred citizen of the United States of America.
>>25502395Robbe-Grillet peaked with the first few pages of Les gommes, where he describes a bistrot and the owner cleaning up the place ; it's all downhill from there.How can you even compare such inane stuff like this:>J'ai trouvé tout de suite une place libre dans un compartiment, à la portière coulissante entrouverte, dont mon irruption imprévue a visiblement troublé l'atmosphère. Je ne dirais pas « le calme », car il devait s'agir plutôt d'une discussion enfiévrée, peut-être violente, à la limite comminatoire de l'empoignade. Il y avait là six hommes, en raides manteaux de ville avec des chapeaux noirs assortis, qui se sont immobilisés d'un seul coup à mon entrée, dans la posture où je venais de les surprendre ; l'un s'était mis debout, les deux bras levés au ciel dans un geste d'imprécation ; un autre, assis, tendait le poing gauche, coude à demi replié ; son voisin pointait vers lui ses deux index, de part et d'autre de la tête, imitant les cornes du diable ou d'un taureau prêt à charger, un quatrième se détournait avec un air de tristesse infinie, tandis que son vis-à-vis penchait le buste en avant pour se prendre le visage à deux mains. and the Simonian >L'imaginant donc, le voyant en train de lire consciencieusement l'un après l'autre chacun des vingt-trois volumes de prose larmoyante, idyllique et fumeuse, ingurgitant pêle-mêle les filandreuses et genevoises leçons d'harmonie, de solfège, d'éducation, de niaiserie, d'effusions et de génie, cet incendiaire bavardage de vagabond touche-à-tout, musicien, exhibitionniste et pleurard qui, à la fin, lui ferait appliquer contre sa tempe la bouche sinistre et glacée de ce... (et alors la voix de Blum disant : "Bien ! Donc il a trouvé, ou plutôt il a trouvé un moyen de trouver ce qu'on appelle une mort glorieuse. Dans la tradition de sa famille, dis-tu. Simon has all the breadth of Proust or Faulkner, and a sense of rhythm that is unmatched in French literature (yes, even by Céline or Flaubert), whereas the sterile masturbatory prose of Robbe-Grillet, amounting to nothing more than a serie of obsessive pornographic vignettes, and culminating with his pedo book, is already forgotten even amongst the most autistic readers of post-modernist crap.(does it come as a surprise to learn that Robbe-Grillet was impotent?)
>>25503786>consciencieusement>exhibitionnistemerde
>>25503786there was far more than just one pedo book, actually. i had a good old time sending those through the shredder. i filmed it too.no, grillet domineers over poor bland milquetoast simon. nice try though!
>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.The server: https://discord.gg/uPvkn8Tcf6/phil/ guide: https://www.scribd.com/document/324425214/Lit-Philosophy-Project-1-2Previous thread: >>2540005
>>25501109Gotta read him directly. Can't be afraid of re-readings and having your pace sometimes slow to a crawl. It's fine to not take any pleasure in it now, but it's like maintaining a healthy diet and exercising regularly, good in the long run even if it's a pain in the ass starting out.
>>25501109>that shit is so fucking dryJust like all philosophy.
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>>25500940I am reading The Kantian Religion by Ian Hunter. It's primarily an historical contextualization but covers a lot of his analytic, moral, and religious ideas fairly approachably.
>>25503216based
>You think I'm playing at some game? You think iron will keep you safe? Hear my words, manling. Do not mistake me for my mask. You see light dappling on the water and forget the deep, cold dark beneath. Listen. You cannot hurt me. You cannot run or hide. In this I will not be defied.>I swear by all the salt in me: if you run counter to my desire, the remainder of your brief mortal span will be an orchestra of misery.>I swear by stone and oak and elm: I'll make a game of you. I'll follow you unseen and smother any spark of joy you find. You'll never know a woman's touch, a breath of rest, a moment's peace of mind.And I swear by the night sky and the ever-moving moon: if you lead my master to despair, I will slit you open and splash around like a child in a muddy puddle. I'll string a fiddle with your guts and make you play it while I dance. You are an educated man. You know there are no such things as demons. There is only my kind. You are not wise enough to fear me as I should be feared. You do not know the first note of the music that moves me.”
Every single "literary" fiction writer after Joyce merely writes in Joyce's shadow. There is nowhere to go in literary fiction after Joyce. Pynchon is in Joyce's shadow. So is Gaddis."Literary" fiction has been completed. It's finished. To do something new in fiction you must move beyond the "realism" of the literary novel. Say what you want about Tolkien writing fantasy or Wolfe writing sci-fi, they're moving in different directions at least, taking paths that Joyce has not already taken.McCarthy knew it, too, which is why, for his masterpiece, he wrote a genre piece (a Western).
The problem with Joyce is that, when I read him, I just don't... believe him? I don't think he does either. And that's a big problem.
>>25503777>saaar you are bloody indian saaar because i say so saaaarOk to stop you seething I will use the native language sar, bloody benchod madarchod rundi bastaerd
>>25503783i only said that indians use that sort of reasoning to defend their poor choices. if you're actually indian that's pretty funny.
>>25503787Good, you are smart and western and I am non-western Indian, happy?
Chuds will really spend too much time on the internet and make hating Jews and Indians their entire personality
beneath the gold, the bitter steel editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25477903
>>25503653Yeah that’s pretty fuckin shit writing I can’t lie >>25503483Well, what is it?
>>25503653Asha is a dumb bitch, what do you want
>>25503781Honestly I dont think there is an actual, literal place that whores go. Tywin was just being dismissive, scornful, rhetorical, and insulting. Classic Tywin. Tysha probably killed herself.
>>25503782>what do you wantJust ONE female character who isn't insufferable
>>25503791Personally I kind of like Brienne. I didnt at first but she has grown on me.
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>>25503743My fucking boy. I've been slowly acquiring a few over the years. Coffee table books. You're right, snoot a couple, invite a couple of art hoes over, bust out a malbec from argentina, and start looking through the art book while discussing "process" and reading exerpts. I'm looking for one on mushrooms or maybe lamps. We'll see.Anyways, I'm really into his like... floral fusion artwork? Where he replaces a lady's face or guts with a flower arangement. It's surprisingly realistic; Dali obviously was watching some Live Leak. But I mean Une Chien Andelou pretty much hits the nail on the head. I also really liked the one of marsupial centars.
Just want to get loaded and eat some KFC and watch the news.
>>25503677It's all in the screenshot. I'm sorry, I know it's frustrating. But it really is all in the screenshot
is having two voices in your head argue over how to best utilize the whole just internal dialog or schizophrenia? asking for a friend
>>25503788I have that too so it's either normal or we're both schizophrenic.
"Just Be Yourself" editionPrevious: >>25492962/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Discuss the written works below for practice; contribute, and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Expect critique, not praise.Shitposters should be ignored and reported.>Beginner guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Hey wow my novel came out today
>>25502148Here's my problem with 'show don't tell', it makes you think of the story as a movie or an anime or comic or anything visual, instead of pure and simple writing. You will overexplain all the little details "oh he gestured this oh he moved his head, oh he swung his fist" repeatedly because you get caught up in showing all the details of the scene. It almost makes you seem desperate and needy for that "adaptation" that turns the book into something real. Yes, in moderation, a quick little gesture can convey something complex in a short and simple way. Sometimes you want to hurry things along. But it shouldn't all be short and simple. It's ok to just have a guy monologuing a bit. He doesn't have to be emoting and theater acting all the damn time. It's ok to have purple prosey rants, that's the whole poetry and beauty of writing. Similes and metaphors don't fall into the realm of 'showing' either. A PoV character ranting his biased thoughts isn't show. Show don't tell teaches you to kill the tell.Just a stupid midwit trend that encourages Sandersonslop.
>>25503535>came outtrad pub or what?
what if i posted an english book on narou
>>25502427Nah, Markdown can handle all your formatting needs. The plaintext Markdown format will store very efficiently in git, and allow you to view meaningful diffs between versions. You can use pandoc to convert from Markdown to any e-book format you want. You can even do complex paragraph/character font combinations with the fenced_divs and bracketed_spans extensions to Markdown, which pandoc supports. I wouldn't write any other way now.
Are there any other femanons on /lit/? How do you deal with how the world always seems to want us to read modern books to fit in instead of reading literary classics and classic poetry. None of my friends take an interest in the classic book shelf I have on my goodreads account but the second I read a modern YA or romance . When I make recommendations to my literary circle, 90 % of discussion goes to modern books except the rest when the only response is that I had to read that in high school and I tend to just skim that, when the language is a lot more colorful than modern books. It helps me to listen to audiobooks when I'm doing other things like laundry or cooking. I blame school for ruining the appeal of classic literature.
>>25503737a light in the dark… a man, no, the shade of a man, clinging to the old ways…
I fucking hate living in the future I wish I was 17 and living in garbage and shitposting about proto-pepe again and nary a woman to be seenWhen 4chan finally dies for good I won't even be sadAlso fuck you op, your vapid and low iq
>>25503762and yet, the tits must be shewn, for the claims of womanhood constrewn, to be true
>>25503700>None of my friends take an interest in the classic book shelf I have on my goodreads account but the second I read a modern YA or romance .Nice sentence there, retard.
Greetings fair maidens
You know what to do
>>25497374i'll check it out
>>25497021i made that. your words are very sweet though i probably couldve shortened the words on chud, but im still proud of this. this one isnt mine tho
>>25497016What, did Penguin censor it? That's surprising, their edition of The 120 Days of Sodom certainly isn't censored.
>>25498510He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
just made this
What are some kino and accurate biography/history books?
1066
The Oregon Trail
>>25500891Plot?>>25501099What year was it written?
>>25501520>Plot?The Norman conquest of England.>What year was it written?1849, I read it earlier this year from Project Gutenberg.https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1015
like you wouldn't believe
>>25503579So he was Thoreau for incels
>>25500000He will return
>>25500000
>>25503579and don't forget he record videos and post them to youtube trying to be an eceleb. there are million talentless wannabes shilling themselves on the net, what annoyed me about him was that he clearly didn't read anything but for someone reason chose our community as one of his shill spots, he was also hitting up reddit apparently. when he failed to gain traction, he quit.
>>25500000I hope he's enjoying his kid >>25503699>he clearly didn't read anythingI mean it's pretty clear he read more lit than most anons here, went out more than every single anon on /out/ and knew more about politics than most anons on /pol/ and that's if you begin being honest with yourself. That was part of his disillusionment with the internet. He can only relate in an academic setting but he is against academics. Which explains why he conversed with Kaczynski enough to make it in his book.
>book has preface
>book has a translator's preface that contextualizes the author's benighted views and says he is a "product of his time"
>>25503717>problematic
REEEEEEDDDDDDIIIIIIIITTTTTT FRAAAAAAWWWWWGGGG!!!!!!
>Get book on Chekov's short novels>Introduction is a very interesting overview of Chekov's artistic trajectory over his life>Fascinated by intro and read all of it>Afterward, read 10 pages of the first short novel, and am bored by it>Never continue on with it
>book grows arms and legs, gets up and starts staring at me
All the European fairy tales were about the dangers of trusting jews
>>25503732There's no end to the rabbit hole
>>25503705>>25503713>>25503726WTF, EVERY SINGLE TIME
>>25503666you're obviously a jew for saying that
>>25503688This but the local rabbi, and I’m not joking.
>>25503747WHAT? THE JEWS TURNED ME INTO A JEW? IM GOING INSANE
Last thread was fun, let's tweak word count and see what happens.REPLY TO THE POST YOU'RE CONTINUING (unless the thred is ded) so we can have stories going in parallel / not worry about refreshingStories from the last thread: >>25499113 >>25499127 >>25500407 >>25500421 >>25502028First post, start us off.
>>25503628started fisting eachother with the force of
>>25503636white men fistfighting in the parking lot.
>>25503636a nuclear blast. It was impossible to
>>25503078saaaar
>>25503686At times it seemed less like fisting
