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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

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Recommended Literature

What kind of philosophy will point out the absurdness in not being able to talk to girls? I already got the looks, the body and the voice, and I just can't talk to attractive women. Book recs?
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protip: using nu-male unironically means you're a numale

>inb4 paradox
i'm being ironic
The numale "modern movement" shit may be, but the actual books hold up.

Just when you thought Nietzsche couldn't be more of a neckbeard.
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"numales" are autistics?
I thought they were more like liberal Chads
What goes around always eventually comes around ;3

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Post your poetry and others rate it

I will start

Atop a mountain, my goal is set
Thin air and anxiety cloud the mind
The birds frolic and the fog drifts
The white rope I have been walking on creeks and tightens with every step
It connects mountain to mountain
The past and the future
One step forward feels like three steps back
Am I good enough?
Time will tell
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Language doesn't have an expiration date. It is antiquated only in the sense that nobody talks like that day-to-day, or writes academia. There is no rule that governs what flavour of English you should be writing in, especially not when it comes to poetry.
There are no real rules in this world, unless you make them
Sure, but that makes you a bad poet.
Stop posting this you fucking moron. Human beings, as artists, have collectively decided that there are rules for what makes art good. These rules change with the times. For example, read "What is Art?" by Leo Tolstoy. That's an example of what the rules were for good art in the early 20th century.

You can refuse to accept that there aren't rules, but you will always be a bad artist.

No, it doesn't.

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Where do you come from?
Who is THE James Joyce of your country?

Poland here, Bolesław Leśmian is the guy I guess, correct me if I'm wrong.
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had you bothered reading it you would know that arbetarlitteraturen is quintessentially modernist. besides, what about poetry? ekelöf, lindegren, björling, södergran... high modernism all of it.
>brazil: joão guimarães rosa

Surprisingly, you got it right.
I only can compare Jean Echenoz to Thomas Pynchon. Never found the possible homologue of Joyce.
Faulkner, nigga
>people; human beings
>most psychologically complex entities currently known

>analogies, homologies, and the rest of the autism spectrum

yeah, nice try /sci/

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>start reading more classic literature
>begin to develop an actual sense of aesthetic taste and objectivity
>realize almost all recent books within the past 20 years are garbage

What are some objectively good recent books?
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pic related is about it desu senpai
>begin to develop an actual sense of aesthetic taste and objectivity
No. What happened is that you developed your taste for the older books.
>it's the sharezoneposter
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Don't listen to him. Franzen's a mediocre hack.

What book should I begin with? I'm particularly interested in what he has to say about language
I started with A History of Western Philosophy. It's a pretty cool survey. It took me a while to read it all though.
On Denoting

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What about the Berlin Review and the New York Review?
Not OP here. Don't read periodicals really, but I want to. I've read snippets here and there. Just stuff that I wanted to read and happened to be published in a periodical. How do you read them? Print? Online? Do you subscribe?
Ever since the Steins took over all of the fiction published in it is either graphic sex core or abortion drama core. The interviews are still pretty good, though.
Their interviews are amusing at least.

>that cornfather interview
>Gaddis shitting all over two bit hacks like Gardner
>Faulkner copping to being a drunken hillbilly
>New Left Review

How is this /lit/ in any way? /Leftypol/ maybe.

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What is the best edition of Ulysses? I already read the Gabler edition, and thought it was a decent edition, but it ended up falling apart by the time I was done. Are there any better editions I should get for the reread?
Get the annotated Oxford edition. It's not that expensive and has many references explained. It's also got fixed printing errors from the original text. It's a decent pick.

Or get an Everyman's hardback if you have money, although I am not sure they are annotated editions.
Who cares dude its just a book
you're just a book
Is everyman's the best publisher for classic novels? I find that they're always perfectly sized to fit in the hand, and the words on the page a good size and well spaced. The only problem is that unlike pengiun they are just the original text with short and concise introductions. This isn't a problem for some, but especially for nearly incomprehensible titles like Ulysses it helps to have some annotations. My problem with penguin is that there are usually so many annotations that reading them all is pointless, but missing just the key few that you need to help you have a deeper understanding of the literature leaves you totally in the dark about some of the aspects of the book. Does the oxford edition just give you the important details or is ut verbose to? I'm reading the odyssey right now and I'm also wondering which publisher to buy Ulysses from.
If you already read it and just want a sturdy edition, get the Everyman's.

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Where to start with Hegel?
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holy shit are you retarded
If you think you can get an 'overview' of any philosopher's thought, then, you don't actually know Hegel's thought.
or don't agree with it, as the case may be
The trash.
Spotted a major problem within about a minute:
>Maybe Timaeus as well, which alludes to the Republic. Other than that, the rest are great from a certain philosophic perspective, but maybe not so essential to someone who'd just like familiarity.
Timaeus is at least as important as the Republic. It was in Western Europe the ONLY extent Plato dialogue up until the Renaissance, and Platonism really refers to the idea of forms in Timaeus up until the enlightenment. And the organicist idea of forms continually resurfaced through Schopenhauer and even the analytics with Whitehead.

I'm sure the rest of the archived post in there has some worth but it's just not academic and contains serious bullshit. I'm pretty sure it's like an amalgam of other posts since parts look like they were written by me, but most of it I for sure wouldn't have written.

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I am new to Oxford World's Classics. Is this a good edition of Fitzgerald's translation? Is it annotated? I tried checking out on Amazon but the 'Look inside' button won't work for some reason.

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it's fine, but ideally i'd read someone who keeps the metre, though.
also, NEVER pick pope
Don't ever read Pope or Chapman, because the only retention of Homer is in the events detailed: there is no attempt to channel the Greek into English or to maintain a Homeric style or meter.

Read either Lattimore or Verity, but preferably the latter.
Keep in mind that OWC books have endnotes instead of footnotes.
I did think it was odd that a poem had no rhyme or meter but I feel that preserving descriptions accurate to the original text is more important than having it sound nicer when declaimed. In that case is Fagles or Fitzgerald superior? Ir is there another translator better than both in that regard?
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>endnotes instead of footnotes.

Are endnotes more helpful if you're using the book as a reference guide? Or is it to keep the pages neater?

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Post an image, get a book recommendation
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Dune, obviously
was expecting a sissy hypno gif
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read it

and please don't tell me to read the sequels

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Hi, if anyone is bored or lonely here on this fine earth we have a chat for talking about books and various things such as philosophy or music.

tinychat com / 4chanlit

come join
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This is now a painting thread.

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Who is the best writer of our generation and why is it John Green?
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He has interesting ideas but he misunderstands them and sucks at communicating. And he can't write for shit.
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Somebody should have fucking stopped him, even one of those 'friends' of his could have told Sarah that the creepy guy is asking her out
But it's too late now

He has multiplied
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haha that's actually pretty funny and clever
I still want an Effy Stonem more than anything.

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Real talk:

It's a miracle that an appreciation of the Greeks remains intact, even if only on the wretched hive of scum and villainy that is /lit/. What about the Romans, however?

It is not for nothing that Nietzsche said they taught us how to write, and that the Greeks were too foreign to our modern, Western sensibilities to be truly relatable. Specifically, I am referring to the likes of Cicero, for whom the 20th century was the first in which he (among others) did not underpin our moral, political and scientific thought.

What the fuck happened to the Romans?
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The former is a consequence of the latter, as is OP's problem: that is, everyone nowadays has a basic education (literacy/numeracy/etc), but not a meaningful one which would incorporate serious moral/philosophical/scientific thought (with rare exceptions).

Greek is like diamonds, Latin is like lead. The remarkable thing about men like Cicero and Vergil is how much they were able to do with such a clumsy, unpoetic language.
>What about the Romans, however?

The Etruscans but less original
"A language of bricks. Greek is marble. Latin is granite, English brick."
>Greek is marble

>it's the greeks used marble meme

Who ever said this was an uneducated dumbass

How do I shake off the feeling that reading is ultimately a horrible waste of it? What exactly do I get out of 10-15 hours spent reading a novel - a few memories about things that never existed and people who never lived? Few intellectual ideas that you can wear like a badge to feel smart? All written by some man whom I've never met, why is he even worthy of my time? I can't stop thinking about my existing in a vast 3-dimensional world, yet choosing to sit in one place and stare at thinly sliced pieces of woods with letters on it for hours on end, it's absurd.
Reading is a waste of bread? nigga you doing it incorrectly do you comprehend this
fuck and eat ass of fine girls and fuck and eat their pussies do not concern yourself of anything like books it is merely to keep the workers busy after their shifts life is simply pleasuring pussies and ass and true men of knowledge know this fact.
>What exactly do I get out of 10-15 hours spent reading a novel

Enjoyment. Pleasure. Jouissance.

If you don't enjoy reading and you'd prefer to spend your time doing other things, things you wouldn't deem as a waste of time, then don't read.

> I can't stop thinking about my existing in a vast 3-dimensional world, yet choosing to sit in one place and stare at thinly sliced pieces of woods with letters on it for hours on end, it's absurd.

Go out doors and explore then, but one could easily just reduce an act to such a mechanical description no matter what the task was.

Sitting and reading is no different from walking and observing. In one, you sit in 3D space. In the other, you move through it. In both you encounter new emotions and ideas.

>it's absurd

Posters like this always forget that they are wasting time again on 4chan yet again as they say this. Yeah it's absurd m8 give up reading forever I guess.
you're right and that's the point, stupid. nothing and no ones worthy of your time, and the real tragedy is that not even you yourself is worthy of your time.

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