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>>25582520trump supports don't like nazis either, not liking nazis doesn't make the site leftwing. also, if 4chan didn't want to attract nazis maybe they shouldn't have done pranks like raiding to make big swastikas in multiplayer games.
>>25582534It was, generally speaking, a hybrid of leftists/anarchists/libertarians, whatever. >well if you didn't wanna attract Nazis you shouldn't have done a racismNo. That shit was funny. Nazis aren't funny. They've never been.
>>25582545>racism is funny>except one particular kind, that shit is nooo joke!trying to thread the needle between funnny free spirited 4chan guy and uptight leftist not going to so well huh
>>25582554No. That shit is just genuinely not funny. It's not because it's offensive, so I'm not "uptight," you dick. They're just people who came in, didn't really understand, and starting doing it wrong.
>>25582531Alright. Blade or bullet?
what the shitfuck is this who is this literally who
>>25580659thats sounds intriguing desu, i'm going to read Autobiography of Red and find out for myself
>>25582011You'll enjoy it. Read Glass, Irony, and God next
>>25580973Sophocles was a general.Aeschylus was a hoplite and personally valued his military service even more than he valued his literary work.And most Greeks were required to fulfill basic military duties. So its very likely Euripedes also served in the military, and he lived through the Peloponnesian War.Doesn't exactly sound like the type of world a Canadian feminist would really understand.Now you owe me an apology but I have a big heart so don't worry about being wrong.
>>25582402Have you even read Euripides? Have you ever read any of the ancient accounts of his life, as someone who consorts with intellectuals like Socrates, or as a man so given to moodiness over losing tragedy contests that he left for Macedonia? And he's the Greek tragedian most amenable to modern sensibilities, get a clue.
>>25582402Euripides literally hated all of Athens and its military/ political elite. He was the Leftist Hasan Piker of his day. “Trojan women” in particular is a thinly veiled parable for the massacres of civilians in the recent war Athens had been in.
As the title says, discuss books that are one-of-a-kind.I'd say the Inman Diaries are one-of-a-kind because, although there have been thousands of published diaries, there's none that compare to inman's. He was an invalid hikineet, but he also invited thousands of strangers to his house so he could write little biographies of them, essentially. I've never before read a diary with so many random characters, lots of them blue-collar and ignored by history. In the realms of the unreal by Henry darger is another sui generis book, but it hasn't been published in full so I can't say anything about itDo you guys have any you know of?
>>25580376This is someone's son.
>>25566260Brazilian version of tristram shandy, it MOGS Borges imo
>>25579665Self help thenAnd what even separates the genre of self help from religion?
>>25582415The hell is that?And why do I imagine it as a. giant statue
As an aspiring writer... how the hell am I supposed to top this? How do I write a novel after this bombshell? Nothing I'll ever produce will even come close to this linguistically or conceptually.Is this how Pynch/Beckett felt reading Ulysses?
>>25580750who
>>25577999Highly disagree. Pynchon has captured the post-war zeitgeist better than anyone
>>25580835>no no no, i dont memorize patterns and systemsYes, you do. And you still avoid discussing literature, you just want to talk about yourself, still avoiding answering the question which started all of this.Do you know what dilettante means?>>25581139You are really getting to the crux of the issue here; writing is narcissistic for you, it is not about communicating the idea in the best and most concise way. You don't care about anyone other than average reader and don't care about readers who move past being average. Pynchon and DFW both cared about this and made certain their writing would be of interest to both the average reader and those who expect literature to not be just a pile of holes for those that look deeper.
>>25582179>Pynchon has captured the post-war zeitgeist better than anyonePynchon is obviously a much better writer than her, but Pynchon is unironically the Margaret Atwood of leftist men.
>>25582179He did in V., but not really in GR, he got caught up in trying to explain the world and people too much in GR. >>25582559Retarded? Not judging. Also not passing judgement on Atwood.
this shit won the nobel prizesweden is such a joke
>>25582380I'm still always shocked when someone writes something authentic and lucid on /lit/. Cheers.I also compared her to an alien writing in another thread.Hope you have a nice night anon.
>>25582449>He thinks sepia tone doesn't have red in it.
>>25582380>>25582494This is the third time I've seen Carson's writing described as alien in the threads currently on the catalog. She's actually that good? The Nobel Committee got this one right?
Where are my /Carson/ friends at????This is a Carson board. Misogynists who hate that shes a woman gtfo.
>>25581786had sex with a girl who "loved" this book and even stuck it in her pooper once while drunk
>Merricks argues that inanimate, large-scale (macrophysical) composite objects—such as rocks, chairs, statues, and stars—do not actually exist. Instead, there are only microscopic particles that are arranged rock-wise, chair-wise, or statue-wise.
>>25582487Oh, I think we're discussing slightly different things. Merrick's argument cannot offer a better solution on how to define phenomena, but I think (or at least I hope) that wasn't the goal to begin with. To me it's a reminder that those observations will always be limited in scope and that's about it. I thought you were trying to say that the Platonic ideal of X is immutable and that it would exist without consciousness.
>>25582521Sorry. "Read X" posts are tiresome. But I'd still like to know what you wanted me to have learnt.
>>25582538Alright and what practical application does thishave? How does knowing if a fucking chair is real or not affect my life? Why should I give a shit about this? Nigga this is like a question you ask when you're 8 before you move on to big boy stuff. Are philosophers just mentally children? Holy fuck.
>>25582509That you're trying to smuggle noumenal claims about a platonic existence in when you've only got phenomenal experience.
>>25582543Oh ok then. Yeah I'm not a Platonist about chairs lol. That's a little bit different of a question, yes.
This thread is dedicated to the secret, transgressive, and transcendent side of ancient greece.Eleusinian mysteries, orphic hymns, mystery cults, initiation, the afterlife, nocturnal divinities, ecstatic gods, eros, thanatos, sleep, dreams, fate, underworlds, afterworlds, ritual fumigations and so on.>Where to start?Here: H O M E R I C H Y M N S>Hymn to Demeter>Persephone’s abductionFoundational poetic source for the establishment of the Eleusinian Mysteries. > Hymn to DionysusO R P H I C H Y M N S87-hymn ritual collection from Dionysiac/Orphic religious milieu. Liturgical and incantatory rather than philosophical.Which is good. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25580043Plato was a “pagan”, he believed in the gods (just not the depiction of the gods Homer makes) and Platonism is “pagan” and includes believe in the gods. If people skip Homer during their study of Platonism, then they’re making a mistake.
A new translation of Nonnus came out this year. Anyone read it?
>>25582152Sweet.Thanks!
>>25582043Plato’s Gods in the Timaeus are creations of a Demiurge greater than themselves so really they aren’t what we commonly think of as “gods” like the Abarahmists do, but they’re more like spirits.
>>25582516>a Demiurge greater than themselvesyou mean Chaos?
Any books in retrospect that seem like sinkholes for limited life and time and were not worth your investment in them?
>city of godlong and mostly lame ok for some primary source details of antiquity but mostly a chore and not good
>>25578389anon...
>>25579951>The only somewhat redeeming part was when he just listed crime details over and over again like an artless compilation of newspaper clippingsInteresting taste...
Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress
>>25582048He went through an awful lot of trouble to get it published
This seems like an absurd notion if you read some of the book itself. Yah Don is goofy and does shit that is obviouly mental, But some of the deeper and more compelling parts of the early chapters are specificly about the virtues of chivalry. Don as Well as others like a passing Noble gives some extremely artistic love letters and musings to and about the nature of chivalry. There is a whole chapter dedicating to gushing about particularly good examples of chivalric romances and which ones should be thrown away as bad influences on the Don. There is a whole bit about Don defendnig the right of a well spoken lady to not marry because he saw the honest noble merits in her words when others would continue to chase her.And DESU these topics tend to be way more interesting and have more heart put into them than him lancing windmills and calling barmaids princesses, although they are more iconic. There is definitely critiques in there as well, but there is obviously a love for the genre too. It seems like a work that both pokes fun at the absurdity of as well as appreciates the genuineness of chivalry in turn.
>>25580373"satirizing" is a reductionistic label. Because it also genuinely extols many aspects of chivalry as well.Never even liked strict satires, because that focuses too strictly on flaws when most well founded examinations of topics dont just go after flaws, but can also give credit to things in turn.
>>25580486>The Chilvalric ideals are thoroughly run through with Christian ideals.I dont disagree, but it is not focused on wider christianity, but on the particularl institution of chivalry which is a particular confluence of martial secular traditons and religious traditions. A confluence that doesnt even strictly abide by catholic doctrine with its focus on forbidden loves, sensuality, and violence, in addition to its more christian characteristics of chastity, spirituality, and restraint. This is literally a major critique in the book that chivalry often breaks from church ways. Just before the Marcela episode, the noble comments this to don Quixote who then tries to reconcile this.
rápido rundown on this? does it play well on audio?
>>25579367Cervantes started out to write a novella sceptical of old romances and ended up creating the most beautiful apology for them that can be found in literature. He ended up writing a story about a knight, a real one. When you finish up with Quixote you know that he's the most perfect knight who ever rode out against a dragon. Under the scepticism, there was a man who loved the knights as much as Don Quixote himself. Above all, he was Spanish.
The character devours the chivalric romances to the point where the text devours him, altering his ontology to align with the story. Cervantes skillfully employs this madness to reflect upon the reader, inquiring about our vulnerability to the very fictions we live within. Quixote’s meaning is necessarily metatextual. It is a book about books and about reading and writing books, forewarning us of the intoxicating, even lethal, power of literature to transform the world, while at the same time demonstrating that those very same fictions are the only things that make the world bearable.
Is there literature for sigmas?
I always thought sigmas were a joke. Like it was a term coined to make fun of chuds on the internet. But no. Come to find out people earnestly think this shit about themselves. Lol
>>25580814That's the frenchest face I've ever seen
Sigmaballs
>>25580814El puto de las Américas
>>25581267He i' Mehican Spainyard So Latium(Do not say Latinx)
What is gender exactly?I know and can understand the definition of gender as it has to do with linguistics, which is to say it's a property of nouns and adjectives and so on, but there is a secondary (maybe primary?) definition and I can't quite grasp it. Below are some examples>A polite way to refer to sexThis one makes the most sense to me. In this way, the genders would exclusively be male and female. You can make sure that the term is used to refer to this when reading biology books and noting that scientists refer to the gender of fish, for instance. Certainly fish do not have any societal norms by which to separate sexes.>The genus of the terms "masculine" and "feminine"This is again tied to linguistics, and I guess it conveys some sort of information related to culture and society as well. I think the problem with this definition as it pertains to feminists or otherwise trans-inclusive minded people is that there are feminine men and masculine women who identify as men and women respectively (which is to say cis). In other words, you can have masculine men and feminine men and they all belong to the same gender.>A descriptor for maturity, species and sexPeople often define "woman" as "adult human female" and "man" as "adult human male", then attempt to assert only two genders. Of course, if this is the case, "juvenile human female" (girl) becomes another gender, as does "adult chicken male" (rooster) which leaves us with near-infinite genders.>A term for social sexThis I think is maybe the most worthwhile of the definitions, but it's circular and ultimately meaningless, when you consider that that the social norms associated with a gender are ultimately based on sex, and that said norms vary so much across cultures that there is no actual social sex to speak of. Meaning, a woman in one culture is a man in another.Your thoughts?
>>25579077>>rest of your post>ah, you're not a serious person>Oh no I was serious. You need to read more D&G. The collapse of categories is always libidinal.
>>25567805Why is carrying groceries considered brave by a Frenchman?
>>25582176>Why is carrying groceries considered brave by a Frenchman?As one *advances* home rather than retreating from the store.
>>25567738A vague concoction of biological and cultural behaviors between the two sexes. There’s no reason you couldn’t carve out lots of genders, besides that it gets very muddy and is almost inseparable from sex.
>>25567738a complex social phenomenon that requires serious scientific study in order to grasp it's true essence.
were Achilles and Patroclus butt-buddies?
pretty sure they both had wives?
>>25582354Yeah they also had prizes too. I. Ancient Greece you had your wives, you could take prizes as concubines, then you had your boy apprentice you fucked too.Achilles is Patroclus's boy apprentice fuck toy.
>>25582478I'd fuck his heel.
>>25582044>Jewish programming>Including the programming that you think American women prefer circumcised.>>25582173>Stop having sex as often>Sexless boy-toads endlessly cite this as some deadly shortcoming, FOREVER.Amazing how mind-broke gooner-zoomers are.
>>25582517Lesbian bed death is the ideal sexual situation for a certain subset of people, I'm sure, but I'm not one of them.
I thought it was pretty boring for the most part. There were a few more interesting parts, where Aristotle brought in metaphysics and talked about the soul, but the very detailed discussion on the virtues was really boring.I'm pretty much only interested in Aristotle for his Metaphysics, but I thought that I might as well read the Nicomachean Ethics too.
>>25582388...so you read a real book of science, didn't understand how the science was being done, and prefer popsci books? Unsurprising and frankly embarrassing.
>>25582388This just made me sad thinking how much better the people were in those days.Imagine an Aristotle or Alexander the Great living in modern times, the world would be saved.
>>25581372Bentham and Mill synthesized ethical hedonism with liberalism
>>25581445Aristotle was a pederest bruh no one cares about your aversion to gay shit.
>>25582440>didn't understand how the science was being doneI'm saying pop sci books about evolution like Life Ascending are FAR more scentifically rigorous than anything Darwin has ever produced the standard for scientific writing in Darwin's time was abysmal the science is not difficult to understand, and insulting anonymous posters on 4chan does not make you look more intelligent
Why do certain older books like Oliver Twist for example, have a little description about what happens in the chapter after the chapter number?
>>25581667If you are doing a novel study, it helps to be able to flip back through the chapters to find specific events and go over them/draw quotes.
>>25581667>This thread, in which>various anons argue>the multitude of ways>in which the OP proves>to be a faggot
