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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
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Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

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What's the best english edition of Der Einzige und sein Eigentum?
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There are literally only two translations, Byington's and Landstreicher's. The primary difference is that only one of those call them spooks. dedspite that Landstreicher's is better desu
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>>9920778
Many things. The primary difference is that one (Landstreicher) is translated accurately, with proper nuance. While the other doesn't really capture the depth or intention very well and in some parts pretty much omits or mistranslates some important things. The title itself is an inaccurate translation.

Both will give you the main points. However, Byington's will make the reader take Stirner too literally and too simply. Landstreicher's is superior just on the words chosen for the key concepts alone.
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>>9920774

The publisher of this version also puts out a load of fascist and white nationalist bullshit though, if you are really interested in Anarchism you'd have a hard time justifying giving them your money.
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>>9920961
the ego and it's own is a way better title though
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>>9921059
>fascist and white nationalist bullshit
Thanks for the warning, Rabbi Noseberg. I'll be sure to check it out.

What does /lit/ do for a living?
I'm assuming none of you actually make your living from writing. I for one work at a medical bookstore and sell stethoscopes, lab coats, diet pepsi, and Cheez-its to doctors, nurses, and students.

Also, what makes a job /lit/? Is it the type of work involved or the ability to do /lit/ activities such as writing or reading at work?
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>>9921049
hey friend


I'm a doctor in Melbourne. It's okay, I'm a bit bored.
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>>9921035
Wow you guys make a living by going to school?
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>>9921121
No, I said I'm old money. Meaning I don't 'make a living'. Fucking bourgeoisie.
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>>9916063
I leech off my parents and basically read and write most of the day. I'm 28. I'm not proud of myself.
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Full-time trader.

I've tried many jobs, but I only found my career after 12 years of experimenting. The key is to become good - i.e., expert level or with the goal of attaining expert level - in two areas and to then mix them. By combining two fields, you automatically become specialized and in the top 1% of the field (assuming it's not too large, such as the overlap of "physics" and "teaching" would be).

Even better is to gain skills in two areas and then apply them to a third field. I have degrees in psychology and statistics but apply them to trading around corporate earnings releases. I'm well-known in my field for applying these two rarely seen skills where everyone else is competing to win with standard, mainstream methods; the high barrier of entry constructed by this method keeps me free of competition.

What was your goal for your year?
What is your current tally?
How does it compare to other years?

>Bonus: Age, location

Goal: 20
Current: 15
Actually not too happy with my progress so far.
Age 21, current location Ibiza.
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>>9920043
Oh I had no idea, I'll change that. :^)
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>>9914173
How was St Faustina's diary?
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17/52

I'm close to finishing two more, but I've only finished 10 books since February so I have little hope of making it

This is my first full year of giving up the habit of physically writing down the books I read and giving in to technology
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>>9921003
Hit and miss. It's the whole thing and it severely needed editing. It's amazing she wrote what she did being borderline illiterate, but it's clear she wasn't a professional writer or someone who devoted his life to writing. It's crude, but beautiful. Find an abridged version if possible.
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>>9919633
Personally I find all of his stuff accessible, he doesn't carry a baggage of language like a neo-scholastic would and is a talented writer. It has a nice flow to it and is for the most part very good, even if his V2 era writings have some very questionable parts.
I'd go with the encyclicals (Spe Salvi and Deus Caritas Est) and Jesus of Nazareth trilogy.

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"He who cannot draw on three thousand years of history is living hand to mouth."
-Goethe

How fares thee, my traditionalist brothers? Fighting the good fight against degeneracy? Any good books you'd recommend?

We should put together a chart. Best of Guenon and Evola and Schuon and Coomaraswami and Uzdavinys and Huxley.

Pic related. The Morning Star. Light bringer.
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>tradition
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>>9920739
I have a ton of books from thinkers in the Traditionalist School. Some are written on a religion in particular, others deal with specifics like art in religion, symbolism, etc.
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I would really love some commie fiction that upholds traditional values, most of the conservatives I know are pro-market, which seems like a contradiction to me
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Back to your hole, proxy Satanist.
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>>9921133
you'd probably like the writing of adorno then. mathew arnold as well.

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Can we have a discussion about Idealism? Preferably an explanation, as I'm not entirely sure what it's about.
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>>9920680
Matter ain't real, mind is the deal
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>>9920682
If you want the skinny on a philosophical concept just read the Standford entry on it tbqh
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>>9920702
Nonsense. I browse this board to read YOUR (;)) thoughts on philosophy and literature, not some "educated" university scholar.
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>>9920677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SUWK_pWrbw
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it's basically the idea that are no entities independent of those being perceived, and what those objects are made of is the perceptions themselves

so take a tree. what is it made of? what is it?

an idealist would say, you strip away how the tree looks to you, how it feels, how it smells, how it sounds, ad you strip away the concept of the 'tree' you have in your mind, then what are you left with? what remains? the idealist says nothing remains, there is no more to the tree than what you perceive of it, what's your perceptions is gone, there is no tree.

this is a description of subjective idealism btw. there's various other forms involving gods, etc

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>The underlying premises that God is absolutely perfect, omnipresent, omnipotent etc must be true. God has to be perfect for God to be God.
>People who pray for God to make their situation better, help poor people, those starving, to end conflicts, improve health etc implies that God is not perfect because he has allowed such things to occur in the first place.
>The only things God has created are those that are perfect. I'm not fully research in this area, but from my knowledge they are things such as; the laws of the universe, freedom of will, our consciousness or the life that powers our consciousness, etc. Such things you can't make more perfect.
>Asking for for help from God therefore is hypocritical and contradictory; both in the sense that it is implied he is not perfect and that to grant your prayers at the expense of others would be preferential treatment - which is not an attribute of a perfect God.
>Also: as an additional point. Jesus expressly condemned man to call other men their master; to engage in meaningless incantations and rituals; worship in churches and services, but rather in spirit and in private; and violence, imprisonment, judgement etc.

This isn't to do with proving that God exists or doesn't exist. The way God is conceptualised through religion is wrong. This is why JBP's often laughed at interpretation of the Bible is the best way to analyse the texts.
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>>9921123
Facts don't exist? Certainly not in your world.
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>>9921130
You need to go back
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>>9921131
Pray for it. That usually solves everything.
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>>9921131
Where would I go back to?
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>>9921111
God saw fit to give you quads bro!

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Books that would never be made into movies. Or could never get published today.
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Filthy dumb, vermin scum.
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Why couldn't it get published today? I've read most of them, but it was years ago and mostly as a young adult.

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>>9920541
Top row: James Joyce, Marcel Proust, Chekhov
Middle row: Homer, Dante, Shakespeare
Bottom row: Dostoevsky, Marcus Aurelius, Lao Tzu
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Tell me the books I need to read to start getting into occultism and stuff.
I wanna be the next grand mage.
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>>9920998
A-are you a sexy trap?
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>>9921005
Not as much as I wanted but my gf likes so I dont realy care
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Nobody else will tell you about Austin Osman Spare - but he was an incredible english artist and occultist. Look up his stuff in the hermetic library.

from "The Focus of Life"
>Aphorism III
>"The Chaos of the Normal"
>I would counsel closed ears, for those who contain the great Ideas, have no opinions. Who doth know what his own subconsciousness contains? Still less his own Arcana. They are the great who allow its operation by silence. Of two things we have choice: degeneration or immobility. Out of the past cometh this new thing. Becoming heaven's slaves - is some of pleasure begged again? Man strives for increase, - the monstrous world of vague and mad Ideas is incarnating. Come back, your goal is jail! Turn about and you arrive ….. This maddest of worlds. Daily is pleasure limited by the necessity of cheapened facilities. Onwards and ever more weary - till sleep - then backwards. There is nothing conceivable that does not exist, because the vision is feeble. In keeping the right distance from Things, is Safety. But how much should we gain? Experience is ignorance. The necessity of reoccurrence. One thing is certain: we are subject to our own moral laws, whether we are or are not aware of them. The desire determines, and no later belief shall alter it one whit. The highest creations are those that harmonize the most incongruous things. Art is the truth we have realized of our belief. The great human factor in Life is deceit: Always the greater deceiver-self? The wrath is revealed against all that hold the truth in righteousness. Still are those shallownesses, who could know they hide a universe? And tell me, what is it the obvious does not contain? Know much of life! Should death give you its secret? Self suggestion - to will, this is the great teacher: not dogma.
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>>9921030
You are so kind anon. I gonna look for it.
Although other anon said for me to S T A R T W I T H T H E S U M M E R I A N S I dont realy follow these "start with" things. I usualy read it things without any order and I think so far is the best way to read.
I dont recall my first philosophy book, but I dont think it was the greeks.
But I will check it, I was already curious to check hermeticism, you just gave me another reason to put my lazy ass to work

>tfw instead of reading books 4 college you are reading occult shit
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>>9921064
his general advice is good
you basically want to read religious texts. doing that will give you a good mental grounding in the kind of language used in occult texts. It will also put you in a proper headspace and allow you to understand a lot of the esoteric references that occult authors constantly make.
It's kind of a douche move to just tell someone to read the bible, so i'll recommend the Book of Job specifically as a beautifully written and extremely useful text.
The upanishads and the rig veda are both great works of philosophy that will help you access the occult mindset. Probably though before you dive headlong into massive tomes of hindu philosophy you should read the Bhagavad Gita as an introduction.
From the far east the Dao de Jing and Zhuangzi are indispensable. They are best read one after the other in the order i mentioned them.

However, above all, the absolute most important thing if you want to really get into this stuff is to practice it in real life. After you've read the books and have all the theoretical grounding in your head you need to put it into action by way of meditation or yoga or ritual magic.

for meditation one of the best books I've read is Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha
https://www.dharmaoverground.org/dharma-wiki/-/wiki/Main/MCTB

The Experience of No-Self: A Contemplative Journey by Bernadette Roberts is a fascinating little account of a christian contemplative's experience with meditation

The Bhagavad Gita will go over yoga in some depth, but I also really enjoy Aleister Crowley's "Eight Lectures on Yoga" and personally believe it to be his greatest literary achievement.

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Post reading list infographics specific to the boards similar to pic related Looking for /k/ /pol/ /lit/ /his/ /fit/ and /out/. Thanks anons
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Bump because I'm curious to see what other boards read.
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ITT

List masculine writers with masculine prose and themes

None of this liberal whiny bs
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>>9920233
jack "i fuck men like they're women" donovan
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>>9920276
kek
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bump pussies
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hemingway obviously
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>>9920052
>no one mentions Jack London.

Get it together.

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Are normies right to fear the Nietz?
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>>9920475
Most people don't know or don't care about this, and to properly explain what Nietzsche is about you'd need a thourough understanding and the ability to keep someone interested in your philosophical soliloquy on Nietzsche and what he really thought.
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>>9920297
If I were to get into reading Nietzsche. Where would I start, and what order of books would I read. I've heard a lot of talk about him, and want to actually see for myself what he wrote.
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Steven Pinker is a dunce Enlightenment memes are something to smash. The notion that one can read Nietzsche 'properly' is the actual bad reading of Nietzsche, as if his intent wasn't for people to force their Will. No, pacifying liberal platitudes and the status quo is not an expression of the Will, it is a suppression of it. Perhaps the 'alt-right' began as something genuinely transgressive, but it has fallen into the same nonsense as the liberals. Not one of them is a sincere fascist. On the other hand, there are plenty of stupid teenagers (which Pinker essentially is, despite being grey, like all humanists) that claim him to fit their mould. He did not. Nietzsche despised reason, and science beyond purely practical means, and humanism, and the humanist's notion of progress. Yet he also despised slavish traditionalism, identitarian nationalism, vulgar crowds (which both sides are incredibly guilty of), and socially-approved contrarianism (yes, the contarianism of the 'alt-right' is a very social one, their beliefs to some degree are very popular and if not, are popular within a group -- a true contrarian is an enemy of all and the greatest of iconoclasts.)
But, what. Post-modernists claim him as their own; national socialists and socialists in general claim them as their own. Despite him hating modernism, nationalism, and socialism! No Lover of Man may rightfully claim him. Humanity is something to despise, to overcome, to smash, not celebrate.
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>>9921016
If u really want to get N. start chronological
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>>9921016
read in this order; read either kaufmann or hollingdale translations

The Birth of Tragedy
Untimely Meditations
Human, All Too Human
Daybreak
The Gay Science
Thus Spake Zarathustra
Beyond Good and Evil
The Genealogy of Morality
The Case of Wagner
The Twilight of the Idols
The Antichrist
Ecce Homo

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Last thread was good, lads.

ITT: Your personal 10/10s. It might not be perfect in everyone's eyes, and that's fine, because it's perfect for you. Suggestions and recommendations based on people's personal 10/10s is cool too.

Here's mine.
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For me Nana was pretty haunting.
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>>9919837
This is mine too, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy, but also understood.
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>>9919669
Not that anon but agreed. Saw the film with my mother and she was crying for ages afterwards. Very emotional story.
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>>9919781
Steinbeck was truly amazing. All his books hit hard home for me and I'm not even American. Really he does know how to milk one's own empathy. Love the guy.
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>>9919837
Need to read this sometime. Read passages and paragraphs of it in the store before buying it and it just seemed really fun and playful. I'm sure I'd find it bewildering and probably get lost in it but it seems like a fun ride.

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Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet.What do you think about these works?.
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Dude the Tempest lol
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>with an air of nostalgic longing for a time when we were able to feel such emotion with that passion we cannot rouse anymore, no matter how silly it really was.

Is this what Holden was trying to stop?
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>>9919167
Speak for yourself, passionlet.
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>>9918724
Hamlet is legitimately brilliant, a solid 10/10. Genuinely worth reading, even if you know the basic outline. Some of the put-downs are stellar. Wish I could see it performed in theatre, yet to see the Branagh film.

Romeo & Juliet is good, but probably only a 8/10. If it was only recently written/performed, I would give it a 10/10: it's tragic, humorous, charming, etc. Romeo & Juliet are stupid kids but they should've learned that as they grew up rather than feeling the need to end it all like they did. However, as this guy said: >>9918738 Romeo & Juliet's influence is everywhere. Plus, you most likely covered it somewhat in school. Everyone knows the story and although that's very impressive and probably makes it the most important romantic story of all time, it also feels a bit too familiar when everyone else has been imitating it for centuries after. Still good though.
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>>9919175
Caliban getting drunk with the lads is one of my favourite shakespeare moments



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