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This is actually real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJ5SKeL7g48
>>7769063Not to mention they say Christian (as in Gray) in the excerpt
Oh god I didn't realise it was this bad
>>7771886M8 it's just pulp for housewives what could you have expected?
>>7769146
/LIT/ GOOD WRITING CRITIQUE THREADRULES:1. Critique someone else's writing before you post yours2. Only post something that you have proofread and reasonably reflects your writing abilityIf you want relevant feedback, it's generally a good idea to post some questions or areas you'd like the focus to be on.Let's see how long we can make this a good critique thread before it devolves into shitty navel-gazers just splurging their free/automatic writing shit for validation
>>7771897“You planning on taking off those glasses any time soon, or anything else for that matter?”“What? Oh yeah. Sorry hun, I’ve just got a bit of the spins.” An insufferable ditzy look flashed across her face as she gleefully asserted her drunkenness with peppy candor. She slowly removed her spectacles, and I unfortunately experienced another quick flash of eye to eye exposure. And for that brief moment I saw a glimpse of something terrifying. I saw just a shimmer of sadness. I saw this hopeless fucking look, this pathetic fucking look that just didn’t sit well with me. It was as if I could see right through her, right down to her black heart. She just seemed so exposed. So goddamn exposed. And for a second I almost felt bad for her. Almost. Daisy snapped back out of her stupor, and resumed her noble quest for clumsy coitus. She began fumbling with her shirt, flopping around in every direction trying to remove the damn thing. It was painfully apparent that I was being looked on to offer some assistance, but at my current level of agitation there was honestly a better chance of me bending over, spreading my ass cheeks and allowing the slut to pummel my rectum with her clenched fist. Sorry “hun.” After quite a struggle, Daisy eventually managed to shed each sweaty layer of clothing, save for her bra and panties. I stood there motionless, expecting her too continue the self exposure. But she just looked up at me. “Well?” she said.“Well what?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7771898I think the swearing could be toned way down, the angst shows. It's a good dialogue, I like the awkwardness, and somehow, I like the whole terribly sad and banal feel about it all too. Her voice cracking is very powerful and I can appreciate that, but at the same time the whole scene feels really... anger driven, Daisy somehow turns out to be kind of endearing in her own way that kind of evokes pity in me.I'm not sure if my criticism is any valid though.
>>7771930I appreciate the comments. I think your right that the swearing should be toned down a bit. The whole scene feeling anger driven is kind of the point though. The whole story is supposed to read like a drunken cocaine binge. Angry and horny. Im trying to make it as raw as possible
>>7771954Marginally reminiscent of Dean Moriarty then, but I don't know, raw, angry and horny, it all feels angsty in the way a bored, misled teenager can be. Somehow, I can't like your character, maybe this is the other point I'm not getting. In general, it almost feels vulgar, but I'm not sure this is valid and more of an opinion. Good luck though.Here's something I'm trying to start and hopefully finish.A student found a small café on the side of the road. It appeared tiny and out of place in the long spiraling buildings of the downtown commercial complex. A somewhat homely, yet very chic air emanated from its surface, from its frame, to its windows, to its doorknob. He walked in and a chime greeted him. The crisp winter air perverted the scene and the snow invited itself to embrace the welcoming warmth. His cheeks felt numb under the jarring heat, and he was left momentarily blinded by the fog on his lenses. He took his glasses off and he searched for a place to sit. One table looked no less attractive than all the others. He seated himself off to the side of the wall. His vision left slightly-less-obscured-than-before by the smears his cloth left. He kept it in his wallet, sooty and undusted from the tumultuous life your change and my change experiences. The tables and chairs were a faded auburn and a small splattering of coffee left unattended on the edge. The whole restaurant had a dim atmosphere, lit only by perched lamps at select positions in the shape of a rectangle. It was dim enough to make you lose all sense of time, coupled with the generous heating, one could pleasantly nap. The wall had been decorated with wooden planks dressed on the wall, unvarnished and pale with a frieze topping it off. The frieze had been quaintly painted, a motive of white fleurs-de-lis on a dirty beige background, their vines twisting, and blossoming, twisting, and blossoming. Across the wall, above the frieze were a few paintings scattered about,
made some major re-writes to one of the characters. Now I'm at the end of part 1 and I don't know which character to introduce in part 2:>angry manlet with the ability to change flavors>homeless girl raised by cats>nerdy girl researching alleys, parks and subways with unnatural geometries>>7771898okay, first off, i'm pretty sure the name Daisy has been illegal since the 1970's, same for pretty much every english female name based on a flower except Rose. Second I can't tell if I'm reading a depressing slum-romp or the beginnings of a horror story featuring a girl who got bit by a vampire back when white people still wore hair spray>>7771271okay, wow, the sci-fi just came out of fucking nowhere. That's not a bad thing, but the dialogue needs work, or rather the void surrounding the dialogue does. Block dialog with no time dedicated to the scenery or narration gives the whole piece a sense of action that doesn't belong there.It's a somber discussion, whitespace, ambiance and pacing matter here
Tips? Something philosophical in nature please.I'm tired of reading flat female characters in male authored books, or bad books by women about trivial matters.I want to feel truly connected with an author/character, I've only ever done that in Simone de Beauvoir's books in the past. I want to be really confronted with what being a woman feels like.
Wharton and Cather are good choices.
read up on Clarice Lispector.
Thank you everyone!
>>7771686Hildegard von BingenKunderaMarquezWoolfSt. Theresa of Avila
Try Iris Murdoch.
Mists EditionRecommendations:>Fantasyhttp://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a8/1307836551252.jpg (embed)(For the Computer illiterate) http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL>Sci-Fihttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/4chanlit/images/a/a6/Scifilit.jpg (embed)(For the Computer illiterate) http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmchttp://imgur.com/r55ODlLhttp://imgur.com/A96mTQX>What are you reading right now?>What is your favorite stand alone fantasy novel?>What is your favorite work, either genre, of the last 10 years?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>7771861>It's a high-octane novel.Leave /lit/ whenever it's convenient
>>7769896Do it then wait for Hollywood to buy it from you so you can spend it on what's important to a writer: hookers and lsd.
>>7771757#1 sounds ridiculous on the face of it, but it's the most original of the three, so maybe that's best? Depends what you do with him, of course, sounds like he'd be suited to comic hijinks where he makes the King's soup taste like shit or something.#2 isn't bad, but there's quite a few "human child raised by animals" stories out there so you'd need a really interesting plot to put her in. #3 isn't a character at all, really. Just female-ness and nerdiness aren't enough. But on the bright side, four-dimensional landmarks are a good idea (and you can even stretch it to five).
>>7770485>>7771619Alice in Wonderland, you fools.
>>7772006Alice isn't ominous and I assumed everyone's already read it at some point. I'm a pleb and I read it
I want to read the bible as a work of literature, I was hoping you guys could help me out.What is the best written English version of the bible?What are the most beautiful or compelling books of the bible?
ESV. King James is the most quoted but its overrated
>>7771996Oh, but this is mostly an aesthetic judgement. Just go to bible.com and see which one you personally like best. I'm more prone to the updated NASB but I'm of a minority on that
>>7771990Job, Proverbs, and Ecclesiastes are the best.
Just pick any literal translation Bible that has all the books
John, Romans, Revelations.
http://www.cosmoetica.com/B1349-JH1.htmWhat do you think? Were they right about DFW? I don't think I've read anyone this brutal about DFW besides Bloom.>What’s strangest about Wallace’s belovedness is how at-odds it is with who he actually was, personally. While his loved ones had many nice things to say about him, his biography makes him out to be a petty, jealous, emotionally needy, and insecure man who spent most of his life in a deeply depressive state, without any real direction. Artistically, he lacked real vision, starting out as a generic Postmodernist, then getting the “inspiration” to mix in the preachiness of 19th Century Russian novelists, then finally coming to strange conclusion that there was some sort of blissful nirvana to be discovered in boredom ... He was a compulsive liar and bullshitter – and not in the knowing, performative way that artists like Werner Herzog and Andy Warhol pioneered. He was chronically envious of others’ artistic achievements (even bad ones, like those of Dave Eggers and Don DeLillo), going so far as to verbally intimidate and harass students whose work received praise from their classmates, under the auspice of “keeping egos in check”. Even his close friend, Jonathan Franzen, admitted that Wallace was basically a narcissistic, anhedonic jerk, and that his suicide may have been at least partially an underhanded form of careerism, a way to galvanize him and his work in the hearts and minds of his fanbase. He was the ultimate poseur, a man obsessed with using art as a way to feed his ego and satiate his depressive neediness, though he never escaped feeling (and reality) that he was a fraud, for such demons taunted him all the way to his death. Yet despite the reality of his behavior and pathology, his verbosity, look, and education allowed him to be marketed as some sort of intellectual savior, a man whose big brain and broad education must have held some key to understanding the complexities of the world.
>>7771980*best foreshadows. Gah, time to nap.
>>7771905Dfw BTFO
>>7771936>He wrote well though.Ehhhhh
>>7771971It was an entry into the contest to design the 20th anniversary edition--it lost to the crayon tv with an eye in the middle.
>>7771987From the artist, Josh Sand's words:>“I made this cover within hours of first hearing about the Infinite Jest redesign contest. I made more covers afterwards (and filled out more than a few pages in my sketchpad), but when the submission deadline drew near, I was still the most attached to my first try—none of my other attempts came out looking as kinetic and painterly as this one did. I purposely made the colors look like they came from an old sports or Olympics poster, and I couldn’t resist putting in a nod to the footnotes (although Infinite Jest had numbered footnotes, not asterisks…I know). Originally the tennis players were playing on top of a nondescript blue blob, but when it incidentally started looking like the outline of America, I decided to make it more explicit.>Regardless of which cover the publishers ended up choosing, I’m happy they decided to hold this whole thing. It’s been great seeing how creative the whole David Foster Wallace community is and seeing all the art inspired by his books.”Compare to an interview of the publisher's CEO. (BUT NOT THE WINNING ARTIST (Joe Walsh)):>TM: Why did Little, Brown decide to go with a fan-designed cover and what would David have made of that decision?>MP: The internet has made it possible to see the massive amount of creative response readers have to Infinite Jest. I’d seen a lot of art connected to the book online, and it seemed that allowing readers who have loved it to submit cover designs for the anniversary edition was a way of honoring and highlighting all that creativity.>I never presume to comment on what David would have made of this or any other aspect of our work. The David Foster Wallace Literary Trust wholeheartedly supported the idea of inviting fans to submit cover art.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
https://www.reddit.com/r/literature/comments/48tsof/just_threw_pynchons_v_against_the_wall/
>>7771907Because I found it humorous, and 'Tha Pinch' is a meme author who is highly discussed, so offering a different light of discussion on him might be interesting to some. I don't reply to anyone on reddit, it's really not worth it. The amount of times I've seen someone post a good opinion which goes against the flow, then refresh five minutes to find it has been down-voted or deleted along with the account... that place is deadly to contrarian opinion.4chan on the other hand.... well.
Quality thread OP
>>7771965thanks man
>>7771973oi cunt i can speak for myself
>>7772003but you're me? i don't get it...
Which country has the worst literature, and why do you live there?
>>7764881This
>>7751414Im from uruguay and we have it far worse. Onetti and non-poetry, after exile benedetti are the only sorta good ones. Everything else, from quiroga (poor man's poe) and galeano (the kinda writer commie moms like) are shit.Not only that, we are yet to produce one single exeptional work of art since blanes painted. Uruguay its a country were soccer has done more for national identity than any artist. That being said, i love the place.
>>7755412Soy de uruguay, estan tan mal como parece o es cosa de los medios? Mirando los noticieros que pasan en el cable acá (tn y america) se diría que macri se va en helicóptero.
>>7771949Nah. Lo que pasa es que el gobietno anterior metio un monton de gente al estado antes de irse y ahora a esos soretes hay que echarlos, obviamente, pero no se puede hacer eso sin que salgan todos a llorar por le ajuste.
>>7754338Fucking this. As a Canadian I am ashamed of our literature. When Atwood is considered our greatest author, there is a fucking problem
which feminist books are actually worth reading?
>>7771776That's a silly question, of the course the answer is that No feminist book is worth reading.
>>7771964>is being exposed to his idea supposed to magically bring about personal growth?No, why would you think that?>I am not saying any of the things you just mentioned.Okay then try restating the question, or what you mean by free will, because I guess I didn't understand it.
>>7771770none
>>7771975well it seems like in the absence of free will we have genetics, nurture and contingency being the only factors at play in personal growth. If Nietzsche doesn't believe in free will then he ought to recognize the futility in encouraging people to conform to models of behavior which are what makes some particular element of humanity exceptional in the first place. He ought to recognize that some people are simply born to fail and his system of thought can do absolutely nothing for them.
>>7771991>He ought to recognize that some people are simply born to fail and his system of thought can do absolutely nothing for themHe does, he states a few times that not everyone is capable of 'leaving the herd' as he puts it, it's why he didn't ascribe to anarchy despite his disdain for society. His ideas were never meant to be for everyone, only those he saw as strong.
Why do people criticise Elliot Rodger's writing?
>>7771706You realize that saying the manifesto has value isn't tantamount to saying he was a good writer, right? Anybody with an interesting life can write an interesting autobiography and it would be good literature, whether or not any of it is true is irrelevant to the merit of the piece, only to the potential capability of the writer.
>>7771652Not really. It'd be worthless as fiction. It only has the effect it does because it was real.
>>7771889>i've never read dostoevski
>>7770439>>7770433I think its half retarded hypervigilant narcissist aspies from /r9k/ and half troll memers
>>7771889desu if it had been fiction I'd probably have read it more closely
DUDE, CATHOLICISM IN CHINA LMAO.
>>7771737>china
Such a stunning novel
That's a really cool cover
>>7771755>>7771875>>7771894>>7771943fucking weebs.
Is The Prince satire?
>>7771585It may have been the greatest shitpost in history.
>>7771572In what way? Machiavelli acknowledges that Cesare Borgia suffered a violent and humiliating death.
>>7771590So?See his discourses on Livy. M. Was a republican and borgia's antics were ultimately an attempt to exert authoritarian control over the city states.
>>7771597while M was a staunch republican, he also had a huge hard on for old rome and pined for a united italy, which probably also influenced his thought a bit
>>7771236>Is The Prince satire?No. What he says isn't even offensive, it's just rational self interest and preservation.
I'm thinking about buying:The Canterbury TalesThe Faerie QueeneThe DecameronOne Thousand and One NightsWhich editions and (where applicable) translations do you guys have or prefer?What are some other great, lesser known (i.e. not Homer, Virgil, Milton, or Dante) books, epic poems, and story collections?
>>7766966Sir Gawain and the Green KnightBeowulf
The poetic edda.
>>7766966You would probably like Heptameron
>>7769221Thanks!>>7769400And thanks to you too! I've never heard of this translation before.
>>7769269I really thought this was not good.At first it was ok but it's just one Greek God reference after another without any charm or "oh wow that's an interesting similarity".
The Conversation--Kurosawa and Garcia Marquezhttp://articles.latimes.com/1991-06-23/entertainment/ca-2154_1_akira-kurosawa/tv/ 1/lit/ 0
>that time Cormac McCarthy told James Franco to stuff it/tv/ 1/lit/ 1
>>7771781it expresses itself properly tho so good jobtransmute this towards your art instead of 4chan posting and you might redeem yourself
>>7769966I read Kundera instead of Marquez for some reason and was going to say how much better Kurosawa is compared to Kund.
García Marquez was right but the way he went about it was really dickish.
>>777171610/10.