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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

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>>11201439
their computers can't run everquest or wow so they need to make the stuff up in their head.
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>>11202026
>he played everquest or wow instead of writing a series of books
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>>11202025
There is no Wolfe art, you don't have time to draw when you have to reread BotNS for the 21st time and notice that one detail you missed the first 20 reads and puts a character in a completely different light.
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>>11202025
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>>11199171
How big is the Whorl supposed to be exactly? Was it ever fully described?

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Two questions
>is it worth reading anything beyond the first 50 pages of Swann's Way
>what the hell is wrong with this guy
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>>11201367
He does. But one has to reach book 7, where he also ties up loose ends.
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>>11201212
I suggest you to read "À l'ombre des jeunes filles en fleur", it is my favorite book, but I've got no clue if the english translation is any good.
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The first part of Swann's Way is actually the worst of it, IMHO. Yeah, it features the famous madeleine scene, but it's otherwise just the narrator/M./Marcel just recounting random tidbits from his very early life and setting up shit for future books.

The second big part of Swann's Way is god-tier, though: Swann in Love. You gotta read it. It's basically an entirely different book because it (semi-spoiler) is about the lives of some of the adult characters, mostly the Swanns', before both the narrator and Gilberte were born. It's there that you can really feel the "adult" that the narrator is -- you get a better sense of his sometimes poignant, sometimes romantic, sometimes cynical, and often funny views on love, without him trying to get into the mind of his younger self.
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>>11202641
I actually didn't like the romance parts as much as like Proust describing leaves stuck spinning in a river and that stuff. What are the general topics for the other books?
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>>11201212
For the original translation, no not really. The Overture was the best of the first book.

Im not sure about the new translations

Hobestly,

There was this one chapter on weed binging that was entertaining. Also, the very start with the taxis being taken to libraries - that was dope. Taxis are great.

But then... tran cop? Whos also a canadin? or whatever?

The whole school shtick?

I lost my patience. Dont get me wrong. I do like and appreciate tough pieces. And I kept on reading for long enough for me to be ablr to conclusively state this book amounts to little more than a pile of verbal diarrhea.

Jesus fuckIng christ. You neets like to diss The King for being a pleb, but at least you can comprehend what the fuck he’s writing about. I bet that if Wallace attempted to write horror I would mistake it to be some kind of weird sitcom.

Defens this, although you cant realistically hope to.
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I really loved that short account about the depressed guy with the train hobby. Man that was sad.

I also really like the AA scene where Dave describes why it works.
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>>11201656
>he thinks he was trying to imitate ebonics
dumbass
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>>11202053
Ebonics doesn't make "great strides," only regressions.
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>>11202552
What was he doing then, asshole?
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POOR TONY RAPE WOMAN OF DRUG GANG OF POOR TONY COUSIN TO SAD WARDINE FUCKING CAUSE OF POOR TONYS COUSIN WIFE

Jesus Christ, really?

Why the hate on kindle?
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Pseuds enjoy displaying their large book collections.
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>>11202644
I only read in natural light
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Amazon has a stranglehold on digital books sales, so understandably some people don't want to strengthen their monopoly by buying a device which is made to lock you in their walled garden (seriously, no ePub support?).

This isn't a problem if you pirate your ebooks (because fuck modern copyright laws and DRMs) and/or you you sync with Calibre.

Most people are only gatekeepers thought—muh printah pepah smell, and such.
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>>11202661
Do you even know how eink works?
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>>11202644
Paper books look good, feel good, and have a sentimental and cultural value that digital files will never have. I have a kindle and I use it often, but I'll always love having a nicely ordered bookshelf.

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>TFW can't write anything without being derivative or emulating another writer's style.
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>>11202568
Why? Because you "want to be a writer"? If you have nothing to say, stop wasting everybody's time
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>>11202583
>everybody's
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>>11202583
It's an art. Any good author is a master of their craft, that started as a bad author. Having something to say is different than having the ability to say it well.
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>>11202409
That's the whole fuckin' point of reading.
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>>11202587
Poor thoughts = poor writing
OP is derivative means he has nothing to say
Like so many "authors"

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How did he put out such an enormous amount of literature with it all remaining so consistently high quality?
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What I like about Dick is the big ideas that go into the stories. The premises of Do Androids, Minority Report, We Can Remember etc. are very compelling.
Other people don't like the lack of character development. What I don't like is the rambling nature of the plots. I think this is the main reason that movies have departed dramatically from the plots of his writings.
For instance, Minority Report (the short story) really rambles. You don't know who is going to be on the protagonist's side in the end. He inverts who are the good guys and who are the bad guys several times. Then it seems like he reaches his word limit and stops with the characters in whatever configuration they happen to be at that point.
I think The Man in the High Castle is the best for having a coherent plot, with a climax and an anticlimax and all that jazz. Too bad Netflix just wanted to turn it into an action series.
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>>11201765
Believe it. I read 130 books a year on average, I read every book by writers I admire, and Dick is easy to read. I had read every book available by the time I was 16.
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>>11202498
Wait. So you read every book by writers you admire, but you hate over half his books?
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>>11202519
Obviously he does, retard.
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>>11202404
PKD is one of my favourite authors but your critique is really on point. It's almost like reading dumbed down philosophy, his characters only exist so that whatever weird shit he happened to believe at the time could happen to them, a lot of the time I feel like he respected literally anyone else's literature more than his, and it shows. Still a phenomenal idea guy if there ever was one

Is this worth reading /lit/?
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>>11201709
I'm reading it. almost done with it.
The beginning is good, very empirical. I'm very interested in the history of the species pre-agriculture. Apparently we drove lots of species to extinction in that period, which was a total surprise to me. If anyone has some more in-depth, but still accessible works on this, I'd appreciate it.
After that I think it gets kind of common-sense.
>Agriculture wasn't an improvement, in many ways our standard of living fell.
>All culture is relative and arbitrary, built on myths which help bind members of society together.
and then he talks about how we got from there to here, how society built up complexity, few fun anecdotes here and there.

pretty ok/10
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>>11201791
Rhizomatic man.
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>>11201878
haven't read but what are some examples of said historical inaccuracies?
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>>11202432
>>All culture is relative and arbitrary, built on myths which help bind members of society together.
This is one of the points that I very strongly disagree with him - cultures are relative, yes, but never arbitrary, they always select for the environment they developed in.
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>>11202658
well, I don't think he makes such a crude point there. Its things like the one lwa he keeps mentioning from Hammurabi's code, where you gotta pay 30 silver shekels if you're caught raping a woman. Why 30? And why such a cold and dispassionate view on sexual violence against women?
The details of each culture are arbitrary. The content that goes around the foundations.

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>Skims the Wikipedia article on Aquinas
>"Pssht, bet you haven't even read the church fathers... kiddo..."
*Posts christ_chan.jpg and tips mitre"
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>>11202600
Many of them haven't even read the bible.
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i know theologians like that lmao
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Ill let you guys in on a secret
most of us just pretend to be christian to seem cultured and at the very least not be grouped in with atheists
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>>11202600
No, he's saying people who read Aquinas haven't read the church fathers, who lived in the later period of the Roman Empire.
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>>11202648
He said they skim wikipedia articles on Aquinas. The word of the OP is the word of the OP, go start your own interpretational group

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write whats on your mind
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im sorry if i ever came off as rude, weird, mean. as cliche as it sounds its me not you. I wish i could be normal, that i could enjoy life, relax. But i have always been riddled with anger, anxiety, self hatred, and a deep depression. and i feel like when im in front of people i have to perform. You wouldn't like the real me. I dont know why im like this, nothing too crazy in my life, at the same time a life of isolation and coldness. I never had many real friends, never the warmth of a woman. Never anyone to talk to. And when i did talk to someone i was rejected or ignored. The general feeling of "what do you have to be stressed about". I agree. Its doesnt make any sense. But i used to go into manias of creativity and then deep suicidal depression, and now its just non stop fatigue and hopelessness. I cant stop thinking about death. I see no purpose in life, never had any ambitions. I avoided people when i could, i hated being in front of people because i just feel so embrasses and humiliated, i have no idea how i made it through school.

i rarely fall in love with women, gomez was the only one, and i wanted her for more than sexual reasons, i wanted to just be, just be with her. As i have grown older i dont think i could have ever made it with her, she was too nice. It was a school boy infatuation. I will forever be grateful that she cared though. she was the only one. The reality though is the type of girl that i gel with is one who wants to put a ciggerrate out on my forehead.

I really am a fuck up of the highest order hahahahah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfGxXGy5Bs
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>>11202397
Naw man I think you can still unfuck your shitty way thinking by doing something you love and concentrating your mania into it. You also still need to learn how to love yourself with all this baggage you have brought over the years.
Best of luck anon
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>>11202397
this guy is no doubt an insufferable spammer who posts stupid shit 24/7, they're always the biggest fucking losers
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>>11200144
yeah dude i'm getting into math more lately just cuz its totally disconnected from anything political, i am so fucking sick of liberal whining about god damn trump, i wish they had whined this much when bush started an illegal war under false pretenses, but anyways, yeah math is a chill respite from the bullshit of life, plus if you're good at it, you're good at it, objectively, there's no issues of "taste" or "identity" in math, there's no gatekeepers
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>>11197162
2 clues to who you are

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This is by far the most depressing book on human history. Prove me wrong.
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>>11202188
Fair enough you are right in the fact he supported democratic socialism.
But it seemed to me that 84' was an alarming warning about the future that may be instore for socialism without proper care.
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Even Brave New World was far more depressing
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>>11201596
>not any history of the West since WW2
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>>11201689
Brave new world is more horrific because it shows the logical endpoint of the 'welfare' state.
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>>11202559
>Not including WW1 which started the whole disaster.

Define post-modernism
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The supposition that any one meaning has an infinite amount of interpretations and that they are all of equal value.

The amount of plebiness in /lit/ is disheartening.
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>>11199926
>to claim that postmodernism was trying to fill Marxism's place because the latter became a joke has no factual evidence to it.
Good post, I hate how Peterson drones use this argument so frequently when its false
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>>11199470
Ouroboros of lit
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>>11199470
"Incredulence towards metanarratives"
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>>11199756
> Derrida's critique of binary opposition or Baudrillard's conception of manufactured cultures of copies without originals?
>Expects anyone with half a brain to take this pseud word salad as anything but a sham.

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sup /lit/

help me write a letter to my ex girlfriend

everyone post a sentence, and i'll splice it all together

here we go

Dear Jessica,
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You always did have a propensity to shitpost, but that's what made you so fuckable.
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But seriously, can we get back together? I'm serious about this. Text me as soon as you read this, please, God I need this. I don't know if you remember when I was telling you about how I was reading Kant and literally transcending to another plane of intelligence but nothing that I could ever learn from that miserable miscreant of a German can ever surpass the experiences (ha, you'd get that if you'd read Kant as much as I had) that I get from even just REMEMBERING what it was like to be with you at certain times.

>>11202527
lost
from there on out, loving it
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At times I see in a moment the coalescing of entire categories of existence but, in truth, that is only my nausea doubling back deeper into my intestinal tract. I have abandoned my dignity and courage for the hope that I might ply your immaculate butthole open with some measly payment of learned and trained aggression, just to see again the heat of your body sweltering under the dismal science of economics. Such fever dreams abandon my kinder hours to the barking of rabid dogs and as I stoop to gallop into the wilderness on all fours I am only devoured.
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Please cuckold me
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Four dexedrines, two xanax, twelve valiums, and three big fat cones of marijuana -

I pop them all like watching your panties drop for the first time.

But this is not the last time I'll get the drop on you -

I'll make sure a dog fucks you, and I'll film it and send it to send it to send it to send it to someone I can make a good, swift buck off of.

>this is what Catholics actually believe
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>>11202066
literally happens according to science
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>>11202045
Reminder
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You can tell by all the green text that some real top minds have made their way into the thread
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>>11202635
that was the stupidest shit I have ever read

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What does /lit/ think of Crowley? I think he's brilliant.
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Can anyone tell a bit about Thelema? All I read about it was vague and perplexing.
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Is he the English Georges Bataille?



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