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Where do I start with Bowden? I've listened to a few of his speeches and I like what I'm hearing.

One problem though:
>claims to be a Nietzschean
>fat

How does that work?
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>wants to be fat
That's how
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>>10178100
I'm not really into politics but Bowden is so fascinating to listen to on pretty much any topic. He is an excellent orator and seems deeply and broadly knowledgeable.

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Bored? Find inspiration difficult? Struggle to meet self-set deadlines? Want honest, sensible feedback on your book?
Let's co-write!
I have a wide range of tastes and don't mind building a structure in your world or aiming towards your goal.
Interested?
email me at jimhughes6969@gmail.com
The ultimate aim is to use Telegram and use multiple shared documents to exchange open feedback, and to write at least 250 words a day.
Of course, you don't need to email me, you could discuss something similar with other anons in this thread, perhaps about how you combat writer's block, criticism or the urge to "scrap".
Perhaps you could go as far as to begin co-writing with them!
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>>10175971
A shit poster from a shitposter
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Would be interesting to collaborate with somone on a book with interchanging chapters between two people each chapter, kind of a two perspective one story thing.
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>>10174258
U on coke breh?
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>>10176260
Writing something with someone else is co-writing.
>>10176389
Just email and see where it goes
>>10176437
I don't do drugs
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>>10177833
What he's describing isn't that

I'm trying to remember a poem by Asbery. I think in the beginning it mentioned going in a passageway behind a bookcase and ended in a movie theatre, maybe. Anyone know the name?
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>Assberg
read berryman instead
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>>10176184
I do. That's not the point.
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>>10176181
My Philosophy of Life is the poem I believe youre hunting. Took some rereading and reflection. Boundary Issues, Daffy Duck in Hollywood, and a chunk of The System all came to mind first.
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>>10177011
From 1995, can be found in Notes from the Air, Selected Later Poems. Though Some Trees and The Double Dream of Spring collections got me into Ashbery, I actually prefer his later stuff. Of all poets he reminds me most of Novalis, an oddly clean (simple-seeming, 'honest') ironist. There's really no one like him.

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I'm too lazy to read The Bible, are there any books that give a decent overview of the Christian faith and the different denominations?
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>>10176763
>>10176776
Are you happy now OP I answered you?
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>>10175704
the movie The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorscese is a good depiction of what Christ may have been like. it emphasizes how he was a man chosen by God and tempted by Satan. if you don't know much of his miracles, temptations and cruxifiction, this is a good place to start
it's based off of a book by the same name, so don't take it as directly from scripture.
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>>10176776
should we really interpret the 'live forever' part literally? Couldn't it mean that your good deeds count toward the universe more so and will last longer versus being a shit?
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>>10176882
The bible is vague to be honest, and that's one of the reasons it does so well, because people like to make their own interpretations of it.

The vagueness certainly does not provide a concrete answer to what that means. Although Heaven is described as being abstract, and existing outside of our universe, not something beyond the skies, but the real Heaven as it was believed throughout history is something that doesn't exist in the way that our universe exists. It's its own thing. Hell however is supposed to be similar to our world.

But these are all speculation, the bible is not specific about anything and it rather stays vague. Although, I do suppose it is more aligned with the literal sense of live forever and not die. But yes it is possible that's not the case, although it is implied.
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>>10175641
anything by richard dawkins tbqh

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>the path to my fixed purpose is laid with iron rails, whereon my soul is grooved to run

the fuck did he mean by this? dis nigga a train or somethin? shiiit
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He must always be on time, or others might not be
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can't say I didn't chuckle
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This reminded me of Hamlet, but turns out Hamlet actually says "to whet thy almost blunted purpose" or something. The more you know.
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Melville had a solid grasp of Aristotlean philosophy. I suggest you read De Anima, where Aristotle lays out the compartmentalization and materialization of the soul. It is, in fact, made of iron.
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>>10177191
it is at once an expression of Ahab's willful determination and of his conviction in being destined to achieve totally sweet things:
>Over unsounded gorges, through the rifled hearts of mountains, under torrents’ beds, unerringly I rush! Naught’s an obstacle, naught’s an angle to the iron way!

10/10 recruitment speech
gonna read the book now

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Hey, /lit/ i have an odd request.

Lately, I've been thinking on how I can do good in this world and I've come to the conclusion that I want to become like Socrates and help friends, family and strangers to learn how to think and how to realize their inner potentials.
So my question is: how do I achieve this? How do I avoid annoying others? Are there books on pedagogy/philosophy which could help me with this task? (I'm already rereading Plato's complete works so there is that).

Any contribution is appreciated.
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>>10176246
Yes but what actually is baiting people into making ethical propositions they cant back up? Youve only given an example
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>>10176173

Go study philosophy perhaps?
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>>10176173
Helping people should not be the primary objective. Being the best man you can be is what you should try. Greeks and onward. Good self-help. War biographies.
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>>10177000
kek
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Plato is a bitch and he's wrong about everything.

I'm trying to learn italian. What is the easiest to read book from recommended reading by origin list ?
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>>10176529
The nonexistent knight
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You're not going to like my answer, but here's what I'm doing. I'm trying to learn German, but it's going very slowly. The way I'm learning doesn't provide in-context grammar or translation, so I'm planning to read a few Harry Potter books in German to help advance the process. Not that I enjoy Harry Potter as I had as a kid, but I'm familiar enough with its context that I could eventually (with the help of German dictionary) I can catch on pretty quickly.

So my advice is to read a book you've read in your native language multiple times, but in Italian.
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Thanks for all the recommendations.
>>10177447
You know what, I really think this would be more efficient. I'm probably going to read Game of Thrones and friends since I stayed away from the series until now even though I watched the abomination that is that fucking tv show.
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Il Deserto dei Tartari helped me quite a bit, otherwise go with Calvino.
Under no circumstances through yourself at Boccaccio.
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Start with the Bible in Italian.

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http://davereis.blogspot.com/2017/10/lamour-ordinaire.html

Is it me or is there something incredibly creepy about this book?
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>>10177717
>I think speculating on just who or what "--Ed." actually is

Editor
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>>10177793
No shit, but who is Editor? Mark? The
VEM corporation? The real editor on our level? Some other character?
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>>10177792
I want to believe that, but I think the author is completely serious, especially given his latter novels employ the same 'ergodic' gimmick.
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>>10177798
The ones I've read don't have an internal section modeled on an undergrad research paper full of stylistic suck, with internal commentary pointing out that it would get a C at best.
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>>10177314
Moby Dick is pretty objectively a better crafted piece of writing, but the influence there is impressive, and subtle enough to not be vulgar.

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Where do I start with this guy?
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>>10177449
same i used a pic of koreans
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>>10177506
tractatus is literally poetry. Who cares if its 'right' or not
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>>10177404
>Where do I start with this guy?
You fucking don't, you start from Frege. You never start with witty. You don't just start Witty and end on Witty. Witty should only be read as part of a cannon, even (read: ESPECIALLY) if you're sparknoting him.
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I agree with the others, read Frege first (read "The Frege Reader" ed. Beaney) or else you really won't understand the Tractatus.
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>>10177404

First start with the Greeks. Then read his writings.

Why don't we talk about Agatha Christie here? She's the most translated author of all time. Ten Little Niggers was her best-selling and masterpiece work.
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>>10177894
I'm not black.
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>>10177642
a well insulated basement?
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>>10177577
>think you would get stabbed in marseilles for the connotations
>implying you need to do anything besides walking around peacefully to get stabbed in Morocco's northernmost city
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>>10177911
looking metropolitan helps, but yeah.
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>>10177022


"The Artificial Nigger," by Flannery O'Connor, short story

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>Ernest Hemingway
>Sylvia Plath
>Hunter S. Thompson
>Virginia Woolf
>David Foster Wallace
>Jack London
>etc.

Infinite Jest was a great read and even though the footnotes sometimes made me want to stop reading (I liked Incandenza's filmography), I willed myself to finish the book because I wanted to see how else DFW would bastardize the english language for better or for worse. However, a part of me says that the only reason why I wanted to finish the book is because of the fact that I'm interested in seeing what this suicidee who has reached "artistic contentment" had to say.

And this is the same for the other suicidees.

The Bell Jar was okay.
>What, Sylvia Plath was an hero?
Now let me read The Unabridged Journals of Sylvia Plath.

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>>10177542
>Is The Old Man and The Sea worth reading?
>Literally a middle school story that can be read in less than two hours.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
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>>10177528
yea it is, saw few days ago a dood on /r9k/ who said he will take "hero's way"
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>>10177571
because you sit around thinking about yourself all day
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>>10177571
why do so many suiciders leave written notes behind
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>HST
>suicide
Costanza

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Any recent acquisitions /lit/? Rummaged through a library sale recently, got this for $20. Lots of biographies mainly, I found the fiction section to be awfully lacking.
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>>10177829
Im a math teacher
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>>10177912
;^)
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Recent adds ;)
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Recent books.
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>>10177807
Oh. What are the good authors you recognize from OP pic?

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should I read?
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>>10174509
Do you like fun?
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>>10174747
best one yet
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>>10174509
It's arguably the best novel ever written. It's also very funny. So yes, you should read it.
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>>10175949
Read Edith Grossman's translation. It's the best one available right now, and at a good price.
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>>10174509
Maybe. It's quite long and if you're a pleb it'll be a waste of time. Then you'll start complaining about muh spic conspiracy on /lit/ and waste other people's time. But a real patrician will recognize its greatness.

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Which book captures "everyday life" the best?
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ROZANOW
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>>10175465
My diary desu
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>>10178049
I came here for this.
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>>10175568
I need the audio.
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http://www.undergroundbooks.org/the-kitchen-poet/ronald-mcdonald-rei-koz



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