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>to be, or not to be, that is the question
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>>23229751
If you think it isn't true then maybe you'd prefer some cringe comedy of manners that the French imported into a fine English language. They all act very silly and artificial, and wink at the audience so you know they're only acting.
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>>23229888
>thinks hamlet is 'an extremely flamboyant, immature and melodramatic character'
>accuses others of not having read the play
What a fucking retard. Are you yourself an ESL, or just a flamboyant theatre fag that likes to project anything he wants onto classic literature? He's immature, yes, but in no different a way than all young men are, and he matures throughout the play. Nothing about him is flamboyant or melodramatic, unless you would like to reduce his madness to simple melodrama, which in the case of it being either real or feigned simple does not fit.
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Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished
I like the way he says this
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>the best Hamlet adaptation
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Kino

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Love and Worldbuilding Edition

Welcome to /wbg/, the official thread for the discussion and development of fictional worlds and settings.
Here is where you can share the details of your created worlds such as lore, factions, magic systems, ecosystems and more. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art, either created by you or used as inspiration for your work. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback!

FAQ:
>What is worldbuilding?
Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.
>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"
Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.
>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"
If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/. We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.
>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"
Yes, of course you can!
>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"

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Hey, any tips on writing an Islamist Utopia? It's technically more of a dystopia, but I think any state founded on Islamic principles will be a dystopia by default.

They're supposed to be the background villains of the conflict, a major power that's plotting to overthrow the Protagonist's kingdom (as in, the kingdom he lives in) so that they can conquer the world.

There's a subplot where the Protagonist has to slip into their capital city (named Al-Baris/Albaris) so that he can free the Sultan from his imprisonment by the Vizier and end the conflict peacefully. I was wondering what it should look like, but my own conclusions were too shallow.
>I made it a bit like Taliban/ISIS ruled regions, with sex slaves and moral police scouring the land to kill supposed heretics and apostates
>Any images of humans are banned, as is music, art, and dancing
>Banking and finance are banned
>Open air slave markets
>Rich men having harems guarded by slave boys they feminized with chemicals (castration is icky)
>Corruption and bribery everywhere, plus military rule.

But I want to go into more depth with it.
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What are some good ways to keep water mages from being totally overpowered in oceanic regions?
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>>23229437
Energy consumed proportional to the amount of water being wielded, the feeble die of exhaustion while trying to conjure up a tsunami.
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>>23104326
I'm planning my base cultures to each embody one of the seven heavenly virtues paired with one of the sins, does this sound like a good idea?
I want the pairs to flow from eachother on a logical way.
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>>23229437
Why the fuck would water mages not be OP on the ocean? What's the point on trying to balance them?

human history before 1933 does not matter.
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>>23229940
Boo all the cool stuff was way before that
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>>23230453
How do you understand the Greeks without understanding the intricacies of the Ugg Grugg War of 47454BC
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>>23229940
I fucking hate /his/ so much it's unreal.
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>>23230513
I feel like this is putting pressure on me to either be smart or funny at all times. Sometimes I just want to be mediocre and not notable in any way, y'know?

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Let's talk Paganism.

Do we have any followers of the old gods here?

Where to start with the Pagans? (Book recommendations).
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>>23229559
>The problem with a lot of Northern European Faiths is that the traditions were not systematised
Imagine being slavic now
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Does anyone know of any books like Turville's Myth and Religion in the North for the Greeks and Romans?
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>>23229329
Why wouldn't it relate to life in general? Our psyche is ancient and contains a permanent record of all our evolutionary history. It's not like we lose access to the archetypes of the gods just because iphones are around. Read Jung.
>>23229559
What makes you think it needs to be systematised? This is what makes its modern incarnations viable.
>>23229594
It's a permanent feature of the psyche and is expressed in older paganism in the form of the ninefold soul. You don't know what you're talking about and just trying to be a plebbit d&c fag.
>>23229627
You're ignoring many MANY examples from history of separate pagan cults sharing worship or initiation. From Romans being initiated into the Eleusinian mysteries, to Thoth, Artemis, and Isis worship by Greeks, to Interpretatio Romana of Germanic gods by Tacitus, to Thomas Morton inviting native american women to join his maypole dance festivals.
You're also not making a point. What makes you think one requires the same rituals across many countries?
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>>23230135
>You're ignoring many MANY examples from history of separate pagan cults sharing worship or initiation. From Romans being initiated into the Eleusinian mysteries, to Thoth, Artemis, and Isis worship by Greeks
These are all kinds of pre-Christianities if you think about the big picture, requiring a large empire with a common administration, lots of migration etc. Christianity outcompeted them so they don't get to speak to us as clearly. Similarly, Buddhism doesn't really take form as we know it until it is patronized by the Maurya emperors of India. There's not really a clean break here if that's what you're getting at then I would agree but we can distinguish this or that cluster of features being more prominent in the organized proselytizing religions versus the local or regional folkish or urban cults that were less mobile but at the same time similar enough to those of their neighbors that theology was seldom a pretext for political or military dispute the way it could be with Christian vs non-Christian, Buddhist vs orthodox Brahmin and so on. The most extreme example of the new kind of religion with these traits is Islam. When the Greeks conquered Persia they have no shortage of chauvinism for their own culture and religion, but they do not destroy Zoroastrianism. When the Arabs conquered Persia they did so under the very pretext of destroying the false religion of the Persians, who were given the choice to submit to the new book and the new priests, or face the sword.
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I completely agree that universalist, proselytising religion is an imperialist tool. I further agree that this kind of religion has warped the way people think about religion as such.
These religions are merely constructs of the power-hungry used to force people into fake identities and therefore a kind of madness. They aren't in alignment with the divine, with nature, with our wellbeing. So why accept them? Their rejection is obviously necessary.

If your point was merely that paganism is a catchall term that covers many different worldviews, including some contradictory ones, then yeah. But the term is a convenient if troubled shorthand. Nobody is saying we should fit traditional religions into the framework of the modern understanding of religion. We're saying we should embrace the traditional framework as well, i.e. particularism and nationalism.

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What are some of the best anti-communism books ever written? Either historical, philosophical, or fictional.
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>ctrl + f mises' socialism
>0 results
If you want a more direct refutation of socialism, this is what you want.
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>>23227954
further post-gamergate brainrot. go spend time on lefty/pol/ and you'll see that socialists/commies/tankies/stalinists whatever absolutely hate neolib elite guts and have absolutely nothing in common
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>>23230192
>refutation
Son, Mises belief that abstract ideas govern reality was falsified by Hume, and Kant, and Hegel.

Non-optimal social relations in history are the baseline, not the deviation. People thinking wrong things and doing them is a constant.

Try dealing with history as a network of power relations and organised and disorganised desires?

If this is what you took from the Cambridge debates…. oh son.
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>>23219853
Have sex
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>>23225308
>Abolishment of class and social distinctions
Through the usage of class itself, it aims to abolish class after a period where classes actually existed and were established. In the communist ideology, capitalism is a stage that has to be progressed from, seeing it as a period necessary in order for socialism to transpire, and then finally, for communism to exist. But the very idea is composed of the fact that it is supposed to be temporary, something that never actually happened as it was intended to. After taking away agency from the common man, giving the state the ability to control the means of production, the people should have benefitted, instead what happened every single time was that totalitarianism took over and the state never relinquished its power, as was intended to happen. Communism can be defined as the failure of a mind to properly assess and address issues beyond what the scope of a person's god complex and overtly emotional appeal to issues that shouldn't be related to any type of ideological structure in which one of the main aspects can be said to be ideas confined within a person's ability to emotionally decide what is right or wrong. A state that acts almost exclusively lenient on such ideas is meant to fail, as concepts of humanitarian nature, while attractive and somewhat reasonable for a select few people in charge, does not take core issues into consideration. The main problem is prioritization of issues, and socialism as well as communism put an emphasis on social problems, that in itself only can exist properly in an organic progress that would take a lot of time to actually exist. It's a type of rabid idealism in which the main and sole purpose is to speed up the process it takes to progress, it doesn't actually aim to do something unique that wouldn't have transpired naturally, the pace is the only thing they have the desire to affect, and is the only thing they can affect. It can all be tied to radicalism and misunderstanding of a variety of different issues present not only just today but also in the past.

I can't read decked edged books. They make a book feel carelessly made. Up with which, I will not put.
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I only read one book like this and I hated it
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>>23229342
Maybe you don’t know how to browse them
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bump
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>>23229077
ALl of mine are poetry and smell like some lesbian's house.
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>>23229331
*cuts off fingers*
*blood stains the ook*
>Oops sowwy anon I can be such a clumsy table saw sometimes, I was just tryin ta help yeew. >____<

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>Book has "characters" that act as plot devices
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>>23230435
>Book has devices that act as plot characters

YOU just finished this, what do YOU think that I think of it come what will it be as it mayhaps
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>>23230129
Nigga shut the fuck up
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>>23230129
He should have written a book called Leo's Toy Store.
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Tolstoy's hot take historical essays were coloured by his russian nationalism and oddly hypocritical and lacking nuance, doubly so when you look back with hindsight onto the legal changes napoleon brought to the world and the fact that most of the ars in the napoleonic wars were declared AGAINST napoleon to prevent the spread of reforms that tolstoy himself would have been supportive of. the hypocrisy stems from his assertion about the lack of meaning of individual actions, specifically, of individual major historical figures, like napoleon, but Tolstoy rapidly shifts from downplaying and burying Napoleon and his legacy to absolutely GUSHING over Kutuzov and how he was the only man in russia who knew the right approach to take to the invasion, and how his genuis single handedly saved russia.

beyond that annoyance,though, which is largely restrictd to a few repetitive and tedious chapters, the novel is incredible in its scope and depth of its exploration of its characters and their lives and search or meaning and fulfillment, giving us and intimate glimpse into the thoughts and feelings and experiences of various persons and personalities and situations over the course of years during circumstances ranging from the mundane to the extraordinary. Tolstoys brilliant and intimate characterization produces characters who are deeply relatable, likeable ( or not, when the situation calls for it), and entertaining, and their stories unfold under a wonderfully wholesome thematic tone.
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>>23230123

The original title was War, What Is It Good For?
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>>23230319
I pretty much agree with this post nearly entirely. I do disagree with Tolstoy as well on there being no “great men” but honestly I think his assertions about what other historians purportedly believe honestly stems likely from a misreading. I highly doubt those historians he rails against truly believe history is moved solely by single persons like he seems to assert they do, making his huge novel 1100 pages of him fighting a strawman, but like you said much of that is kept within only a few conspicuous chapters.

Besides all that I completely agree in recognizing his excellent ability to create compelling and believable characters. I’m not going to pretend I’m incredibly well read, cause I’m not, but it does rival the characterization Dostoevsky is famous for. Besides that it’s just a simply compelling story and while I do disagree with his main thesis, he does speak alot of truth in much of what he writes.

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If the ancient classics are so important why are they written in dead languages?
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Because the classics was and is more important than the languages that they were written in.
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It's a good question though. If they were so great then our language would have evolved to fit them and wouldn't have diverged away from it. Why would anyone ever let language diverge so far away from these classical texts that are so perfect and great and holy? The second a generation starts to be unable to understand them there should be huge pushback to reeducation the populace to revert the langauge back into the language of these great works.
But that didn't happen, collectively, it was decided that understanding these works was not a priority, not worth keeping.
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>>23229748
except that every western author up to Eliot says something to the effect that one who has only read the classics in translation cannot be said to have read them. were they just being snobby?
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>>23230365
Any translation doesn't really fully capture the original.
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>>23230214
>Why would anyone ever let language diverge so far away from these classical texts that are so perfect and great and holy?
It's not a matter of "let". As Samuel Johnson put it, to enchain syllables, and to lash the wind, are equally the undertakings of pride, unwilling to measure its desires by its strength.

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What am I in for?

My favorite part is when someone sticks their arm elbow-deep up Bloom's vulva. Did that part give you a hardon?
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>>23226756
This was my throw the book chapter. I was fine to a degree with everything else but I hate Sirens
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>>23226917
You have to stick with it a bit to get it. This chapter onwards is where the book becomes something completely in its own league.
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>>23223936
you cant stick anything in a vulva dumbfuck, vulva describes the outside parts of the pussy. you sound like a fucjing 10 year old who just learned about girls from a neighbor boy
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>>23228492
I don't know what to tell you, it's in the book. Are you trying to say you know English better than James Joyce?
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>>23230202
yes. ulysseys sucks ass anyway. i opened that horseshit book up to a random page and some dude was jabbering about how snakes suck milk out of womens titties. threw it across the room and read masters of atlantis instead

So what is the practical fruition of his philosophy, is the overman an unjust incompassionate tyrant? If not then what kind of man is he.
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>>23229947
There’s nothing to understand. His “philosophy” was just his ramblings. It’s more like poetry than philosophy. That’s why Heidegger said metaphysics ended with Nietzsche. He did not even engage with metaphysics, which is to say, he did not do philosophy in the sense that we know philosophy. There’s nothing to understand because Nietzsche was not a philosopher.
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>>23230043
So true!
Nietzsche is the most misunderstood, incoherent, self-contradicting, pleb-filtering philosopher of all time.
He never wrote a single line of direct speech. Everything he said was coated in AT LEAST 3 to 55 layers of irony, post-irony, and even pre-irony. If someone ever says to you “Nietzsche said x,” you can rest assured they’re probably wrong, because it’s difficult to even prove that Nietzsche ever said anything.
That’s why the ONLY person you should trust is his best disciple, Walter Kauffman, who is intelligent enough to distill Nietzsche into some form that we mere untermensch may understand. If you don’t have access to a Kauffman translation, your next best chance at understanding Nietzsche is listening to an anon who clearly hates him, because the only people who TRULY understand Nietzsche are those who have never read him at all, since for every word of Nietzsche you read, you only heighten the chance that you misunderstand him.
NO ONE knows what Nietzsche meant. It’s impossible to know.
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>>23230043
Probably for the best, most of the metaphysics threads on here are populated by retards.
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>>23230043
This! So much this!
im trans btw
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>>23228671
Nietzsche conceived of the overman as "a Roman Caesar with the soul of Christ."

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anglepoise
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>>23228494
Plebs will never understand the sublime pleasure of reading an illuminated manuscript under candlelight.
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>>23226447
Lava lamp
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>>23228737
neither do you
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>>23229136
it’s in snippets like these that you really see howard’s influence on george’s writing
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>he's about to go learn from his other half Marwyn
marwyn teaching sam magic would be cool and would probably be the thing that would get me to like sam's chapters. maybe marwyn will show him how to use glass candles and he'll be able to work magical recon for the night's watch. he's already used dragon glass to kill an other maybe he's got a knack for using the stuff in other ways unlike all the other people at the citadel.

>>23230266
>Arianne is the most privileged and delusional character since book 1 Sansa, but as an adult
not to mention entitled. bitch literally tried starting another civil war all because she thought her daddy liked her brother more than her. keyword being "thought". a single open-hearted honest conversation with doran is all it would've taken to keep their goals aligned. doran keeps his cards close to his chest but i doubt he would've kept everything from her like he did if he knew just how retarded she was.
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>>23230364
Pretty sure the Martells are going to end up killing Cersei's kids one way or another so I hope Arianne isn't meant to be le epic empowered female character than Reddit think she is.
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>>23230266
And the thing with Sansa was, she was just trying to do what she was told to do her entire life. The playbook on how to be a lady was literally all she had, and it all became useless in the buildup to the war.

What's Arianne's excuse?
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I am a failed STEMfag. Unable to understand higher math and sciences I was going to kms for being a midwit but I ended up at /lit/. I don't claim to understand everything that's been said here, but most of the time I can follow the arguments and even come up of my own. I wonder if my brain is structured towards philosophy, or maybe I am just delusional and coping about failing at STEM. What do you think?
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>>23228729
>Philosophy is closely related to mathematics, so if you suck at mathematics you probably won’t engage very deeply with philosophy.
proof?
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Philosophy is mostly nonsense. Not all thinking is philisophy, so I'm not contradicting myself.
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>>23229125
>Not all thinking is philisophy,
That is not true. If you are thinking anything important, it is probably philosophy.
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I feel like I have seen this post before. That being said, If you failed to understand higher principles of math and science you may struggle with abstract philosophical reasoning.
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>>23228729
>>23230296
Real philosophers often find mathematics as it is currently practiced dreadfully boring because mathematics as it is currently practiced is mostly about solving little puzzles that have no necessary relation to reality. The people I've known who were supernaturally good at mathematics were also addicted to puzzles, they'd spend all day solving an Euler problem, but they never thought about the cosmos or metaphysics at all, and they never even thought about the higher reaches of what mathematics might be. The people I've known who had the most interesting insights on mathematics were lousy mathematicians by comparison.

Modern math in particular is just horrible. 95% of people who claim to be good at it have no systematic grasp on it at all, they only stack tricks and heuristics on each other, so that yes they are "good at" identifying which tricks and heuristics to "apply to" a given calculus problem and in which order, they have no idea where they come from or what it all means. The other 5% are logicians who autistically enjoy proving everything from the ground up but also have no interest in mind or metaphysics ultimately, i.e. no interest in the realms that might actually ground logic. They have no sense of logic as a noetic art, i.e. as revealing something that actually has to be noetically nondually experienced, not just discursively proved on paper, in what Schopenhauer called "mousetrap proofs."


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