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How old were you when you started reading literature that this board would approve of?
How old were you when you read your first 'difficult' book?
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>>11831490
i read the sorrows of young werther at 13
that counts, right?
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Does this count? read it at 17 and it's still one of my favorite books. After that i read do androids dream of electric sheep and that was great too.
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>>11831490
17, started with thus spake Zarathustra (of course). Understood it well as I had basically youtubed myself into nietzsche for hours and hours. Was at a really rough point in my life, and immaturely considering myself to be das ubermensch got me through it
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8. Read Dumas, Hugo... (im french)

Read a fuckton until I turned 12 then went back to reading around 18/19
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>>11831490
I was reading on my own at 3 years old. My parents fostered my natural talent and I was reading highschool tier books like Siddhartha, catcher in the rye, etc when I was 8-9 years old. By the time I was 14 I was more well read than 90% of my teachers. And it wasn't just a checklist of classics I read, but I would occasionally obsess about a certain author and read their biographies, then I would read everything in the bibliography of the biography and so on. So for certain books/authors I had such a depth of knowledge that I would often "hog" class time "discussing" a book with a teacher. In reality I was the one giving a lecture. I would literally get 99% in my English classes. Did wonders for my average, and I would often write my classmates assignments for them as well for a fee. I did get caught, and nearly expelled once they discovered how "prolific" I was, but ultimately they couldn't stomach punishing me severely because they admired me.

I only started to dig into philosophy when I was 16-17. I majored in French literature in university. I'm only 22 but my interest in fiction has been seriously diminished to the point where I only read it to facilitate language acquisition, i.e. I only read foreign fiction (mostly French, working on German). In English I read mostly history, and biographies of people I consider exceptional.

Basically that's all to say I was /lit/ from a young age, and outgrew literature before most of you even started.

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What are some good autobiographies?
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my diary desu
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I'm also interested in this.
>>11834103
Is that good OP? Bush seems like an interesting politician, can't really tell if he was an extraordinary leader that made some mistakes or a general doofus.
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>>11834133
It's alright. And yeah, he was a doofus, but had good intentions.
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>>11834103
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/52309.The_Autobiography_of_Benjamin_Franklin

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Well it's one more boring Thursday night in Adelaide, and it looks like everybody must have died. There's no one on the streets and nothing on TV. Well I think I'll go and burn my TV guide. Doesn't Ernie Sigley bring you down? Don't you think Mike Willesee's a clown?

Oh well I think I'd like to go and hear some rock'n'roll music played. So I'll check the amusement pages of the paper. Reggae bands doing one night stands at the Lion Hotel and Arkaba. And the girl at the bar thinks I'm going to take her home in my MG and. Hanging out at discos brings you down. Hanging out at discos brings you down.

Down on Anzac highway in my rusty old FV, and I'm looking for some food to take away. Finger lickin' kitten and a double fisted bun. Well I've chewed and spewed and so I'm here to say. Orange laminex pizza bars bring you down. Orange laminex pizza bars bring you down.

Yes we know it was the festival of art and all that stuff, and the culture vultures still sat on the fence. Before you put your bum on those plush red seats take a look in your backyard. Don't we need some changes in this town? Arty farty cities bring you down. Don't we need some changes in this town? Before you put your bum on those plush red seats take a look in your backyard. Don't we need some changes in this town?
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>>11833288
>Adelaide
What?
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>>11833179
>Adelaide
>Anzac Highway
Thats where I live, b&r OP.
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>>11833179
>Thursday

It's still Tuesday here baka
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>>11834472
the idea of living in that shithole makes me laugh
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What are good jobs to have if you want to write on the side?
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>>11833007
>projecting
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>>11833007
dressing up in rags with our pockets full. it's the literary lifestyle. you're doing it wrong. you won't make it.
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>>11828053
I don’t get this one. I much prefer “The Kiss” or “The Duel”
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>>11828035
fbpb
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>>11831838
>>11831857
>>11832997
This, find a "hold the fort" job lacking internet which would bore most people

Was he just a curiosity for boomers or does he have any relevancy today?
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>>11833409
He’s a necessary point of entry into contemporary media studies, of which I think theorists of interactivity have interesting things to say
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>>11833409
i want to look like this man
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>>11833409
I think a lot people theorizing on history ought to take media studies more seriously.

And yes he is super relevant today
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>>11833409
>public intellectual
Is there anything more pretentious, more attention-seeking?

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ok this fucking slaps. Never thought Soviet lit could be this good.
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>this fucking slaps
Why do people think this meme is good? The moment anybody says it I disregard what they're saying.
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>>11834360
One of my favs
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>/lit/ finally learns there are Russian authors other than Tolstoevsky
While you're at it, check out Ilf and Petrov's "twelve chairs" and "the golden calf"
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>>11834360
>>11834633

ok guys are you actually able to add any content significant to those who haven't read it ?

cos if you're not, you might as well just dab
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>>11834631
this post doesn't slap at all

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I vote Heidegger, I can barely get past the title kg the chapter without feeling like a child.
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>>11833470
Kant, even the stupid midget’s translator said his writing was hideous
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>>11833535
It was better the first way yoy put it.
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Any book in here:
https://libraryofbabel.info
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>>11833716
“I think they...is not difficult in proportion to its content...”

Nah I fucked up by jumping off from the subject within parenthesis after I had already closed it off.
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>>11833470
Most (unintentionally) incomprehensible writer?

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And how can I be a part of it?
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>>11832924
Then research technology as is increasingly becomes an extension of our being. I think this era will be iconic for the boom of communication and technology.
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>>11832935
>tfw you fully intend to resist the homogenization of society through immersion in what is old and ignorance of what is new
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>>11833280
What do you mean
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According to Strauss-Howe theory we're due for another crisis ~soon~. Millenials (1986-2000ish) will be Heroes akin to the GI generation. Our children (kids born around 2025ish) will be Prophets akin to the Boomers.
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>>11829965
i´m all for eurasianism (if it means getting rid of shitskins once it for all)

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I will be reading The Interpretation of Dreams and I wanted to ask what is something I should know before heading into this. I am told that Freud is pretty dense and difficult, but I am really interested on this topic and I have to read it. I haven't read any huge philosophic/psychologic books before (I mostly read philosophical novels), so am a bit worried that I will be wasting my time and will not be able to grasp everything I need from it.


So what can you guys suggest me to do while reading it, like should I take notes or underline parts and note them or idk. Any answer is appreciated! Thank you in advance.
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self bump
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>>11834669
I wouldn't say that freud in general is dense or difficult, but The Interpretation Of Dreams is. You could start by reeading the much shorter essay called On Dream, or About Dreaming, or whatever. You could also skip the first 100 pages of The Interpretation Of Dreams. Finally you can read short parts or chapters by Freud, picked up here and there - for instance in the lectures of 'Introduction To Psychoanalysis', or Psychopathology Of Everyday Life, or Sexual Life...
I really enjoy Freud, both because I think he's right on many topics, and because he's a smart person often addressing problems with a great honesty, therefore an author pretty interesting to read. However I had trouble reading The Interpretation Of Dreams because I didn't find there one of Freud's great vertues - the ability to develop accurately and in a convincing way a brand-new idea within a short number of pages. Good luck though !
(when it comes to dreams, "The Wolf Man" is a great read too)

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Does Sturgeon's Law apply to so-called literary fiction?
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>>11834391
Literary fiction is a genre with its own conventions. And yeah, there's a lot of bad lit fic out there.
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>>11834561
What genre fic is still worth reading for someone who reads lit fic? (apart from Tolkien and PKD)
Is Book of the New Sun worth reading? I've heard people describe it as science fictions's Ulysses, is that relative or is it really that hard?
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>>11834091
It even applies to Sturgeon's Law.
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>>11834367
what a brave opinion you have
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>>11834091

Depends what you mean by literary. If you just mean a catch all term for non-genre fiction, then yes. If you mean, like, Literature, then no because the term implies it's the best of the best.

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What is some essential African literature?
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>>11833734
Coetzee
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>>11833734
African as in sub-saharan black /lit/ or African as in North Africa included?
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>africa
>literature
teehee funny joke anon
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>>11833734
The Book of the Dead
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>>11833734
Ngugi wa Thiong'o is good

I'm looking for books about older religions/mythology but depicted less in terms of factual information and more as though there are lessons to be learnt in the writing. Sort of like how the bible doesn't just have a section called "Jesus" or "Moses" if that makes any sense.

Has anybody got any recommendations?
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What the fuck are you even trying to say?
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>>11834547
Beowulf
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>>11834891
Fuck off, faggot. Beowulf reads like an Old English child's christian fanfic. Never seen a more boring character in my life, and the fact that people compare that shithead and his shitty story to actual paragons of epic poetry (i.e Achilles, Gilgamesh, Aeneas, et al) is nothing more and nothing less than a sign of pure unadulterated psuedery.

>>11834547
You might want to read the Metamorphoses.
An example is the tale of Apollo and Daphne, where the whole conflict is ignited by Apollo condescending to Cupid about his handling of the bow, and ends with Apollo's object of desire forever out of reach and turned into a tree. It's full of such stories.

The Sumerian Laments (Lament for Ur, specifically) may be worth a look too.
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>>11834891
I've read beowulf, enjoyed it alot. But it was clearly the self insert.
>>11834907
>Comprising 11,995 lines, 15 books and over 250 myths
W-wew I'll look into it thanks anon

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what the fuck does this mean ? am i retarded or is this sentence just written so fucking awfully ? (from Mallarme, Crisis in Poetry)
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>>11834474
Nothing refers to nothing.
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>>11834474
Mallarme's original is bad already but the translator is to blame.
>So far, in each of the models I've just mentioned, [there is] nothing but reserve and abandon - because of the lassitude...

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I lifted heavy weights (relative to now) at the gym yesterday and I may be stronger than I've been for over a year. I had a late night McDonalds binge afterwards.

I had skittles and cherry cola and chocolate today. I considered having honey flavour Ben and Jerry's but I think I can overcome it and stop binging, for now. I am having coffee from Starboocks right now but I won't have it after 4 pm, so my sleep won't be affected too much.

I wrote a large 6000+ character sadpost last night.

I am unsure whether to start reading a history book or a sci-fi book. The sci-fi book seems less interesting. It's really quite damning that novels feel like more work than history books. I can see why someone would say otherwise, by saying fiction works your imagination, but I don't take that seriously.

I saw an otherwise 7/10 with large boobs and it really hit home the idea of genetics being everything.

I am starting to see everything as an intelligence test: avoiding junk food, avoiding coffee, and so on. But in the end, is it more intelligent to have junk food and maximise pleasure or sacrifice pleasure for the sake of some ideal that is merely a spook? It's arbitrary, of course.

I feel like such a subhuman for not having a highly technical job, not being rich, or not being a high paid lawyer or investment banker. Young people these days start financial companies for fun or become bitcoin millionaires after zero effort or work in fancy city of London offices in companies where everyone is under 35 and they have job titles with "strategy" in them and they go on 10 holidays a year and rent their large London flats on Airbnb and feel sincerely sad about Brexit or work as academics (it's all charlatanism outside of STEM, but still) or work in the UK public sector surrounded by their clones and Oxbridge college friends and with a pressure free job for life.
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>>11834694
>it's all charlatanism outside of STEM, but still

Could have symphatized but you have a condescending tone when you clearly don't seem to be much better than the rest. I guess no one really is
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>>11834759
Yeah, drop the charlatanism, spook stuff, you're almost 30, read pulp, and have a child's palette for food, you're not in much of a position to dismiss philosophy as a field
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>>11834694
>become bitcoin millionaires after zero effort

Do you know how bitter I am?

Back in 2011, when the buttcoin prices were like 5$ a piece I had hundreds of bitcoins at best. Even one of my friends sold 40 bitcoins when they first hit 100$ and we were sure it was going to crash back then (2012? 2013?)

I would not have to work a day in my life if I would have saved even like 10 bitcoins from back then, but I sold all them when they were in some cuck price range

Every day I try not think about it
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>I’m not good enough and lack self control!
>I judge myself by intent and others by action!

Grow the fuck up.
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>>11834694
You sound cute anon :3

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Is it really THAT good?
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>>11829434
An Onion is the patrician choice.
Alyosha is one of the best characters ever written but honestly Ivan's breakdown towards the end always makes him a favorite of mine
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>>11829193
wrong cover bucko
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>>11832432
well im not involved in alt right currents at all because im iranian but ive heard of dostoevsky... who hasn't? Most educated people know who he is
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>>11834979
is this real
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>>11834979
WHY IS THIS REAL!!!




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