[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vm / vmg / vr / vrpg / vst / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k / s4s / vip] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 / aco / adv / an / bant / biz / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / his / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / news / out / po / pol / pw / qst / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv / tv / vp / vt / wsg / wsr / x / xs] [Settings] [Search] [Mobile] [Home]
Board
Settings Mobile Home
/lit/ - Literature

Name
Spoiler?[]
Options
Subject
Comment
Verification
4chan Pass users can bypass this verification. [Learn More] [Login]
File[]
  • Please read the Rules and FAQ before posting.

08/21/20New boards added: /vrpg/, /vmg/, /vst/ and /vm/
05/04/17New trial board added: /bant/ - International/Random
10/04/16New board for 4chan Pass users: /vip/ - Very Important Posts
[Hide] [Show All]


[Advertise on 4chan]

[Catalog] [Archive]

I'm on page 170 approximately and so far it has been a slog. Will it just be the political talk of a rich family for 700 pages? I'm guessing it will get good when Leto is betrayed and Paul becomes an active character, yet the book has been baiting me for the last 70 pages or so with Irulan's notes.
13 replies omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25086784
Fuck off Villeneuve.
>>
>>25086647
>The purpose of the book is to lighten the charge of the other books
Then you misunderstood it from the first.
>it's not even entertaining
If you want high jinks, read Wodehouse.
>I might just drop it.
You should. It's clearly filtered you.
>>
>>25086631
>>25087880
>>25087320
Hi Lovecraft!
>>
>>25088536
>Then you misunderstood it from the first.
The book is not that deep.
>If you want high jinks, read Wodehouse.
Or I could actually read entertaining science fiction, like K. Dick or Wells
>>
The first three books are merely set up for the actual good book, God Emperor of Dune

the canals of braavos edition

ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
Blog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/
Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/
So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/
Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/
SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdy
General search: http://searcherr.work/
TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

old: >>25060618
65 replies and 19 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089466
It makes no sense to be daario
Her relationship with him is just sex and she pretty much moves on by leaving him behind by the end of ADWD, if dany is going to get stabbed by anyone in the book it'll definitely be jon just like the show
>>
>>25089994
It was actually the whole Slavers Bay arc that did it
>>
>>25090190
what you mean ?
>>
>>25089396
>>
George R.R. Martin you stupid fucking nigger should have gone with the timeskip anyway so that we would've been done with this series now. Maybe would have been worse but at least we wouldn't have to think about anymore like we do now, constantly being drip fed with small news and information fuck you.

I am only about 100 pages in, and despite the fact that I've only read The Crying of Lot 49, Bleeding Edge, and GR, I am going to declare this as Pynchon at his best.
43 replies and 1 image omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25084693
>permeating paranoia
Uh.. Maskelyne, duh. Did u even readf it
>>
bump
>>
>>25086464
Against the Day could have been 200 pages shorter and lost nothing.
>>
>>25082391
Yeah, it is ultimately a part of a larger work, his trilogy/tetralogy. GR is the right place to start but there is a case to be made for V.
>>25082839
>If you know the history and familiarize yourself with the novels of the 18th century, you're more likely to appreciate the novel.
But more likely to miss Pynchon's entire point.
>no, I got that.
Prove it.
>>25084752
>t. actually reading a guide
At least you are not reducing it to trad larp.
>>
>>25082475
One of the worst Pynchon books

File: 987764344.jpg (250 KB, 1080x839)
250 KB
250 KB JPG
Can symbols stand up to ultrarational nihilism?
13 replies and 2 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25087694
>Shouldn't nihilism be against rationalism?
OP doesn't know what either of those terms mean
>>
>>25087681
>ultrarational nihilism
dude lmao
(((superman))) is the most nihilistic character, engineered to boost goyim conscripts to fight (((wars))).
certainly, he mogs the rest of the 'evil knevels'
>>
File: images.jpg (20 KB, 447x447)
20 KB
20 KB JPG
>>25087681
Humans are ment to operate with a balance of rational and irrational. Nihilism in combination with nothing but rationality and logic would actually be irrational. A nihilist might claim nothing matters as a universal truth and base his/her philosophies, but the universe doesn't answer questions when you ask. Humans came to conclusions to their own questions based on how they looked and studied nature. The meaningless rock, sky, sea, and eveything else made of nothing but matter did not give you an answer. Just because we had a brain that could think doesn't mean there was a reason to make symbols like letters and numbers and give them meaning. To give them meaning is irrational because it doesn't matter. Things didn't have names before humans chose to do it, no colors. Intelligence does not seek knowledge on it's own. A human needs a drive. More then an emotional one, a spiritual one as well. Humans are very spiritual. Before religion and science when humans migrated the earth looking for eachother they wondered about their surroundings and their purpose. Basically any new thing "given sense" is through nonsense. It doesn't matter if the universe is real. People gave it meaning and gave value to everything they themselves hold precious. Even if you could say something is valuble for the progress or safety of mankind, you could say humans don't matter and value themselves. There is no reason to progress or survive. We are matter. I understand the nihilist view, but I'm simply someone who chooses to value and understand the meaning in things, after all a meaningless place like the universe is nothing and humans are creators.
>>
>>25088226
Cassirer
>>
>>25087681
Believing in the power of the human spirit/will is naive, you only need to read accounts of famines, the Holocaust, shipwrecks, etc. to know that hunger is more powerful than hope.

File: IMG_7485.jpg (34 KB, 500x500)
34 KB
34 KB JPG
>woman becomes most successful fantasy author ever
>feminists can’t celebrate her because she’s anti-trans
90 replies and 3 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25090247
>Feminists love her.
Who or what is a feminist these days? they are dissolving her books as a movement over on normie reddit. All the 'radical'l queers want every tranny armed to the tooth to what? shoot people taking away their free boob jobs?
>>
>>25090247
I don't know where you get your info, but Rowling was essentially excommunicated from mainstream feminism over the tranny question. She boasted about her feminist bona fides 20 years ago, and the feminists back then were happy to have her a figurehead, but now they vilify her in public for refusing to kowtow to the trannies. At some point trannies completely took over feminism, and now you cannot publicly call yourself a feminist unless you make obeisance to them, affirming their preeminence in the movement. Any feminist who refuses to do this is declared a "radical fringe nut" and excluded from feminist society, forced to slum it with their fellow TERFs or even more fringe groups. As yet there is no "alt feminism" that unites these various outcasts, probably because their politics are simply too diverse to cohere into a real camp. Then again, the alt right is also a completely incoherent group devoid of any real leadership and the media still somehow willed it into existence by talking about it.
>>
>>25090359
What's worse, a cabal that rapes and maybe murders a handful of children every couple of years, or a worldwide cult of teachers, bureaucrats and communists indoctrinating MILLIONS of children into cutting off their genitals and killing themselves to end the white race. That's what TRA's are. I'll wait.
>>
>>25085840
TERFs are not at all opposed to class revolutions, racial justice, or embracing a plethora of sexual identities. They simply believe in biological sex, and that cutting off your penis and taking hormones doesn't make you a woman any more than sewing feathers and grafting a beak to your mouth makes you a bird.
>>
>>25083936
I've seen a couple. They're freakish, but I've seen other, even more freakish people that weren't trannies. I don't really object to transsexualism as a concept, I just don't believe society should be beholden to such people. If they want to be left alone and mind their own business, more power to them. But you cannot mandate acceptance when you turn your body into a perversion of nature. Yes, it is a perversion of nature. I don't believe that means they deserve to be killed or unfairly persecuted, but it is neither deserving of respect or even acceptance. I believe trannies are mentally ill in a way that we do not have the means to treat, and which is being exploited by the medical industry for profit. Worse, the exploitation exacerbates the issue and prevents meaningful research into curing it decisively. It could be the "cure" would be preventative rather than restorative, and there's nothing we can do for people currently afflicted with gender dysphoria except to minimize their discomfort simultaneous with their negative impact on society as a whole.

File: Ondulations.jpg (223 KB, 960x1280)
223 KB
223 KB JPG
prev: >>25084976
110 replies and 17 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25090287
Oh yeah I refuse to use product or anything like that. I go with what's natural and hope for the best. I'm gonna cut it shortish tomorrow though which will help a lot; when it's only two inches and short on the sides and back, it becomes a lot more consistent. The issues only really begin once it gets to 3 and 4 inches.
>>
I've become easy to bait.
>>
I'm making an effort to finally shed my stubborn neck fat and develop a real 6-pack. I'm eating less and going longer without calories.
It's kind of fun. Once you get used to it, hunger has a weird appeal. It makes me feel focused and giddy and high-energy.
>>
File: download (4).jpg (61 KB, 256x256)
61 KB
61 KB JPG
Another Saturday night, locked in his room,online with a bunch of strangers blotting out their inner voids with repetitive pseudo violence. Angry twelve year olds cursing like drunken sailors over the voicechat,bragging when their luck runs well,screeching when it finally runs out. Bud sipped his Mountain Dew,and respawned,looking for his next target. He found one,hiding between buildings in a darkened alleyway, waiting to ambush some poor scrub that happened her way. Bud smiled,and crouched to make his approach silent and his own ambush that much sweeter.

Then he noticed certain things.

The avatar was partially facing a wall,and in no position to shoot. And as Bud approached nearer,he heard the character's mic was left on,and saw the odd jerking movements of an abandoned mouse. He heard some sort of argument being broadcast by the forsaken player,and as Bud stole behind her,the voices became clearer. And disturbing.

A man was screaming in the background, and closer to the mic,a girl was crying. Deep wracking sobs filled Bud's earphones,and the roar of some drunken fool berating her. Bud paused his character behind hers and eavesdropped on the scene,his gut wrenching from the raw emotion flowing unbidden into his ears. It was some father cursing his daughter for being a burden,an idiot,a worthless slut. And all the girl did was cry. Then,reaching some breaking point,the girl's avatar twitched from its hiding place out into the open as Bud heard the father slam the girl into her computer desk. The girl screamed,there was a crash,and more screaming as the father continued his beating. Bud was crying himself now,and started screaming back,hoping to get their attention. "STOP IT! LEAVE HER ALONE! STOP IT STOP IT STOP-"

And then the girl's avatar was sniped. A headshot death animation claimed her ,and her avatar vanished. She did not respawn,and was eventually kicked off the server due to inactivity. Bud shook in his seat,wondering what he could do to find her,to help her,to save her life. But it was all pointless. He logged off,and curled up in a ball on his bed. Who could save her?

Who could save him?
>>
>>25088445
About 5 days ago, I re-visited one of my all-time favorite recordings. I must be the only person within a 50 mile radius who has a CD of it, never mind equipment suitable for listening to it, on the road or at home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ff5YkzjgoA&list=PLAoXfDNWtrgMoWPG5kC3jrED2BVpA7lH6&index=9

File: 1760048099592953.jpg (89 KB, 660x1000)
89 KB
89 KB JPG
This wasn't supposed to be an instruction manual
24 replies and 2 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089786
>Fear of other is CORRECT!
Not necessarily. In fact these Others have been shipped in by people that are your own. These people are manipulating you.
>>
>>25090325
usurers and speculators are neither people, nor my own and they are evil, just like the invaders, just like turd eater's fleet
>>
>>25090308
>you're clearly a retard who thinks shouting
>muh fallacy is an argument.
You're not even making an argument, only fallacies.
>>
>>25090348
I am making an argument, you gay retard. if immigration was good we wouldn't see a rise in anti immigrant political movements in every fucking country. clearly people see immigration as bad and one of the biggest issues harming them, retardo
>>
>>25090328
>and they are evil,
Wo bro, don't get all commie in here. that ain't cool

>just like the invaders (fictional)
How villainous of them to be poor!
Geezus what a dipshit book.

File: 1753565704764642.png (595 KB, 740x624)
595 KB
595 KB PNG
How cooked will Gen Alpha literature be?
86 replies and 12 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25090162
Basically what >>25090259 said. There have always been weird coomers and perverts throughout all of history but you used to be able to go your whole life without ever interacting with them. Those perverts now are very prevalent and zoomers see and interact with them daily because of the internet.
>>
>>25088353
Stop making school mandatory.
It's one thing for the kids to not gaf but if they parents don't care about how their kids are doing either then just let them drop out.
>>
>>25090343
>Lets make the average person even more of a drooling retard
Great plan faggot
>>
>>25090119
Nothing was lost tbqh. Film is barely over 100 years old and it already hit the limits of what it can do.
>>
>>25090365
Like school makes a difference to the unmotivated student.
They just become a nuisance to teachers and the actually motivated kids.

File: IMG_4576.jpg (305 KB, 1445x2048)
305 KB
305 KB JPG
53 replies and 22 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
File: 1771142188539.jpg (101 KB, 1000x1431)
101 KB
101 KB JPG
>>25089484
>rapist shares his views about the world at length
the diary of a rapist
>>
neat thread
>>
>>25089683
hmm... perhaps something by roald dahl?
>>
Holding out for this one
>>
>>25090345
notes from the underground obviously

Has anyone read Sade's Journey to Italy?
1 reply omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089191
Now you can place the SUCK AND FUCK version next to them on your bookshelf.
>>
>>25089191
I've been reading Goethe's Italian Journey (I am the Anon who's been making threads about it for months). It's a pretty fun read. Very interesting to read how productive Goethe was in Italy.
>>
>>25089191
Don't forget to get Stendhal's to complete your collection. Seems like people loved Journeying to Italy
>>
>>25089491
I still love journeying to Italy. If I could snap my fingers and be in Florence right now, I would.
>>
It’s on the list, surprised someone else mentioned it. I also recommend the collection of prison letters, they do a good job not humanizing him exactly, but at least add some worth to his literary output, since there seemed to be a brain behind it, quite an interesting one.

File: file.png (1014 KB, 644x1000)
1014 KB
1014 KB PNG
I've finished this book and i understood nothing at all. I've never in my entire life felt as much as a brainlet as i feel now. Please spoonfeed me some resources to understand what the fuck i am supposed to take away from FW
20 replies and 2 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089368
stop it with the reddit spacing
>>
>>25089267
you don't get anything
>>
>>25089270
thank you for translating, i don't speak retard
>>
File: 31069563946_4.jpg (52 KB, 800x586)
52 KB
52 KB JPG
>>25090140
Restored Edition Penguin Classics
>>
>>25088928
I saw a theatrical recitation of it on youtube that actually allowed me to underatand parts of it in a way that audiobooks and annotations can't fully replicate.

File: download (5).png (931 KB, 880x1392)
931 KB
931 KB PNG
Boring, vapid, redundant and infantilizing. Maybe I would have enjoyed it a little more if I were a hormonal pencildick like the main character.
30 replies and 1 image omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089791
fitting in yet, esl?
>>25089824
what trouble? he's just a d
>>
>>25088674
Franny and zooey is his best book imo
>>
>and that just killed me, haha
>says this a thousand more times
BRAVO
>>
>>25089797
i always thought the meaning of the title was similar to that of the "sneeds feed and seed" joke where
he uses "if a body catch a body coming through the rye" .
I'm sorry for low iq take but
either catcher becomes fucker in the rye or ... i can't quite wrap my head around this metamorphosis.
I still want to second that the folk song is somehow the key to the understanding of what's been told. Masons are involved for sure, but "JOE ATWILL The Freemason In The Rye" is too far fetched, somehow.
>sodomized guy killed himself by jumping out of a window
i never gave this a big attention bc so many memoirs (Joice, Celine, Houellbecq, russians, etc) display the utmost sadism and sodomy in the 'elite school' dormatories with suicides etc that this seem to be rather a norm.
I somehow think that the counterpoint of the novella is the corruption of the Holden Caulfield, although i can't put a finger on it.
>>
>>25090361
>many stories about masonic rites are written.

many such cases, I'm trying to write a novel at least 4 characters were raped. I'm even trying to reduce the amount of rape of it.

File: 7133.png (299 KB, 924x1864)
299 KB
299 KB PNG
Fuck this philistine hypocrite chud sophist Greek fuck. Fuck him! FUCK YOU PLATO!
13 replies and 3 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
>>25089744
I know that you are an amateur in this field, but I think you should know that Plato's academy evolved into a skeptic school.
>>
>>25089900
I don't think Nietzsche has any idea what even he means by "true world". Nietzscheans themselves get really dogmatic about "this" being "the only true world". But I cannot expect much from a man who clearly understood so little of the philosophers he croticized, most notably the stoics.
>>
>>25089726
nothing's obvious, retard
>>
>>25089706
People need to leave Plato in his cave. An over-hyped playwright who corrupts our view of antiquity and leaves us with deeply broken metaphysics and political ideas. He represents the death of Western Philosophy, we cannot resuscitate it while Plato continues to enjoy a good reputation. Congrats on breaking the programming, OP.
>>
>>25090166
He wouldn't even like "the only true world" as "only" is diminutive and "true" dichotomous, ironically his "this" I read as broad enough to encompass parts of metaphysics

File: IMG_1925.jpg (238 KB, 1320x1513)
238 KB
238 KB JPG
>write a book that you claim is about the dangers of charismatic, dictatorial leadership
>one problem though
>your protagonist’s enemies are all evil psychopath pedophile rapists and evil Illuminati incest pedophiles.
???? Was Frank retarded?
13 replies omitted. Click here to view.
>>
I agree. In my opinion, Dune does not sell Paul as a charismatic dictator and neither does it set the danger of the great jihad ahead. Maybe it made sense in Frank's head but the reader is only recently born into that world and doesn't yet understand all the mythos that might have been clear to Frank. We saw the danger Paul was in, the corruption of the Emperor and the Harkonen. Paul magically understanding that he must also do a great evil to win doesn't make it that clear to us. Dune is relatively short, I think he could have spend a few thousand words on the tragedies brought on by Paul's leadership in Arakis so the reader can begin to see what it was all about.
>>
>>25086907
Yeah the Harkonnens, especially the Baron, are almost cartoonishly evil, it's hard NOT to look heroic when they're your protagonist's enemies. Also the Emperor is overtly treacherous towards Leto from the start.
>>
>>25089024
>only delaying the inevitable collapse a few decades and letting MUCH worse people helm it
This isn't what happened though and Paul's foresight was never completely accurate. The only thing that was certain is that his entire family and the freemen would be wiped out on Arrakis if he didn't make the choices he did.
>>
>>25089793
I don't think there was any real possibility of the Fremen being wiped out. The sardaukar had been openly attempting that since the fall of the dukedom, and it wasn't effective at all. On top of that the Harkonnens were explicitly planning to recruit them as a fighting force through various manipulations. Hawat at least was pretty sure it would work.
Now admittedly we get very little insight into what Paul knows about alternate futures, it is very possible he doesn't know, but as a mentat it's at least reasonable for him to reach the same conclusion. But he does feel the human-universe clamoring for cataclysmic violence, which is the "terrible purpose" he keeps alluding to. I'm of the opinion that he thought he initially leaned in thinking he could avert the jihad entirely, but eventually realized it was inevitable (like from the beginning) and decided to lean in with the hope he could at least curtail it.
>>
God Emperor of Dune clears unfortunately

"The Death of /wg/" Edition

Previous: >>25059976

/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
RESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

Please limit excerpts to one post.
Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.
Discuss the written works below for practice; contribute, and you shall receive.
If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.
Shitposters should be ignored and reported.

Beginner guides on writing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM

Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
41 replies and 6 images omitted. Click here to view.
>>
https://pastebin.com/2yAu1DW6
got around to writing some more
the first scene with an extended amount of dialogue, I'm not sure how well it all flows though, especially the first paragraph feels rough
>>
Could I ask for feedback on a piece of fanfiction I am writing?

Throughout highschool and college I scraped through any class that involved writing. The fact that I didn't like reading back then didn't help either. But over the past year, I've fallen in love with fanfiction, and it led me to start learning how to write.

I can look back to where I started and see that I've improved. But at this point, I think I need actual feedback and constructive criticism.
>>
>>25090271
>“‘Uncle Grey’?” chimed in Appius. “I didn’t know you had any children, Grey.”
Do you not know what an uncle is? Appius could remark “I thought you were an only child.”
I struggled to stick with it through the first paragraph but I’ll say it ended better than how it started. It’s a perfectly fine first draft, but when you revise you need to ask yourself “what’s the point?”
Your first paragrph’s point seems to be establishing your main character is an autistic faggot who suffers a panic attack by being in a crowd. A crowd which you go to great lengths to describe before really introducing the reader to the autistic faggot. This leaves me with no real interest in him since the story isn’t interested in him.
I would advise flipping the focus. Don’t start with the crowd. Start with him and his mission (need to meet military contact). Give me some sense of how he feels about this (excited to have a big job? curious why the military picked him? Fearful he’s not a military man. Frustrated they gave him retardedly vague instructions of who to meet and where? That doesn’t seem military like.)
Instead autistic faggot just drifts from his panic attack into a conversation with a stranger under the moronic assumption that the first stranger he meets must be the military contact? And also he’s a very pretty young man.
I assume this is leading to porn. If not, radically reconsider this opening.
>>
>>25090097
Take it as the advice from a guy who wrote 100+ books you autistic spaz!
>>
>>25090352
oh god your right, sorry I definitely meant only child
and the scene is part of an ongoing story, the scene prior was a boat trip with a lot of his introspection so I thought a nice bit of external focus to give an idea of the new setting would be good before returning to the character
and it's part of the intro to a romance story, so I think the focus is appropriate
thanks for the catch about what Uncle means lol, easy brain fart


[Advertise on 4chan]

Delete Post: [File Only] Style:
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]
[Disable Mobile View / Use Desktop Site]

[Enable Mobile View / Use Mobile Site]

All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster. Comments are owned by the Poster.