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tiny caestles
smol und cozy
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Nice comfy thread op.
If you like small castles and want to build some yourself I can recommend the vidya "going medieval"
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Wtf is the point of these? Its been proven that villagers could just siege them with pitchforks and slay the nobles
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awww
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>>61497302
not sure how small is small and how big you can go and still be comfy
But my cities castle, het Gravensteen isn't that big.
Fu fact students once occupied it in protest against rising beer prices and the cops getting less distinct uniforms. And every year they still have a table-round with about 200 people in the knights hall, very cosy, 10/10, would get absolutely shitfaced and wipe out on the slick wet cobblestones again.
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It's a ruin in real life, but Talmberg from Kingdom Come is a pretty comfy place
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>>61497302
That's just a house with some extra walls
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A few centuries of renovations and additions later.
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>>61497884
And your mum offers extra services, what's your point?
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Probably not the most well-defended, but I used to work at this
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>>61497302
The return of my favorite thread. I can't wait for someone to ask "how does the guy get down from there" and we all rush to answer.
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>>61497814
sauce
this model of Aydon castle
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>Tfw could have been in the line of inheritance for this estate if the French hadn't burnt it down in the 1600's and bankrupted my family back then
I'd have to commit fratricide at an insane rate to make it to the front of the line but the possibility would have been nice...
Fun fact, previously-kaiser Wilhelm II stayed here for a few months after his abdication post-ww1
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here's a local one
its a comfy hangout spot
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>>61497901
>not the most well-defended
>surrounded by water on three sides
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>>61497938
and how it looks today
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>>61497910
you can clearly see the stairs, they're above the wattle and daub building
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>>61497302
what kind of foodstuff would they have stored there?
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>>61497952
smoked, cured, dried meat
salt pork
cheese, hard cheeses at least and perhaps blue cheeses if they had a cold cellar
root vegetables in root cellar
grains
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>>61497923
>sauce
It's a model on display at Miliseum in Sweden, no specific castle mentioned and thus possibly not meant to be a model of any specific old castle.
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So perhaps not all that small, but it's what is/was locally(ish) available.
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>>61497884
Yes. That's a Manor. The most common type of castle.
Just the home of the small local lord whole rules over maybe just two or three villages a warehouse and a small wall to protect it against bandits.

The garrison is maybe just a dozen men or so.
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It's not that good to own a full castle. You always think you need it, but it never comes out the way you wanted. It's better to find joy in what you have and to never try to change anything, because better always ends up being worse. You should work hard and buy the most expensive everything. If you don't have the nicest everything that exists at every second, you're missing something. You are owed that. Some guys don't need help. I have a moderate dose of redpills which I'll be posting 15 minutes from now. Grab a cold one and prepare. Up after this we will be discussing if you really NEED to be building walls. I think, we could just let them all in. They're not pretty.
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>>61497985
>you dont need a castle, just keep your wealth undefended
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>>61497992
We will only be in the forges for a temporary amount of time. After we die is when the real life starts. We've been called here. We've been working. We've been forging steel. We've been building skyscrapers. You will be sent to the office of light to file reports for $40 an hour. My office slaves are warriors of pure nightmares and are trained killers. This is a temporary contract to forge steel bars used to make spoons. We've been called here with a horn to work in the forge to forge more warriors of light. To forge more rice. To forge more skyscrapers. We will continue forging.
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>>61497302
better rent than own
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>>61498028
Aww sweet, morning coffee with a heaping spoonful of schizo
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SAY HULLO TO MY LITTLE FRIEND
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>>61497302
Does that even count as a castle? It's more like a mountain fort.
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>>61498079
lol so randum
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>>61498079
No it's all true, we've been enslaved by pure evil. There will be no unpaid sex while we're made to work in the forges of light. Stolen from the flowers of the twistingly confused ethos these screaming spics will be sent to the forges of fire where we're made to forge spoons for 20 cents an hour. Under the light we march. Were screaming. It can't be worse than working. Lol it's actually. What the fuck is this? What the fuck is this? Hello? What the fuck is this?
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>tfw you will never be a noble with a castle and harass peasants from it
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>>61498127
>harass
look at those fields
can you work them?
no
the peasants do
they work for you
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>>61497826
Give the peasants a place to hide when vikings/ other raiders show up. Keeping peasants safe makes them much less likely to break out the pitchforks and torches.
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>LIVE IN THE TINY CASTLE
>EAT THE GOAT CHEESE
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>>61497884
just perfect
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>>61498127
>mistreating your work force
God does not smile on cunts, remember that.
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>>61497302
Broch tower house and fort.
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any games besides minecraft where its fun to build castles?
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>>61498928
The local lord gets to fuck your wife on your wedding night and everything else is just cope. Don't ever forget that.
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>>61497873
there's a house there now (some guy actually built his normal ass house on the site of the keep), the courtyard and the passage under the portcullis are just green paths
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>>61498954
That was very uncommon actually
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>>61498954
>get booted by the king when your peasants start complaining too much.
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gyatt damn
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>>61497849
>>61497852
Roman?
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>>61498976
I don't want o derail this thread too much because it's cool, but if it's so uncommon, why is it all over European mythology? It's referenced literally thousands of times in folk stories from Ireland to Poland which at the very least shows that it was a pressing anxiety for medieval peasants. But why would it be such an anxiety making thing if it didn't happen?
By the way, the whole "it never happened" thing mostly seems to come from victorian bong historians who censored shitloads of history anyway and were probably shocked to the core by the level of state mandated cuckoldry going on.

>>61498980
King then takes over fucking women on their wedding night
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For me its the Roman era.

A line of these bois from the Netherlands to Vienna. Then hillforts through the balkans. Then more of these bois along the Danube. Then a whole other defensive belt through the Levant.
>you will never be a Roman in the 2nd century
Bro's, its hurts.
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>>61497926
>I'd have to commit fratricide at an insane rate to make it to the front of the line but the possibility would have been nice...
I see your monarchian instinct is alive and kicking in you. Had you been born a few hundred years later we would probably hear of you in the history books
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>>61499036
Do you think historians in 300 years will believe that there were zombie hordes roaming around because so much 21st century media featured them?
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>>61497945
I fully support renovating castles to their original state, idgaf. I want to see some cool interiors
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>>61497926
One of my ancestors drank the socialism Kool aid and transferred his estates to peasants. If he had waited just a few years commies would steal it from him anyway and I would be eligible for compensation now.
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>>61499036
Media hype, literally. It's referenced all over the place but the many extant examples we have of laws and customs make no mention of it whatsoever. just as it is today, when you want to vilify someone (like a noble, in this case) you prescribe barbaric customs to them
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>>61499175
I recently found out one of my ancestors was a Norman Knight that fought and died in the battle of Shrewsbury alongside Percy of Northumberland. Kinda cool, his son carried the title Esquire so he probably got fucked by the king for his father
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>>61499248
>you prescribe barbaric customs to them
The word is ascribe, anon, ascribe. Prescribing is very different.
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>>61497390
Why did they do this to such a gorgeous piece of history???
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>>61499030
Swedish, Castle Tre Kronor in Stockholm, ca 1300. It gradually grew into >>61497885 at which point (1697) it burnt down and the current castle was (slowly) built at the site instead.
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>>61497826
Hoard a regions taxes and stuff until they get transferred.
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Best castle here.
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>>61497926
I think my great grandfather worked in the gardens there during the interwar period.
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>>61499941
That workshop seems to be much larger and the windows dont fit...
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>>61499990
https://www.filmlocations-bayern.com/searchlocation/Toppler-Miniature-Castle/
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>>61499272
Based. My oldest family namesake fought at Hastings and was given a manor in Kent for distinguished service (it doesn’t exist anymore and we are all Appalachian hicks now)
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>>61500158
Can relate, I'm factory worker who happens to be a direct descendent of some crazy dude from Wallachia who brutalized a bunch of turks. Vlad III, he inspired some book or something.
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>>61499872
Doesnt Enya live in that castle?
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My second choice would be a Flak tower.
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>>61497302
As I understand it, tiny castles were pretty common. A King would fund a hundred tiny castles all over the landscape and put loyal men in charge of them. You'd only need a dozen trained men to hold one and it wasn't possible to capture even a small castle without some kind of siege equipment.
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>>61497302
Do we count Tulou? They're more like fortified appartment blocks, tho.
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>>61500357

no they are not. most of those are used to be functioning as silos. Chinese army used to raid them by attaching simple hand-grenades, which made holes in weak walls.
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>>61499900
i like this
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>>61497948
No no no, not that one, there's another picture people post in every single one of these threads that always gets the same chain of responses going.
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>>61500528
Bro you are supposed to put the castle inside the walls, not outside.
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>>61497302
>caestle
is it actually a "caestle" in any language?
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>>61500803
It's Beautiful.
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>>61500614
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Mediterranean cypress (pencil pine)?
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>>61498091
>Maybe I overdid it with the glacis...
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>>61499036
There's been several books about that subject, Claude Gauvard wrote about it for instance.
Basically, it has a lot to do with Enlightenment propaganda that tried to paint the older times as backwards and they invented the "Wedding's night right" on the basis of a real tax that existed in the late middle ages, where the newlyweds had to pay to the Lord for him to register the wedding into the books. The payment was usually in nature (ie, food) and it was thus extrapolated that it was the new bride's virginity that was at stake.

In French, the term is "droit de cuissage", but it comes from "droit de culage" "cul" in this sense means "at the end of" (like "queue", tail), hence, the end of the crops.

In fact, back in these times, the Church still had a major influence and the sacrality of the marriage and the importance of virginity was really not something for even a local lord to fuck over. In fact again, there were several fragging of lords who have been known to harass or violated virgins. Back when it was important, people didn't laugh about it.

But basically in the 18th century and later, the Middle Ages became the Dark Ages and such a thing was created to paint such a picture. See the Wedding of Figaro for instance.
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>>61501279

This is interesting. Is there a book you would recommend on these changes?
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>>61498941
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>>61500336
you're thinking of fiefs
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>>61497302
>>61497310
whats that wooden enclosure behind the stone walls?
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>>61501444
As I said, look for Claude Gauvard for instance, but it'll be in French. I read "Passionnément Moyen Âge - Plaidoyer pour le petit peuple" and there's a bit on it. I don't have anything in english.
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>>61497826
>Wtf is the point of these?
Act as an extortion point on a river or trade route or shelter for a garrison
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>>61498127
that looks cozy af, have a little espresso in the piazza
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>>61498947
Vintage story.
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>>61497302
Hows this
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Loved this map on endwar
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>>61497417
Yeah.. a castle with a huge hole in the side is going to be real good at stopping attackers.. sure...
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>>61502672
It's actually a gigantic hyper-realistic mural painted on the walls of the castle to make it look like there's a hole there, to funnel the attackers in to the most advantageous position for the defenders.
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>>61497302
Site your granary Sire!
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>>61497956
>melting cheese over cured meat on a bagel with some red onion
mmm
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>>61500357

Absolutely. Those things were well-designed and well-defended.
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Being part of a minor lords garrison sounds fun. Just chilling in the castle with the boys, cruising for pussy on the weekends, and maybe getting some good loot when the realm goes to war.
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>>61498028
>>61498117
Honestly I'm not even amused by you faggots anymore

Shut the fuck up forever
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>>61498941
That looks super comfy
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>>61503190
It sure as hell would be warm. Double layer walls is the best insulation you can get for that time period.
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Get off mah river
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>>61502836
slubberdegullion
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>>61498111
A castle is a fortified dwelling space. It doesn't matter if that's a barracks or just a single family home, or an entire walled village. If people live there and it's fortified, it's a castle.
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>>61501613
Soccer ball retention barrier
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>>61499119
That's what SARS and COVID will be remembered as in 400 years, yeah.
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>>61497302
Celtic hill forts or Castros Celtas in Iberia must have been so cozy.
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>>61501279
So in other words what you're saying is that progressive revisionist bullshit has been around for awhile.
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>>61503938
>So in other words what you're saying is that progressive revisionist bullshit has been around for awhile.

Millenia in fact, just like the myth of Achilles and Patroclus being lovers or Alexander the Great having a gay lover, noticing a pattern?
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A reconstructed segment of the front gate of wu zetians palace. It kinda looks like a castle.
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>>61501279
>In fact again, there were several fragging of lords who have been known to harass or violated virgins

Could you elaborate on these examples? Curious to know
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>>61503779
>t. a castle
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>>61501613
servants quarters, kitchen, storage
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>>61503938
Evil follows a pattern.
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>>61503254
its drystone though, there is no mortar
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>>61503938
>lazy film making is a vasy conspiracy
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>>61504560
Beware the fields of Guedelon, they are patrolled by a fierce enemy
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how much would it cost to build such small caste? with modern machinery and materials (to a point, walls still need to be stone blocks, interior can be whatever)
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>>61504634
there have been two attempts in the US that floundered for lack of funds
Guedelon in France, >>61504560, has operated with donations and volunteers and taken 20 years
so you're looking in the millions
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>>61504634
>interiors can be whatever
sacrilege
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>>61503938
History IS revisionism at its core anyway, that's the whole point of the discipline, to examine and re-examine the past.
Now the idea of Enlightenment as "progressive" is certainly a misnomer though the 18th certainly is the gateway to the idea of progress, which is hardly a bad thing. The enlightenment is the birth of modernity and a whole slew of great things, but they were the slaves of previous practices, and the demonisation of the previous times is a typical manner to paint your own movement, back then and still now.

historical propaganda has always been around, that's a given.
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>>61504109
As I said, you would have to look at Gauvard's work, I don't have it in my hands right now, but she does mention one or two cases of a lord effectively trying to impose himself on a virgin nubile girl and him basically being lynched by the villagers with the support of the local clergy.
She describes the four major crimes of the late Middle-Ages as such: premeditated assassination (killing in a duel or a tavern brawl doesn't count), rapture of a virgin, blasphemy and arson. Raping a woman who had had children or even a child who couldn't yet bear children was in effect way less enforced, see Vigarello ("Histoire du Viol") for that matter. Nevermind that some classes like prostitutes or vagrants couldn't even legally fought against rape at all.

In these cases of virginal rapture, there is still a strong case of the traditional opposition between the small local clergy and the local nobility.
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>>61504655
Guedelon was expressly NOT built with modern machinery and materials.
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>>61498941
Looks like a setting for a ghibli movie.
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>>61504634
A lot keep in mind you'd need a team of masons to dress all those stones for the wall. Even done roughly and with power tools it would still take a decent chunk off time.
>why dress the wall stones when you can get the straight cut from the quarry
because quarry stones aren't of the right size and wouldn't fit together to make a proper castle looking castle.

>>61504838
for all the lack of resources to prove a rape and the different definitions of rape used back then.
They did not fuck around with the punishment.
My city had a brief (16 year) period of boiling their rapists.
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>>61504784
>gateway to the idea of progress
Whig history
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>tfw you have to end your perpetual stew because they want to boil the village rapist in it for going over his rape quota

Just another month and it was really going to get a nice onion flavor, too...
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where is the ditch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ASEr7rfGYfg
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cute
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>>61504659
>my chamber maids truly there are knyghts who live thus
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>>61504784
>everything I dont like is a conspiracy
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>>61504838
wasn't rape often treated as a property crime with the male guardian receiving financial compensation?
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>>61504938
Yes that's pretty much always the case when the victim isn't a nubile virgin, but as Vigarello's shown, it was simply most often not prosecuted at all, maybe the two men arrange this between themselves. Lots of times, the woman was the one being punished, including children.
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>>61504917
>whig history
Not my point which is that there is an history to the idea of progress itself, which was embodied with stuff like positivism and in fact, what you call Whig history itself. It's debatable if the Enlightenment movement positioned itself as "progressive" though it certainly is one of the basis of those who later will call themselves in favor of progress.

But the idea of progress, the notion of progress hasn't always existed, thus calling something "progressive revisionist bullshit" needs to be put into this context. Does the Bourbon family calling themselves the descendants of troyans "progressive" considering they gave their ideal troyans certains values that helped making them feel more nobles? It's simply not a proper angle.

"Revisionism" being the central activity of history and of analytical sciences in general, I can't see how this is controversial.
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>>61504939
As primitive dwellings go that looks rather nice. I like the recessed bedding with curtains, a way of having some privacy.
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>>61497901
were you the manor’s designated rentboy?
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>>61497896
fuckin told
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>>61504516
Dang, then the double walled design makes it merely passable.
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>>61497926
Looks cold as fuck in the winter of our discontent.
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>>61506072
Ye of nowe
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>>61497858
>students once occupied it in protest against rising beer prices and the cops getting less distinct uniforms.
Yup, epic.
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>>61497443
Is that guy just stuck up there until someone brings a ladder?
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>>61507295
>until someone brings a ladder
Nobody is bringing a ladder. That is his home.
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>>61497945
>>61497945

what place is this, looks veeeeeery familiar
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Lot's of rapes in this one. Lord took young girls as a payment from his servants. Had all kinds of torture devices inside. Devil's tower indeed.
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>>61504838
>>61504938
This is pseudohistory.
It may seem foreign to the contemporary, but state-driven criminal justice wasn't the be-all-end-all, especially for small towns, hamlets, or villages.
A rapist would be emasculated and executed, not necessarily in that order, but there was more than one option available to the alleged rapist if he was in good standing with the parish and a mob didn't outright exact their own justice.
A common punishment option was exile from the parish until a pilgrimage was completed (not a state sanctioned execution or no punishment), whereby the person was effectively ejected from the community and left for dead to travel on the road with nothing but the clothes on their back since the pilgrimage was impossible to complete for most people.
The small surrounding communities are going to be highly suspicious of any travelers, especially strangers traveling alone without a purpose or entourage, so the person is likely to die to the elements and not receive any alms unless they can reach a city.

The pilgrimage would be to one of the many medieval shrines as a penitent, begging alms there and back, with the worst offenders being forced to make a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and all the shrines along the way.
Naturally most people were either bankrupted (you must travel with the means equal to your station, again an idea completely foreign to most today). There were also rules for how a penitent must travel like what you could wear, not allowed to enter inns, times of travel etc.

Finally, the entire medieval mindset is different. If you died on the trip unable to repent, that meant you were guilty of any alleged crimes. If you came back with your letters, then you were innocent. If didn't have the funds to 'donate' or purchase your letters then God willed it. You were guilty.
Like most retards, ya'll confuse abuses by the princes of the blood and their administration class with how the peasants treated with one another.
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>>61502563
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this is a good thread, thank you op
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is this thread viral marketing for manor lords or is that coincidence
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>>61498091
Nagoya?
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>>61504848
I don't think it's the tools that have been the bottleneck in progress; castles of Guedlon's model have been erected in a quarter of the time.
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I wanna smoke weed in the miedivl times and guard the castle and get high and ride horsies
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>>61507541
>this is pseudohistory
Well what are your sources my dear? I gave mine (Vigarello and Gauvard), two very respectable historians, one of which specialized in the legal affairs of the middle-ages.
She also wrote about peasant's honor in the very same book I mentioned and peasant's retribution.
So again, what are your sources? What you said is in fact absolutely not "foreign" but common sense.

Vigarello also has extensive sources in his book and there's no reason to believe that this sort of punishment was more common than deals between the men, in fact, plenty of such are described.
Peasants torturing and enacting their own justice would only be possible during times of large unrest (which did happen for sure) when the local authorities couldn't enact their priviledge of justice, otherwise, this is just torture and murder, something that certainly was reprehensible.

Finally, the base of the discussion was specifically "wedding night's right", which, as I have described, didn't exist as a right and not a common practice at all.

The idea that there was a paralegal peasant justice would need some source don't you think?
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>>61507541
>gets that criminal law started out as a private law affair
>doesn't grasp that the this evolved and by the early middle ages villages where already holding courts
nibba, pilgramages as punishment was defently a thing. But there where also monasteries, chapter houses ect about a days walk apart amongst the most trunk paths of the main pilgrimages you'd be sent on and those where there with but one goal, shelter and care for those on the pilgrimage.
Completing didn't make you innocent it meant you had done your punishment, they still knew that you had done this or that
also
>nobility
>just administrators
I think it is you how are failing spectacularly at grasping the medieval mindset
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>>61510897
>I don't think it's the tools that have been the bottleneck in progress; castles of Guedlon's model have been erected in a quarter of the time.
they're doing living history. trying to figure out how they did things based on archeological findings, and what is the best approach.
they're also doing a lot more than "just" the castle. they're doing almost everything related to the peasant community around the castle as well.
either way, it's not about speed, it's about learning and studying.

>>61507295
Walkway to his right.
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>>61497926
IKTF; never had any material claims, but one of my paternal great-grandfathers was a nobleman who apparently rode in the charge at the Battle of Vienna-- THAT Battle of Vienna, the largest cavalry charge in history.
Collapse of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth plus the Second Polish Republic abolishing nobility followed by WWII and communism means that there's absolutely no claims of any sort, so its just a fun family history fact.
Because my grandfather decided to move to Canada, its basically on par with all those Scottish-Americans who parade around in "their" clan tartans and claim to be related to William Wallace or the Stuart dynasty; I'd hate to be seen like that so I pretend to be surprised when real Poles or Ukrainians try bring up the subject after they learn my surname
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>>61507541
You fellows are acting as if there was one way of doing things across 1000 years times, across the entire continent.
There were many different customs and many different laws.
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It's a bit of a shame we have so few "real" examples, because a lot of the old castles were adapted across the years and obviously the defensive requirements changed greatly over time and because far less relevant.
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Something in those tiny fortifications speaks to me.
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a little too recent for the thread perhaps?
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not exactly "small"
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Hikone
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>>61498102
Thats mons meg innit?
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Let's have some fun lads
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>>61511548
>church
>paralegal
just lmao, the church had its own courts.
and fr*nkophiles need not apply, they take the church's powers for granted during this period because of the Avignon Papacy and beyond's French bias.

https://archive.org/details/ageofpilgrimage00jona
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>>61504483
Based Diogenes
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extremely comfy
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>>61499089
>I see your monarchian instinct is alive and kicking in you. Had you been born a few hundred years later we would probably hear of you in the history books
I'd risk it all for the chance to throw a mad rave in here
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If you fags are done with your cgi bullshit and ready for some fresh oc, just lmk?
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>tfw live in a castle

Its comfi exept from the mold and moisture ruining wood, deer now walk in my front yard which is nice
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>>61498102
Natalia uses her BIG gun while barefoot.
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>>61513380
>no french historians aren't relevant because a long time ago there was the Avignon Papacy.
>here read this Lord from what's still a still monarchic country where the monarch is also head of the Church.
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>>61504483
>"With an e-tool you can fortify anywhere you want," he said to himself, out loud.
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>>61497310
>Imagine the skeeters
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>>61513819
>Lord from what's still a still monarchic country where the monarch is also head of the Church.
Reformation didn't happen until the 16th century, retard frenchnigger.
The book covers well over 1000 years before the reformation.
Ever heard of the Angevin kings? England and France weren't so different in the 1200s.

Sumption wrote the best history of the Hundreds Year War, yet the francophiles you listed are just pop history footnote slurpers.
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>>61514358
Dude I live an hour from Angers... you don't need to tell me.

>Sumption wrote the best history of the Hundreds Year War, yet the francophiles you listed are just pop history footnote slurpers.
Yeah sure I can imagine, yet have you even read De Grace Especial? Gauvard is a specialist of crime and law in the late middle-ages in France, easily one of the most recognized medievalist in France. There's little reason to have an historian fight, it's not like Britain has any sort of monopoly in that regard.
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We can go smaller.
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>>61497819
Nigga that's only tiny in the sense that it's a scale model. IRL that'd be a huge ass fortification
>also
That's a star fort, not a castle
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>>61498941
One of these is still standing and you can go to the top of it, Mousa in Shetland. 2300 years old. Most the brochs have line of sight to at least one other, make of that what you will.
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>>61497819
Needs more layers
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I've always wondered what was the permanent population of a small castle like these? 50 or so?
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>>61498127
fuk u rip my nigga Wat Tyler he dindunuffin
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>>61513736
>ready for some fresh oc
Ok, nvrmnd
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>>61497826
Actually, villagers had a Bad Time trying to storm a castle and often didn't have the free time to siege them. What usually happened was that an invading army would have to commit manpower to surrounding out each castle and then be much weaker when facing the King and his Army.
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>>61497826
>just siege them
One word,
>Sallyways
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>>61515258
>One word
>Blows it
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>>61515258
SallyWAY(port)
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>>61501279
>>61504838
What I like most about modernity is that we're supposed to white knight for ex-porn sluts or fat 30 something single moms, as if we are medieval knights and they are nubile 14 year old virgins.
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Castles are so fucking cool
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>>61513791
>BIG
get out of here
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>>61508777
How about this
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>>61507404
divja loka
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>>61497390
>>61497386
>Lochore mentioned
Never thought I'd see the day.
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Any programs for building virtual castles with the proper degree of autism?
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>>61519203
Stronghold
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>>61516523
You'll be thunderstruck!
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>>61505253
I wish I was
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>>61497923
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>>61520400
>tfw you will never be a lowly knight or captain. Spending your time monging in your fort, supervising your three men-at-arms, 24 peasants, 10 sheep and 15 ducks and countless (horrid) chickens.

Bro's....
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>>61520566
>>61520587
Love the interior shots that let us see structural elements. My daytime dreaming requires me to know how I'd build it and these really help.

>>61520606
That chastity vow tho....
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>>61502815
the Wile E. Coyote school of castle defenses
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>>61520670
Where is this wonderful derelict building?
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>>61520850
Near Prague, its for sale https://www.chateau.cz/en/zamek-horin-prodej/
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>>61521008
tempting, but I'm currently saving to buy a 4090 and a argentinian mauser.
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>>61497302
>>61497310
God, imagine fucking a woman on the ramparts while taking in the scenery. it would be the best feeling in the world.
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>>61498983
How much money do you need to buy this place?
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>>61511501
>my dear?
lmao, this is such a gay way to act smug. Only some AIDS-ridden elder fag would write something likes this.
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>>61521932
Mont-Saint-Michel? I mean, its only one of the most famous tourist destinations on the planet, and it only costs 500 million USD to renovate it. The French government only fights back the entire ocean to keep it as it is. So I'm guessing maybe at least a few years wages, my dude.
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>>61515030
Is want to build something like this for my weekend cabin
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>>61518489

blizu....v mislih sem imel Višnjo Goro
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>>61497302
>tiny caestles
>smol und cozy
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I love castle threads on k, especially small castles
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This is a castle seedling. If you plant it on a mountain it will grow into a real castle.
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>>61521886
Cringe
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>>61500416
fucking retard. at least check before spouting bullshit

"The earth wall section was built with rammed earth together with lime-sand-clay mixture and reinforced with horizontal bamboo strips for lateral binding, rendering it as solid as that of a Western castle's. In 1934, a group of uprising peasants of Yongding County occupied a tulou to resist the assault of the army, which fired 19 cannon shots at that tulou, but made only a small dent on the outside wall."
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>>61497826
They present problems for invading armies because they’re hard targets that can keep food munitions and armed men, if you just decide to bypass them they can choose to attack your supply lines, if you try and siege or attack them you’ll have to put forward a bunch of resources to take it, maybe not so much for some of the really tiny ones itt but a good chunk
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>>61514647
no shit, I got pulled over in a speedboat on the intercoastal here...
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Why the fuck aren't rich people building castles or raising their own knights and regiments of foot anymore? It's just dumb mansions and big boats that look like shit. Rich people have no vision anymore.
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>>61498028
>>61498117
You aren't funny you aphasic spaz
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>>61525515
>Rich people have no vision anymore
>current rich people obsessions include doomsday bunkers, space colonization von braun style, space colonization o'neil style, and AGI
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>>61500214
Unironically would storm castle to do Enya.
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>>61521932
>He thinks he can just buy one of the holiest sites in all Christendom
Even if you were some billionaire, the French would not sell St. Michael's mountain, not at any price. You're welcome to go gawk at it with all the other tourists though, if you're not going to be a sincere pilgrim.
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>>61525653
Exactly, baby brained kids stuff.
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>>61525515
>people building castles or raising their own knights and regiments of foot anymore?
You need F16s and nukes for fighting now, you dumb faggot!
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>>61498983
Perfect medieval aesthetics, absolute perfection etc. And great place to visit.
But NEVER do it during summer.
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>>61499130
One of the castles near me, Stirling Castle, is painting the interior as it was. Quite garish but cooler than bare rock
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>>61510897
To add to what >>61511647 said, the Guedelon staff also spend a lot of time talking to tourists and school children to explain how things work and how they build the castle, it's neat. Sometimes they will add an unplanned sideprojects like a watermill (based on a recent archaeological find).
Castles could be built really fast depending on funding and how far you would push the workers. Château Gaillard famously took only 2 years.
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How many troops did it usually take to siege one of these tiny castles?
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>minor lord, no Duke, Prince or King
>build the largest keep in Europe because he wanted to flex
>180 feet tall
>114 feet wide
>it somehow survives the medieval era, the wars of the Renaissance, the Revolution...
>wounded but sill standing
>Ludendorff has it dynamited in 1917 out of spite
I will always be mad.
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>>61528024
Take the number of fighters in the castle and add an arbitrary number such that they don't get the idea to sally out. Most castles had a permanent complement of very few armed men, like at most a dozen for even the larger castles in this thread.
Obviously if you want to take it by storm, you have to bring far more. And whatever civilians have hidden inside the castle might fight on the defence as well.
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>>61528194
Based
fuck the french and their castles, they destroyed all of ours in the 30 years war too.
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>>61528216
It was Sweden.
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>>61528220
Paid by the french.
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>>61528237
They were paid to kill Spanish, anything else can't be blamed on France.
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>>61501613
Tard quaters, They keep the inbred locals back there so when the castle gets attacked the enemy will only focus on 3 directions as having to fight the tards offensively is a very bad idea.
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>>61520776
Don't laugh.
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>>61513930
>Tangos could be here, he thought. I hate tangos. Hunter Six Actual blared in his ears as government-issue MRE Kool-aid coursed through his veins. "In the army, you can go anywhere they send you."
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>>61520364
FYI when it's a hypothetical, that's the subjunctive tense and you say "I wish I were."



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