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/thg/ is a thread for the discussion of tanks and other tracked and armored vehicles. Please keep discussion civil and cite sources.

Identifying T-54-3 and other early T-54 variants.

The T-54-3 was the third production model T-54 series tanks to be adopted by the Soviet Union. Being such an early variant they are missing a number of features that the latter T-54A, T-54B and T-55 series tanks would have. First produced in 1951 the T-54-3 would see export, notably to Finland, Lebanon and Syria.

The main identifying features of the T-54-3 (T-54 Mod. 1951) are the five roadwheels (common to the T-54/55 series), the dome shaped ventilator on the turret (common to the T-54 series), the standard T-54/55 eggshell shaped turret (introduced with the T-54-3) and most notably the lack of a fume extractor on the barrel (common to the early variants). Earlier T-54 variants can be identified by the T-44 style turret and narrow tracks (500mm compared to later 580mm) of the T-54-1 (T-54 Mod. 1947). The T-54-2 (T-54 Mod. 1949) has flattened turret sides and a slight overhang at the rear of the turret. While neither the T-54-1 nor T-54-2 were exported in large numbers, as they were only produced in relatively small numbers, they did see action in the 1967 war as part of the armies of Egypt and Syria.
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>>35554217
>You will never buy an M1A1 for $133,000
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>>35568061
It sounds like it's only the hull and engine, no turrets or weapons.
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>>35568487
I guess that would make sense, but having a hull would still be rad
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>>35568508
I'd strip it down, throw a windshield on it, and have the world's only convertible tank.
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Don't you die on me

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How the fuck does something like this happen?
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>>35568556
>said man hours. Not meaning it takes weeks to maintain it, it takes hundreds of personnel a day or 2.
So it takes 400 personnel 1000 hours per hour at sea? Or 4000 personnel 100 hours per hour at sea? GTFO
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>>35569426
>>35569502
>>35570507

Stop it reddit. Pepsi was given decommissioned, serviceable, unseaworthy naval vessels that were sold and scrapped before they even reached the United States.
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>>35568323
This is photo from 2009. One of them boats is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-431
It stayed berthed without maintenance 24 years.
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>>35568556
You're an imbecile as well as being wrong.
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>>35570435
The Los Angeles class also dates to the '70s, outnumbers the Oscars by a factor of almost 5, and none have ever been lost despite a couple dozen still being in active service.

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>Be American
>Replace B-29 with fancy pants jet bomber

30 years later
>Replace B-52 with fancy pants supersonic bomber
>Cancel supersonic bomber because it's a dumb idea that went obsolete before they thought of it
>Replace B-52 with fancy pants spooky triangles
>Cancel most units of spooky bomber because Soviets gave up the ghost and strategic bombers haven't been relevant since Vietnam
>Restart supersonic bomber because only thing that wastes more public money than a democrat is a California republican

>30 years later
>Replacing B-2 with budget version spooky triangles
>Keep B-52 in service despite it rivaling BP as the biggest fuel waster in Louisiana
>Keep B-1 in service because an absurd failed abortion with wings is still cheaper to fly than the other 2


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Where do Chicago's guns come from?
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>>35567181
Doesn't that just mean you ban guns nationwide? It only proves that a city with gun control surrounded by no gun control states doesn't work.
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>>35567408
Why did you marry a 14 year old?
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>>35569610
>easy bait is easy
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>>35567445
Jesus Christ I think the tectonic plates shifted from that knee jerk
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>>35569685
Why wouldn't you?

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Why did the Americans allow the Russians to take the lead in the Airborne Tank race?

Hell, the Americans don't even have an airborne tank!
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>>35570472
i dont know why, but im getting a "maintenance hell" vibe from this
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>>35570446
Because a dedicated big gun has it's place
>>35570448
>hurr
>>35570460
Same reason why MBT's still have a gun and not just an ATGM launching tube.
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>>35570488
>hurr

A tank and IFV have to different roles and are designed to fit these roles.
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>>35570503
An airborne tank isn't a fucking MBT just like it isn't an IFV. It's a specialized vehicle. Why is this so fucking hard for you to get your mind around?
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>>35570534
Because a tank needs to be mobile the way IFVs are not and needs a greater degree of protection. Also why is it so hard for you to realize this concept was a dead end decades ago because no air force in the world would attempt heavy cargo drops anywhere near enemy territory due to the development of AAMs and SAMs that have far longer ranges and the proliferation of manpads?

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Let's talk cartridges, /k/.
What makes a cartridge effective at range?
What decides a bullet's killing ability?
What cartridges do you like and for what purpose

just a general thread about ballistics i guess
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It's not the most exciting answer, but it really doesn't matter much because there is so much overlap in capability.
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>>35569787
Which knocks people down. Big holes from big bullets.
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>>35569910
You, my friend, just made an argument for home defense cannons.
>not sure if boner or absolute disgust
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>>35569950
Home defense cannons will actually make sense in a few decades when cyborgs are common. You don't use bullets meant for fleshy targets against people with metal bodies. When mecha-trayvon straps big inch thick plates of AR-500 to himself you're going to need 14.5 or 20mm to get through it in a single hit.
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>>35569181
>What makes a cartridge effective at range?
Internal and external ballistics. Internal is concerned with the launching of the projectile, so bullet grain, the amount of powder, the length of the barrel, and barrel twist affect the velocity and energy of the bullet. Higher weight means higher energy, but generally slower velocity. Lighter bullets tend to have a lower energy, but higher velocity, and better retain their energy and velocity out to longer distances. This crosses over into external ballistics: the projectile in flight. Bullet shape also affects this. The most aerodynamic bullet would be a really long, heavy, needle, but there's a reason we don't use that shape, and that's because of terminal ballistics: what happens when the projectile hits something. You want your projectile to do as much damage as possible. A heavy needle might just go through your target, and not tear anything up. A large, hard, target is going to require a different bullet than a small, soft, target, which would require a different bullet for a soft target behind protection

It really depends on what you want your bullet to do.

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Have any of you /k/ommandos accidentally showed how much you know about guns and shit to normies.

I'll start
>be APUSH couple years back
>teacher says 2nd amendment didn't include repeating or automatic guns and just meant single shot shit
>raise my hand
>mention the Giridoni air rifle, puckle gun, etc and explain them all and their actions and capabilities
>mention that TJ himself assigned Lewis and Clark with Giridonis to carve their way westaward
>anon why do you know so much about guns
>get weird glances
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>>35570438
Holy shit lol
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>>35567359
A lot poorer than if I was in another state. I own a couple dozen firearms of which I probably would have actually purchased 5 of. There's always a new panic to get you to spend money.

EOY 2013: C&R cash and carry ends, long gun info not retained by state ends
EOY 2014: SSE (way around the "safe handgun roster") ends
EOY 2015: There was probably something but I don't remember what it was
EOY 2016: Magazine lock guns are now assault weapons
EOY 2017: online ammo sales ends
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>>35570495
>mfw Phil Murphy ads come on
If I see that smug cunt again I'm going to kiss guns and regulate babies.
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>>35567326
Here's a better argument:
>the first amendment didn't include radios, televisions or the internet
>the fourth amendment existed before the advent of modern day terrorism
Etc.
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>>35570564
It's literally just going to be pain and suffering for at least the next 4 years, isn't it? Anyone know where I can buy some cheap woodland with a trailer on it in Pennsylvania?

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>>35569594
Hey man, you can believe whatever you want. I don't believe phone photos belong in a gun porn thread unless they happen to tick every box of quality.
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>>35569601
Yes it is a cooled infrared scope
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>>35569664
How about this one?
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>>35569954
That's not bad at all
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We're approaching 12 years since the F-22 has entered service and not a single other "power" has managed to field a competitor yet. What gives?
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>>35568669
No one else cares, the principle threat facing nation states is insurgency. A ww2 spitfire armed with guided weapons would be as effective as an f35.
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>>35569909
lol
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>>35569909
not with its fuel capacity, counter mrsures, sensor suite, ect master b8r

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I am in college (full ride) and am looking at working in a sector where typical work week is 60+ hrs a week, not really any days off. Thinking I should just graduate, go to police academy and do the other stuff I am studying now part time or after I retire (could retire at 47 with pension in my city's PD). I like the idea of working 40 hrs and actually being able to spend my days on my feet, get exercise before or after work (lift a lot) and gain actual street/social/tactical knowledge rather than just analytical work (can do that as a consultant). Plus our department pays a really good salary for the cost of living locally (super low).

Thoughts? is this a shitty job? I am pretty calm under pressure but I hear there is very little weapons training and that seems strange.
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>dropping out of a full-ride scholarship to become an angsty retarded LEO with a buzzcut and an inferiority complex like 90% of America's police

Well, you're certainly got the stupidity to be an LEO, I say you go for it.
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>>35570532
Not dropping out, I have one year left. Would just finish and then apply for the job.

I don't think it would be a waste of a degree because the knowledge can be applied after work but I wouldn't drop out

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what happens if this shoots you?
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Not a GAU8, but an apache 30mm. So take this, and boost up the power by a bit. Fun times!

https://youtu.be/SHPURnsNPew
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>>35563867
For T-72
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>>35563831
no one really answered so i'll give it a shot

if an a10 it's attacking you, it's unlikely he'll get a direct hit, but it fires a mix of HE and AP ammo that will upon impact launch shrapnel all around you which will be similar to getting shot by thousands of small caliber bullets

if you get hit directly by a 30 mm AP bullet in the chest, it won't slow down much or tumble inside of you, a large cavity will form behind the penetrator which will crush your internal organs and fracture all bones nearby as it expands and contracts again, it will be a clean entry wound and a clean exit wound, but your insides will be ravaged in a large volume
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>>35568614
also it won't send your corpse flying backwards or anything because the bullet won't transfer much energy to you

now with a 30 mm hollow point bullet... you'd probably get shredded in half
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>>35568666
Thank you Satan, I now know what I’m making my gf for Valentine’s Day.

can we get /k/ollection of /k/ photos going here people?
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>>35570182
He got dat bling yo
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>Operating music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ek9Nkdoh5E
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>>35568620
>wimpy
Blame Anno for that shit, fucker ruins everything he touches.
>JSSDF
Those guys were unprofessional as fuck, carrying shit weapons and 3 of their guys got rekt by a chick with a 9mm handgun. If NERV had security forces worth a fiddlers fuck they would have trolled them.
>pic
Art from the Continuation of Evangelion, before Anno got involved, he wanted the Rebuild movies.
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>>35568362
Nice choice. EVA was a steaming pile of putrid excrement, but the ost was solid as fuck. Here's mine:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Tc8iu0XFUQc
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vp_4vc-btI
I for one am welcoming the fact that we're slipping into the Metal Gear timeline.
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https://youtu.be/z5bG0Vq0-dk

https://youtu.be/Ed79L3wQu38

https://youtu.be/bA0X_bn0MoI

https://youtu.be/JDSPAPOUU0U
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_SQeYBavo&feature=youtu.be

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I feel like /ak/ people are happier than /ar/ people.

Pic related, my AK.

/discuss
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>>35570095
my grandmother owns a 10/22
she loves that fucking thing
anything else to her is "goddamn overkill"
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>>35563165
>use a 5.56 AK in SHTF in America
>run out of replacement parts
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>>35570404
Mags maybe but it's not like you're going to shoot enough or live long enough to wear out an AK. Or an AR for that matter.
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>>35567649

which most ak owners on 4chins cannot afford. Most of the guys on /akg/ are still trying to convince themselves that their el cheapo parts kit gun is actually worth a damn
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>>35570479
How much do you think a parts kit AK costs?

Ever wished you joined another branch or just switch to another branch?

Sometimes I think I should have went to Army Artillery instead of the Navy
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>>35562124
"You'll get to interact more with your enlisted sailors than, say, an infantry officer"
My PLs when I was in would literally be with us 24/7, like what
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>>35562555
> TFW none of our company armorers are actually armorer MOS
> They're all 11bravos that got hurt and can't do 11b stuff anymore
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>>35568677
Loved ww2 navy brass!!!one particular master chief glued to a ltcdr from Annapolis. Job was we're starting ww3, why? Spent hours hiding his " missing avionics"eventually ncis shows up at his desk, tells the young ensign" Pensacola plz" later that month asked my cdr. Did he retire? Is he in jail? Was told"no kid he's in Pensacola starting ww3."fuck Hamilton I miss you! Ps. Told me he joined the navy so he could use the bathroom. Pleasure to serve with you. Fought in gulf with your knowledge!!!! Incredible lessons for us!!!! We came prepared.
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>>35569346
Why are you incoherent in every post you make?
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>>35567928
>>35567946
>>35568409
>>35568453
>>35569346
the fuck, dude?



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