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Cultures of antiquity tier list:

God tier:
Antediluvian Vrilja
Atlantis
Indus Valley

Great tier:
Proto-Germanics (N)
Indo-Aryans
Atlantean Diasporex

Good tier:

Sparta

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>>3982615
You forgot:

Jupiter Optimus Maximus Tier:
Rome

There's a reason they conquered almost all the others, and it's because they were the superior civilisation.
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>>3990368
No it’s because they found themselves right in the middle of a rich network of civilizations (Phoenicians, Greeks, Celts) and were right next to cities belonging to the highest and most intllectual culture on Earth at the time (Greek) and also had a land incredibly good for farming and rich in resources (iron, tin)
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>>3990383
>Making excuses

Just admit they were inherently superior and destined by divine providence to conquer the world
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>>3990383
They also attacked disunited tribesmen (Samnites, Celts, Celtiberians, Illyrians)
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>>3982615
ELDER GOD TIER:
Hwan Empire of Korea

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>get history book
>open book
>"published in 2017"
>"BCE"
>"CE"
>close book
>leave

I feel bad cause I got it as a gift (that I chose, admittedly).
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>>3991410
Terribly sorry, I mean't to reply to: >>3991182
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>>3992237
I will never forgive this slight. You sir have made an enemy for life!
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>>3992273
The point I'm making is that there is a reason bits of data that are used in proximity to each other are designed to be distinct and difficult to misinterpret.
There is a reason why "ey lameo, just add a zero to the end" only worked for about 0.1 seconds before the guy that said it was called a faggot.
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>>3988426
If you can’t answer the question, just say so. Your ignorance/idiocy doesn’t mean you need to pity me.
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>>3992637
>If you can’t answer the question, just say so.
I have given the answer numerous times already. I pity you because you're to idiotic to either read a thread before posting in it or because you can't process simple explanations.

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Some backstory, I'm currently writing a screenplay set in the late 1800's, involving an ongoing war. What are some resources I could look into to get a better understanding of what a battle during that period would've looked like, or could any of you give me a quick rundown?
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>>3992593
It follows the story of a soldier that volunteers to join the army during the war
I'm currently at the part of his first real battle, and can't seem to get it right
I'm going by what's on the book, but his description are a bit murky, not really going into too much detail of what the tactics were like.
His platoon charged into the enemy and started hacking away, but doesn't describe much more than that
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>>3992612
I need to propose a historical research project and explain how and what tools I would use for such a research, could you give me some direction that relais on your project? I just need the propose a reaserch not actually to do it
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>>3992059
>>3992612
Read up specifically about the War of the Pacific.

All the belligerents at the time seem to have been dependent on foreign powers for their militaries, and none of them were really prepared for war when it broke out.

As far as Chile goes, they're more famous for their Prussian influences, but that actually came after the War of the Pacific. Up to that point, they were more reliant on French advisors. They apparently had quite a few German-made field artillery pieces at their disposal that gave them both numerical and qualitative advantage over the Peruvians and Bolivians, but their small arms were almost exclusively a mix of French and Belgian designs like the Gras and Comblain, both of which used black powder cartridges.

The Chilean Navy supposedly was superior to that of its enemies, but that didn't seem to stop them from being outgunned at times. The Battle of Iquique, for example, saw a converted merchantman (the Esmerelda) go up against a Peruvian ironclad with predictable results. The Chileans would end up with a good number of foreign volunteers in their navy by the end of the war as well.
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>>3991920
This painting is from Napoleon's Invasion of Russia, so that's 1812.
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>>3992545
War in the East by Quintin Barry

Comprehensive on Russo-Turkish war.

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Why was sub-saharan Africa incapable of creating any civilization or culture of great value?
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>>3992601
They formed nothing, they were given civilization by those superior to them and still chimped out and continued their tradition of ruining everything for everyone, fuck off bognigger.
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Jesus Christ people on both side of this argument are retarded, the lack of sources and pure speculation is unbelievable, bring a source bring real information to the table and have a peaceful debate, otherwise fucking OFF yourself!! Its pretty clear that modern Europe is more advanced than Africa.
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>>3987205
>Ryan Faulk
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>>3993291
>Its pretty clear that modern Europe is more advanced than Africa

You are maggot dumb. That was never the point in question or even doubted at all.
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>>3993357
The point is no one is really answering the question, lmao "maggot dumb"

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Why hasn't Stratocracy been more popular throughout history? The military has all the physical power, they could easily throw a coup at any time, so you'd think we'd see more examples of military rule in history.

Also why do Stratocracies tend to rule for such short periods? It seems like they lack staying power, as they always seem to make way for a republic shortly after a coup.
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>>3991997
They don't just happen to have mandatory service. Switzerland doesn't have an official army, so everyone is part of a federal militia.
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>>3991915
can't argue with that logic tbqh. We either went too far...or not enough. Can't really decide.
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Out of the 44 American presidents, 26 (over half) of them had some form of military service. Even good ol' W. Bush was an officer in navy.
After World War 1, many officers went from educated, upper-class men who made it in easy because of nepotism, to just average joes from the middle class. It's defiantly much different today than it was in the past. But the reason why I bring it up is because the status of being an officer in the military was much higher back then. Not even 100 years ago the average person was a farmer or, to an extent, specialized in some sort of trade. Being college-educated was something special so it was much easier to gain access to a government position. Not only that, but War was much more prevalent in the past, so many men would have some sort of military background. There was a higher chance of someone with military experience being in a government position.
In the early times of humanity (ancient era, medieval era) new civilizations/states were expanding and thus were always prepared for war. Unlike today, where a man serves for 4-5 years so he can sit at a desk and type about what he learned in today's PowerPoint presentation, military service in the past had men signing 10-25 years of their life away. Basically you would serve until death (unless you were lucky).
When monarchies became a big thing in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia, war was constant. In response, men of nobility were encouraged/required to serve in the military and being a soldier was an honor for both the common man and the wealthy. After their service, nobility would take government positions or general positions of power.
Let's not forget when colonies fought for independence they were led by Generals. So when independence was achieved, those who showed good leadership (aka Generals) were first in line for government control.
Basically, governments have always been under some sort of control by the military. It just wasn't direct.
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>>3992404
George W. Bush actually served in the Air Force, not navy. My bad.
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>>3991165
see: legend of the galactic heroes

I've seen it on this board multiple times so I'll dispel the Myth that Muhammad is a pedophile. The evidence fore this is Aisha's sister Asmā. She is recorded to be 10 years older than Aisha, and a year before Aisha and Muhammad married Asmā was recorded to be 28 years of age. 28-10+1=19. Thus Muhammad married Aisha at the age of 19. And just so we're clear by "recorded" I mean the historians Ibn Kathir and Ibn 'Asakir recorded Asmā's age in relation to her sister Aisha.
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>>3988800
Yes, because a virgin can be a Chad and vice versa, nice shipost, cuckstian, now go back to licking my feet.
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Absolute state of this board. Not a single argument. This is what happens when you give seppos internet access
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>>3989666
>so many Muslims engage in those
citation needed
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>>3988959
This desu senpai
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>>3989666
>literally victim blaming

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Why Byzantines got so much hate?
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>>3991250

When did we stop being homo erectus

Doesnt change the fact the end product is different than the start
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Because Vatican says so.
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>>3989033
I think it's mostly a leftover from way back in the Renaissance to Enlightenment where people had a pressing need to deny the Byzantine Empire as being a continuation of the Roman Empire. People began putting the classical period on a pedestal, and it's 'degradation' in the East, which couldn't be conveniently explained by a barbarian takeover, leaves a lot of cognitive dissonance even to this day. On top of that, it has a competing claim to the western narrative for spiritual successor to Rome-- to Catholics in particular-- so it gets even further discredited historically. And since they got TURK'd, who for some reason despise their pre-Islam heritage, there's not many people defending it outside 3 dudes in Greece.

People just don't want to accept Rome didn't fall in 476, desu.
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>>3989033
Because they were the real descendants of the Roman Empire and the Germans can't have that floating around
(Also because they were rich as hell and the Italians wanted all that gold for themselves
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>>3991331
so you would argue that the roman empire under Aurelian was no longer Roman? It was definitely different to Augustus' Empire

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Why did France get a reputation as being incompetent at war when fucking Italians exist?
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>>3992131
Seriously, how did Germany do it? Wehraboos always rave about muh Wehrmacht and muh Waffen-SS but it seems more like the Imperial German army was the real deal
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>>3992169
>artillery spam lmao

Literally, also the Prussian officer culture was strong, and everyone was even further behind tactically at the time. If you think the krauts had a head start in WW2, WW1 was even more drastic. Already by the time of 1864, the Germans had an abnormal amount of officers and professional soldiers while many others relied much more on conscripts and few officers.
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>>3991339
touché
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>>3984594
>>Got rekt by krauts in WWI until Britain stepped in
France held the Western Front (and with it, the majority of the German Army) almost entirely on its own for two years. British numbers weren't significant until the Somme Offensive.
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>>3984870
>it claimed that it differs from China's attitude of fighting for your country
But that's what they were doing. France was lost so the Anglos wanted to preserve their strength to fight for their OWN country.

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I just found this almost 700 (!) years old text from some intellectual in northern africa, and I find it quit interesting.


This world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless.

One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the newest group.

The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.[47]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqaddimah
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>>3992255
And in 1379, some student ask this guy :

>"You have written that in the universe of Creation, that the mineral kingdom, the vegetable kingdom, and the animal kingdom are admirably linked ... Then, I quote you, added that at the peak of this creation the animal kingdom then develops, its species increase and, in the gradual progress of Creation, it ends with Man endowed with thought and reflection. The human plane is reached from the world of apes ... where wisdom and perception meet, but which has not yet arrived at the stage of reflection and thought. From this point of view, the first human level comes after the world of the monkeys: our observation stops there ... So you say, master, that Man is a monkey? That the Almighty created Man and Monkey from the same mold? That this possibility of reciprocal evolution, at each level of Creation, constitutes what is called the continuum of living beings? You have therefore affirmed that the monkey is in the vicinity of the Man. God would have made a monkey ... a parent of Man?"

It was an african student, 700 years ago, in the 14th century, 500 years before Darwin.
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Because they saw the Niger was like monkey not difficult when you live in Africa ahahah
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>>3992289
Well, not sure if you're joking but the author of this text literally said that the sub saharian blacks were animals-like creatures.
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>>3992305
post it

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The ancient Greeks threw some MAD PARTIES.

Here's Dionysus on how much wine you should drink:

>Three bowls do I mix for the temperate: one to health, which they empty first; the second to love and pleasure; the third to sleep. When this bowl is drunk up, wise guests go home. The fourth bowl is ours no longer, but belongs to violence; the fifth to uproar; the sixth to drunken revel; the seventh to black eyes; the eighth is the policeman's; the ninth belongs to biliousness; and the tenth to madness and the hurling of furniture.
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>Three bowls do I mix for the temperate
How many drinks is that per person in today's measure?
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>>3992137
Did the greeks mix their wine with water as the Romans did?

Heel Stone (96) Stone Henge

>In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the sum of the matters. Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea. And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it. And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four headspots; and dominion was given to it.

Mishkan 10 + 1 - 3 = 8 horns

>After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

Gold & Brasen total 8 horns
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>>3990430
No, that's my Father, same IP.
Archaelogists should've Dug.
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So OP I looked up what I hope is the website of you or your father and I'm very confused.

could you try and explain wtf this is all about, none of the features on that stone resemble the lables and the website has multiple different "interpretations"

Who came up with this idea?

What does this have to do with a clickbate article about a highway near stonehenge?

are you the faggot larper spiritualist who went to greece?

And is this somehow related to that ulster mason dude who thinks the irish are really jews?
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>>3991957
Anon, while I admire your clear questioning you can't seriously expect a sensible and cogent answer from people that belong on /x/ rather than /his/
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>>3991957
>So OP I looked up what I hope is the website of you or your father and I'm very confused.
As you should be cause you're a dumb fuck.
>could you try and explain wtf this is all about, none of the features on that stone resemble the labels and the website has multiple different "interpretations"
To a dip stick idiot like you? Go fuck a duck.
>Who came up with this idea?
You did dumb ass, these are your questions.
>What does this have to do with a clickbate article about a highway near stonehenge?
Again these are your questions, ying yanger.
>are you the faggot larper spiritualist who went to greece?
You went to Greece so there's your problem.
>And is this somehow related to that ulster mason dude who thinks the irish are really jews?
Sucked your dude off makes you a gay fuck.
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Yup, that's Pappy.

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who was in the wrong here?
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>>3991026
> but got manipulated in politics.
potraying pompey as some lovable idiot is really inaccurate. he kickstarted his career as a butchering commander in sulla's army, or the epitome of cynicism and greed.
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>>3990989

In a certain sense yeah, but also remember that from Pompey's view, Caesar turned on Pompey. Pompey was comfortable thinking of Caesar as his lieutenant, his good friend and strongest supporter. Caesar obviously (in hindsight) was never content to think of things this way. When someone asked Pompey in 50 BC what would happen if Caesar wanted to retain his army, Pompey responded "What if my son wants to attack me with a stick?" Even when Caesar crossed the Rubicon, Pompey still did not yet take him seriously as a threat to his preeminence.

I guess what I'm saying is that it was as much complacency as jealousy. Pompey didn't believe that Caesar could really hurt him so didn't see any problem with throwing him under the bus.

>>3991073

Pompey was definitely not lovable guy, but it's hard not to get the sense that he was a bit of a bumbler in politics; rather than attaining his position by years of politicking, he attained it by having a private army and doing what he felt like. His management of the senate during the civil war was asinine.
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>>3988006

girls name needs to be changed to Servilia
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>>3990973
antonios ho arsenekoites
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Was Sextus Pompey the hero Rome needed?

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OH NO NO NO NO NO
*INHALES*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>3991451
I'm sorry, did you bring a country with you when you came from Bozgoria?
LMAO, EAT SHIT AND DIE, GOULASHBOI.
:^)
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>>3991451
And there's nothing you can do about it, hungaretard
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>>3988146
Austria, Germany, Turkey, and Hungary all lost the lands that weren't populated by ethnic hungarians/germans/turks and thus not considered part of their core nation. These included:

Germany's territorial and population losses included:
>West Poland (Polish, 3.5 million people)
>Tsingtao (Han Chinese, millions?)
>Alsace-Lorraine (debatable if German, but ~1 million)
>Togoland (Ewe/Kabye, millions?)
>German Southeast Africa (8 million)
>German Southwest Africa (~3 million)
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>>3988320
I just wish there would either be Anschluss or the Southern, Catholic parts of Germany and Austria would become the South German Confederation and the remaining Germans the North German Confederation. Switzerland should also be divided along it's language lines.
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>>3988703
Or pay some Diplo Points to culturally convert them.

Post films, games, reconstructions,or other media that represent history so inaccurately or poorly that even you feel embarassed...

I'll start off with the battle of the Marathon according to Warner Bros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2up4-CJ-ok
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>>3985161
>surely they knew queen boudica and having more domestic power/political power doesn't equal being a warrior

reality doesn't matter when the can push their agenda and shriek YAAAASSS QUEEN SLAAYYY
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>>3988709
kek't hard.
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>>3989888
>>3985602
>>3985583
>>3985573

the main problem is that in the end there is no big stock of props for every single period of history, let alone specific to eras of Roman History. It's already EXTREMELY hard for a studio to get a hold of sorta-accurate lorica segmentatas let alone segmentatas that look good. How do you think a studio is going to get a hold off 100-500 mid-republic armor sets for a bunch of stuntment who will likely break them or get themselves hurt because they're stupid?

even if you just had the budget to get them made, even if you went for literal tin shit with a nice coat of paint, that's a fair bit of time spent into getting them done when the filming schedues are tight, and then you have a truckload of helmets you have no reliable place to store or use them later on because they're so damn specific.

the best you could hope for is that a studio makes hundreds of thousands of generic metal pots and mail coats and just paints them and glues shit on them to use for everything between 400BC to 1400AD but that won't look too good either would it?

remember you're dealing with an industry where even the jews get scammed.
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>>3992310

>hello, i'm a generic spartan helmet and also a macedonian helmet and also a roman helmet and also a gothic spanhelm and also a renaissance helmet
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>>3985341
>>3985333
Probably the most amazing aspect of Chinese cinema was the creation of Hengdian World Studios.

Basically it was a city dedicated to filmmaking. Unlike LA/Hollywood however, to-scale copies of heritage sites from every era of Chinese history (and even foreign locations) were made across the town in order to save for the expense of set building.

So you have this weird Chinese town peppered by various landmarks like a mock Forbidden City or a mock Medieval European city.

were there any artificial ethnicities in history such as the romans (italic)?
(a bunch of rogues and outcasts from each of the italic tribes banded together and kicked the living shit out of their originally respective tribes and form a hybrid ethnicity)
>inb4 muh trojan refugees
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>>3991766
Americans.
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>>3991925
This but unironically.
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>>3991935
>This but unironically.
This but unironically.
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>>3991766
TRIBUNII

COHORS REFORMATA
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>>3991963
>>This but unironically.
>This but unironically.
This but unironically.



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