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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
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How difficult is it?
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>>8226788
Your answers are here faggot:
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>>8222860
>>8225680

Why does it even matter if it's difficult? It's a potpouri of timely observations covering culture, economics, relationships, academia, emotions, and all kinds of other shit. What does your question even fucking mean? It's just a big book from the 16th century. It's been edited to have modern English. Sorry that takes away your difficulty points. Guess you'll never get to touch a tit unless you can find one in the original. Not like it's enjoyable or even possible to read this thing straight through. It's more scatterbrained than Montaigne eating buckshot. But hey it's 1000+ pages and I'm sure the people you ride the bus with haven't been impressed in a while, so go ahead and read it and enjoy it you silly vapid cunt.
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>>8227554
same
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>>8223152
Literally nothing except that their actual Journal includes far too much liberal pandering (searching out books that make their arguments for them and then reviewing said books glowingly).

That tends to be for non-fiction though, they are at their best when they are bringing back some book from the 60s that was translated into English and missed by American audiences from Estonia.
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>>8222822

Not difficult whatsoever, takes a long time to read through though.

I don't know why you would think it is difficult. It has a lot of quotes but none of it is hard to understand.
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>>8227554

>BIG BOOK MAKE BRAIN HURT HUR DUR

I read it straight through you idiot pleb.

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How do you make yourself read books?

For some reason my mind just wants to be turned off and watch TV or a movie instead, and just sit there and not have to think about anything.

It seems like that is normal for a lot of people, but I want to change it because I really want to read some philosophy books cause I am a faggot with no self control.

However, how do I make it so that I actually WANT to read books? Like I feel like I'll never succeed unless I actually start craving it, cause like I said I have no self control. But for some reason my mind just wants to be turned off, and I don't know why... Why is it normal for humans to want to not have to think? My mind is totally cool with just becoming stagnant... how do I stop it..?
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>>8228536
That picture was interesting, I never thought of disciplining yourself slowly like that.

I am basically in the same boat as you. I graduated highschool a year ago, and it has been a year since, and looking back I literally did NOTHING. I went to a couple of music festivals, I quit playing video games, and I didn't read or do anything. I had a shitty retail job for a while, but I lost that a few months ago cause I called out too much lol.

The only thing I did do was workout almost every day, and that kinda kept me afloat and in good shape, I didn't eat though so I am still small just with a little more muscle.

The more I think about it though the more I feel diseased, like it can't be fucking normal to be this way right? I essentially killed myself for a year, it was like I was asleep, I am in essentially the exact same spot as I was last year, and the worst part is that I haven't even signed up for college or anything yet and it's probably too late.

Maybe I can attribute it to my opiate addiction, but I plan on never quitting until I gain the willpower which might not be ever. I literally need to go to prison or something to make myself read and stop drugs.

I have a lot of plans on how I am going to be making money soon, but in my mind all I think about is how good life is going to be, but I never actually do shit. I seriously get myself high off of thinking about my goals, but never do anything to achieve them.

>>8228546
idk how to apply that though man
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>>8228547
Valueless post.

>>8228536
>I just surfed the webs and retained no information at all.

And here we have the great malaise afflicting our generation. Without self-discipline the internet is a bottomless pit from which there is no escape. Do we need it? My life, for one, is better in its absence.
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>>8228524
Cut all added sugars, fried food, and red meat from your diet. The majority of self-afflictated lack of self-discipline has dietary causations linked to it. Why do I say that? Because, it's how I was.
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>>8228563
you should be a scientist or smth
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>>8228559
Today was the first day in a while that I spent almost the whole day hanging out with a friend helping him film stuff, and overall spending the day being productive, but the whole time I felt kind of depressed and weird because I felt like my day was ruined because I was thinking of all the shit on reddit and youtube I was missing.

I realize that I was wrong and I actually had a good day doing cool stuff though... but still felt that I had ruined it :\

>>8228563
Is that broscience or what man? I have been trying to bulk lately, and before I bulked I basically just ate chicken and oats, and I feel exactly the same.

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>Earth needs a virtual country: #Rationalia, with a one-line Constitution: All policy shall be based on the weight of evidence

We're on the dawn of a new age of science and reason.
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>>8228520
In the context of you suggesting that it's irrational to promote rationality outside of your own field of expertise.

>They are violating a major axiom of their own academic culture by speaking outside their domain.

Rationality isn't empiricism btw.
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>>8228523
>In the context of you suggesting that it's irrational to promote rationality outside of your own field of expertise.
That wasn't me, different anon.
But I'd say promoting rationality is right now too ideological to be done, considering idiots/public intellectuals of today.
Imagine the time, only 100 years ago when instead of Tyson, Dawkins and WLC you had Shaw, Wells, Chesterton and Belloc.
>Rationality isn't empiricism btw.
Of course.
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>>8228527
>But I'd say promoting rationality is right now too ideological to be done

So a few overzealous fedoras are more important that a more rational voting population?
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>>8228537
Most of the voting population are people whose opinions are changed and based on the run of the mill progressive ideology and promotion of "rationality" is mostly done by them anyway so the political landscape and the vocabulary/language has been changed to the point rational voting is out of the picture for most.
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America will be the end of us all.

If it's Trump, the STEM-mafia, safe-zoners or right-wingers - in some way, any way, this will end us.

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Anyone else feel bad for him? He got to be in the Simpsons, but it was the shit era Simpsons
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>>8226505
To which Homer is he referring?
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Yeah, I feel reaaal bad for the famous author who's critically revered and also a millionaire and from one of the wealthy American families who like came over on the god damn Mayflower, and has also had sex with a woman, I'm weeping for him.
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Pynchon is almost certainly my favorite writer, because what I enjoy most in books are goofs, gags, jokes, pranks, and rambunctious behavior, and his novels are full to the brim (so to speak) with these. Every novel somewhat resembles one of those novelty snake-cans: you open the book --- and POP! your face is instantly bombarded by rubber snakes, and you fall back to the floor, cackling. "The mad mind!" you think, "The genius, to do it!" and then you think, "Hm, what will he do next, this trickster?" And you pick the book back up from where you dropped it upon the floor after being besieged by the heinously hilarious rubber snakes and --- BZZZZZZZ! You get a shock! Hahahaha! You've been pranked by the old "Pynch-meister" (as they used to say in Uni), that "card"! "Did that pinch?" he asks, chortling childishly and excessively. Observe him carefully in his state of nature as he inserts a pair of plastic "buck-teeth" into his mouth and politely displays them to you. "Do you like these?" he charismatically asks you, eyes a-twinkling. "Do I look handsome?" He pulls out a mirror. "Ah!" and he places a hand to his naughty mouth, and you have fell to the floor with laughter again as he snaps his suspenders and exits stage-right, then appears again, hauling a large and golden gong.
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>>8228498

>resembles one of those novelty snake-cans: you open the book --- and POP! your face is instantly bombarded by rubber snakes, and you fall back to the floor, cackling.

lol reminds me of Sterne.
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>>8228402
>and has also had sex with a woman
Dude it's not that hard. Just start lifting and being confident and take care of your appearance and change your personality. Just be yourself basically.

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Post the greatest idea you've ever come up with
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>>8228438
Right up their back passage more like.
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>>8228478
I'm not shallow enough to judge people for doing good deeds. If their generosity - self-indulgent or not - can have a real positive impact on those in need, what should I care what reason they do it for?
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>>8228380
Fucking brilliant
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I'm gonna cook some mac and cheese
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>>8228526
I was making an immature joke about Brighton and its gay population; I just enjoy wordplay.

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Does /lit/ keep the jackets of their books? Why or why not?
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>>8228407
>Do you faggots really have to be pretentious about this and philosophy what is the right thing to do or not.
Yes. And please use proper punctuation next time.
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>>8228415
How is that so? You buy a book for its content and to learn from it. Once you read it, you store it and try to preserve it for as long and as good as possible. Jacket might indeed help with that, which is a fucking logical thing to know. And even if you don't use jacket, the book will last at least 200 fucking years if you do not store it under the ground.

For fucks sake, I'm out. I swear people come up with the most retarded questions on this board, since they are the most pretentious.
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>>8228407
>dude wow i don't even care...

You are not impressing anyone with your mid 2000s edgy teen attitude, it's time to get a job
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>>8228423
Bye.
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>>8227469
clothed sex is my fetish desu

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What are some good books about love polygons?
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Anna Karenina
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>>8228125
Romeo and juliet, o wait...
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>>8228125
Emilia Galotti

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>>8228293
Was that narration or a part of character dialogue? You'll have to elaborate, there's not enough to go on for a diagnosis.
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>>8225571
I'm not writing a book because I'm no an egocentric jackass who thinks he has ideas that everyone needs to hear.
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>>8228326
>year of our lord 2016
>not being completely egocentric
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>>8228311
It is an absurd grotesque tragic comedy novel screenscript named Faggot where character actively seeks means to dehumanize himself and ascend nature via writing an magna opus of high literature but ends up writing the very famous fantasy fiction. In the end he forgives himself and tries to forgot his past.
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>>8225571
It's a screenplay but whatever. Original content DO NOT STEAL
>Smart chick gets hired for engineering job on Mars
>Goes to Mars
>Get asked to help with a secret recovery mission by her company
>Goes to secret lab in the middle of buttfuck nowhere
>Aww, shit what happened here?
>Cyber zombies fucking everywhere
>Smart chick gets dragged off and has her arms cut off, replaced with robo-arms
>Gets free and finds friends, they're mostly dead
>Go to blow up the lab but find computer-brain that's taken over the lab, talks through corpse-puppet of smart chick's dead friend
>Smart chick says fuck it, blows up nuclear reactor
>She escapes onto planet surface and gets far enough away to avoid the explosion
>Wanders the Martian desert for a while as her robo arms begin to break down...

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Do you believe lyrics hold any literary value? Is there any example of albums or pieces of music that you find tell interesting stories?
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>>8227955
Don't you find it ironic that all these artists are trying to take you to another place, and all you want to do is feel like your sitting next to them in that drab recording room?
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King Missile makes an excellent case for it; even if it is closer to regular poetry than lyrics.
https://youtu.be/4_YaSAZqcjA
I love these guys.
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>>8228252
That is not at all what I said, your limited view of the world has caused you to misconstrue me. There are plenty of things I dislike, but I choose not to insult them and put down those who do like them, because if I did that I would be disgusted with myself. From your response it is clear that you are not a child, but an adolescent. You've lost innocence, but not yet gained wisdom and character. You'll change soon enough though, don't worry.
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>>8227430
This thread is a meme but Michael Gira writes some great lyrics.
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>>8228545
>"this thread is a meme"
>Michael Gira writes some great lyrics
:^)

This is not Romanian shitposting
This is a short story that I just wrote and it's supposed to be a light comedy
Now english is not my native language,and i've only writen it in English (originally) so I can post it here on 4chins

latin and bulgarian were google translated,so if you want, do help with proper grammar.
This is my first writing attempt and so on
hope you enjoy
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>>8228452

OP EXPOSED

BTFO
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>>8228452
Finally, a smart Romanian.
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>>8228452
it started as a greentext,so the names and realism of the setting were not given much atention

Ion seems like a more "modern" common name.I used gelu for no particular reason

I agree that the grammar sucks,I wrote it in a hurry,and first time in english

It is supposed to be satire,a parody of the "we were always roman" thing

a tldr of what it was supposed to be is this:
>gelu is a shepherd with no knowldege of the outside world
> he lives in an isolated village where everyone still thinks that they are part of the roman empire
> a representative of the Bulgarian empire comes around to inform him that him and his village are now part of that empire
> still,he speaks in latin,out of necesity and gelu confuses him with a roman
> when asked why he knows latin, gelu answers that a travelling hebrew convinced his whole village to pay for latin lessons,because that would make them good citzens of the roman empire.

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>>8228519
There's nothing shitty about wanting less horrible writing in the world.
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>>8228541
right because it can't get better right? you either start a literary genius or you should stop writing

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unironically why did he take 17 years off
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>>8227588
:^)
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>>8227069
>Coca-Cola™
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Pynchons my fav writer for sure because my fav thing in books is goofs, gags, jokes and rambunctious behavior, and his books are full to the brim of it. Every novel is like one of those novelty snake cans, you open the book & POP you get a face fulla snakes and you fall back cackling. The mad mind, the crack genius, to do it! and then you think hmmm whats he gonna do next, this trickster, and you pick the book back up and BZZZZZZZZZZ you get a shock and Hahahahahah you've been pranked again by the old pynchmeister, that card. "Did that Pynch?" he says, laughing yukyukyukyuk. Watch him as he shoves a pair of plastic buck teeth right up into his mouth and displays em for you- left, right, center- "you like dese? Do i look handsome???" Pulls out a mirror. "Ah!" Hand to naughty mouth. And you're on your ass again laughing as he snaps his suspenders, exits stage right, and appears again hauling a huge golden gong.
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>>8227099
>He works on multiple novels at once.
source?
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>>8228493
I unironically dislike Pynchon for the same reasons.

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Lighteyes&Slaves Edition

Recommendations

>Fantasy
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/r688cPe.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg/
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg/
>Sci-Fi
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/A96mTQX.jpg/
General: http://i.imgur.com/r55ODlL.jpg/ / http://i.imgur.com/gNTrDmc.jpg/

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>>8228528

If we look at the Bible as sff then yes. Although jesus had enough character flaws such as getting mad at the merchants in the temple and being afraid on the cross etc
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>>8228238

Yes?
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>>8228530
Those aren't character flaws, those are character traits.
A self insert character can have flaws just fine, but he has no well done character traits outside the semen the author left on the text when writing him/her.
I didn't read Darkness that came before but every time I read comments discussing it it seems worse and worse. It's seems like the type of work a really dumb person would find profound.
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>>8228548

https://grimdarkmagazine.com/blogs/news/104286406-excerpt-from-r-scott-bakkers-the-great-ordeal

http://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.ca/2016/05/extract-from-r-scott-bakkers-great_18.html

Read these extracts and tell me it's not at least better than the majority of epic fantasy these days.
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>>8228550
I don't find comparing mediocrity to trash a particularly sufficient method of judging quality.
After all, sure, Martin has generally bad prose, but compared to Sanderson's dialogue, he is a god.

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Hello, I have a question as a newfag to books.
I recently started reading Plato and have sometimes really really hard time focusing on it and forget what it was about really fast. I would read 2 pages, just to remember I forgot everything, because my mind was somewhere else.

Is writting down the parts of the book I'm struggling with in a separate book something you do also? I don't know if I'm just dumb or have some focusing issues, so I write almost sometimes the whole page down in my notebook and it helps me tremendously.

Is this just normal, or is my memory fucked up? I know over time my reading focus and memory should improve, but I have quite stressful life and no peace at home usually (kids) and I find it hard to maintain motivation to read something. Any suggestions?
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>>8228477
Nah, I stopped smoking cannabis 2 years ago, when I was junior in high school. I did attend engineering high school, gymnasium, but that doesn't help with the fact I'm terrible at reading.
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>>8228477
However, you are right about web bouncing from page to page. That hits the home quite hard and procrastinating quite a lot.

But the question still remains what is the best thing to do now about my reading/memory problem.
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I've read quite a bit and I'm forgetful. Unless you're going to read the coolest new GRRM fantasy epic retention in terms of story is rather unimportant. Just enjoy the prose and the ride and you can get a lot of enjoyment out of lit even if it's not recalling who slayed the sick cool dragon on p34.
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>>8228488
>But the question still remains what is the best thing to do now about my reading/memory problem.
Taper off the speedy quick flickery lights entertainment and get used to more subtle stimuli. An apt similie would be death grip jacking off your dinker to filipino shark porn and then expecting enjoy intercourse in a normal, healthy way
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Sound like some kind of memory issues.

Just take your time and don't stress yourself out because some guy out there read faster than you.

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Is it true if Plato didn't show up to class Socrates would just cancel the whole day? kind of a dick move I mean I know he's the golden boy but that's unfair to his other students right?
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>>8228116
This may be a joke, or at least may be treated as one, but that's actually a captivating premise and made me chuckle just thinking about it.
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>>8228116
Please make it an 80s teen movie and make Plato played by Matthew Broderick
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>>8228116
>Young Plato runs from dogs as a hobo throws cabbages at him
>*discus scratch*
>"Now you're probably wondering how I ended up like this. But I swear to Zeus there's a perfect explaination for this."
>Film rewinds back to Socrates acting as a midwife for ideas.
>"No that's way too far back!"
>Film fast forwards to younger Plato stretching in the gymn while older men watch.
>"Now that's closer to the Good."
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>>8228116
I'd pay to see that man, good luck
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>>8228346
>Diogenes is a massive stoner


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