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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
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Recommended Literature

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Write what's on your mind
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It's hard for me to trust people who have never experienced depression
I want to be respected. I've never been treated like anything, worth anything, by anyone, who knew any which way, about any of the many things I know. Is it a problem when there's no one there to pat you on the back when you did something special, or when your grit yourself down to the most impeccable, impermeable, imminent list of words you can throw out in your defense. I think I might just be an unlikeable douchebag, but it only ever matters long enough for me to explain that I'm worth something.

pls respond
Everything feels so shallow and bland, like we've all given up on ourselves and each other, and this is just a cesspit for the inbetweens of lonely ideas, riddled with insignificant nuisances, and unforeseeable travesties of absolutely nothing at all.
I am growing to dislike everything more by the day. I cannot even put on the television without seeing a troupe of bourgeoisie. What do they advertise? Sending children to college, buying a (n expensive) house, retirement. New Money is absolutely ridiculous. It extends down too: dopes obsessed with paying their bills, claiming that to be a SOLE motivator. How are either of these things done? Both seem to come from humanism: the absolutely idolatric notion that human life has some sort of transcendent value. The worst, is that this transcendence is (as all humanism is), secular transcendence. A big load of Platonism. A narrative (Lord do I hate this word) of how 'care', 'compassion', 'civil service' and other C-words are high virtues, As if virtue exists at all or is even compatible with contemporary idolatric science and humanism. Does Aristotle's scientifically-defended ethics not clash entirely with contemporary science? If so, why is it such a hot topic? And why should I care for consent? A new dualism has been born, built on the notion of 'choice': good is decided while bad is undecided or sitting. Yet agnosticism, again, is a contemporary virtue. Where is the adherence to that largest of idols, rationality? I see no consistency in this. That largest of idols has smashed the smaller. Where does this go from now? Every attempt to convince these types that they are colonially-minded or protestantly-minded (they are both) is rejected. How is this Greco-Roman thought not colonial? Was the majority of Europe not once a colony? The old colonies are being ignored in favour for the newer, yet in the old lies the greatest damage: a millennia of decay. I do not trust this 'Western Civilization', the very notion is so un-Western. Is Greece not now considered Eastern, if so, is Westernity not prone to change? Then how can there be a concrete type of civilization? Greece is nothing but in debt to its neighbors to the East. Does this not make it more Eastern? And Rome, the Evil Empire. What else embodies everything decadent about this notion of Westernity, yet is made an idol? How do these idols not clash with their contemporary peers? Could it be, that they truly are so impotent? Now is the time for iconoclasm, yet it is resisted so.
Why aren't you, then? Note that high school is not 'young' unless you are mentally disturbed.


Philosophy changed my life.

Philosophy, in time, was a journey.

In this, the 'mystery school' of learning philosophy can theoretically advance as humanity historically advanced, in exploration of concepts. You start with the pre-socratics, then you progress to the 'analytic', hitting all the philosophy in the middle.

Here's a hint: Only study 'western' (analytic) philosophy. There in lies an actual 'study' of academic legitimacy, because only in that is there the study of 'logic', and 'concepts'.

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Welp, /lit/, I've fallen for the STEM meme and now there's no turning back.

How do I cope.
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>there is a distinction
never gonna make it anon
I don't understand?

You'll have high chance to get a high-paying, secure, comfy job?

Is that the problem?

I'd kill for the same chance but sadly I am a brainlet when it comes to math, thus it is impossible for me to get anything done in STEM.

Be happy that you are not stupid OP.
>money, money and money

So this is the power of STEM
>falling for the high-paying, secure, comfy job = life fulfilled meme

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Holy shit.

She is truly /ourgirl/.
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>shitty book mocking puritan heresy
>the french
>be french subway attendant
>see retarded book laying on seat
>stand in the aisle holding the book
>"whose book is this? is this your book?"
>questioning faces
>"I don't give le fuck monsieur, I have mon own books"
>"me deux! Zis book is stupide!"
>"et me trois! I have une e-readeur"
>"well it's going to le lost and found then!"
>book stays in French subway station lost and found locker forever

emma watson is a moron
More like
>Find books in subway
>Hurts my butthole but free ersatz toilet paper

a book costs 12 dollars. What is 12 dollars to a multi-million dollar Hollywood star-model-celebrity-mogul-sex-symbol? A lot of publicity.

just send the book to some kid with the piece of shit on their amazon wish list. jesus.
>me deux

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I learned recently about a video-game term that teenagers these days throw around: "overpowered," or "OP" for short. If a character type in a competitive video game is inordinately more powerful than the others, then it is "overpowered"; the game as a result is deemed "unbalanced," and fans will complain on forums that the developers have delivered to them a swift "slap in the face." It's an interesting metaphor. Life, of course, is no game, and it's a truism that it isn't fair. But every once in a while we get a striking reminder of how unevenly Mother Nature distributes her gifts. Take the literary world for instance. By any measure, David Foster Wallace, the author of the acclaimed novel Infinite Jest, was overpowered. If he were a class in a role-playing game, then you wouldn't hear the end of the complaining. When it came to the writing of fiction, Wallace blew his competitors—historical and contemporary both—out of the water. To borrow another term from video gaming, it's fair to say that he "owned" them. When Infinite Jest hit book stores in February 1996, the title's two words were in the mouth of every serious reader in America; every living writer, however, was faced with a different pair of words: "Game Over."
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More overpowered than Ogre in Tekken 3?
nothing outpowers DFW
OP is a faggot
This is satire you fucking disgustos
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What are some good writing exercises?
15000 charactes a week

Of just random words?
depends entirely on what you are trying to write.
>measuring characters
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minimizing distractions.
set your goals.
finding inspiration.
don't fear writing something that isn't perfect
outside views

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hard work

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Low tier:
>Infinite Jest
>The Recognitions

>Middle tier tier
>Gravity's Rainbow
>The Sound and the Fury

High tier:

Patrician tier:
>Critique of Pure Reason
>Phenomenology of Spirit

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Heidegger in Patrician
don't bump frogshit
The Recognitions is the only good literature listed. Americans in general cannot write. Joyce is a meme. Idealism is steaming horseshit.
>just bumped frogshit
Dumb frogposter

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Who's interested in doing a group reading of Dostoyevsky's Notes From The Underground?

To make things interesting I threw together this website for annotating the novel as a group:

(just the Project Gutenberg text with an annotator plugin, you can see annotations other people have made, pretty straightforward)

Schedule in the pic. It's a short book (~100 pages physical). At one chapter a day I think everyone will be caught up and so we can focus on critical discussion.

Who's down
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>21 days to read a pamphlet

What even is the purpose of these reading groups? They fizzle out within 1 or 2 threads. Just read the book and make a bait post about it to get people talking.
There is such a thing as reading too slowly
been meaning to read it for a while, lets do this. currently on moby dick group and rereading the divine comedy, but its doable
OP here, I hear you, I'll make the schedule faster
Read it already. Will stick around for your insights.

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Is "The Dead" by James Joyce the greatest work of literature ever composed?
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No it's not. Have you even read the book? Do you know anything about James Joyce or ireland or ireland at the time of its writing? Dont be a dumb cunt, a horse walking around Oliver Cromwell the man who enslaved ireland (as some people would put it) despite being let free is a painfully obvious metaphor
so this is the power of autism

You make an intriguing (albeit crude) point.
Apologies. It's king William

Rolled the irish in the battle of the boyne and enstilled an English rule. This as well as what was going on at the time with ireland, just gained its independence, albeit not exactly. It's whole political mess, "the dead" perhaps being the Irish after the English rule

Apologies for being crude
The statue is of William III

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I am trying to write realistic sisters but I dont know what they do, as I have had very little interaction with female humans. Tell me if I'm wrong here about what sisters do with each other:
>cuddle with each other
>hold hands
>talk about the guys they fucked
>talk about their pussy, how to masturbate, etc..
>joke about dildos/butt plugs
>sleep in the same bed
>fight about men
>share each others socks,panties, etc...

Any advice here?
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Thats sexy that they share their tight little bras, touching both of their boobs. its like sharing a dick almost lol
Fight, all the time, over anything, real or imagined.
I imagine at that point they're either great liars, or the man is so beta he never lets go.
ok this but for borthers?

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What happens when we die?
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You're reunited with the consciousness of the all until it's time for your next incarnation
You are already dead. The only reason why you can't realise it is that you can't experience the fourth dimension as you do with space. Everything that has been or will be is happening at the same time. Linear time is an illusion, my man.
Did you come to this conclusion after psychedelics?
you are being operated by your fourth dimensional self
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Some smarmy materialists may think we go into nothingness. But nothing is not. Nothing comes from nothing. But there is something, so something comes from something and existence is eternal.

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Why did he shoot the arab /lit/? Was it really because the sun was in his eyes? Was it self-defense? If so, why didn't he just back off. The character seems disinterested with causing conflict, he seems like someone who wants life to be as unperturbed as possible. So why did he do it?
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Have you never wanted to lash out at something because of extreme discomfort? What if every time it happened, you'd have a loaded gun in your hand? The act of killing is a purposefully banal plot device for >>9678290.
All Stranger threads that revolve around inane questions should be banned. Go to Sparknotes or something you fucking idiot.
anon, I don't think this is going to work out. Consider either fucking off to your literal dump of a board or joining the other retards enjoying shit-tier art at /mu/.
>Because he wanted to

Can you provide textual evidence of this? I don't recall him ever actively choosing to kill the Arab.
I remember the heat vividly, but no true motive. I always felt he pulled the trigger due to external threats that are unavoidable as a human, such as the weather. No matter how detached from the human condition he is, there is no avoiding universal forces.
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Think long and hard about it.

>Then come back.

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Gormenghast Edition


Science Fiction

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Should I read Wheel of Time, Malazan, or Name of the Wind?

Last series I tried to get into was the First Law. Read The Blade Itself and it was so fucking cringe worthy and generic. Felt like it was written by a 15 year old for 15 year olds. Can't believe I wasted time on that trash
WoT is probably worse than First Law regarding
> Felt like it was written by a 15 year old for 15 year olds.

Malazan's biggest flaw is that the first book is noticeably worse than the rest. (Only very few actually prefer the first book)
It's also basically multiple D&D campaigns worked out (semi-literally)
Otherwise it isn't too bad.
I meant literature wise examples include the Moshui Trilogy and Detective Inspector Chen series'
Wheel of Time and Malazan are soap-operas with a Conan and D&D flavour respectively. The Name of the Wind is so badly written as to be unreadable if you have anything resembling taste.
Wheel of Time is extremely long and gets really slow in the middle due to all the unnecessary side plots, but is still a very easy read overall. What kept me going in the series was getting invested in the characters and curiosity about the setting and trying to figure out the intrigue going on behind the scenes. The first book is weird in that it doesn't really give you any idea of what the rest of the series is about, I'd give WoT til like book 3 or 4 and if it still isn't doing anything for you then just drop it cause it only gets harder to read from there even if you do like the story.

Malazan is also extremely long, but isn't as easy a read as WoT. You get dropped into a very complicated setting without any real exposition and have to piece things together as you read the first few books. An anon in /sffg/ once described reading Malazan as putting together a jigsaw puzzle without knowing what the final picture is supposed to be, and I think that's pretty apt. I really love the characters and dialogue in this series though, simultaneously one of the funniest and saddest series I've read. If you can't handle being disoriented and taking a jigsaw puzzle approach to the setting, then don't bother picking it up because you will not have a good time. Malazan does eventually start dumping exposition on you but it's not until like book 4, and most of it sort of assumes you've already pieced together a lot of things yourself.

Name of the Wind is polarizing. People either hate it after the first couple pages, or they end up loving it and dive into the next book then get frustrated when they hear Rothfuss is taking a decade to write the next one. The thing that makes people love or hate it is the main character, Kvothe, who is also the first person narrator of the story. His ego is massive and is an immediate turn off to like half the people who pick up the book. You should know within five minutes if you are going to like the story or not. Either you can deal with Kvothe's personality, or you can't.

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What's the difference between writer/author/novelist/etc?
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Who the fuck knows. Words have arbitrary definitions defined in dictionaries because it's a general consensus of the word's meaning. A word's meaning can ebb and flow with the times making old dictionaries somewhat useless in the modern age.
The difference between a writer and an author or a novelist is as arbitrary and pointless as the words they are speaking.
So, don't worry about it. Write something and forget about labels and words, write what you mean, not whatever some dictionary tells you the meaning of.
everyone is a writer
just as everyone is an author
novelists are the above who write only novels
i don't see what's hard to understand desu
A writer writes
an author is a writer, but has been published
a novelist is a writer, but specializes in novels
This. Pretty simple, baka desu senpai.
A novelist is a writer who is an author of novels.
A writer is an author who may or may not write novels.
An author may or may not be a writer who may or may not write novels.

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Who is this guy? And what can you tell me about him?
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Thanks for this. Finally I get to see what all this spook shit is from the horse's mouth.

At a glance, with all his insouciance and snark, and btfo attitude, he seems like the original fedora guy, albeit much more learned and stylish than the typical fedora. Although his observation that "cheerfulness in Catholic life must perish in this Protestant legality" smacks a little of Chesterton.
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He's a caricature of an extreme alarmist, who believes any mention of any ideology is an attempt to scare him into believing in something, as fear is cited as the #1 tool of recruiting people to participate in a cause. This is of course partly true but he takes it to absurd levels by deeming every viewpoint or philosophy ever as an attempt at this, or a "spook," and thus engages solely in egoism; or a never-ending sense of self-indulgence dictated purely by his own subjective whims and beliefs.
read the book.

I am the unique one and I am indescribable because of my uniqueness
Why not read this works instead of basing your opinion on /lit/ memes?

If you have actually read The Ego/Stirners Critics; and this is your criticism, you might be retarded.
Attempt to describe ''the unique'' i.e. yourself. What you will end up doing is describing the property of the unique, not the unique itself, from this you get the concept of ''The creative nothing''.

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