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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature.

If you want to talk about politics, go to /pol/.
Philosophical LITERATURE is allowed on /lit/.
Religious LITERATURE is allowed on /lit/.


Recommended literature:
Ask for recommendations only once you have browsed the wiki.

Looking for books?

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Is Anonymous the best writer of all time?
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... because they're brilliant AND accessible. Whether that constitutes "nothing less" is a matter of opinion.
He wrote some incredible stuff like Gilgamesh, Bible, Mahabharata and Vedas but he really shouldn't have given over the "Abrahamic religions" series to Mohammed.

Today, though... Well let's be honest, he should get his shit together. Shitposting on Mongolian clay animation forums and releasing garbage such as Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra and its cash-in sequel is a shame.
Over-rated, cash-grabbing, religious hack.
I like the records of his brother Eek-a-mouse

>In music Beethoven is number 1 (altough Mozart is the greatest in Opera).


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Who here /spleen/?

Best poem? Best translation? I'm super new to Baudelaire, still haven't found a translation I like.

Anyone know which translation Ruth White used for her recording of Flowers of Evil?
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Ô Mort, vieux capitaine, il est temps! levons l'ancre!
Ce pays nous ennuie, ô Mort! Appareillons!
Si le ciel et la mer sont noirs comme de l'encre,
Nos coeurs que tu connais sont remplis de rayons!
Verse-nous ton poison pour qu'il nous réconforte!
Nous voulons, tant ce feu nous brûle le cerveau,
Plonger au fond du gouffre, Enfer ou Ciel, qu'importe?
Au fond de l'Inconnu pour trouver du nouveau!


It's time, Old Captain, lift anchor, sink!
The land rots; we shall sail into the night;
if now the sky and sea are black as ink
our hearts, as you must know, are filled with light.

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holy fuck that's a bad translation
All translations are bad.

doesn't excuse you from writing one as bad as that

hint::::::::: don't translate verse into rhymed verse, unless it's something like spanish -> portuguese or provencal -> french, if you were smart you'd know that

bad translation

but nice poem

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Top Three
>Henry IV
>Midsummer Night's
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I'll have a go.
Hamlet and King Lear are the ones that attract by far the most critical material and are seen as the most philosophically intense and serious. With good reason. I'll add The Tempest to that list because it's Shakespeare's last sole-authored play, compresses most of his major themes into one play, and has some really fantastic, virtuosic language.

This shit has changed a lot over time. Titus Andronicus was never on lists like this until the past three decades and especially after Jonathan Bate's groundbreaking Arden edition that makes a fantastic case for the literary qualities of the play.

Shakespeare specialist here, so AMA while I'm killing time and digesting turkey.
I've taught every single one of them. Ask me weird-ass questions about the Henry VI plays, or about The Two Noble Kinsmen, or the fucked-up erotic response to Ovid in Venus and Adonis.
i want to study shakespeare. i'm getting my undergrad soon. what should i get a masters in? i'm mainly interested in 19th century/20th century fiction but i fear if I try to go deeper into shakespeare in my way up academia I'll have to start seriously studying the rest of the 16th century playwrights etc.
Why would you read Shakespeare when you can watch him?
Not quite as retarded as reading Death of a Salesman

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Poetry thread

I wonder if people actually frequent this board...

A damaged mind with a picket sign
But I'm still fine.

Even a blind man steers clear
The prophets drop tears

There is news for them to hear.


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meter is the only thing poetry has going for it. forced rhyme schemes are the worst though
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The Black Chair; two years living with chronic pain.

Come take a seat, just you though,
Settle into a place where time passes slow,
Ease yourself carefully into the hollows,
Mould yourself likewise, to give in and follow,
To the deeper black corners, where you sink deeper in,
And sigh, eyes shut as the changes begin,

The world grows quieter; muted it moves,
Past you and the Black Chair, whose presence disproves,
The relevance of voices, the company of crowds,
Seated among standing; a divergence that shrouds,
The quality of closeness, the ability to see,
Yourself as if standing, alone; the Black Chair and thee,

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Typical, though not happy, that no one has yet invoked the word Pantoum. So there you have that.

Under the terms of its constraint, it functions as such. If it is possible to imagine a waveform of success where amplitude is the depth of evocation of empathic emotional charge, with large amplitude representing angelic joy and mortal devastation, and with a flatline representing "tl;dr", we are transmitting here in the near infrared. Which is to say, a narrow band, though far from flat.

I suspect that part of the maturation of the final spin is that someone broke a bond with "I" and "I" has come to terms with the comparative value of words to actions by way of the revolving door of a form which either spirals into infinity, or spins itself apart, so an apt choice there.

There has been a tendency, maybe since the 60s, or maybe the 50s, to place a word or two of astonishment, nay even approaching transgression, in such pieces. Sometimes the effect is contrived, sometimes it succeeds, as the success of the first glimpse of the vampire's fangs confirms one;s suspicions as to one's misgivings.

See an example here:


There is room in a traditional form, especially in the chainsaw massacre which is poetry's current moment, for the occasional splinter under the fingernail, and upon a third reading of this, I want one. Figuratively speaking.

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It is not for no reason that the poets who are allowed to exceed one page per piece are all the names revered in marble upon the shelves atop staircases behind columns.

You are trying something just beyond your ken as yet, though happily unlike pilots who attempt Pugachev's cobra stall before their thousandth hour, this one here will not result in a fatality, nor a career flying freight to Guam.

Just a couple examples, because I see you ended with the proper parenthetical embarrassment, and that is as it should be, and the Old Ones smile upon your initiation.

I [subject] could [verb] - fine
see [verb agrees with I] - still ok.
scared [passive verb requires "was"] - the static begins
sucking [subject now totally obscured - who is sucking?]
saw [same]
cut [same]

Somewhere in this telegraphic style, the basic grammar has come delaminated from the thematic intent. I can't follow you on your emotional tour de force if I don't know who is whom.

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What's /lit/ drinking and reading tonight?
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White wine and Meditations
which lager, lad?
A little over a year. In that time I read all of pynchon's other works and a bunch of other stuff.
Reading it a second time is extremely rewarding
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snoots gtfo

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What's the best account of the Burke and Wills expedition in book form?

All literature about explorers, preferably failed, welcome.
Mason&Dixon, tbqh SENPAI

I think I'll have to read Gravity's Rainbow first.
Bumping thread before I go to bed
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Just stating the obvious. The best by a country mile is Patrick White's Voss. Based more on Leichhardt than Burke and Wills, but it has incredible sections about being alone in the desert confronting mortality and nature.
>nearly dead
>welp, guess I better carve your face into a tree hey old mate?
>dumb tourists drive hours into the desert to look at a face on a tree where they ded.
>I was one of those turists
>dis is mey storay

I need advice /lit/...

Should I have sex with a ugly girl just for the sake of my novel?

So I know this girl, she's 19, a 4 or 5/10. Not fat or dwarf or anything like that, she's just ugly. She's a nice person, likes art, likes good music, has a pretty libertine thought, bohemian... You know what I mean. I know she has sexual feelings towards me, since we've gone drinking a couple times and we've ended up making out when I'm totally drunk. She actually told me once "I want to suck your dick". To be honest, I don't have any kind of attraction towards her, it's only when I'm drunk.

Now, here's what I've been thinking about. I the novel I'm writing, the main character engages in friendly, non romantic sexual activity with a girl he knows. I've never had that kind of experience to describe it, and I'd like to make it as realistic as possible. Every feeling, every thought, everything. I was thinking about letting her blow be and giving her oral and maybe even fuck a couple of times to have a good perspective of what I'm trying to describe in my book.

Should I do it?

>pic related, she's wearing the hat.
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Don't hurt her.
I'd break her in half. Wear her out before break.
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Haven't read the other responses yet, but
if you know she'll not be seriously hurt in the end because nothing more happens, I'd 100% let her blow me. I have much more faps than sex, as I think everybody does, and a new mouth always feels better than your hand that you've greeted a thousand times before.
The only problem with drunken ugly dome is that you might have an annoyingly hard time coming, especially if her technique is shit.

Girls who know they're sucking upwards on the social ladder usually suck like champs though.

she looks like a nice person. Also I personally find her very attractive, but that's me. Too bad some pseud on /lit/ without any talent is probably going to try and use her.

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How does lit plot their novel? Chapter outlines? Graph's? Timelines?
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Writing flowed intuitively with some stops to plan things out until now. I wanted to advance the plot so I thought to myself "where am I and where am I going to end up in the near future. From there it was easy
I just keep those stuff in my brain, usually a string of scenes and context/theme building
I make it up as I go along.

(I have never finished a story in my entire life)

Do I look like some kind of unwashed pleb to you?
he's obviously rusing you shitty frogposter

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How's that novel of yours going, anon?
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why is it so difficult to write directly into a doc or whatever text editing software you choose? more importantly why is it easier to write on paper with pen or pencil? sometimes I just stare at the little blinking bar where the words are supposed to come from and then go back to /v/ or /pol/ or /lit/ or /hm/ or whatever.
that's just your autism
I have six going at once, and most of them aren't far along. I know that's not good, but Christ, I get an idea, pursue it, and then lose it. I hate it.
General rule is that only the ideas that stick with you are good enough to pursue. If you find your initial idea still interesting after a week (or month) it might be worth developing further.
>year is 9015
>the last three humans (man, woman, and child) live on an island off Louisiana
>after the parents die, the child begins to keep a diary, and the story is told through its entries
>once she becomes old enough to look in the mirror, she discovers she's not a true human, but the last of a race of highly evolved, vampiric humanoids that ruled the earth and kept people as cattle prior to an alien invasion that wiped them out
>goes out into the world after being sheltered all her life and deals with the devolved remnants of humans, eventually becoming a Messianic figure among some of them
>whole book begins with her writing like a child would, and her maturing is exhibited through the way she writes as the story goes on

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Wasn't to impressed by the TV series but it was decent. Anybody read it? Is it better? Worth reading?
read up until dexter in the dark

it's trash

The fourth book was good from what I recall, really bounces back after how terrible the third one is.
Haven't read them but I hear they're worse than the show.

هل يوجد هنا من يتحدث اللغة العربية؟
هل قرأت كتاب باللغة العربية أو كتاب عربي تمت ترجمته الى لغة أخرى تستطيع أنت قرأتها؟
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i meant to say that i look for any of naguib mahfuz' books.
Oh. I didn't recognize his name in Arabic so I thought محفوظ was preserved or known books
If you want his books in pdf I found this link and I tired one and it seems fine.


Hmm. For some reason the link gets fucked because the name of the author is in Arabic in it. Hopefully it'll work for you.
I don't speak terrorist, sorry faм
it works. now i have some reading to do :)
i know you are joking but people who think that way are missing out. arabic is one of the most beautiful and richest languages in the world.

Opinions on this?
It's a really comfy and funny retelling of Le morte d'arthur.
Makes me think of Magneto.
Same. Can't think of this book anymore without picturing that.

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What does /lit/ think about Bukowski?
Worst poetry that wasn't written by a fag teenager that I've ever read.
his books are fun
Not a big fan of his poetry, but I like his novels and short stories. Nice straight forward lumpenprolecore.
I enjoyed Ham on Rye & Post office when using public transport

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