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Is this some kind of slop or is it genuinely worth it? I've read nothing about it and skip every video I see about it.
The first couple books are pretty fun and decent quality, but the writing goes downhill in the later books and a lot of the setups are paid off in unsatisfying ways. I enjoyed Kaiju: Battlefield Surgeon more; it has the same virtues and flaws of DCC, but taken to greater extremes, and it's packed into a far more reasonable number of pages.
>>25338230>Kaiju: Battlefield SurgeonI've decided I'm gonna be different and not like the other chuds and read this before DCC.
I think it's interesting that in English to signal that something is not fact you often use past tense, even though it has nothing to do with being backwards in time. It's just used because the present moment is "more real" and the past is further removed from the real. Have you even thought about this?So you can say for example "if I had a million dollars". Notice "had" is past tense of "have" but this is not because it's in the past, it's because it's not fact, you don't actually have a million dollars, you're just thinking about it, hypothesizing, talking about something unreal, and the past is not as real as the present moment.I find this very interesting because some philosophies, spiritual traditions etc talk about how the present moment is the only thing that's real. So it makes you wonder if this is a vestige in the grammar from a time when people had a different conception of time.
>>25336546>Notice "had" is past tense of "have" but this is not because it's in the past, it's because it's not fact, you don't actually have a million dollars, you're just thinking about it, hypothesizing, talking about something unreal, and the past is not as real as the present moment.Yes. The past is just used to suggest distance. Distance from the present feels similar to distance from the real. It's sometimes called the "fake past" or "unreal past".>I find this very interesting because some philosophies, spiritual traditions etc talk about how the present moment is the only thing that's real. So it makes you wonder if this is a vestige in the grammar from a time when people had a different conception of time.Well, vaguely perhaps, but I don't think there's that much in it.
It's called the fake past tense and it's surprisingly common cross-linguistically. There are various theories as to why.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_conditional#The_grammar_of_counterfactuality
>>25336546ITT: babby's first subjunctive
>OP doesn’t know what subjunctive mood is. Right above this thread everyone’s talking about the literacy crisis. Good thing /lit/ users are above all that rigmoral
>>25336546Even if that were true, it isn't now.
"Garner's Modern English Usage" editionPrevious: >>25328063/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Discuss the written works below for practice; contribute, and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Shitposters should be ignored and reported.>Beginner guides on writing:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRMComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25338220Except for the fact that you can get them to make up bullshit
>>25338226Just take the L, bro. You tried to be a smart boy and point out some glaring "error" that NJB made to dismiss him outright. It wasn't an error. You've keyboard warrior'd all day for absolutely fucking nothing. Thanks for the promotion?
>>25338232NTA, just pointing out that posting LLM slop resolves nothing
>>25338235>LLM slopdetecting commonality of phrases is one of the main things LLMs were designed for. it can also source any of the major style guides for grammar. saying "slop" doesn't make it not true.
>>25338236Getting an LLM to generate it doesn't make it true.
>ww3 starts>you get drafted>what book are you bringing on deployment?
>>25338180I remembered finding some gems whenever we had to rare opportunity to stop at the big FOBs for whatever Bonfire of the VanitiesSome Warhammer slop The Big Stephen King ones
>>25338209>Warhammer>Stephen King>gemsZogbots are amusing.
>>25338214Those are gems over thereWe blew up all the libraries and didn’t exactly bring new ones to replace them
>>25338224it really doesn't bother that you enforced the will of evil pedophiles for a few shekels does it
>>25338228I got to graduate from college, great career Got free healthcare Got a mortgage on a houseGot a nice check in the mail every monthWhat the fuck you got?
>Spend the whole story building Cthulhu up as some grand cosmic entity that is powerful beyond imagination>Some random sailor dude single-handedly defeats him by ramming his boat into him and gets awayIs this some sort of practical joke? Did Lovecraft hide the pages of the true ending inside the cover of the book somewhere?
>>25332724>>25330970Something about the The Colour Out of Space always fascinated me. It's spooky how similar some of the details are to a nuclear disaster and also it' kinda terrifying to think about how The Colour might not even be sentient or at the very least just acting on some unknowable design without any malice, probably not even aware of the suffering it causes.Kind of the whole point of cosmic horror, in my opinion.
>>25330970The Music of Erich Zann is clearly the better work.
>>25337926The only one I read which was actually somewhat creepy, his stories are usually more fascinating, like the fish people from Innsmouth actually seem awesome and maybe it's worth it to yiff with them if you get to be immortal or whatever.
My favorite story is The Silver Key. It reminds me of how vivid my dreams were as a kid and how much I liked daydreaming. I sporadically try to get into lucid dreaming but I always forget to write my dreams down to remember them.
>>25338154Innsmouth is a great story, it's one of the few Lovecraft stories with a really compelling chase sequence, where you can really feel the stakes are high y'know? >>25338164I don't know why people laud The Silver Key so much when Beyond the Gate of the Silver Key is so much more mind-bending and psychedelic.
Now that it is officially over, what's your plan for surviving the post-literate world?
>>25338128>Dickens >Long and difficult They were pop lit printed in serials for the masses, like Dumas. While they're better quality than most pulp fiction, they weren't intended to be hardcore reading for elite college students. You cant blame the Victorian English either, Jane Austen was insanely popular among teenage girls until fairly recently.
>>25338128These are the old entrance requirements of UNC Chapel Hill>Entering students, according to an 1819 publication, were expected to be able to read the Bible in Greek, and to have read Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico (7 books), Virgil's Bucolics and Æneid, and Ovid in Latin, the latter in an "editio expurgata".
>>25336844Elite schools now only exist as a middle management training camp for half-literate brown women and a nepotized diploma mill for the kids of jewish bankers and politicians. Anyone who actually earns their admission and pay every cent are in the minority of suckers that I imagine are the subject of offhand jeering jokes around the jack-off-in-a-casket ritual pledges in the Skull & Bones house’s basement.
>>25337590My god you are a sheltered fool.
>>25338151I chuckled, nice post, anon.
I miss him. Although maybe it's good that he's not here currently because he would've triple killed himself after seeing what's going on. 2008 wasn't even that bad in comparison to now.
Dead sex pest
>>25337666>But being famous increased the number of women who would sleep with him or perhaps his sense that he needed to sleep with them. At his readings there were long lines everywhere he went, abundant “audience pussy”—a phrase Mary Karr used. He came back from one reading in New Orleans to tell Francis B. he had slept with a girl who was underaged. Corey Washington went to a reading in Washington, D.C., and saw two hundred people there, Wallace sedulously signing copies of A Supposedly Fun Thing. A young woman came up to them afterward. “I told you not to come here,” Wallace snapped. He was, he wrote a friend, “literally crazy” on the subject of sex. Once talking to Franzen he wondered aloud whether his only purpose on earth was “to put my penis in as many vaginas as possible.”UHHH OHHHH STINKY
>>25338189You have a neo-vagina.
>>25337545I love DFW but he isn't half the intellect of Delilo. And I have a feeling you haven't read all of Delilo's works. He has done a lot more than Underworld. Cheer up.
>>25337545i love him, not gay, just for a hug
What's your favorite poem?
>>25337571i'd kill myself if i wrote such a piece of shit
>>25337571CRINGEBANALUNINSPIRED
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>>25337866Of course you would. After all, you're no Dorothy Parker.
>>25337877Too bad you can't say that to the author. Dorothy would probably slice you and dice you with her wit.
Your ""classic romance"" books either contain rape (very common), loli, or shota. Yet I have yet to see a book, let alone hear of one, about feet? Why would this be?
>one of the ugliest, most dysgenic mutants you've ever seen>signed a petition to legalize pedophilia in France>"Authoritarianism is le bad because it won't allow me to fuck kids. I support Mao, BTW.">one of the left's biggest heroes and influencesReally makes me think.
>>25338027bovary fucked this thing? lol
somehow, he wasnt Jewish
>>25338162His essay on anti-Semitism was basically plagiarized from Mein Kampf lmao, he accused anti-Semites of doing the same things Hitler accuses Jews of doing.
>>25338027You look at this man and you know deep in your human soul that he just wants to fuck children and steal from you.
>>25338027>the leftmost of them don't know this guy tho. the ones that do also know his pedophilia support and his sexual abuse of minors along with the feminist de Beauvoir. moreover, he was highly inconsistent and sophistic, going so far as to support the USSR and Marxism later in his life and even attempt to fuse his existentialism and Marxism. Sartrean existentialism and Marxism can be fully fused along the lines he laid out, but it also makes him a highly contradictory person so he never completed it during his lifetime.
relaxing river meadow edition>What is /phil/ Philosophy General?A general for readers, students, and armchair thinkers interested in philosophy, whether it be Western, Eastern, analytic, continental, ancient, contemporary. We discuss primary texts, secondary literature, online lectures, podcasts.>Why read philosophy?Politics, science, psychology, etc. all began with or were inspired by someone who thought philosophically. Basically, if you are interested in just about anything, philosophy will help you better understand that subject. Because it is at the foundation of every conceptual institution made or discovered by humans, it is in the underbelly of human experience, and so it is worth taking seriously.>Why study philosophy formally?Surprisingly versatile and undervalued. Phil majors consistently score among the highest on the LSAT, GRE, and GMAT. Strong pipeline into law, policy, ethics consulting, AI alignment, and academia.Previous thread >>25285042
>>25337803Boethius - The Consolation of Philosophy
>>25318376A couple of YouTube videos are boiling Zapffe down to "Existential Elk Theory" and its finally given me some purpose in this struggle, namely to find out where they live and bludgeon their families with a gym sock full of master locks.
I'm so lost. I read some plato but idk what to do next
>>25337977Whoever is advising newfags to read Plato must face me in physical combat. Might does make right. Plato is a faggot, literally the first redditor
>>25337984I probably would not "get into" philosophy through Plato. It's obviously obligatory that one reads Plato, but he kinda sucks. At least the Dialogues do. Reading Republic now too like the other anon that posted here
I recently bought the book "1984", what other similar works do you recommend? I already have "a brave new world" and I want another book of this dystopian future stuff
>>25335446>I want another book of this dystopian future stuffIt's on old trope, but I really enjoyed how Simons depicted a world where humans coexisted with and where dependent on borderline omniscient AIs. Mind you, I've read this before ChatGPT was a thing, so when drawing parallels between the book and real life I mostly related it to how every service you use harvests your data for advertisement, and opting out is borderline impossible unless you want to become a hermit in the forest. I assume it's even more relevant now.Also on the recommendation of a friend I've only read the first two books, and I didn't regret it. I liked the ending and I don't need a continuation or an explanation for any of the things that were left ambiguous.
>>25335446Gravity's Rainbow
>>25335446Anthem, by Ayn Rand
>>25335446brave new world. the only way they'd make a movie about it now is if they give it the animal farm treatment or omit the trip in the book to the reservation. even the tv show they did a few years back basically glamorized the society and had to make it about class struggle.
>>25335446Why do you need recommendations? You said you have brave new world, read that.
What are the best anti-communist and anti-Marxist books? Philosophy, anthropology, sociology, economics, history, novels — anything goes.
>>25337845>Literally untrue. You must be a midwit if you think thisLol. In most large democracies the voter turn out never touches 80% . And even then no party ever wins 50% of vote. It would be better for you to debate on opinions rather than cold hard facts that you are ignorant of. >There was never a popular vote of proles in support of the Bolsheviks or CCP.I hope this was deliberately written to make anti-communists sound retarded otherwise I fear for you.First of all, Bolsheviks and other left wing parties did win A LOT of local elections in post Tsar liberal Russia. Bolsheviks had complete control of city Soviets while left wing Socialists had won in rural areas. As for both this case and CCP, there was enough public support to topple the extant regime and bring them to power. You may argue like a petulant child that it was not a majority vote or whatever but then NO PARTY in ANY large enough democracy gets a 50% vote anyway so that complaint is redundant. >. It was basically middle-class nerds pointing guns at the proles and saying "we're going to teach you to be communism-enjoyers over a period of several decades" - then proceeded to conduct radical social experiments on them against their will.You are yet again showcasing that your understanding of history comes less from actual facts and more from Red Scare propaganda nonsense. You are willing to lie (or tell lies that you were fed by others) to discredit communist moments as non-worker moments when in fact every communist movement in history EVER has been a mass worker movement. Sure they had educated intelligentsia in the leadership but those nerds would be nothing without the millions backing them. I suspect that, like a stubborn child, you will deny this fact again and again to validate your fantasy version of history where a bunch of "woke " humanities majors became dictators (how?). Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>25337935>Communism as an ideology was literally born out of 19th century worker agitation.Marx did not work, Engels was rich
>>25337935>when in fact every communist movement in history EVER has been a mass worker movementLOL, what horseshit. Every communist movement in history EVER has been the work of opportunistic demagogues: Lenin, Mao, Guevara, Pol Pot, Ho Chi Minh etc etc.
>>25321405This is the kind of engineerbrain ledgerhead shit that gets tens of millions of people killed by starvation>Did the farms know they were privately ownedyou just don't get human nature. you got no life experience
>>25321173Keynes. All of it. His works form the core of social democracy, which has consistently outpaced socialism in actually delivering economic outcomes. Keynesian policies brought us back from the 2008 recession and saved us from the 2020 almost-recession. Moreover, he is a reasonable middle ground between laissez-faire capitalism and command economy Soviet models, one that has been stress-tested and implemented even by socialist countries (looking at you, later USSR, current China). And even if mainstream economics denies being of any particular school, they will make you study Keynesian economics sooner or later.
new edition prev >>25333425
>>25338174>>25338170It's not-quite summer on a beautiful friday night; before the summerfags, but after everyone whose anyone has some form of plan, even if it's drinking in a lawn chair with an old playboy. Dont be so dramatic.
since u guys are all fuckups how do u deal with when u try to socialize in the city everyone is way more successful than u? like half the people at my gym make a shitload of money and have elite degrees
>>25338178oh shit is there a soccer game tonight? or knicks? normies love the sportsball
I walked back up to my bedroom, trying not think of the fact that pasta is supposed to be an easy recipe. Why didn't it turn out right? Did I pick out the wrong pesto? Should I have used the whole jar? Defeat slick on my tongue I log onto /lit/, stomach full but soul starving.
>>25338196I'm smarter and more charming. Or, more fun. Sometimes all three, but usually at least one.>>25338199Both I think. World cup for sure.
