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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

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I think Stephen King is an overrated hack. Do you guys agree?
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>>11191599
Overrated, sure. Hack, no.
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>>11191599
No, not really.

I think he's a dude who enjoys telling weird stories, but the pressures of society forced him to pump out some shit.
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>>11191599
you are on /lit/
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He shouldn't even be compared to the greats of literature but who is to say he is trying to rival them, he just writes his spooky stories or whatever
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>>11191599
nobody whose opinion matters rates him at all, he's just big in the "ALL LITERATURE IS CREATED EQUAL" crowd because he writes accessible, engrossing stories and they'd like to convince themselves that it's not an essentially intellectually bankrupt exercise

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Post your novel ideas. It's not like they're going anywhere.
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>>11190913
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>>11168011
This is genius. Fuck the haters, do it
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>>11191548
That's not much of an idea. That's not an insult, I'm not implying it's a bad idea, it's just not AN idea. It's a time period, location and an inciting incident.
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Are there any decent online sites for discussing in-progress works? I'm midway through writing a book and I'd like to talk through the plot with someone for advice, and of course I don't have anybody in real life.
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A Tehran native shitposts on /lit/ & lusts after his cute neighbour during the Arab Spring.
I call it...Waltz with Tapir

Why is Hemingway so unpopular among the more liberal, progressive minded readers of literature? Why is he pegged as a sexist misogynist? He liked brave and masculine men who were stoic in hardship, but I don’t see anything sexist in his writing. In fact, he seems pretty sympathetic to women in works like The Sun Also Rises, “Up in Michigan,” and “Hills Like White Elephants.”
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Dunno, I've only read The Old Man and the Sea of him but judging by it I guess people can't accept that doing something for that long will make you partially insane for it and that is perfectly fine. I've also heard that people are triggered by the dream sequences and agonize about what it means but to me book felt really straightforward and we know about protagonist's subconscious just as much as he does so it's not a big deal that we don't get every little thing. In any case I loved the book and the level of empathy and acceptance that protagonist achieved. Everything felt incredibly deserved and grounded, great little book.
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>>11191154
>spout endless platitudes
rancid cliché.
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>>11191140
Hemingway writes a good movie. If he were a filmmaker he'd be one of my favorite. However, this is not the case.
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>>11191864
You’re wrong. Hemingway’s beauty would be lost on film because his writing forced you to read between the lines and infer meaning from what isn’t explicitly stated. On film the ambiguities would be lost.
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>>11191140
Say what you will, Hemingway was an extremely aesthetic looking writer. He’s got the jaw, receding gray hair, beard/mustache, scar and weary looking eyes that say “I’ve lived.” Only Joyce is more aesthetic looking.

>Nietzsche had some natural talent for sarcasm: he could sneer, though he could not laugh; but there is always something bodiless and without weight in his satire, simply because it has not any mass of common morality behind it. He is himself more preposterous than anything he denounces. But, indeed, Nietzsche will stand very well as the type of the whole of this failure of abstract violence. The softening of the brain which ultimately overtook him was not a physical accident. If Nietzsche had not ended in imbecility, Nietzscheism would end in imbecility. Thinking in isolation and with pride ends in being an idiot. Every man who will not have softening of the heart must at last have softening of the brain.

How will Nietzscheans ever recover?
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>>11191847
The Abrahamic mind virus will do that to you.
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>>11191847
*The only reason you reject it is brain damage
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>>11191847
18th-20th Anglo-Catholic converts are especially rotten in this regard. I don't think it's necessarily universal.
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>>11191847
Only the Church possesses the charisma of Truth.

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What does /lit/ think of Julius Evola?
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>>11191302
Why does he inspire so much vitriol?
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>>11191257
>I believe Evola will go down as one of the great minds of the 20th century.

The most valuable aspects of his thought were themselves better expounded by Guenon
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>>11191302
What particularly annoys me is the part about rape. It literally omits words and avoids sentences. The whole passage is him talking about how despite man's feeling that he has possessed a woman by lusting after her and even raping her, that is always a delusion that they are always passive with respect to what fascinates them

Never trust Wikipedia for anything
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>>11191302
lol wow
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>>11190986
>Joseph de Maistre is heavily influenced by Edmund Burke

Tbh this a bit of a meme. Burke was a 1688 Conservative Whig, he believed in preserving the traditional settlement of 1688 based in Protestant Christianity.

Maistre was an Ultramontaine Catholic who basically believes the Pope should rule like an absolute monarch across the entirety of Europe. He agreed with Burke only on a surface-level.

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Would it be cringy to write an article about how evil humans are in a very poetic fashion?
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Just do it.
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>>11191007
It depends entirely on what you're doing poetically and your poetic skills.
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>>11191250
>wonder where that absolute cringefest came from
>it's a weeb cartoon
of course, of course
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No if you poetry is good. Yes if it's bad.
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Most men are not wicked. Men become bad and guilty because they speak and act without foreseeing the results of their words and their deeds. They are sleepwalkers, not evildoers.

What was the point of this nigger?
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>>11190737
He gave each of the Hobbits a knife from the Barrow-downs. There was nothing magical about them, they were just high quality blades from an earlier time.
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>>11190737
>>11190974
Yes, there are some words somewhere that indicate that the blade from the Barrow-downs was especially powerful in injuring the Witch-King of Angmar (the chief of the Nazgul).
One version of it is in The Battle of the Pelennor Fields, but that's not the version that I remember. I don't know where the version that I remember is.
In any case, that is the only connection between Bombadil and just about anything that happens later. He could have been excised; indeed both Bakshi and Jackson excised him, leaving things like the horrible OP image from the execrable Brothers Hildebrandt as one of the only visual depictions of him.
He must have been important to Tolkien, because he left him in even though he wasn't instrumental to the rest of the story. Tolkien must have felt that there was something significant about him.
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>>11189574
Certainly, but to play along with the conceit, Bilbo was writing the book up to the council of Elrond as well as the Silmarillion. Frodo wrote the rest of the book on the War of the Ring, though it was Sam that wrote the last chapter. So the fox passage isn't some kind of weird lore, just a stylistic eccentricity on Bilbo's part.
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>>11191486
Tolkien was a very sentimental writer, so I'm willing to bet that Bombadil was a character he had come up with earlier, became fond of him, and decided to include him in the book.
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>>11180539
do you think a guy with a hot fairy wife and doesn't do anything but sing and dance around the woods would give a fuck about the mere triflings of mortals?

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What are some books about redemption that will inspire me to escape being a loser and an incel? Please I'm trying to escape but I keep falling back in the pit.
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>>11190933
That's the issue I have. I don't care enough about football for this to work.
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>>11190762
Sort yourself out, buckaroo.
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>>11191312
Had the same type of friends and fallout with them. 23 was also the peak of my anxiety. You really need to avoid porn. I can't express the mental and physical change that happens when you stop degrading your soul even for 1 week. You hear people on steroids get roid rage and become monsters, nofap/noporn is akin to the mental change only not negative.

You sleep less because your body isn't recovering from loss of the fluid that creates life. Instead it gets reabsorbed and regenerates all your cells, muscles and skin so you look like a perfect version of yourself. Because you're not watching porn and you have all this energy you actually feel like doing things you usually put off. The increase in testosterone cannot be understated. Not just the body but the mind becomes compleetly different. I'm convinced that anxienty is an effect of low testosterone. The opposite of anxiety obviosuly being self confidence comes from having high testosterone.

The key to defeating porn addiction is to simply keep offline. Don't turn on your computer or phone all day. See all the things you get done and how you begin to look better every single day as a result of living naturally. The lustful thoughts can be easily cut down before they take root when you aren't triggered by porn or lewd images online. Its being online when you instinctively check /b/ etc and fall into a pattern of dopamine triggers.

Kill it while its still only a thought and nofap is easy.

And start meditating. This is what creates a vision and light in your life. You're probably borderline nihilistic and hopeless like I was at your age. Just sit down on a pillow against the wall to support your back cross legged and meditate for 10 minutes. Only 10 mins out of your NEET day. You can do it right now. All you have to do is close your eyes, focus on yoru breathing and silence the mind. Thoughts chatter endlessly and the key is to just put all your focus on the breathing and let the thoughts fade away without being taken by them. You get better each time you meditate because its not easy to tame yoru mind as you'll find out.,

Here's a guided meditation that helps remove negative blocks that hold you back in life and cause anxiety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1RdEVXWXbU
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Flannery O’Connor’s short stories.
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>>11190762
Become an Uber driver. It's a way to talk to people without having to look them in the eye. You can work up from there.

does anyone else enjoy christian mysticism?

sure, the bible is great but so are the saints...

let us discuss the spiritual path of christianity, the metanoiac transformation that sets us free

kempis' imitation of christ is a meditation on egolessness equal to any buddhist scripture, carried by ramkrishna

francis de sales' introduction to the devout life is an incredible practical manual on how to begin a spiritual quest

john climacus' ladder of divine ascent is a full course of mystical theurgy

pseudo-dionysius' celestial hierarchy explains the archetypal intelligences like no other

john of the cross' dark night of the soul is comforting to those who find themselves in existential despair on the path

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I didn't see a bible general or anything, so what's the best babby's first? NIV?
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>>11191590
The Septuagint + the original Koine Greek New Testament
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>>11191588
Frankly, it doesn't sound like you're interested in "metaphysics": it sounds like you have opinions. I mean, where is your notion of an awakening coming from? What do you expect that to look like?
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>>11191598
Eυχαριστώ Avωv
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>>11191618
How would I not be interested in metaphysics? The idea of an uncreated universe is very within in the realm of metaphysics

My notion of awakening is based off what I've read and personally experienced. It seems to clear to me that there is indeed some sort of all-pervading truth, that one can tap into through spiritual effort, and that all the great traditions (such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism, Sufism, mystic Christianity, etc.) have at their core.

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Did you make progress on writing your novel today?
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>>11186075
you wrote the ending before a large chunk of your novel?
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>>11190773
Not gonna make it, brah.
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>>11190773

is she a crab
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>>11191833
Huh?
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>>11191833
l00l

Is he the next Yung or Camoo?
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>>11190776
He's obviously pretty intelligent and his lectures are insightful but his new book made me lose so much respect for him, it was too obviously made to appeal to the drooling manchildren that worship him instead of producing anything of literary worth
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>>11190776
He always looks tired, depressed, and stressed out.
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>>11190776
More like the next Dr. Phil
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>>11190776
He's just saying common sense stuff. When has that been so radical?
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>>11190776
he da next kang

Why are there no female philosophers worth mentioning?
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>>11191381
females tend to not have to contemplate and quantify their thoughts and actions, and even when presented with an opposing thought they tend to rationalize and justify, or completely refute their way of being in denial.

They are too cared for in society, so much that they are tired of it. the sad thing is, they cant even understand why they're tired of being treated well. their form of philosophy is strictly feminist, and it doesnt make any sense.
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>>11191843
>50th century.
being that far ahead of her time is truly impressive
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>>11191381
G. E. M. Anscombe on intentionality and action
P. Foot on rationality of morality and naturalness of goodneed
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Simone de Beauvoir
J.S. Mill had help from his wife writing ‘On Liberty’ .

I would argue Virginia Woolf as well.
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>>11191762
I agree, white men should start working on having those waifubot 9000's ready within the next few decades.

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I am not a man and never will be so I will never deserve to fuck a female.
Is this logical reasoning?
Books for this feel?
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>>11191766
I've noticed feminist women from tinder like it especially...
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>>11191679
>I am not a man and never will be so I will never deserve to fuck a female.
>Is this logical reasoning?
>Books for this feel?
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>>11191679

>in the best
>the rest

> in the best better than the rest ?

Who the fuck is this bitch.

We choke them because that completely retarded animal part of us that drives to possession finds axtualizztion in actions of physical dominance. Especially if s woman because our penis does something to them. Or they make it seem like it’s does something to them. Because it seeming like it does something to them does something to us and. Well.

We want to do this to them. What do you think they want to do to us?

This man is choking this woman and tattood on her body are words telling you she owns every boy who crawls into bed with her.
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>Is this logical reasoning?
No, sonds like low self-esteem.
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Incel holocaust when?

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What books expose the pretentiousness of the scientific community?
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>>11191747

Thanks, any more?
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>>11191700
Isabelle Stengers - Cosmopolitics II (Posthumanities)

also recommended
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for social sciences,
The Counter-Revolution of Science
as well as anything by Thomas Szasz

HL Mencken usually will have bants against science as well
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a modern best
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Kuhn, "The structure of scientific revolutions"



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