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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs)
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb
>Archive
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg
>Goodreads
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

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>>23500210
Wikipedia tells me he's an Australian mathematician and hard sci-fi writer
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>>23500217
Yeah but he's too big brained to be australian.
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Did literally not a single thing wrong.
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>>23500229
newfaggotry at its worst
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>>23500239
I love Greg Egan bro.

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Cosmic Hibernation edition

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Picrel is Mahavishnu in his Ananthashayanam form. Anantha = cosmic/infinity and Shayanam = slumber/hibernation. There's a famous temple in Kerala, Southern India, that is said to be the abode of this sleeping form of Vishnu.

I love this image and this conceptualization of Vishnu. I do not know the actual religious story behind it, but I do love to imagine it in a particular way. We are all merely the dreams of an all-powerful Vishnu sleeping all comfy and cozy on his snake with his loving wife beside him atop an endless calm ocean, just breathing, simply swaying. The idea that I am always in Vishnu's thoughts brings me so much comfort. Makes me feel it'll all be okay.
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I don't hear a word they saying only the echoes of my mind
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>>23500192
>I don't hear a word they saying
https://youtu.be/55xQu9eIPIA?si=bRFiv1ZwgDKrA_3J
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>>23499972
They don't need to play stairway to prove they can play guitar, and they're playing old songs so people can join in
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb9A6RMgrlI
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>>23499899
Puritans were considered sex freak radicals because they're the start of
>God gave us sex for pleasure
That's why they had to move
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Ever since around 12:00 this afternoon my torso has been hurting. My stomach randomly and my chest whenever I breathe in.

> You have to go all the way down to number 81 on Amazon’s bestseller list to find a book by a “literary” writer.
>That would be “All Fours,” by Miranda July, the writer-filmmaker-artist.
>Things are so bad that Dale Carnegie’s “How to Win Friends and Influence People,” originally published in 1936, is at number 96.
>What’s missing? What we used to call literary or quality books. There is no breakout hit. We used to read the bestseller list and count “real” books by Philip Roth, John Irving, Margaret Atwood, VS Naipaul, and so on. Even Amazon’s Literature and Fiction list is cluttered with pedestrian commercial fare, not the stuff that comes from the Iowa Writers Workshop, or Yaddo.

>This shabby state of the business is definitely causing trouble in the book business. Three weeks ago, two major literary publishers were fired without notice. Reagan Arthur, the publisher of Alfred A. Knopf, and Lisa Lucas, the publisher of Pantheon and Schocken were dismissed.
>Last week, Little Brown laid off seven top editors including Tracy Sherrod, Pronoy Sarkar, Jean Garnett and Ben George. They were just as shocked.
https://www.showbiz411.com/2024/06/13/book-publishing-in-crisis-as-self-help-airport-fiction-dominate-amazon-literary-publishers-fired

What happened? How do we stem the bleeding?
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>>23499579
I agree. Without at least some notion of a specific taste a publisher has no value (credibility?) as an institution. The problem that I see with consolidation is that by removing competition from the equation these imprints have no reason to self-differentiate.
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>>23497019
>> You have to go all the way down to number 81 on Amazon’s bestseller list to find a book by a “literary” writer.
>>That would be “All Fours,” by Miranda July, the writer-filmmaker-artist
nah
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>>23499611
The author of that infamous/lit/ book "Incel" is actually pretty interesting in that regard, engaging with a lot of contemporary work. I think the "Mars Review" is another kind of alt literature review that seems to be trying new things. You can find both of them on substack. I'm probably one of the people you're describing, but there's a very practical reason for it which is that current IP laws make publishing anything written past the 1950s legally dubious, which leaves you with a lot of fascists and forgotten men of history as the lowest hanging fruit. The writers who are soliciting small alt-presses are, more often than not, outright terrible if not actually suffering from mental illness, and soliciting people over publication rights as an independent press can be fraught. Unless you happen to have a lot of personal friends who are skilled writers then you need to deal with the reality of circumstance. Usually people who are driven enough to write a novel and smart enough to write a good novel will opt to self publish over risking their IP to an unknown publisher, so it is difficult to simply start a literary publishing house in the classical definition without having someone like André Gide who already has a high degree of literary authority while having also gathered a lot of fresh talent. At this point, I'm not sure if our culture is capable of producing a Gide.
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>>23497019
The real problem is that traditional publishing is miserable. For novels, you have to find an agent who likes your work enough to try and sell it to a publisher, and the process of getting your work sold and published can take years. For short works of prose and verse, you have to submit your work to a team of editors who are almost never transparent about their process, and it can take weeks or months for them to get back to you with a rejection. On top of that, you're subjecting yourself to the whims of institutions that demonstrably cannot identify works of true and lasting greatness. Countless authors who are now recognized as literary titans were spurned by the publishing industry for decades.
Traditional publishing was only tolerated for so long because the big publishing houses controlled what most people read, and you had to go through them to make any sort of living from writing. In the digital age, this is no longer the case. The Internet has democratized publishing such that you no longer need to jump through so many hoops to get your work out there. The trade-off is that you have to handle your own marketing, and standing out among a sea of self-published writers is difficult. Worthy writers, especially younger ones, are increasingly concluding that this trade-off is worth it. With them gone, traditional publishing institutions have nothing left to put out but slop.
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Oh no! It's the market meeting demand!

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any books on acceptance of mediocrity?
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>>23500197
What is funny is how pathetic you are. You did not give any information to "get". Just meaningless derision and covert bitching.
Go then, die slow and purposefully, throw yourself into the tar-pit and refuse the assistance of bystanders as you moan and curse and blame the accursed universe for your worthless life.
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>>23500209
Theres too many people like you, a template, you won’t ever understand “it” if you need to be given information to understand. Though being so oblivious is beneficial for our predicament here. Theres no bitching, theres acceptance and content, no blame, it just is what it is
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>>23500216
Don't think I don't know what you mean, I do, but I want you to explain it to your pathetic self. Maybe you will hear the nonsense and shock yourself. You didn't think hard enough, sorry. Cry forever if you must.
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I'm with the normies on this one. Find fulfilment in raising a family and enjoy your hobbies.
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>>23497769
https://grugbrain.dev/

barristan's new knights edition
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I just finished a dance with dragons. He's never going to finish the rest of the series, is he?
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>>23498541
The ride never ends and more people still choose to get in the trolley.
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>>23498541
Fat piece of shit sold his soul to Hollywood. ASOIAF is now a cinematic universe.
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>>23498355
>do you think essos is connected to north?
Martin said no
>it would make sense cuz there was "others" in yi ti long night...
The Others weren't in Essos
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>>23499511
>Implying he had a soul

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>Nooooooo my fantasies are real! The fact that I feel guilty PROVES that morality is real, it isn't just because of evolution and societal conditioning! Everything my parents said was true! I hate science! I hate reason! Didn't you read this completely fictional story I made up where every character is a neurotic freak? It PROVES that blindly accepting Christ will solve all your problems!
Why do people take him seriously again?
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I got 40% into Crime and Punishment before I put it down. I do not think Mr Dostoevsky is a very good writer but then again I don't know what exactly is missed in translation compared to the original Russian. Furthermore I have tried to read his short stories and also didn't like those. I thought them meandering and soppy.
That being said he clearly had a keen eye for the human condition, psychology and theology. I just think it's a shame you have to wade through so much chaff to get to the wheat.
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>>23494415
OP's anus in shambles
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>>23498632
I slogged all the way to the end and it does not get any better. Just a horrendously bad novel on every level.
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>>23494410
Based.
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>>23498632
>>23498942
filtered

Nihilists make the same mistake as existentialists. They only seek meaning from a human perspective. Whether the evolutionary process is random, intelligent, or if it even has an ultimate purpose is largely irrelevant. The matter of fact is that evolution is very real. I believe the reason humanity has such a weird relationship with it is because it denies humanity's narcissism. I don't think people were as upset with the denial of "God" as they were with what "God" represented, i.e., the ultimate ideal of what humans represent. Wisdom, justice, intelligence, reason, strength, culture, etc., humanity projected what they valued and admired about themselves onto "God," thinking of him as a "perfect human being" and themselves as his lesser but intelligent followers, superior to other organisms created just for them. Evolution shattered this vision of humans, reducing their intelligence, which they took great pride in, to a mere attribute rather than a position in the hierarchy. Even embarrassingly connecting their ancestry to that of creatures they deemed lower. The planet that was once ruled by gaint lizards, succeeded by sophiscated mammals, will eventually be inherited by mere insects that have none of the wisdom of their predecessors. It is also why creationists try so hard to isolate humans from the phylogenetic tree or declare human life as its ultimate purpose. They are unable to reconcile the fact that, ironically, evolution treats all of its children equally and is based on minimal adaptation rather than purpose.
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>>23498225
just go in directly. it's not a particularly technical book.
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>>23498330
Why biomass?
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>>23495583
Bergson
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/bergson/#CreaEvol
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>>23495580
How do you come up with such a terrible take? The philosophical response to evolution was to understand man as the evolved pinnicle of nature that we had a duty to evolve to greater greatness through eugenics, not any of this pessmist "bugs will replace us" babble.
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>>23500153
That's because you are retarded. Social Darwinism has nothing to do with "Darwinism" or even evolution. It's just morons not understanding evolution and making up there own assumptions.
>understand man as the evolved pinnicle of nature that we had a duty to evolve to greater greatness through eugenics,
No such thing as greatness in evolution, you narcissistic ape.

Is this the best possible book cover for "Lolita"?
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>>23499304
2/2
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>>23499033
My potions are too strong for you, Humbert
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>>23498695
>this one freaks me out but is suuuuuper evocative
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That one desk from /a/.
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>>23496265
oh how you have to cringe and hide...

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"There's a Storm Coming" edition

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>>23499803
How many characters do you have? I only have two in my story, so I feel like I've gotten to know them pretty well, even though I didn't explicitly map them out or anything.
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>>23500038
>I only have two in my story
What is it, a story of two dudes stranded on a deserted island?
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>dont feel like writing all day, feel dont have any idea what I'm going to do next for my story
>lay down for bed, really need to get to sleep so I dont sleep in
>mind instantly wanders to my writing project and spend hours working out problems and thinking up new details

Why cant I do this during the day when I can write it all down and actually make progress
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>>23500186
Happens to me literally every time. I woke up at 4:30 a.m. today doing this.
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>>23500186
>>23500226
same

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Reading his speech makes me think the greks were superhumans with a mean IQ of 130.
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>>23499748
Are you suggesting that the average ancient greek was more virtuous that modern man? Because it sounds like you're just basing that off of the idealised version that is depicted in art as opposed to the real thing
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>>23499676
>The steady rising of IQ scores over the last century – known as the Flynn effect – causes IQ tests norms to become obsolete over time. To counter this effect, IQ tests are "renormed" (made harder) every 15-20 years by resetting the mean score to 100 to account for the previous gains in IQ scores.
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>>23495782
This is actually true. Also let's acknowledge his talent for catchy nicknames, things like Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe or Lyin' Ted Cruz immediately glued themselves to those characters
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>>23493312
It is the general impression of ancient humans in comparison to cave-dwelling hunter-gatherers. It is easy to think that they weren't as lucid or aware as we are now, and is probably what made an impression on OP.
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>>23498904
what matters more is the g-factor underlying IQ, the Flynn effect wasn't related to increasing g-factor, so renormalizing it doesn't imply an increase of basal intelligence

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After 12 years reading the western canon and the east asian classics I have come up with a definitive list of the very best of them. Memorize all these books if possible:

Flaubert, everything.
Proust, everything.
Dickens, Bleak House, A Christmas Carol, David Copperfield.
Melville, Moby-Dick.
Wittgenstein, everything.
Kierkegaard, everything.
Tolstoy, A Confession, Kreutzer Sonata.
Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment, The Idiot, Brothers Karamazov, Demons.
Shikibu, The Tale of Genji.
Xueqin, The Story of the Stone.
Laozi, Tao Te Ching.
The Bible.
Musil, The Man without Qualities.

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>>23494942
The most tryhard cringe faggot list ever posted
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> Don’t read Virgil! Read some shitty Japanese comic book!
Stupid anime poster
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>>23495055
>I tend to mostly agree with Nabokov’s criticism of him
>No Nabokov on the OP list
Hmmm

Also "Shikibu" is a title, it wasn't her name
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>>23495165
Horseshit, gramps. I'm 36, well read, and there are still people ten years my junior who have read me into the dust. Don't mistake your life-lessons for being universally applicable. That said, OP is a retard.
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>>23494942
>Xueqin, The Story of the Stone.
>Laozi, Tao Te Ching.
You read translations, also the surname of the author of 红楼梦 is 曹 (cao) not xueqin which is his first name

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Lettuce have a stack thread
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>>23497620
what am i looking at?
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>>23498243
My Own Words - Ruth Bader Ginsburg
A Promised Land - Barack Obama
Becoming - Michelle Obama
Obama An Intimate Portrait - Pete Souza
Harry Potter 1-7 - JK Rowling
Animal Farm - George Orwell
Stuff You Should Know - Josh Clark and Chuck Bryant

You're welcome ;)
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>>23489298
all my books have stains of coke, speed, cathinones, dissos
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>>23495272
I started with White Noise and have read Libra and The Names, all honestly seem like perfectly fine places to start. I've seen people say don't start with Underworld strictly for it being considered his best, pretty far and away as far as I can tell, so work up to it if you like him. However, again having not read it yet, I hear Underworld is just a great American novel, so may be worth trying even for anyone who may not vibe with Delillo normally.

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Nietzsche's Master vs Slave mentality is brilliant,
What dawned on me was how people who are predisposed to slave mentality will eventually adopt ALL the values of what Nietzsche wrote about slaves. They can't help it, it's psychological. And if they follow the slave morality, then they will eventually idolize the Ascetic Ideal.

>Why are trannies so worshipped?
>Why are the rights of children and women being trampled on to prop up such bizarre people?
It's because they embody the Ascetic's Ideal.
Slaves idolize the martyr, the victim, the persecuted.
A Tranny is 3 things, a mutilated, a mentally ill, a homosexual, and a eunuch. With these qualities, a tranny is like a liberal progressive Rabbi, an automatic saint. These trannies are more ascetic than Buddhist monks or any saint that abstained from sex!

This is why otherwise rational people are becoming entranced by this transgender agenda. They can't help it, because they idolize the Ascetic Ideal. And Transgender Children are like sacred idols.
This isn't some weird ritual, it's human psychology. A Slave cannot help themselves. This is why Trannies are bending the rules for themselves at the expense of others.
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>>23500165
You people are insane.
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>>23500165
This is to, this is what your larping will accomplish. you'll terrify children and kill yourself when the delusion breaks for just a moment. I'm sure the festering surgery isn't any help either.

You don't love women, you just hate yourself and resent men.
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>>23500165
kek
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>>23499876
>"Fear not, for I am with you"
Let all the earth fear the Lord;
Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.


>"Be fruitful and multiply"
If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out.

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If LOTR was published a couple hundred years before 1954 there would be amazing impressionist oil paintings depicting scenes from the book in museums and shit
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>>23496860
>If LOTR was published a couple hundred years before 1954
It would have been a bizarre oddity that very few people would have even know of.
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>>23496860
LoTR isn't good enough to have great art made about.

Grow up.
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on the other hand, we have this
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>>23499221
>Golla
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>>23496862
>movies' aesthetic
I thought they had known LOTR artists of the time help with the art design of the films?


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