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>late 60s>a literal 17 years old Italian princess starts translating the Lord of the Rings >in the following decade, it somehow gets extremely popular within far right circles>they even held yearly Woodstock-like fascist youth festivals called "Hobbit Camps" >some people claim owning a copy was almost a political statement back then >LoTR becomes part of essential fascist literature, and the strong Tolkien-far right association lasts for decades>in the early 2000s, the Peter Jackson movie trilogy fully popularized Tolkien (outside of the italian fascist environment)>the Italian dub still uses the "fascist" translation as a reference for names, places and general terms >at some point, the book publisher stops paying the old princess her translation royalties (being a rich aristocrat, she doesn't even notice)>less than a decade ago, the far right starts getting popular again; their italian political parties are largely made of right-wing/far right boomers that grew up reading Tolkien>the italian publisher then decides LoTR must be re-translated>all the names and terms are purposely changed and replaced with new ones (some people claim they did it to fully distance the books from the classic "fascist" translation), even when it wasn't really needed>the publisher starts promoting the new edition by shitting on the princess and her translation, stating it was awful and full of errors ("every page had 500 mistakes")>the princess, whose translation was reportedly approved by Tolkien, sues the publisher, basically claiming they're tarnishing the legacy of her work for a marketing ployComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>23903088Peak jewishnessReminder this is all the intellectual depth Jews are capable of.The childish insult is the entirety of their "argument"It's pointless to argue just call them the Jews they are and move on
good thread
is anyone working on an english translation of the italian epic from lotr?
>>23917842Yah Nirgren Ta'waanza
In a few weeks a new translation of The Hobbit will come out as well. It is being made by Wu Ming 4, a commie who hates when the right takes ownership of Tolkien, but doesn't care when he does the same. This faggot wrote a book in which apparently Tolkien is mentally ill and shits himself
>Now I have neither happiness nor unhappiness. Everything passes. That is the one and only thing I have thought resembled a truth in the society of human beings where I have dwelled up to now as in a burning hell. Everything passes. This year I am twenty-seven. My hair has become much greyer. Most people would take me for over forty.
>>23920077>27 yr old looks 40What being an unironic cuckold does to a nigger.
>>23920077Ok boomer
>>23920077He looked good and had sex, he has nothing to complain about.
>>23920081>>23920112>>23920141You're the reason people with souls like him suffer. Bunch of souless hylics.
>>23920269>is fundamentally attractive, talented, darkly charismaticPeople like him don't suffer. They only wish they could suffer.
>at only 26 she became the voice of a generationHow did she do it?
>>23920261literally who
"Cuneiform" editionPrevious: >>23907055/wg/ AUTHORS & FLASH FICTION: https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQRESOURCES & RECOMMENDATIONS: https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvCPlease limit excerpts to one post.Give advice as much as you receive it to the best of your ability.Follow prompts made below and discuss written works for practice; contribute and you shall receive.If you have not performed a cursory proofread, do not expect to be treated kindly. Edit your work for spelling and grammar before posting.Violent shills, relentless shill-spammers, and grounds keeping prose, should be ignored and reported.(And maybe double-space your WIPs to allow edits if you want 'em.)Simple guides on writing:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Has anyone else sort of just lost their passion for writing lately? Since I started self-publishing a few months ago, it just seems like a hellish amount of work for very little reward. I know this has always been true to a degree and like most authors making any significant profit was never my goal, but it feels like everything is conspiring against writers nowadays. Declining readership, shortening attention spans, more easily accessible forms of entertainment, AI(not actually competing yet but clogging shit up), readers becoming increasingly incapable of separating the artist from the work, needing to do your own advertising via social media, etc. I'm starting to seriously consider just going to trade school next year. Maybe if this went back to being a hobby I did for myself and shared with a handful of family and friends I'd be able to find the joy in it again.
>>23920240I'm the opposite, my passion is still there but work and life is dragging me down every day. The truth is the grass is always greener, anon, and sometimes you need to keep trucking on through the passionless stage.
>>23920232Fair, makes sense>There is a constant thread of readability throughout infinite jest despite everything, which comes from a thorough understanding of what makes fiction tick.How do I understand what makes fiction tick a la DFW, anon?
>>23920231What would you reccomend using? Scrivener?
>>23920264That's what I use. It has everything you'd need.
Good books on loneliness?
>>23918130Man in Old English is the name of the race/species as you might see in high fantasy for instance. Women and children are also men. WoMAN, huMAN. And also because we fucking ROCK
>>23918075>>23918153I don't know if it was good or bad, but it certainly didn't fill me with sorrow—quite the opposite. I felt that everything up to that point in the book had peaked there. When I started reading, I was looking for something, though I didn't know what, maybe the comfort that comes from relating to someone else.In that chapter, I found acceptance. It didn’t strike me as sad. It was short and beautiful. I finally saw a man accepting the futility of dwelling on the past and worrying about the future, while also realizing that even within that futility, you can still have a pleasant day.After finishing the chapter, I thought: this is exactly how I feel right now, and, for now at least, there’s no point in reading further.
>>23919291Me too fren. I wish I'd never been born life is such a pointless hell.
>>23914586The Odyssey particularly book 5 on the island of Ogygia.It is about spiritual loneliness in a world of sensual delights. Calypso offers him anything he could wish for and yet his being parted from his wife is his greatest unfulfilled desire. I am sure the typical anon here could sympathize with that. Feeling lonely in a more complex way and feeling spiritually empty in a way that women or money could never fill even were you to get them.
>>23919427Suicide or monkhood. Flip a coin. God doesn't feed off your misery, don't be so insipid. Life isn't a jrpg
This dialogue’s basic proposition falls apart once you realize that Ion misconstrues disliking something (in this instance, Hesiod whom he considers far inferior to Homer which is definitely true but point aside.) with having nothing at all to say about it. This entire dialogue is just weak and I can see why it would turn people off of Plato. I reread it and just wanted to bitch about it because it is very lacking.
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>>23920255I read all of this first one but haven’t gotten to the other two yet.I agree with the main theme that Ion the dialogue seems more concerned with Plato seething at poetry and interpreters. At the very end, Socrates says “either poetry is an art and you the interpreter are a con artist or poetry is divinely inspired and you the interpreter as well as the writer of the poem have no real ability of your own yet are honest.” The dialogue seems a complex way for Socrates to dunk on poets and artists. Even his apparent appraisal of Homer early in the dialogue can be read ironically. Everything the guy says is hidden behind sarcasm and untruthfulness.
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Im a stem student, 22yo and in 2 year of uni give or take. Most mondays i come down to my local library to sit down and skip classes I can easily pass without a profesor. Im re-reading Cervantes off an old and marked-up as book filled notes from Alberto Blecua(recommended) and all I see around me is young kids with computers and tablets coding in python a shitty calendar and I keep questioning myself, is enjoying this little hobby is worth it or should I give it all up, study computer science down to the bone as I'm supposed to? and as fast as possible aswell to snatch a good job and live a pleasant life. I know I will get there by both paths but man, I really want to feel human in the journey and this is the only way I know. Should I give up and push with the flow or build myself slowly tántalo style?How does the academic mind work? Is professionalism spaced away from personal interests or for a great mind to be constructed in a niche place in this word one must abandon it's previous self and become the area of study it wants to take doman over?
op here. i have killed my academic future and back to burggerflippin. Going to /gif rn. Dismiss my previous clueless bantter. never reading again
>>23919188*Eggy
>>23919157Computer science is already full of dopes with degrees. It's not worth it, study engineering like a grown up if you want to get a job.
>22yo>IS iT OvEr??!! XDDDDDNo its not over. But if you dont get your head out of your ass and stop treating everything like its a big fucking joke then you will regret that
>>23919157>Im a stem studentOnce you see the sheer magnitude of functional illiteracy in your peers prose, you will appreciate the power of having at your command sound prosody. You know what's a fucking pain in the dickhole? Trash prose in papers. Efficient, clean - even elegant - technical and scientific writing will give you an advantage in the research and grant writing world. Anagogic thinking is what gives us innovation. Keep at it with reading and appreciating literature-- expand it to other media. Never stop. And remember, picrel. Cultivate your own taste in things.
Races and Species EditionWelcome to /wbg/, the official thread for the discussion and development of fictional worlds and settings.Here is where you can share the details of your created worlds such as lore, factions, magic systems, ecosystems and more. You can also post maps for your settings, as well as any relevant art, either created by you or used as inspiration for your work. Please remember that dialogue is what keeps the thread alive, so don't be afraid of giving someone feedback!FAQ:>What is worldbuilding?Worldbuilding is the process of creating entire fictional worlds from scratch, all while considering the logistics of these worlds to make them as believable as possible. Worldbuilding asks questions about the setting of a world, and then answers them, often in great detail. Most people use it as a means of creating a setting or the scenery for a story.>"Isn't there a Worldbuilding general in >>>/tg/ already?"Yes, there is. However, that general is focused on the creation of fictional worlds for the intended purpose of playing TTRPG campaigns. Here you can discuss worldbuilding projects that are not meant to be used for a roleplaying setting, but for novels, videogames, or any other kind of creative project.>"Can I discuss the setting of my campaign here, though?"If you want to, but it would probably be better to discuss it on >>>/tg/ . We don't allow the discussion of TTRPG mechanics, however. If you want to discuss stats or which D&D edition is best, this is not the place.>"Can I talk about an existing fictional setting that is not mine?"Yes, of course you can!>"Does worldbuilding need to be about fantasy and elves?"Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
At what point is fetish worldbuilding too obvious?
>>23917562The fetish typically becomes obvious in the second or third read though(.ex Original Wonder Woman comics, obvious to us, not so much at the time they were made). If its obvious from the from the get go then its too obvious. To make it less obvious put one or two "covers" on it to hide it.
> Fairy-stories were plainly not primarily concerned with possibility, but with desirability. If they awakened desire, satisfying it while often whetting it unbearably, they succeeded. It is not necessary to be more explicit here, for I hope to say something later about this desire, a complex of many ingredients, some universal, some particular to modern men (including modern children), or even to certain kinds of men. I had no desire to have either dreams or adventures like Alice, and the amount of them merely amused me. I had very little desire to look for buried treasure or fight pirates, and Treasure Island left me cool. Red Indians were better: there were bows and arrows (I had and have a wholly unsatisfied desire to shoot well with a bow), and strange languages, and glimpses of an archaic mode of life, and, above all, forests in such stories. But the land of Merlin and Arthur was better than these, and best of all the nameless North of Sigurd of the Völsungs, and the prince of all dragons. Such lands were preeminently desirable. I never imagined that the dragon was of the same order as the horse. And that was not solely because I saw horses daily, but never even the footprint of a worm. The dragon had the trademark of Faerie written plain upon him. In whatever world he had his being it was an Other-world. Fantasy, the making or glimpsing of Other-worlds, was the heart of the desire of Faërie. I desired dragons with a profound desire. Of course, I in my timid body did not wish to have them in the neighbourhood, intruding into my relatively safe world, in which it was, for instance, possible to read stories in peace of mind, free from fear. But the world that contained even the imagination of Fáfnir was richer and more beautiful, at whatever cost of peril. The dweller in the quiet and fertile plains may hear of the tormented hills and the unharvested sea and long for them in his heart. For the heart is hard though the body be soft.https://uh.edu/fdis/_taylor-dev/readings/tolkien.html
>>23917562When even normal people, ie non-porn addicts, start seeing it.
>>23917562>read fetish world building story>author subverts it and makes it a normal, boring ass storyVirgin Planet I'm looking at you.
one of the best books I have ever read
>>23917144>>23917207Both of these are me btw (not literally)
>>23919830It is entirely possible that a teenage girl wrote that book. She came from a literary household and her mother was the philosopher and woman of letters, Mary Wollstonecraft. A woman with that upbringing and refined skill could write something like that.
>>23913516The truth is somewhere in the middle. They both wrote it
>>23913516You cannot bring a stitched-together corpse to life by running a current through it.
>>23919830What is it about Frankenstein that it attracts all these retarded conspiracy theorists? I've never seen this with any other female 19th century authors. I mean, Frankenstein is a very good and atmospheric horror story, but Middlemarch is literally amongst the greatest english novels ever written. So if you can accept that at a woman wrote Middlemarch, surely you can accept that a 200 page horror novel can also be written by a woman.Also the fact that Mary Shelley wrote the manuscript while she was on vacation with her husband and 2 other authors and they challenged each other to write a horror story while they were all living in the same house. Percy couldn't have written 2 manuscripts at the same time without the others noticing and Lord Byron would have never kept this a secret considering how mad he was during his lifetime that Frankenstein completely overshadowed his own story he wrote in both popularity and infamy.
Can this be considered a sci-fi book?
The pronunciation Dasein (from what I've heard) sound similar to DESIGN. So is Heidegger questioning/concerned with the design(shape, texture, size, materials,(form & content)) of an object in reality. That the definitions we give to entities of the world aren't specific enough. Am I missing something.
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>>23917951dada is russian for yes yesso da sein is yes 'sein (aka Saddam HusSEIN).
Das einDas many
Da 'sein (da, (comrade(implied)) (Hu)Sein)
Sad da (hu)'sein
Well?
This post is extremely low quality.
>>23906237I think this guy would like the Nambla chart.
>>23906237pure kino>>23913154this one gets it
foul
>>23909074He's even worse than a Russelian, he is, may Allah forgive me for uttering such a word, a C*rn*pian.
When did you realize he was right?
>>23918896>say it's not gambling but you speak of >odds with good parentingBut if you make an argument that procreation is wrong because it is gambling with the unborn (side note: aren't there winners in gambling?), I can just respond that how is this any different than other instances THAT WE DONT SAY IS IMMORAL but involve an analogous imposition of risk to others? Driving risks death and injury to others, even cooking a meal risks poisoning someone. But it's jot immoral.So why woukd having a child be immoral when our everyday actions in the world are basically predicated upon imposing risks on others? Just yesterday I took my nephew on a boat ride. He can't give "informed consent" to the risk (eg, boat capsized, he drowns or falls off etc) I am imposing on him, yet we don't say it's immoral. So why is the gamble of procreation anybdifferent? You woukd have to, to be consistent, say that driving is wrong, parenting is wrong, almost everything is wrong. Reductio ad absurdum.And procreation isnt random. Yes, it isn't 100% but we know our genes roughly, we know where we will live and go to school, etc. It's not just like a roulette wheel pure chance, it's akin to the gambling of poker. Where you have a strategy to win.
I'm an antinatalist and I've been doing some thinking. Sometimes in arguments people say "just kys". I used to just brush it off, but deep down I knew it needed to be addressed. So here we go.Firstly, the response is odd - if being born isn't a good thing, shouldn't the question then be m, not "Just kys" but rather "Just don't procreate"? But that is precisely antinaralism! And what of ones parents? Shouldn't the question also be asked of them? So not, just kys bro, but rather just kill your parents bro. As punishment for birthing you.But taking a step back, the question does need to be addressed- if being born is bad, because being a human is bad, then surely staying alive longer than necessary is bad? And I'm just going to be honest - those people saying "just kys" are correct. In my mind the most logical and rational thing would be to suicide. But I don't. Why? I can give no grand reason, or confabulate some nonsense like "I need to stay alive to spread antinatalism!' Or even more egotistical - "those who love me will be devastated by the loss of me" - haha, and those that hate you faggot? The truth is I am instinctually terrified of death, and I have bodily urges I fuffil which by consequence keep me alive (food water warmth etc). Rationally I should die, but I am irrational, and deeply fear death - this is just an integral part of my composition as an organism born out of 4 billion years of survivorship bias. What's my point here? I am a coward. All antinatalists, to be consistent , should commit suicide.
>>23919666as an antinatalist what does committing suicide accomplish? it doesn't actually have any connection with the message of antinatalism. There are many other smarter things you can do to spread the message of your vision, like the book you just posted.
>>23911747I can always kill myself, I can never choose to live if I am not born. Giving life is giving the choice. At best anti-natalists should be fighting norms which prevent suicide, so that people brought into the world can more freely exert their freedom to choose if they would like to die.But for me, the issue moreover is just that anti-natalism without being able to destroy existence itself is just kicking the can down the road. The universe will just continue to create life and consciousnesses so long as it exists at all.
>>23920242>I can always kill myselffactually wrong. what if you fail? the body can do some freaky shit when it comes to self preservation. people can survive bullets to the skull, don't act like you can will into existence a successful suicide attempt
what does /lit/ think about deleuze?
>>23919415This reads like Hegel, not Deleuze.
I'm in no hurry to read Capitalism and Schizophrenia/1000 Pleateaus etc. but I found Nietzsche and Philosophy informative.
>>23919111It's good raw metaphysics for getting arrangements of terminology moving through your head to speed up future thinking. It's really hard to get a tangible and agreeable takeaway from Deleuze, but force feeding yourself his books can populate the grounds for future associations as you read other philosophy books like Schopenhauer or Plato
>>23919448his other monographs are interesting too. worth reading. even though ive only finished two the one u mention & coldness + cruety and read pieces of the others
Interesting philosopher and the way they wrote capital and schizophrenia really gets the ol' noggin joggin. Takes a LONG time to get into because you need tons of secondary lit or you are actually studying philosophy in a university. At first every sentence is gibberish but at some point it opens up slightly. >>23919754I agree with a lot from this especially,>It's really hard to get a tangible and agreeable takeaway from DeleuzeIt's probably hard to find two people who would agree 100% on what is to be take-away from Dolce&Gabbana. But that does prepare the ground for actual new thought and in the end, thats what they would have wanted. I'm fucking glad though that I don't have to read Thousand Plateaus in it's entirety anymore.
