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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
http://www.ak3d.net/help.htm
Bookzz
http://bookzz.org/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading

What substances help inspire your creativity, /lit/?
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manatee sperm inserted through the ear
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>>7995947
>Ketamine
Higher doses. Not really. You might be creative but overall the dissociation might completely ruin your initial train of thought. You will end up lying on your bed listening to music entering a sub-lucid day dreaming state. Lower doses will inspire a small amount of creativity but concentrating might prove difficult.
>Dextromethorphan
Same reason as above but with more motor skill impairment.
>Cannabis
This will likely make you creative. Knowing the strain will be important. Look for a sativa strain and take small incremental amounts so you can stay at the task on hand and not end up masturbating then listening to that fucking pink floyd album again for the 1000th time.
>Amphetamines
Your motivation and focus will improve. Not necessarily creativity.
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Beyond coffee I can't take anything or else I'll feel like the thing I created wasn't genuine.
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>have small double-double
>feels like rocket fuel firing out of my ass and propelling me through the cruft of my shitty brain into actual ideas and understanding, for 3 hours
>have medium double-double
>shake constantly, feel sick, piss three times, hyperfocus on walking around in circles in a video game for two hours while alt+tabbing every five seconds to check if i got any replies to instant messages
>have large double-double
>fall asleep

don't understand
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>>7995981
Why do you identify "you" as to your mindset when you are sober? Are you not you when you are high?

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let's write a novel one sentence at a time. I'll start.

chapter 2. somewhere in the middle.

"Mr partridge what on earth are you doing", he shrieked as he lunged for his glasses to have a closer look.
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>>7994772
Mr. Partridge had unflinchingly battered his testicles so fiercely with his steady, open palm that it was hard to tell how long he'd been at it.
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"Mr. Partridge, are you battering my testicles, or your own?" "I don't even know anymore," Mr. Partridge said as he took another hit off his glass pipe.

What's your way to you refute the "everything you say is subjective" argument? Obviously not to change anyone's opinion, but at least to feel good about myself

Picture is a photo objectively conveying the visual aspect of reality, much like words may convey a universally true notion
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>>7995949
2+2=4

Done
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>>7995949
If you jump off of the Empire state building you will die.
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>>7995956
>uses abstract denotation in a philosophical argument

:-DDDDDD

>>7995958
no you won't. otherwise, prove that your statement is true.
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>>7995967
Go jump off of it and prove that what you said is true faggot :^)
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>>7995976
>you can't prove that God doesn't exist therefore he exists

:-DDDDD
remind me not to browse /lit/ during the hours when burgers are prime-time

What are some literary TV shows and movies? I can't stand the absolutely insipid way most contemporary entertainment is written.
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The Sopranos is splendid if you engage with it.

What is the difference between Victorian era horror/science fiction/fantasy and genre fiction?
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>>7995898
Explain how genre fiction is inherently wrong?
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>>7995612
Your question is unintelligible. Rephrase in the form of a sensible question.
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>>7995920

Why is Mary Shelley considered by academia to be one of the greatest authors of all time and Stephen King is considered by academia to be a hack? (not Stephen King specifically, just modern horror/science fiction/fantasy/mystery/romance/crime/young adult/whatever in general)
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>>7995903
>inherently wrong
fuck u saying
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>>7995952
Because Mary Shelley was a literary artist, and Stephen King is a storyteller. The difference is in the quality of writing on a sentence-by-sentence level.

It also doesn't hurt that Shelley actually invented the genre.

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It's all ultimately a matter of opinion, but I think that Absalom, Absalom! is still the great American novel as compared to Blood Meridian. While Blood Meridian is a great lyrical work of philosophy and violence, I still prefer the coalescence that occurred in Absalom, Absalom! rather than the diffuse, picaresque nature of Blood Meridian.

McCarthy is perhaps the best living American author, but Blood Meridian, to me, is a shade below Absalom, Absalom! and Faulkner's masterworks. What do you guys think?
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>>7994594
>Cormac "The kid walked across the ravaged plain like some speck of nightmare and the Mexicans were assembled on their bellies like congregants of Hell's cathedral and the kid saw they were dead in every manner of slaughter know to man and some which had been forgotten with larvae germinating in every wound and he picked up the tortilla and wiped the rest of the food up in the tortilla and ate the tortilla" McCarthy
>Good
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>>7994639
lol this is a joke right? plz be joke.
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>>7994674
that's not an actual quote from the book
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>>7994692
oh thank God hahaha
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>>7990457
Jewel was a young kid from what I remember, and he recalled in a previous chapter all this stuff that made him conclude that his mother was, indeed, a fish.

These were hicks, after all.

Urgent help !
someone who knows about Greek mythology , could solve this riddle? a dove surrounded by walls a city where a love story impossible happens . What is that city and who are the protagonists of this love story?

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>want to get into /lit/erature
>read nothing but classics and other big boy /lit/ for a long while
>they're well written, sure, but you aren't really having fun at all
>think you need a break for a bit and go back to reading the pleb /lit/ you enjoyed before
>realize that the prose is messy, the stories are filled with cliches, the characters are one dimensional, and there's no deep ideas at all
>have to go back to reading only /lit/erature
>tfw not even enjoying /lit/erature but you have to read it because everything else sucks in comparison now
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>>7994479
/lit/ now all
>think the for at bit to fun but filled the messy, need characters boy you deep /lit/erature a before
>realize /lit/erature
>tfw written, not and you even because go with a /lit/ that reading big else and really to well enjoyed sucks the long into get cliches, break to but you there's are are aren't sure, classics while
>they're ideas in back at to dimensional, back only having have /lit/erature
>read comparison pleb but
>want it nothing reading for stories enjoying you everything go and a one is all
>have no other to read the prose
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Just read literary / stylized genre fiction. James Ellroy, William Gibson, Burroughs, fucking Pynchon. That shit is fun as fuck.
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>>7995861
Fuck yeah.
Also Gene Wolfe, Samuel Delany, maybe some Eddison.
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Watch Matrix, Robocop, one of those TV series that are popular right now, play FPS vidya, watch comedies in theaters, read funny books (Discworld and Gogol, for example)...
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.>>7995220
Dracula is boring as fuck

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Why don't people ever talk about the unusual amount of pedophilia in his novels?
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>>7995919
on Pynchon? well, i have read nearly all of his novels and several short stories.
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>>7995882
>>7995907
>If you pay attention, Bianca is young but actually more like 16 or 17 than the child she's easily imagined to be.
Slothrop imagines her to be an 11 or 12 year old though and Pynchon portrays her through his addled mind as such. Regardless of whether or not her age was what he interpreted it to be, it is still a depiction of a sexual attraction to what he perceived as a child, or pedophilia.
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>>7995931
>he's never seen a 12 year old who's obviously going to be hot in a few years and felt... something
Join the priesthood. They could use more of your kind.
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>>>>7995931
this actually brings up a good question. is perceived pedophilia or pedophilic attraction by a character considered a depiction of pedophilia even when the reader is aware none of the characters involved in the sequence is a child?
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>>7995963
seems to me it's more role-playing than anything. however i can see why someone who has suffered from pedophilia would be sensitive or feel uneasy toward depictions or perceived depictions of it.

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Serious question
What's the point of reading someone else's ideas when I can go into the world and practice my own and draw my own observations and wisdom?
What's the point of worshiping a book simply because it has the name of a guy who wrote other stuff on it?
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>>7995531
Or you could choose not to and have a better life
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>>7994955
Yeah. Understanding other people who are ALREADY within STEM
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You are not some perfect person, your views of the world aren't complete and while yes you can learn a lot about yourself from your surroundings you can learn a lot more from challenging your pre conceived notions of the world and see if they are wrong or not. You get to learn about your true self and your true opinion on things.

Also it's fun to read stories a lot of the times. And it makes you seem smart (it doesn't actually make you smart but I would argue it easily broadens your worldview and understanding)
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>>7994751
because you're not very smart
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>>7994751
Because when you read you get to draw upon the ideas of other people who are likely far more intelligent than you are and learn from their mistakes. "Thinking for yourself" is over rated if you're just going to be an ignoramus about it.

Sci-Fi is a different genre edition

Fantasy chart :
Selected: http://i.imgur.com/3v2oXAY.jpg
General: http://i.imgur.com/igBYngL.jpg
Flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/uykqKJn.jpg


Post your Top 3 Fantasy books!
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>>7995891
I can kinda accept if nothing happens in a "short" (short in fantasy is like, 400 pages) book, but that looked large enough, is it entry level tho?
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>>7995891
>the prose is pretty damn good
I disagree, the prose is inconsistent, it goes from approachable to incredibly unwieldy. Pat has absolutely no clue how to transition between prose and verse either.

Somebody mentioned in theses threads he said it took him 14 years to write, which doesn't make any sense; in the book his idealogical views don't show any advancement and he hasn't shown any improvement in his writing at all.
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>>7995905
I don't read in english, so the book in my language was 780 pages, it's a lot for nothing to happen, you can understand the reason why nothing happens though, Patrick said he wrote the whole story first and only later he cuts it into books, that's not a smart thing to do imo.

>>7995923
Well, sometimes i had to read a line twice because i liked it so much, the book had some poetic descriptions , in some parts you can almost feel how much work he puts into the phrase, so yeah, maybe it's inconsistent, but it's probably the best part of the book.

Take GoT for example, it's the worst prose i have ever read, i cringed so fucking much i just couldn't pass the third book.
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>>7995954
>I don't read in english
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>Patrick Rothfuss' favourite film is Fight Club

Type a word you like that seems to define itself simply by its utterance. I'll start:

Voluptuous
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Sardonic

Scoundrel

Rex
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>>7990244
worthless
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contemptuous
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>>7990244
Quixotic!
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Sleep
Thought
Liquor

Whose got finals? who loves em? who hates em?

I'm especially curious as to hearing about projects that people feel passionately about for their finals, or that you've found what you're saying has become important to you otherwise.

People who aren't in school anymore get in here too; miss doing finals? are there any kickass papers you wrote that you remember fondly?


does anyone in academia here do creative work? I tend not to, but this semester I am for the first time and so far it's pretty terrifying.

finally (I think), did you take any courses this year you loved or find worth mentioning? What the hell are you taking next semester? I haven't even thought about that shit

I'm writing pretty much three different papers about one book that I absolutely love, but even so it's getting sort of draining.

The one I'm doing right now is at least mostly about Deleuze, I just use the book for my arguments. Problem is it was due by the 'afternoon' today and now its 5pm here.


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>>7995411
Praise the Lord by Sergei Rachmaninoff
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>>7995411
quite the order but here we go:

>Just finished up finals for all my classes sans a 3 page paper on King Lear that i'm editing with my fiance tonight

I took a course on Early British Literature that really triggered my dick with early Catholic doctrine even more than it had been already. Also introduced me to Sir Gawain and the Green Knight which was a great read.

Next semester is interesting. One course on literacy and education, one on Existentialism (mostly Kierkegaard i believe), one on the history of the English language and its grammar.

STUDY MUSIC:
>Miles Davis - In a Silent Way
>Brian Eno - Ambient 1
>A Winged Victory for the Sullen
>Satie


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>>7995620
thank you!
I just spilled coffee on my nice new Blake book (from the library) and seeing a proper response was just what I needed.

I used to listen to a lot of Mingus while I did work, but I never got beyond that into jazz. I still have a few tracks of his on my writing inspo playlist on youtube, though, which is otherwise mostly old videogame music, weird japanese avant garde, electronic albums about space, and whatever peculiar black metal I can find.

I miss studying Shakespeare. I was really passionate about him in high school but got over it really quickly when I started smoking weed for some reason. I've always wanted to write something about the Tempest. In the hospital over the summer I started taking notes on it but it never went anywhere, I started Light in August and it fucked me up too much to do anything else.

also this album is incredible for getting lost in writing you don't wanna do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWGjYg2LmZQ
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Sadly I'm a stemfag whose finals are studied for with endless practice problems, not papers. Writing this from the toilet right before I go back to do more multivariable calc practice.

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What is nothing?
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>>7995637
$500 is nothing
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>>7994959
Nothing is everything.
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Nothing is more real than nothing.
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>>7995906
Here's an actual quote from Beckett, relevant to the OP's question:

who may tell the tale
of the old man?
weigh absence in a scale?
mete want with a span?
the sum assess
of the world's woes?
nothingness
in words enclose?

-- From Watt (1953)
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"Nothing" is an English word signifying absence.

Nothing is not a thing, but the idea of nothing is.

Words and ideas are not the components of reality, they are just how we process the information it conveys to us.


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