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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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What does /lit/ think about Unamuno's philosphy? I am currently reading The Tragic Sense of Life, and I find it really stimulating.
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>>10160875
Please elaborate, senpai. I'm really curious about your opinion, because I want to read that book too after finishing TTSOL.
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>>10160850
This guy sounds really interesting. Almost like Cioran if he wasn't such a tasteless edgeord
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>>10160900
He's a shit-tier Cioran. I read about 16 pages of Tragic Sense of Life and gave up. It's so boring I just went back to playing COD and trolling religious idiots in youtube comments.
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>>10160888
He views quijote as a role model for a Christian as described in Kierkegaard. In case you have read the novel, you will see that this is not what Cervantes proposes so, in a sense, he creates a Quijote of his own while dissingCervantes for including actions/dialogues that his Quijote would not have conducted.
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>>10160924
> I just went back to playing COD and trolling religious idiots in youtube comments.
Sad

pic related, The Crying of Lot 49
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>>10159081
i would have said Dave DeLuca's "Neighborworld" was closer to the Mothers of Invention than anything Pinecone has written so far.
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>>10159081
I'd've said the "Mystery Disc" was a better match for Lot 49.
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>>10159081
Image: a man falling
Book: the fall by camus

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why is so much of literature so miserable and depressing? is it because writers generally sad people?

just looking at required reading "classics" in high school and literally none of them are positive

grapes of wrath - boo hoo these poor people suffer every day

old man and the sea - boo hoo the old man worked so hard but then the sharks ate the fish

1984 - in the future the government will torture people and brainwash them

catcher in the rye - literally just an emo kid moping around

hamlet - literally everyone kills each other/dies

are there any "great" books that aren't just depressing and tragic? honestly the only non-depressing book we had to read was huckleberry finn, and it was the hokiest nonsense.

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>>10160280
why the fuck can't a 40 year old man raise children? he'll be in his early 60s when they graduate college, and then he can die whenever and get out of their way
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>>10160307
you are right my dude which anime should i watch to understand how dark the world really is?
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>>10160795
evangelion
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>>10160783

triggered as fuck

enjoy your african diaspora shitlit, I'll be reading Proust and Joyce
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>>10160024
I didn't see it as tragic, Hemmingway could have easily done a Moby Dick 'The Old Man dies at sea in his battle against nature!' but instead, it was a celebration of the old man's battles with nature and the joys of a simple life.

A lot of the books you listed end tragically but have upbeat and downbeat moments: A book without struggle wouldn't be a very interesting book, struggle often causes misery.

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>when I was younger
>"Lol the curtains were just red, who cares, why am I being told to find subjective conclusions and being judged as if they're objective?!"

>When I was older and smarter
>"The curtains were red for a very intelligent reason by the genius author, a reason which gives maximum insight in to human nature and the objectivity of aesthetics, not that I will dare ask why I should care about those or why everything is so obscurantist!"

>when I reached my final form

Literary Theory, as it is practised and as a whole is a set of intentionally vague, contradictory, and ever changing rules that create a logical system used by the academia-media-publishing industrial complex in order to monopolise the judgement of art, secure government funding, compete in the form of social posturing (by far the strongest reason), promote a large government, and guilt trip insecure members of the public in to paying for and proclaiming enjoyment of art.

>inb4 you say "I don't know art but I know what I like" in a non RP accent

I'm not even passing judgement on the "value" of this dominant version of "literary theory". I'm simply awaiting the butthurt that will inevitably commence just from pointing out that other forms can exist and not genuflecting towards the dominant form.
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>>10160930
nice blog dude haha v. fun to read love you
- mom xxoo
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yeah maybe. maybe not. sounds like a complicated thing that would be hard to intentionally create from scratch. here's a face i found in the static of a number station's silence.
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>>10160934
I wish my mother called me dude.

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Have you ever argued with a professor? How'd it go?
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>>10160604
WOW INSIGHTFUL (O_o)
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My Logic 101 professor used the "Socrates is mortal" syllogism as a basic model of deductive logic and he would reference it whenever he needed to explain a concept in a little more detail. Every single fucking time the professor would bring it up, the same guy would raise his hand to argue that the syllogism isn't sound because the name "Socrates" doesn't necessarily refer to a man and therefore the premise "Socrates is a man" isn't necessarily true.
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I attempted to debate my grade with a professor and she yelled at me. I wasn't even being disrespectful or anything, I just thought that I did the things required and tried to explain it to her.

I had just transferred from a college in Hawaii, and it was my first semester at UNF. Suffice it to say this even set the stage for the rest of my time here. Certainly an interesting change in... values.
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>Undergraduate Crim workshop
>Small groups of like 12 first year students
>Led by a phd qt who just needs teaching credits to get funding
>Most people don't engage and just want their attendance mark
>Teacher is naive and unironic prison absolutionist
>Take my opportunity week in week out to disagree or play devil's advocate
>She is begrudgingly impressed at first
>Weeks go on I feel she wants the Dennis
>Class is meant to bring about discussion and lead us to alternative discourses
> Still the only one who speaks she begins to rely on my responses to get through class
>One week she stops me mid argument about why hate crime legislation is problematic because policing motivation behind acts is unethical
>Refuses to let me finish
>Abstain from class discussion for remainder of class
>As we all leave she asks me to stay behind
>Don't really want to argue just want to go eat

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>>10160919
I was reading ,hoping for an actual ending, but the only thing relevant here seems to be that you interacted with a qt and she is somehow sympathetic with you. Great story, mate

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So I always heard that BotNS is science-fiction disguised as fantasy. This is the impession I got after the first four books. It just seemed like world far in the future with all the religious elements being just alien influence. But after reading Urth I'm wondering. Can it be just aliens? It does seem to be a more metaphysical component to the whole thing. The whole cycle of the universe and different archetypes emerging in different eras. Those are things that go beyond just wacky aliens diguised as angels.
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>>10159482
I'm wondering, how does this fit into Wolfe's own worldview? He's known to be a christian so why would he write a book in which christianity is basically an alien conspiracy?
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>>10159482
>Hell, at one point they straight up TELL HIM that it's all part of their plan to retroactively ensure their own creation
So basically humans created hierogrammates in the future (from our perspective) and they created humans in the past?
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>>10159165
Interstellar ripped the concept from the New Sun actually.
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>>10159532
The anon got it completely wrong and it is extremely metaphysical and Catholic in nature. Atheists like reading the alien conspiracy into it, when the whole novel is about Providence.
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>>10159544
I can't believe Homestuck ripped off of BotNS

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Thoughts on my stack..?
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Still reading The Illuminatus! Trilogy. Haven't been reading much lately. Hopefully gonna speedread (/reread) Alice In Wonderland sometime soon. Just checking in :) Cheers.
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>>10158976
>Atlas Shrugged
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>>10160511
What's The Illuminatus like so far? I don't get clear answers when I ask, people keep telling me it's non-fiction or it's some Terry Pratchett Douglas Adams-core and I know they're just trying to activate my almonds but dammit it's working
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>>10160907
lol
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>>10160917
thanks dude

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imagine how much more advanced our world would be if pic related had never been written. Sometimes it makes me angry when I think about all the wasted time.
inb4
>hurrdurr, its the foundation of western society and culture
No it isn't. That would be the Greeks and Romans, who weren't christians
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How exactly did christianity set us back in time?
And why is progress a good thing OP?
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>>10160536
>>10160433
>>10160438
>>10160905

Why is every atheistic / secular-orientated remark made on this board so quickly labelled with le fedora accusations?

It only shows that your counter-arguments are shit. You don't need to browse reddit to know that Christianity is messed up.
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>>10160420
>Massive story with hundreds of characters that are all connected to an overarching narrative
>Effortlessly blends poetry, history, and philosophy
>The King James Bible is the most beautiful book ever in English prose
>The cornerstone of Western Literature as a whole
>The cornerstone of Western ideology as a whole

Nice try
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>>10160923
t. retard

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Can anyone recommend me some books like Corncob McCarthy's the Road? I find myself liking the melancholy, bleak settings. If it helps, I see this a lot in anime, too. Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash and Made in Abyss, to name a few.
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>>10160838
László Krasznahorkai's books are great for that melancholy bleakness (literally copied and pasted his name from Goodreads because I always fuck up typing Hungarian names). Would recommend Satantango followed by the Bela Tarr film.

William Hope Hodgson's The House on the Borderland also has that brilliant desolation and hopelessness about it. Albeit, it's "weird fiction" and a bit pulpy but once you reach the halfway point where his dog ages as he somehow experiences the destruction of everything around him as he excels millions of years into the future where there is nothing but wasteland and nothing can thrive it ends up being a fascinating, disturbing read. Don't worry if you actually casually glanced over that spoiler though, so much batshit weird stuff happens in the book (and it's short too) that I didn't really tell you much at all. It's all delivered like an old manuscript as the book sets it up as if the author found the ramblings while on a fishing trip. A good ride.

Roadside Picnic and Hard to be a God should be what you're looking for too. Perfect for cold nights in, dreaming about the lack of human progress.

Not memeing, my dude, but also The Iliad. If you're patient with it, it's very rewarding. The war is brutal, unforgiving and cruel, with the harshest hopelessness delivered once Hector is killed and you realise Troy will not recover and just has to take its destruction with submission. The level of hopelessness and despair in The Iliad nearly left me in tears. There's a few cheeky jests and you'll probably find the greek gods bickering (and Zeus being a cunt) amusing, but overall it's a very dark text.

Metro 2033, House of Leaves (somehow this seems a little more popular now on /lit/ rather than it just being an /x/-meme) come to mind too.
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>>10160885
Quality post. I'll have a look at The House on the Borderland. I didn't have much of an emotional reaction to the Iliad, though. Might've gone over my head?
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>>10160912
Give The Iliad another shot a few years down the line, maybe read an analytical text alongside it? I know it doesn't always resonate with people - maybe it's the translations, maybe you have to be in a certain mood, I'm not sure - but The Iliad's emotional power is in there. All I can suggest is give it another read a few years from when you last read it. Those themes of loyalty, brotherhood, betrayal, family, honour just rung very strongly with me.

I don't know if it went over your head though, anon. Sometimes we just get different feelings from different readings. To each their own and all that.

Hope you like House on the Borderland. it's definitely a bit absurdist but if you're cool with that you'll definitely find nothing but despair.

Novels, aphorism, short stories? Have you ever think about making a single, comprehensive work?
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Short stories I guess, though not really.

Mostly random accounts of events with no real payoff.
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garbage

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What is the adult literature equivalent of his books? Specifically this one.

Where does he draw inspiration from?
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>>10159144
Catcher in the Rye. John Green's entire career is trying to rewrite Catcher in the Rye, except Holden fawns over a real woman, instead of the platonic concept of a woman. The difference is that for all the talk about being unsure and afraid in Green, his protagonists don't act unsure and afraid. There's no equivalent to Holden calling a prostitute up and trying to talk to her. Just pages of "feel bad for me".
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>>10159502
I can see that. Good point anon. But I also do think every generation needs their own version of the coming of age narrative. The overall story arc and character archetype of Holden will always be a classic, but I also believe the circumstances of his alienation are born from a much more sanitized, repressed and innocent society.
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>>10159144
Ask the dust
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>>10159572
John Green books aren't coming of age stories. The guy is a manchildwho lives in Lala Liberal Retard Kindergarten World.
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>>10160809
I don’t think you have much of a case mate. They are quite literally, by definition, coming of age stories. Also I didn’t know a coming of age story couldn’t come from a lala liberal mentality , you uncultured swine.

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Write what's on your mind.
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>>10160752

Blinds torn and paintwork on floor messed up from drunken rummaging.
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>>10158495
I'm really happy that your emotional risk paid off, anon. Honestly. Good on ya! :)
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There is no difference between the Christian God and the Atheist Cosmos.
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>>10158412
try psychedelics, one i was able to experience a transcendent moment, life became much more bearable and interesting.
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>>10158501
>ive written up and erased a post for this thread three times now
>i'm void of any social traits and steal my behavious from others, no external originality at all

it's a hard life and i don't know what i did to deserve it.

What book has impacted your life the most?
Pic related for me.
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>>10152796
Eliot reconverted me to Catholicism, made me get out of an existential crisis, and forced me to become a good person. Where ever you are Tom, thanks.
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>>10159716
kys weeb
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>I had a similar Shakespeare experience as stoner, albeit with The Book of Job,

what
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>>10157477
dude lmao is dat inside of a titty

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Thoughts on jane eyre? Read it last year and it's one of my favorites, it was touching, passionate and hit me really deep.

Is it up there with the rest of the greats?
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>>10159706
Just read the commentary from the time period, and read the current critical articles.
> She invented horror did she
No, that's not what I said. The book is the first instance of this kind of gothic novel. It shows a shift in the romantic preoccupation, and it does it extremely well. It's a particularly 19th C account of a tragic protagonist, a romantic hero. It is as important as Coleridge's Mariner, and more important than Stoker's Dracula.
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>>10159637
That's why they had to vanity print it, because it was universally praised, right? I think you meant despised and soundly rejected.
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>>10159077
Is this thread gonna be about Jane Eyre anytime soon?
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>>10159640
This must be anecdotal evidence but I'll bite. The only people I've known who enjoyed Wuthering Heights were women.
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>>10159424
autumn and winter are here, therefore I will only listen to glorious Kate Bush

I would floss my teeth with her Kate Bush if you get what i'm saying haha vagina pussy



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