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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

Check the wiki, the catalog, and the archive before asking for advice or recommendations, and please refrain from starting new threads for questions that can be answered by a search engine.

/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

Looking for books online? Check here:
Guide to #bookz
https://www.geocities.ws/prissy_90/Media/Texts/BookzHelp19kb.htm
Bookzz
http://b-ok.cc/
http://libgen.rs/
Recommended Literature
http://4chanlit.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_Reading
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Are you incapable of making decisions without the guidance of anonymous internet strangers? Open this thread for some recommendations.

>Queequeg is so strong, omg he is so good and exotic oh dear look at his muscles
>mmhhhmmm what a fine man
>he doesn't know how to use a wheelbarrow, BUT I CAN FIX HIM
>oh my god it's Queequeg
>my Queequeg, oh my Queequeg
>take me into your lustful embrace

-the book
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>>23607493
Obligatory
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>>23608267
>Queerqueg
Fucking kek
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>>23607493
Queequeg fixes you.
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>>23608251
I find it hilarious how Carmela has exactly the same accent as Kyle's mom.
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>>23607493
this stuff stops as soon as they get on the boat. it makes up a pretty small part of the book.
>>23607754
i always liked these parts of Watchmen because it would be so much cooler if pirate pulp had become the prevailing comic genre instead of superheros.

Memories, Dreams and Reflections, p. 263.
>Our souls as well as our bodies are composed of indi- vidual elements which were all already present in the ranks of our ancestors. The "newness in the individual psyche is an endlessly varied recombination of age-old components. Body and soul therefore have an intensely historical char- acter and find no proper place in what is new, in things that have just come into being. That is to say, our ancestral components are only partly at home in such things. We are very far from having finished completely with the Middle Ages, classical antiquity, and primitivity, as our modern psyches pretend. Nevertheless, we have plunged down a cataract of progress which sweeps us on into the future with ever wilder violence the farther it takes us from our roots. Once the past has been breached, it is usually anni- hilated, and there is no stopping the forward motion. But it is precisely the loss of connection with the past, our uprootedness, which has given rise to the "discontents" of civilisation and to such a flurry and haste that we live more in the future and its chimerical promises of a golden age than in the present, with which our whole evolutionary background has not yet caught up. We rush impetuously into novelty, driven by a mounting sense of insufficiency, dissatisfaction, and restlessness. We no longer live on what we have, but on promises, no longer in the light of the present day, but in the darkness of the future, which, we expect, will at last bring the proper sunrise. We refuse to recognise that everything better is purchased at the price of something worse; that, for example, the hope of greater freedom is cancelled out by increased enslavement to the state, not to speak of the terrible perils to which the most brilliant discoveries of science expose us. The less we understand of what our fathers and forefathers sought, the less we understand ourselves, and thus we help with all our might to rob the individual of his roots and his guiding instincts, so that he becomes a particle in the mass, ruled only by what Nietzsche called the spirit of gravity.
This man was truly based beyond recognition.
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Yup, I don't understand the flack he gets, especially around here. It seems to come mostly from people who haven't read his work or are Freud loyalists, or have a charaicature in their head of Freud's work and associate Jung and all depth psychology with that.
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>>23604280
Enlightened post
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>>23604253
This is a nice quote, Jung did have some good ones. The thing about Jungian methodology is that there is some sort of filter that is used that falls under Beeinträchtigungsschwereskala, and I have noticed there is no set standard amongst them, just that answering fastest always seems to generate the worst outcome. The being in touch with your primordial forefathers and enslavement to the state part made me think of that. There is no telling how far removed the current distillates of Jungian thinking are from the original, which also makes the quote more appreciable.
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>>23607334
This is true. Jung was a little foolish to think his followers would be kept to any standard of worth by being scientists, as if you can standardise comprehension of culture and humanity.
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>>23608289
Well I suppose in defense of Jung and by extension via technicality Freud the only science that can validate anything they did would be statistically derived results based on standards and applied to patients as a whole or in parts, and that is relying on a rather tenuous claim to 'science' I suppose. I would conjecture Jungian based methodology is still alive today due to his observations about the ego, and the resulting distillation of these observations into what his successors termed: Umstrukturierungsskala. This morphs the process into a more delineated rehabilitation cycle with a goal of molding a person into a socially adapted individual. To my knowledge the only humanity and culture aspects left in the process usually pertain to allowing the patient some method of artistic expression, but even this usually is part of a diagnostic procedure that falls under the previous German compound word. For lack of better phrasing ime the 'goal' of the modern method is seemingly just producing 'normal' people so to speak.

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>>23608403
Do White women really?

I've just finished my first book by Honoré de Balzac (TUM) and what intensity! What pathos! Is all his work like this, bordering, if not firmly rooted, in sentimentality? It's one of the few books to give me a dizzying feeling, because the speeches the characters give are so damn passionate—somehow I feel I've learned a great deal about art and the artist's disposition. Where do I go from here?
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>>23607155
>Mauriac
Recs?
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>>23604668
I read and finished Goriot, the father. You see, I almost never finish books and this one was even more peculiar because I read it during a vacation trip with my friends. One of them brought it along so I grabbed it on the first night to sleep, and the book caught me so, that I preferred to stay reading in the hotel room than going out with my friends. Compared to the experience of reading that book, the rest of the trip was a complete waste of time. After reading it, I felt as if a very profound aspect of the life of a man had been revealed to me, and even as if I finally could understand in real life what it meant to be a father.
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>>23607339
Lost Illusions next.
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>>23607339
Naturally when I read it I most related to Rastignac and his gradual realization about how that oh so glittering society isn’t so glittering after all, but he still has to “have it out” with it, and found Vautrin’s worldview very striking. I figure later in life I will understand Goriot better
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where do I start with Honoré de Balzac?

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are there any leaks of his paywalled writings? i've already read orgy of the will, video game culture essays, genealogy of the art game.

i have nothing else left to read.

"read fiction then", no want to read paywalled icycalm writings.
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>>23604497
Literally every white person has blonde hair as a kid
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>>23607628
I did, but my brother didn't, so I doubt your claim.
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>>23605549
>og internet culture.
Aka the biggest pack of faggot losers to ever exist.
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>>23607747
The internet has always loathed him, because he loathes them. Still a defining part of 00's internet.
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>>23607588
>00s style scientific materialism
>cutting edge
lol

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If Only You Knew edition

Previous >>23601957
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>>23608137
>What period of the Middle Ages did they exist?
You can trace their lineage back to the 5th century AD. But to answer your question, the Byzantines used them heavily between the 8th to 12th century AD. Someone can correct me but they were used less towards the fall of Constantinople.
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I’m of half a mind to completely skip applying for this short story competition. They literally officially announced it just a month before the actual deadline. I just don’t think I have the energy either physical or mental to put my heart and soul into a short story.

In these last two years, I have worked immensely hard to write and prepare my stories for 6 separate occasions (2 short story comps, 3 magazine submissions, 1 novel prize). And I have not achieved any positive response or feedback. It’s extremely demotivating. I’ve put my heart and soul for months and months for each and every single story I put out into the world, and to receive literally nothing in terms of response of recognition is just painful.

As such, I just don’t know if I can make this latest short story deadline. The spirit in me has taken quite a beaten. I feel like I’m at the end of my writing rope.

What do you guys think? How have dealt with similar situations?
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I would apply to short story competitions if they didn't cost money to enter.
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I think I'm gonna get an external hard drive and just fill it to the brim with movies and maybe some TV shows.
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Does anyone have any good social media accounts/websites/groups that post or discuss literature in Spanish?
For now I'm just looking up writers I like on twitter and following the Spanish speakers I see discussing them.

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Where do I start with Delillo?
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White Noise
End Zone is underrated (was Wallace's favorite)
Go straight to Underworld
His early work is funny and he gradually loses his humor, but gains in perfection style
You really can start anywhere - whatever strikes you fancy. He's not an artist with a masterwork that stands above everything else, in my opinion
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>>23608379
I read a bit of Libra quite a while ago, and I kinda found his prose kinda bland? I unironically started reading it because I read somewhere that he's similar to Pynchon and I really like Pynchon's funny prose. Granted, I didn't finish Libra since I just randomly picked it up at a library between classes. I just wonder if his style is something that I wanted to read or not?

Share your favorite and current history reads
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>>23594411
Wedgwood is great. Haven't read the other so can't compare.
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>>23596439
>Indian history
John Keay
>Sub-saharan
J. D. Fage
>Russian
Cambridge history of russia
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>>23599988
>>23602910
Read this
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>>23577357
>This looks good too bad Anna’s archive is the only repository that has the whole thing for free.
Anon, I..
https://libgen.gs/edition.php?id=4370312
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>>23604183

>Still in the prologue
>The king gets cucked by his black servant
Did Jews write this?
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>>23608334
They're all Jews anon... they are all jews...
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>>23608334
They’re just slaves other races were slaves anon
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>read book
>cuckolding scene
many such cases
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>>23608334
You need to read it in the original Arabic, Anon. Jews obviously funded the translation to make us look bad.
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>>23608368
But when the night was half spent he bethought him that he had forgotten in his palace somewhat which he should have brought with him, so he re turned privily and entered his apartments, where he found the Queen, his wife, asleep on his own carpet bed, embracing with both arms a black cook of loathsome aspect and foul with kitchen grease and grime.
>>23608385
This is the authentic Richard Burton translation.

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Is this true? Is all literature an exercise in self-felation?
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>>23608273
Cringe pseud
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As a writer myself, I wouldn't call it self-fellation. Or, yes and no. It's not about making yourself seem cool, or special, or anything like that. That's why people play-pretend at being writers, but it's not why real writers write. In my experience, you write because you have stories you want to tell and you think other people might like to read them as much as you like writing them.

All truly great writers are, in a non-zero way, entertainers. We want to give other people a good time. So it's actually not self-fellatio at all, great writing is other-focused rather than self-focused. It's not about us, it's about the people we want to please. I can tell you as a writer I live for reactions to my work. Comments on websites, tweets, all of that shit, it's like crack cocaine to me. I love the knowledge that other people are reading, and reacting to, my stuff.
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>>23608210
The most challenging part about writing is not making it about yourself.
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>>23608279
You hate yourself, don't you? Maybe stop taking it up the ass so much, dumb faggot
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It is true but calling that self fellation is wrong. You're expressing your perspective on the world and what you think and feel about it. Even writing about someone else you're really just writing your own perspective of them and what they mean to you. Maybe not what the character in whatever movie that is meant but it is accurate.

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https://www.kafka-online.info/jackals-and-arabs.html
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>>23608184
An old manuscript/an old leaf is my favorite Kafka story desu
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>>23608184
Minus One by J. G. Ballard

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why do people talk this up like it's Infinite Jest? is it really that hard?

t. not a fantasy reader
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>>23608306
I wish I was into black metal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBYBbBL4eD0
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The only challenge is not falling asleep while you read this snoozefest.
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>>23608306
It's no Second Apocalypse that's for sure.

Anyone read this? It's hard to have this conversation without being dogpiled by retards on one side or the other, but I'm hoping /lit/ still has a couple people willing and capable of having the discussion in good faith. The book was published just before the Russian invasion in 2022 so it's especially interesting in hindsight.

The book is an overview of the history of the expansion of NATO, as well as US-Russia relations following the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and it gets its name from the famous "Not One Inch" statement, wherein the United States at least expressed openness towards NOT expanding NATO. Sarotte is more definitely more interested in analyzing the actions of the United States, including where we may have gone wrong, than she is in analyzing the failures of Russia but it is obvious that that does not constitute a position any more sympathetic to Russia than a cold and impartial view of international geopolitics allows; the book is directed at American and NATO audiences.

Ultimately the story is mostly one of good intentions falling prey to political opportunism and failures in communication by Western leaders that did not fully appreciate not only the opportunity that the fall of the Soviet Union presented, but the challenge of integrating the new Russia into the international community.

Especially interesting is Sarotte's position that the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008 and annexation of Ukraine in 2014 is at least partially due to the threat that an expanding NATO posed to the former Soviet power.

Anyone read this or know of any other good geopolitical histories?
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>Anyway, Ukraine wasn't anti-Russian during Euromaidan (google "Russian flags on Euromaidan"), it became so when Russia backed up Yanukovitch and annexed Crimea. So Americans didn't make this mistake, Russia made it.
Is this some new retard narrative?
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>>23608365
Yes, Ivan, NATO invaded Ukraine and hoisted Russian flags on Maidan in 2013.
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>>23608374
Look. There are leaked calls where US officials talk about who to put into the new Ukrainian government. That's who controlled the opposition.
Were people just protesting because le corrupt kleptocrat? Probably. But it doesn't really matter what "the people" think anyway.
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>>23608365
Yes, didn’t you hear? The maidan government was entirely grassroots and they were campaigning for a government with closer ties to Russia but then Russia just randomly invaded Crimea for no reason so they weren’t able to get their way.

Daily reminder that (((translations))) are a psyop and you are a pleb if you read them
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>>23606513
Christians deserve to be mistranslated since their whole religion is based around mistranslations
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>>23606513
fucking horrible, I remember looking up translations of Plato and most were done by christfags so they changed all the religious terms to make it sound like Socrates was christian or something.
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>>23607247
>Did you learn in your study to distinguish casual latin from formal latin?
Caesar's Latin very much differs in style and diction from poems. You can compare it with the Aeneid and see how much more direct it is. Likewise, it's much different from treatises like Cicero's de Oratore, which is very formal because it's all about the discourses between Roman patricians. Caesar's Latin in those works was for the common man to understand his exploits.
>Therefore what your complaint boils down to is a translator that failed at their job
Even casual Latin is a very structured and well-organized language, so there's a tough balancing act that even good translators will struggle with. Think of trying to translate an American politician's speech to Russian while keeping the tone the same.
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>>23607422
I have compared the holy scripture sources, and you are completely incorrect.
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the jews literally invented the babel myth to psyop everyone into not understanding each other


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