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/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc. If you want to discuss history, religion, or the humanities, go to /his/. If you want to discuss politics, go to /pol/. Philosophical discussion can go on either /lit/ or /his/, but ideally those discussions of philosophy that take place on /lit/ should be based around specific philosophical works to which posters can refer.

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/lit/ is a slow board! Please take the time to read what others have written, and try to make thoughtful, well-written posts of your own. Bump replies are not necessary.

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So, let me get this straight. Science is telling us we live in a multiverse, not because that's what is most logical, but it's the only way scientists can answer why the universe has fine-tuned constants. Personally, I find that to be a huge leap of fatih, far greater than saying that we live in a virtual reality with some kind of creator(s). What do you guys believe? I think at this point in time, science demands just as much faith as religion.
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But it becomes dogma when used in debate. People like Krauss and Harris, self-proclaimed atheists, argue that a creator makes no sense, but somehow a substance or a string at the foundations of reality is a SOUND ALTERNATIVE explanation.
I agree that some people attempt to weild science as dogma, but that's the failing of those individuals. Do yourself a favour and disregard their nonsense.

>The test is dependent on faith, so it's still faith.
This is bad reasoning, and you should feel bad for posting it.
>reasoning is good
Back to ribbit

Funnily enough my friends call me The Fence Sitter
No they are not. String is still viewed as a joke. What is this obsession you people have with talking things you don't know shit about? It's disgusting.

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ubiquitous shelf thread [1/4]
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Kinda tiny. I have poor eyesight but it's readable for me, at least.
I bought the Oxford edition because I expected good endnotes and things like that, and there are plenty of good endnotes indeed. I recommend it.
Thanks for that shot. I'm interested in it for the same reasons, I heard it has a good introduction and great end notes. I'll probably pick it up. Thanks.
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I'm pretty jealous. Nice collection.
if the entirety of your personal library is fiction, then you do not have a personal library.

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So uh, I heard you guys are like the really clever guys from this cesspool
Can you brainiacs give me one (1) argument that will convince me of that being NEET is bad and following the path society tells me to follow is good?
Please, no "lel parasite virgin loser xP" tumblr-tier posts
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>So... I should just stay NEET then?

If you already accept "living as a NEET is maximizing my pleasure and is morally permissible," then I don't see how I could possibly persuade you otherwise outside of persuasive rhetorical power, but that's not really an argument.
>I dont think I owe anything to anyone
Do you not ever think about how your life would be different if your parents were like many and neglected/abused/abandoned you? You don't think you owe your parents a thing? Will you be perfectly content with them living out their old age in nursing homes?
Read Old Man and the Sea. Then tell me how it is that you are a man, yet you've no scars of life. How can you justify your existence if you yourself refuse to live?
Unless the parents have planned really well, living on a retirement income is not easy. Additionally, old people can get medical issues that totally wipe out all retirement savings.

Even if OP doesn't want to support his parents, they're going to die at some point. The support will be gone leaving OP old and skillless, looking for an entry level job.
And what happens after they die?
What you propose is weird, is like if I should be the actual parent, sacrificing my life to make them happy
They are not poor, they will not die of hunger and they dont need extra money, McDonalds salary isnt enough to feed 3 people anyways

I think I will end up getting a job anyways, so when if for some reason I get out of this "not giving a fuck about anything phase" and feel like doing something with my life I have some money to finance that "something"

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Was this the peak of literature?
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What can quell the pain of not calling into the survey?
That isn't post-modern, it's post-post modern.
this is fascinating. once the cat has a hold of the desired object, or the most important thing in the world (the truth, meaning) it has lost its value to the human and can't be used again.
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perfect post-irony
>he says "oringe
say hi to cletus for me


Science Fiction

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Even as far as typical monomyth stories go, where hero starts from small beginnings, learns to fight/other, goes through growth as a person to match their martial abilities, etc
Eragon touches on all the headstones of those but never really does anything with it, like after he learns the Ra'zac who did kill his uncle in the first book are a dying race in the 2nd, he's still fine with killing them off entirely in the 3rd book.
Now there's more to this and the more I talk about the books the more I remember and i'd be fine with him being focused on vengeance, killing, etc if this was BEFORE he spent time with the elves and became "one" with nature and life and junk

I mean, you could argue that this is signs of a flawed and complex character but we all know he isn't that deep of a character

I might re-read this more later with time but I might also find a way to recycle these books too, so maybe not
It has been a long time though so I don't blame you for your opinions from almost a decade ago
Just to point out something, if I'm wrong then disregard this.

But when he was with the elves, he did not become "one" with them exactly. The purpose of him being there was just to hurry up his training/change his body. He did talk about feeling odd and out of place, because he did not fit in with the elves and neither with humans.

The whole not eating meat I think wasn't a big factor of "one with nature" it just meant he became too sensitive due to having done the work outs with his mind but other than that he never really did state he had become completely into the elves religion.

As for the Ra'zac, you could argue that they had no redeeming qualities in the first place but again, my knowledge is rusty.
You might be right there anon, I'm probably rustier than you are
I might have to re-read more because I am doing most of this from memory
REMOVE SRANC remove sranc.
you are worst tekne. you are the sranc abomination you are the sranc smell. return to agongorea. to our kyranean cousins you may come our false men mansion. you may live in the mediel screw….ahahahaha ,golgoterath we will never forgeve you. rascal FUck but fuck asshole sranc stink bashrag consult consult..sranc genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead sranc..ahahahahah CONSULT WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget apocalypse .cil-aujas we kill the king , nonmen return to your precious mansions….hahahahaha idiot sranc and nonmen smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE SRANC FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. Kunuiri+Aorsi+Eamnor+Meori+Kyraneas=kill consult…we will ordeal, titirga alive in cil-aujas, titrga gnosis in cil-aujas.. . deep gnosis titrga meorn. we are in mansion and have nimil now hahahaha ha because of gin'yursis… you are evil stink sranc… you live in a arc hahahaha, you live in a horn

titirga alive numbr one #1 in meorn….fuck the kuniuri ,..FUCKk ashol srancs no good i spit in the mouth eye of ur arc and no-god. titrga aliv and real strong sohonc kill all the sranc farm aminal with gnosis magic now we the meori rule . leader of the mangaecca shauriatus fukc aurang and lay egg this egg hatch and no-god wa;s born. stupid baby form the eggn give bak our clay we will crush u lik a skull of sranc. meorn greattst nation

Jack Vance's Dying Earth setting.

Gene Wolfe's "The Book of the New Sun" tetralogy.

Douglas Adams's "The Restaurant at the End of the Universe".

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i tried to read it and i just felt like it was trying to arouse me into having sexual feelings towards children

am i supposed to enjoy this? resist it? it's like reading gay porn
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As a matter of fact, I don't. I tried reading it, too. I got about a third of the way in, to the point where he's living in the house with the girl but has only molested her. Frankly, it's disgusting, disturbing, and freakish.

>inb4 methinks thou protest too much

Fuck off. That shit was groce.
fuck off moralist
you don't deserve literature
go read YA

Morality is the fabric which holds society together. If you like computers and air-conditioning, you can suck my left dick, shitlord.
>has only molested her.
That didn't even happen.
I know the part you are thinking of, you are misremembering or you just didn't understand to begin with,

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What is art?
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Maybe it is more solid, but the highlights from TMR are just next level
>tfw the intro of sweet sweet bulbs
TMR relies too much on the novelty of it for its effectiveness, to me. It has a few great songs- Dachau Blues, Ella Guru, and Moonlight on Vermont being a few- but ultimately its chaotically cohesive style is without substance. Mirror Man is a perfect blend of his experimentation and blues expertise, be it from the long play jam Tarot Plane to the surreal lyrics of 25th Century Quaker. I actually prefer the Mirror Man Sessions to the original work, but as far as studio albums go Mirror Man is Beefheart at his best.
6/10 IGN
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cпacибo мypн ьгcp aщшк зкщвгcштп ьy eщ epшы игтв ифиню
Sorry I forgot to change my keyboard.

Has any book ever moved you to tears, /lit/?

I read Moby-Dick about two years ago on my own time, and the book left a powerful imprint on my mind. Now, I'm in a class that requires me to read it, so I'm reading it again. When I read "Loomings," and then "Call me Ishmael" again, I burst into tears. I felt like I was home, like I was back where I belonged.

Has a book ever made you feel that way? Or we can have a Moby-Dick thread. Whatever.
Ishmael awakening with Queequeg's arm around me makes me laugh, mostly because I am still reading the book, only just having finished Sermon
I can't wait to read this book again.
Most of the fiction I read is for the symbolism and understanding the theme and implications in the real world. The only books that have actually left me emotionally moved are shitty books (many children's books) with flawed characters I can relate to. Like Bridge to Terabithia for example.

Will Epic Poetry ever make a comeback?
Should it?
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I feel like it could be done, and should be done.

But what should the subject be? It should be something national. The Iliad is the Greek Epic. The Aeneid is the Roman Epic. The Divine Comedy is the Catholic Epic, and Paradise Lost is the Protestant Epic. All of them are infused with the spirit of a people, a nation, a folk. Whether ethnic or ideological, the epics bind their races together and bring them along on their incredible journeys.

With that in mind, how could one write an epic today? What would be an epic for the modern world?
the Epic poem of the world would have to be mono-mythic, archetypal and lonely
>sounds bad, there are no heroes and both sides are evil

You really don't understand epic poetry.
Please enlighten me senpai.

I have read Homer Virgil and Dante.
oh, believe me, it is.

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ITT Thread: Famous people who browse /lit/

Petko, you are literally the GOAT human bean
I don't think so.
wtf, I love tennis now!
The most famous person to ever browse /lit/ was Tao Lin and even he abandoned this cesspit at the first hint of success.
Was expecting better desu
what are you talking about?

I'm unable to read a book without rereading every other line. I think it's either anxiety or inability to focus. Anyone else know this feel? Can someone please give me some tips? It's destroying reading for me.
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Underline the words as you read them.
Have you tried doing as course of Cognitive-Behaviorall Therapy, friend
>I don't know, nigga, use your finger or something.

I do this.

I haven't. What's that about?
It's a very good mechanism to keep you in line about not reading books efficiently :)

Satisfaction is guaranteed, or money back, but satisfaction is guaranteed
am i being trolled

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Hi /lit/ could you please rate my slam poetry?
>Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT. Good genes, very good genes, OK? Very smart: the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart. You know, if you’re a conservative Republican—if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican, they try—oh, do they do a number. That’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune. You know, I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged. But you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me: it would have been so easy—and it’s not as important as these lives are. Nuclear is so powerful. My uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power—and that was 35 years ago—he would explain the power of what’s going to happen, and he was right. Who would have thought? But when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners— now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three. And even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger: “Fellas,”—and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so you know it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so ... And they, they just killed, they just killed us.
>slam poetry

Then I know it's absolute shit without even reading it.

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> want to read Russian novel
> never read Russian literature

Where should I start?
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funnier than you fershur
Crime and Punishment isn't a bad answer.

A book of Tolstoy's stories, maybe.
Which ones are the best?
the one where he rapes his serf, Phoebe

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Hi there!
I want to get into making comics, but my i feel like my storytelling skills are rather weak.
Could you recommend me some resources where i can learn about character development, storytelling etc.?
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>comics are for fat and ugly /r9k/-tier losers
>books are for faggots and pretentious tumblr teenagers
both of these are correct
But I don't have tumblr.
it's not connected at all, its from a book which features random pieces of art from the artist
For learning the craft and language of comics specifically, Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud is a standard. Brilliant analysis of comics storytelling.

It is as dumb as assuming all comics are. That is what you are doing.
I've read a bunch of writing books and the best books I've found so far are:
The Anatomy of Story: 22 Steps by John Truby
Writing the Breakout Novel Workbook by Donald Maas

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