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>Favorite chapter: Sirens
>Least favorite chapter: Penelope
So a lot of people have been recommending this book for some time, and I finally got around to reading it. Now, I don't know if I just got filtered or something, but I'm not sure what I was supposed to get out of it.
The prose of course was excellent for the most part. For many of the chapters it felt like I was reading poetry. But for a book as long as this, Joyce's style started to wear thin for me. By time I got to Circe, I was ready for the book to be done.
And as far as the themes go, it just seems like Joyce was posing a lot of questions but never really providing any sort of conclusion. Which perhaps was the point, but it certainly did not make for a satisfying read. At least for me anyways.
But what did you all think about it? Personally, it wasn't my cup of tea, and I likely won't pick it up again unless /lit/ does a read along.
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DO YOU KNOW THE STORY OF ULYSSES? HOMER'S ULYSSES? LEARN OF IT.
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>>23308088
Theme is carried through empathizing with the characters, plot elements and the like are just exposition and support theme.
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>>23309078
so it doesn't stand on its own? I see..
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>>23309091
No, but not for the retarded reason that autist suggested, few works rely as heavily on the reader as Ulysses and when you get down to it what Joyce was going after is making it implicit and exploiting that literature is nothing without the reader.

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Does Sartre’s concept of bad faith apply to racists?
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>>23309040
Your continued concessions are also accepted. Your projection, however, is not. Cope.
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>>23309046
I know you can't control walking away from the thread like a good goy Stoic. That's okay man. I accept you for who you are.
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>>23309054
A rather pathetic cope, that one. All you do is cope. Your conversation with that other anon? Its cope...

Leftists experience the lack of control and seethe.
You experience the lack of control and cope.

It's just sad.

>muh stork!
>muh stork!
This is what I'm talking about. Someone tells you to stop raging at the clouds and you think them a fucking stoic. All youre doing is coping.
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>>23309044
>confusing and mixed signals
That's chaos whether the signals are faulty or not, it's not manageable. You hide, run or randomly stumble on something in a desperate gamble. The conscious human can in theory have it all planned out and persist despite them but the panic signals will still be there.
Deferring to any foreigner can be a relatively good gamble over random trial and error. In the mouse utopia he really has it all figured out compared to the broken mouselets in there.
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>>23306941
/an/ seems based.

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This shit is so fucking boring
what am i missing?
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>>23307367
I like Dubliners because it has a lot of "literally me" characters and moments. Joyce is so good at bringing these people to life and making you see yourself in them. I'm pretty sure everyone who seriously reads Dubliners is going to find at least one character, in at least one story, that they directly relate to.
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>>23307367
It's about everyday life, mundane but still packed with emotion whether it be disappointment like in Araby, childlike fun like in An Encounter or heartbreak like in A Painful Case or The Dead
Don't come into it expecting some grand stories and while not being perfect in my opinion it has some fantastic short stories about relatable life
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>>23307426
>>23307367
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>>23307498
How in the ever loving fuck can you read a story like "Eveline" or "Araby" or "The Dead" or "A Little Cloud" and think it's insipid or mundane or shit? The failures of these characters, whether through guilt, society, religion, etc. are presented with such humanity and care, also with some of the greatest fucking prose ever written in the English fucking language. You can dislike it all you like. Not your style, not riveting enough, etc. but to say that it's insipid or shit really shows your extra chromosome, faggot.
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>>23308150
Yawn, still does make for riveting stories, proselet. Vignettes would be a better description.
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itt: op argues in a circular fashion

ITT: books that make plotfags seethe, boil, and flail in an impotent rage of "it doesnt le go anywhere" and 1-star reviews on normie sites.
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>>23309059
The Unnameable
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>>23309064
and there it is
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>>23309064
Plotfags love this shit. Prosefags disllike it.
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>>23309059
Moby-Dick
Confidence-Man
Against Nature

These are all the books I have in my backlog that I’ve been meaning to get to read. Any suggestions on where to start?
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>>23309042
Blood meridian.
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>>23309042
Frankenstein. All downhill from there.

Is this Pynchon's worst novel?
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>>23306806
>you live long enough to become a pastiche of yourself

Grim.
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>>23306991
what don't you understand? they don't feel real at all, pynchon is an ideas guy, his characters all read like goofy cartoon cutouts
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>>23307029
Characters can be allegorical too you know.
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>>23307029
Archetypal characters can still be very compelling.
I feel like the people who make these claims fall into the comic book reddit trap of every character needing to "develop," as if the only point of a character is to use a narrative to learn some kind of Mother Goose lesson. At some point internet debate faggots decided "developing" a character is synonymous with them being "good."
Look at Seaman Bodine. He doesn't change, he's very goofy, but he's incredibly interesting to see move through Pynchon's world, he's memorable and enjoyable. I'd say he feels like a cartoon in a good way, in the sense that you see him in every sentence starkly outlined in your head like Bluto or Patrick Star, it makes his actions and dialogue viscerally come to life.
>Seaman Bodine looks up suddenly, canny, unshaven face stung by all the smoke and unawareness in the room. He's looking straight at Slothrop (being one of the few who can still see Slothrop as any sort of integral creature any more. Most of the others gave up long ago trying to hold him together, even as a concept-"It's just got too remote" 's what they usually say). Does Bodine now feel his own strength may someday soon not be enough either: that soon, like all the others, he'll have to let go? But somebody's got to hold on, it can't happen to all of us-no, that'd be too much...
>Rocketman, Rocketman. You poor fucker.
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>>23304029
You're right, Vineland is even worse.

Moby Dick is to whaling what … is to architecture.

Please fill in.
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>>23307383
The Cathedral by Huysmans
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Maybe the Hunchback of Notre Dame?
Hugo was one of the first ones to see gothic architecture as beautiful after it fell out of style in the renaissance.
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>>23307394
The Fountainhead excoriates modern architecture and lazy creators of all stripes and it was made back when modern art was far less offensively dogshit and pervasive. The story is how Howard Roark would sooner have his soul beaten out of him than give up on building even one masterpiece of his own visions and how the rest of the architecture world is the exact opposite of this which is why we have shitty modern architecture.
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>>23307383
Pillars of the Earth
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>>23307815
>Maybe the Hunchback of Notre Dame?
This is the only correct answer.

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Opinion on audiobooks? You all consider it cheating?
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>>23305871
Damn, Homer btfo.
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>>23306052
If you aren't already hosting them with Audiobookshelf, you should check it out. One of the best developed open source programs I've used.
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I've never tried audiobooks but it seems like it would be a pain to go back and relisten to a previous section, and pretty much impossible to look up something specific quickly. I'm too used to the ease of navigation afforded by my e-reader. Plus, you apparently have to pay for listening time? What kind of kikery is that?
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>>23305864
>Opinion on audiobooks?
They're awesome. Currently listening to picrel.
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try listening to a dialogue by plato and youll be able to follow.

try listening to the iliad and youll be struggling to understand whats going on.

pros and cons of just trying to understand and get through a book. as far as experience goes though, reading is far superior.

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Finally…
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>>23307019
I don't know how that Pius quote indicates what you're saying at all. Tbf you might know something I don't know because I've never delved into the minutia that online trad caths have. I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school, and participated in my archdioceses and I've only ever gotten the opposite impression from priests and bishops that I've talked to or heard lecture.
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>>23303411
Two down. Hopefully Harris is next.
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Why are Christians so mean?
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>>23308956
>Why is 4chan ______ ?
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reminder that an atheist dying is meaningless

>Ask what the most faithful retelling of the Legend of King Arthur is
>Get recommended The Once and Future King
Don't get me wrong, I think this is a pretty decent book, but Monty Python and the Holy Grail is unironically a more faithful retelling of Arthurian legend than this novel.

Are there any books out there that are basically Le Morte D'Arthur for a modern audience?
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>>23308099
I do. When do the police show up and arrest him? Is that in the directors cut?
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>>23308104
They never do that specifically, but if you'll remember they veer wildly away from Arthurian legend multiple times. If anything, Disney wound up downplaying just how wildly the book deviates.
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Thoughts on this?
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>>23308245
graphic design was her passion
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>>23307502
The Howard Pyle books on King Arthur as well as the great book of King Arthur by John Matthews.

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In your fear of creating something normal and unimpressive you stare at the blank canvas of life long enough and you wait until all the paint dries up, and your heart stops loving life, the fire in your soul turns into ash, your flesh turns into bones and your dreams and thoughts fade into oblivion.
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Maybe you don't want to write fiction, maybe you should be doing essays instead.

I got into programming because I thought I wanted to do videogames, never did that, but got a lucrative and interesting career instead.
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hey, that's good. just how i feel.
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>>23308243
This is the fruit of the novel as a medium. Storytelling is always repetitive and part of a tradition. Even Virgil or Homer didn’t create any of their stories. Don’t be discourage by seeking “originality,” find beauty in things others have made and use that. “Theft” doesn’t apply to ideas or stories, they’re meant to be shared and given life by (You)
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>>23308243
everything is soo niche
everyone writes on their feed for everyone to see.
why bother chasing fame and recognition in trying to fool yourself your words are your own
they are authentic
and they mean something
id rather feel the guineuine feeling of a private thought only at most shared between friends, then lost to all the other ephemeral psychic energies that keaves only an echo of a feeling that only i get to expierence, no matter how existenially dreadful and depressing that is.
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offtopic. take your depressive blathering to /adv/

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Is this romance novel any good?
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>>23307615
Actually it's a Sturm und drang which is a precursor to the romantic movement.
It's pretty good if you're in the headspace and maturity level to enjoy it but it's not a book for everyone at all times.
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>>23307615
>>23307684
I've read it twice.
The first time I read it, it was the best book I've ever encountered.
The second time I read it, I hated it with a deep passion.
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>>23307701
It's really for 16-24 year old men who are suicidal and still able to feel infatuation. Anyone outside of that demographic will probably be put off by it.
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>>23307615
Yes

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>Loose-leaf aperture are more popular than reticent technicity

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Which of these did "group crossing country in a nihilistic pursuit" better?
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>>23308899
Voss, it was also the first by a few decades.
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>>23308915
They are as alike as they are different. The major diversion from one another is probably the goal for the characters in each: Although Voss aspires to become some Nietzschean superman, there remains the two undercurrents of discovering the supposed paradise across the Great Dividing Range, and to build a proper relationship with Trevelyan.
Blood Meridian, on the other hand, quickly collapses into a sludge fest of death and murder.
Voss & co willingly pull themselves into the blackhole of the Australian outback, and just like in a black hole they are slowly disintegrated and pulled apart from the nothingness. in BM, on the other hand, the Glanton Gang is pulled into the eternal whirlpool of war that has plagued that part of North America since time immemorial.

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Seems like a pretty straightforward story but I'm interested if anyone had any specific analyses on it


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