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I used to read random books, but not anymore. The Internet is full of various paths of research. The one i attach to this post seems the most reasonable, but I'm still unsure.
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>>25466356
half of this list is unnecessary
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>>25465719
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9GwT4_YRZdBf9nIUHs0zjrnUVl-KBNSM
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>>25465719
I started with Anthony Kenny's a New History of Philosophy, it's pretty good as a general overview. I'm about 400 pages into it now
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>>25465719
picrel is definitely a terrible way of getting into philosophy. Either start with the greeks by reading some Plato (maybe his Meno dialogue) or start with the moderns by reading descartes and then locke, then going on from there.
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>>25466356
I usually don't respond to replies, but I see that you made an effort to explain this well, so thank you

On 4chan:

There are two aspects to merely clever argumentation that call for fur-
ther notice and which are to be contrasted with conceptually comprehend-
ing thinking.53 – On the one hand, merely clever argumentation conducts
itself negatively towards the content apprehended; it knows how to refute
it and reduce it to nothing. It says, “This is not the way it is”; this insight is
the merely negative; it is final, and it does not itself go beyond itself to a new
content. Rather, if it is again to have any content, something other from
somewhere else has to be found. It is reflection into the empty I, the vanity
of its own knowing. – What this vanity expresses is not only that this con-
tent is vain but also that this insight itself is vain, for it is the negative which
catches no glimpse of the positive within itself. Because this reflection does
not gain its negativity itself for its content, it is not immersed in the sub-
ject matter at all but is always above and beyond it, and thus it imagines

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AIslop makes Heglel obsolete
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>>25462953
good post
>>25463270
humility precedes understanding
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>>25464141
Humility proceeds? Understanding
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Based.
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>>25462953
>The reason I liked 4chan at some point was precisely because it was the only place where people were willing to sincerely explore silly ideas instead of citing tired dogma to "debunk" everything for ego points.
Yeah. That exactly what gave 4chinz its unique taste, which was reflected on memes and the underground picks on each board. Unfortunately, that has been replaced by the same corpo crap you find everywhere elss and if you resist against it you are labelled as an "election tourist".

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How important is an author's physical appearance for his success?
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>>25467968
>women are only attracted to tall good looking men with full heads of hair

I learned this when I was 12, the guy in your pic is ugly as hell
>>25468093
he would be better if he had a better face and full head of hair and was not him


a lot of people will cope in their replies to this post
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>>25468011
This. Why THAT jacket and THAT t-shirt? Do you really want your first public appearance to be associated with a joke about being impotent?
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>>25468526
From what I know of his channel, yeah he probably does.
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>>25468176
It's the tuber himself promoting his book for free
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>>25468011
>>25468526
He's a youtube humorist who adapts wikipedia articles into whimsical video essays. I don't know if he has plans to run for public office.

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Gifted edition

Stubbed >>25451481

>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>Advice for Noobs!

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Return of the Runebound Professor was dumb fun.
Book of the Dead was okay.
I’m wondering what I should go for next. Has anybody read Pale Lights? I couldn't get what it’s about from the blurb. I know it’s from the author or PTGE which I haven’t read.
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>>25468751
>Unserious character beats serious setting
Wow, next you'll tell me that Popeye can solo The War of The Three Kingdoms.
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>>25469100
Pale Lights is a classic fantasy novel basically.
Bunch of characters get sent to a military academy's insane proving ground because of geopolitical machinations that require them all to get there.
Magic system's about making bargains with minor gods.

It's good but it takes a while to get going and the first arc does feel a bit hunger gamesy even if it does interesting things with it.
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>>25469123
Yeah? Popeye is OP in any wuxia.
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>>25469759
This old monster comprehends the dao of spinach

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>is cruel to his pregnant wife because he cares too much about glory, gets wounded and loses her as a result.
>Could have married Natasha, but decided to hold off on it for a year because he was too caught up in his own doubts.
>Doesn’t look after his son.
>Goes back to war after his first experience went so badly. >Dies.

Why did Andrei fumble every single chance at happiness he was given? The guy was set up for life and he threw it all away for nothing.
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>>25467350
My answer to your post hinges on whether you are gonna ask "what's the point?" or not.
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>>25467350
Didn't do enough geometry, didn't listen to his based dad.
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Currently reading Anna Karenina because my dad asked the whole family to read it for his birthday. The Levin chapters are great, but every Anna chapter I want to stop reading. After Madam Bovary I said I never wanted to read a woman's novel again, which is to say a novel predominantly about the domestic, courtship, marriage, social standing, female friendship/rivalry, sexual double standards regarding infidelity, etc, with very little attention paid to male interests like adventure, business, professional ambition, exploration, politics, or intellectualism. In some ways the Anba chapters feel even more of a slog than Bovary was.
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>>25467436
I felt the opposite, I found Levin's chapters to be a bore, but I liked Anna's chapters, especially her death scene.
Anyway, it seems like you prefer romances over novels. Which is a defensible position, I'd also much rather reread Gravity's Rainbow than honor the ballsack.
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>>25467350
>wanting to be happy

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>Hegel, installed from above, by the *schlop* powers that be, *schlop* as the certified Great Philosopher, was a flat-headed, insipid, nauseating, illiterate charlatan, who reached the pinnacle *schlop* *schlop* of audacity in scribbling together and *schlop**schlop* dishing up the craziest *schlop**schlop* mystifying nonsense.

>This nonsense has been noisily proclaimed *schlop**schlop* as immortal wisdom by mercenary followers and readily*schlop**schlop* accepted as such by all fools, who thus joined into *schlop**schlop* as perfect a chorus of admiration as had ever been heard before. The extensive field of spiritual influence with which Hegel was *schlop**schlop*furnished by those in power has enabled him to achieve the intellectual *schlop**schlop* corruption of a whole generation.
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>>25468281
I'm a Schopenhauerian, in fact, I was the one who started this thread.
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>>25468311
schopenhauer sounds like a fag whose shit's all retarded
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>>25468281
embrace the bluepill and begome a Hegelian because reality sucks.
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>>25467187
Schopenhauer says that misery and hating existence are innate to existence which justifies a ruling class that makes others miserable. Freud suggests (depending on what conclusion you follow) that actual issues like not being able to afford rent are not the problems of society but that everything has to do with sex and sexuality

The latter concept has been satirized (in the German original it’s sexual *obsession*)
https://youtu.be/6AJQvYaDqw8
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>>25468311
>was never instrumentalized
David Lindsay came pretty close, though.

What is the most difficult book in your opinion?
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not a single mention of Process and Reality all thread, shame on you anons
>>25468015
he may not have but i have and agree with him, Dostoyevsky's big novels are daytime soap operas, he should have stuck to short stories
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>>25464088
And what did you learn?
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>>25468207
>Process and Reality
Dead meme
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/thread
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>>25468207
I've noticed that low IQ contrarians such as yourself would say this about pretty much any book that's entertaining and features some form of relationship drama.

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I've been considering enrolling in one of those creative writing masters provided by UK universities. Does anyone have experience taking one of these? Was it worth your time? Was it worth the money? Did you learn anything useful?

The one I'm interested in specifically is a 2 year course by the University of Hull. I'm seriously desperate and at my rope's end need to figure out what to do with my life and literature is my passion.
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>>25466158
all of this is avoidable if you leave your house
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>>25466224
Do you have a finished story or stories?
Paste it into Claude
Ask if the writer has studied creative writing or has an MFA in creative writing and see what it says
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>>25466101
Mostly going to be people talking out of their asses on here, and has been so far. I also don't have any experience, but I've heard what sound like reasonable complaints about creative writing programs, mostly as some extension of them being writing-by-committee. The pressure to write consistently, like you mentioned wanting, is one positive thing I've heard, but there are other avenues you can use for that; my tactic is to write stuff for a literary open mic that happens regularly near me, and you could just as well search for magazines up your alley and push yourself to submit regularly.

Do you actually want to make a career out of writing? Or do you just to improve as a writer? What do you really want out of it?

This is an article (i.e. blog post, i.e. list of complaints) you might find interesting:
>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/how-to-fix-creative-writing-education
and they've got a bunch of posts on writing in general (or complaints about their local scene or MFAs or whatever) that are pretty good.
>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/your-poetry-sucks-the-heel-manifesto
>https://www.discordiareview.com/p/bulldoze-the-mfa-programs
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>>25466255
those are all happening outside of my house

my house is my safe space from the world

ps. it's an apartment
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>>25466101
It's only worth it if you study under someone who knows their shit. Look into who heads up the writing program at your local university. See what they've accomplished, read some of what they've written, and judge for yourself if you think they have anything to offer you.

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>old book gets a new translation
>new translation is bland, softened and politically correct, deliberately written to appeal to an audience comfortable with young adult directness & spareness of vocabulary
>that is, with the intention of being marketable, adopted by high school classes and redditors
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>>25466838
I hate this painting so goddamn much
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another Wilson thread, ok I still hate her too
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>>25468105
I love it.

The first time I saw it at the met, I came back to it thricely.

I admit he never really painted anything else of any value, but this one, this one worked.
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>>25468330
>what is L’origine du monde?
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>>25466838
In certain way, it's funny that they picked a terrible book cover to ensure no one ever reads that translation.
>>25468123
This thread is about Robert Holton.

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Nothing like an old money English gent getting all ruddy.
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Those prurient puritans
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>>25468241
Being molested by your uncle will do that to you.
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>>25468272
Ahyuk

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>compassion is the basis for morality
>fuck you bitch down the stairs you go!
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>>25463259
basado!
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>>25463286
>>25463363
lmfao
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She violated the NAP. Schopenhauer was metaphysically libertarian
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>>25468270
>Why is compassion moral?
it benefits me, and it benefits you
>what if it doesn't benefit you?
then it isn't moral. morality is mutually beneficial. simple as.
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>>25468270
how is defining morality as subjective to a particular form of human judgement wrong, but defining it via the will of an agent not?

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What was your favourite book/book series as a kid or young teen?
I loved the CHERUB books. Read most of them, they were in the school library. I don't know if they hold up or not, but it was the first book series that really got me into reading.
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>>25466377
Chick detected.
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Let me guess, you "need more?"
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>>25467552
We got a real Sherlock Holmes over here
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Goosebumps and Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.

In retrospect, I just liked the illustrations and covers. The stories were never as good as they were in my head.
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>>25462162
Not much of a reader as a kid but I did read these in school when we had to read.

>"Those who seek pleasure should buy a dildo, for art, literature and music does not have the enjoyment of people as it's objective"

>"Literature demands much more intelligence than medicine, or mathematics"

>"Philosophy is the religion of those who do not feel comfortable with that of their parents"

>"The enemies of freedom are philosophy, religion, and political ideology. It's friends are literature and science."

>"Put yourself to work, it's the best form of self help"

>"If Germany had understand Don Quixote it would have saved itself 2 world wars"

What does /lit/ make of this guy?
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>>25468017
>his point is that Don Quixote is an anti idealist book
OHNNONONONO AHAAHAHHAHA
Don Quixote’s number one fan got giga-filtered by it, you can’t make this shit up
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>>25468150
How is it idealist?
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Never heard of him and without context don't care about his opinions.
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>>25468192
A significant part of the book is sancho learning the value of idealism and the beauty of nobler ideals despite the earlier stupidity, particularly in the superior second “half” of the book (because it’s two books, not one). Also, when Quixote gives up his idealism, he literally dies, becoming a cynic like everyone else literally kills him. I’m not saying that Cervantes didn’t intend Quixote to be absurd at all but there’s also such a clear theme of the value of idealism above material cynicism.
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>>25468017
https://youtu.be/OUb40BdYbcI
>Nobody else has a Quixote, no one else could ever have it
>You could never have a Quixote in any other language
>It's impossible
>You don't have the vocabulary to have a Quixote
>Best case scenario you could have some smart translator so that you can more or less see from afar what it's like to have a Quixote
>You either know Spanish or you cannot understand Quixote
>There are things that can only be appreciated in Spanish
>Now if you want to learn useless languages...
>*prrrt!*

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>mechas
>shotacon
>mindrape
This is just like my Japanese animes
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>Doctorow
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>>25465948
yeah and it shits on Walt Disney... go figure

The idea that a philosophy's validity, or how seriously it should be taken, depends on how well the philosopher lives up to their own advice or musings is one of the stupidest opinions I've seen repeated on this board.

A philosophical viewpoint should be judged on its own merits and nothing else. A philosopher's biases are only worth raising if they affect how the idea should be interpreted, e.g. if a philosophical claim is presented as grounded in empirical fact, but research shows the author lies by leaving out evidence that contradicts it.
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>>25466508
honestly struggling to pin down what your actual gripe is. the language is pretty direct and the terms simple. also you’re using ‘pedantic’ wrong. pedantic means fussing over technicalities or minor details, if anything’s it’s the opposite.
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>>25465732
I challenge you and everyone to a debate!
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>>25464667
>>25464665
Someone not living in line with their arguments doesn’t mean they don’t believe them or that the arguments aren’t true. A fat person can argue that being in shape is the optimal way for one’s body to be, that doesn’t make them wrong because they’re fat. Ideas transcend the individual positing them.
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>>25467861
if someone writes a philosophy of the body, and if it’s any good (honest, rigorous, true), it doesn’t just float free as pure ideas. it becomes a diagnostic of the writer. it shows us the precise shape of the gap between what they can think and what they can feel, what they can argue and what they can live. a philosophy that pretends the body is one way while the philosopher’s own body quietly testifies to another isn’t ‘transcending’, it’s just incomplete. or dishonest.
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>>25465720
Agreed. Think of all of the Danielle Chelosky threads we could be having instead!
>>25465739
TAG threads got you again?


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