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A lot of the bias against raw food seems to be stemming from the fact that kibble is extremely profitable. However, many raw feeders seem like hippies and whatnot. Are there any non biased readings I can do on raw vs kibble diet for dogs?
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>>2459831
Corporate shills have research

Hippies have muh feels
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Kibble is fucking awful for cats and kibble only cats have health problems take that as you will

But dogs can literally eat shit so whatever
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why do raw? it's harder to digest raw foods as the lion's share goes to the gut flora pigging out.

Just give the raw food a quick cooking.
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I give my small dog raw chicken wings. She's 6 and fine, her teeth are nice and white, too.

How would you stop the meat from becoming rancid unless you manage to give your cat regular meal times?
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>>2459985
Do you remove the bones?

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Anime fish edition
old thread:
>>2446035 (Cross-thread)

Discuss anything aquarium related here, including inhabitants, decor and issues.
Google is your friend.
Feel free to ask questions but know that there are a lot of resources out there that could answer your question a lot faster and accurately than /an/.
Make sure to include these things in your post before asking because we can't help you if we don't have the full picture:

-tank size (include dimensions, not just volume)
-parameters (ammonia, nitrate, nitrite, pH, GH, KH)
-any and all inhabitants + how long you've had them
Links:
Tank Cycling:
https://www.petcha.com/freshwater-aquarium-cycling/

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>>2460006
You can never have enough tank size, moving up is always a good idea.
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>>2460009
When I move up in tank size, should I be completing the nitrogen cycle before adding fish from the old tank?
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>>2460020
yes of course also dont listen to that other guy though ottos are great and all but not a beginner fish get a bristle nose pleco they feel right at home in a 20 or 30 gallon they are picky or driftwood dependent i have ottos and they are a bit fragile but almost all my decent sized tanks have a pleco and the majority are bristlenoses you get a good variety with their personality too not all are skittish and they are decently hardy i prefer them even over my clown i was just talking about
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>>2460053
they arent picky i mean>>2460020
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>>2460053
P U N C T U A T I O N

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Today I just learnt scaly leg mites are a thing, I always thought my silkies fucked genes did this to them, the way it fucked the rest of their legs. I never bread them because of this.
But fuck me, woke up and now this poor girl has these massive lumps on her now.
She's totally docile now, and seems in pain. Is it worth giving her painkillers or should I euthanize her?
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>>2459618
What am I even looking at here
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>>2459618
I don't really know what I'm looking at here but I'd recommend seeing a vet.
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>>2459618
What the fuck is this a picture of??
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How have you not attempted medical intervention on the bird up until this point? This literally qualifies as animal abuse
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>>2459659
>>2459684
they're suppose to be the feet of a bird; probably a chicken.

What are some fun things you can do with a horse?
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Fuck it and suck it.
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>>2459810
bait anons
wait, you don't even need a horse
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I had a friend who loved horses. Last I heard he had his eyes on a breeder, he said the guy's horses were to die for, I wonder how old Mr Hands is doing.
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>>2459977
>Mr Hands
probably still dead
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Ride it through a drive-thru

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Anyone here into beekeeping? I'm going to start soon and would like some tips.

How do you really start, is my question.
I have the boxes and equipment ready, but need to know some things.
Do you start with just a queen? Does she build it all from scratch (per se)?

I have a breeder that will sell me a fertilized queen. Do I need anything else?

Thank you, 4chins
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>>2459581
Noice
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>>2459584
Nah, they're all about the same.

Just do a search for beekeeping forums and go with the one that appeals to you the most.
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>>2459590
Thanks, homie.

I really appreciate y'all all.

I've been wanting to do this for 20 years and have finally made the opportunity happen for myself.
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>>2459528
Hey OP
Good topic. Good advice here as well. Start getting ur hands on as much research as you can. It's gonna be a lot of the same but the nuance advice will maybe pull through in an emergency situation. Talk to people who do them. The more local relationships you can network the more information about your local bees, problems, seasonality, etc. you will be on top of if not in a small way. Don't underestimate protecting your hive and let them thrive as much as you can before you interfere if they are healthy. Look into swarm traps, and having a healthy bee-friendly environment is key to healthy bees. Water, pollen, resin, nectar, warmth or shade, protection from predators. The more you value the experience the more it will provide to you.
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>>2459528
Bee wary.

Dog General - Dog Days of Summer Edition
Previous episode >>2442337

Dog food review site - https://www.dogfoodadvisor.com

>What should I feed my dog?
>What breed of dog should I get?
>How do I train my dog?
>Rate my dog!
>Should I bring my dog to a vet?
>What breed is my dog?
>What toys should I get my dog?
>My dog is doing x, what do I do?
>Where do I get a dog?
>How do I take care of a puppy?

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>pretty sure dog is well housetrained by now
>hasnt peed or poo'd anywhere inside in the last two weeks
>hasnt chewed on anything in over a month, just his toys

You think its safe to trial period him out on sleeping upstairs with us now? The downstairs where I have him has no AC and it makes me feel bad
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>>2459957
how old is he? are you heavy sleepers? has he been upstairs before?
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Hey guys im looking for some material on dog breeding. I want to know about how we made modern dog breeds out of wolves/different breeds. Not how to get dogs to make babies or how to adhere to a kennel club standards. Anybody know of any good books or websites or anything?
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Anyone have opinions on getting a basenji?
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>>2459836
no idea but he has the same length coat as my mutt

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I had a slice of chocolate chambord/ mousse cake on my counter, it was about 2x2x2 slice, and one of my 3 black labs are the darn thing.
They've all had a big bowl of dry food before, and this happened about 3 hours ago.
Each pooch is around 90-100 pounds (big labs), I called the poison hotline and they said that there's a pretty low risk of anything happening because it was just a small slice, one of them was able to vomit after I gave them hydrogen peroxide, but the others have had difficulty. I'm not too worried, I've read about the internet and have seen plenty of cases where dogs (smaller than mine by like 20 pounds) have had a decent amount of cake and lived.
Just asking around seeing if anyone has any tips or things to look out for.
(Pic unrelated)
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>best friend is a baker
>guy picks up super fancy custom chocolate birthday cake one morning
>like 10 different types and styles of chocolate
>later in the day
>she gets phone call from a panicking vets office
>guys old dog ate the whole cake
>they need to know exactly what the ingredients were and percentages of chocolate to appropriately treat the doggo
>friend runs into office to track it all down
>gets flustered and starts panicking with vet on hold
>starts crying and panicking even more
>gets back to phone finally
>"ok ok ok ok I think I have most of it...um um um...the sprinkles were 15% and made with..."
"Ma'am...ma'am...it's ok. You can calm down. Don't worry about it, the dog actually just passed away...thank you for trying though."

I had to come pick her up from work since she was too upset to drive.
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>>2459442
Can vets do anything besides inducing committing and stomach pumping? I always knew what dogs can't eat and avoided it but is there anything they can do if the theobromine is in them?

I think it's weird that we can reverse most drug overdoses and venom(not so much the damage already caused to organs) but chocolate is so common and has been around for ages I would have thought someone came up with a 'cure' already. From what I've read it seems they can't do anything if it's already absorbed.
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>>2459450
Vomiting* thanks autocorrect.
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I'm back. Had a chance to talk to my friend this morning, his lab ate the baking chocolate.
Symptoms were
Restlessness
Vomiting
Dry heaves
Pacing
Drooling
Motionless laying, panting, heaving.
He was staying at his mom's house, after a while she came down and said what the hell is going on?
>Dog is sick
No wonder, THREE POUNDS OF UNSWEETENED BAKING CHOCOLATE we're here when I went to bed.
Phone calls were made to find emergency vet on holiday weekend. Only one was 45 mins away.
>I thought the dog died twice on the way. He stopped breathing, and had no heartbeat.
Vet induced vomiting with hydrogen peroxide, administered activated charcoal, and gave an i.v. for dehydration. They kept the dog overnight.
>I was sure we'd never see him alive

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>>2459966

>1500USD


The absolute state of American healthcare

Hey, guys. I fucking love non-parrot/corvid birds.
I've owned chickens and pigeons before, but I can't stop thinking about ostriches.
I have a whole incubation room that stays around 85 degrees year round that I raised my chickens in and a fair bit of land. My back yard has brick all around it about 6 feet tall and is fairly large with a huge awning. I've checked local laws and restrictions involving ostriches and I'm fairly certain I'm in the clear.

The problem is I've been having trouble finding ostrich related care guides and websites.
I was wondering if any of you kind folks had any experience with raising/farming/owning ostriches or if any of you could point me in the right direction resource wise.
I'm sure it'll be a while until I'm prepared to raise a baby ostrich, but I'm dead set on having one within the next 2 years.

TLDR; Red pill me on owning ostriches.
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>>2458636
>>2458693
Actually.
I think riding him around or maybe having him plow some fields to make an ostrich safe garden would both be good exercise for him.
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>>2458541
Aren't ostriches social animals? Even if you're with it all the time, you can't replace the company of another ostrich. That alone will really stressful, so I'd honestly try for two if you're really going to do this.
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>>2458700
Maybe put an emu in with it?
I don't know if I could really handle two ostriches unless I become a body builder.
But then again.
I have one chinchilla and she's happy as fuck.
And one pigeon and he refuses to find a mate and he's pretty happy. Sassy as hell, but happy.

I'm not too sure if having one social animal is as bad as /an/ thinks it is.
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bump
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>>2456834
Can confirm, we call those ├▒andus and they are as friendly as a chicken is, (not much really).

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Lets discuss animals that could have existed, animals that might exist somewhere or animals that might exist in the future.
Where might evolution take the human race?
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>>2456489
Not true. It's believed that there are whole species we will never discover because their bone structure was too weak or they thrived in conditions that didn't allow for the formation of fossils.
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>>2456535

It doesn't have to be fossils. >>2455852 Mentioned the creature existing up until the late 19th or early 20th century. There would be intact skeletons on the ocean floor of what would be essentially whale sized amphibians. There would also be occasional beached carcasses that would be impossible to downplay as anything else.
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>>2455852
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>>2456631

Lol penis head
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Would anyone want to start a astrobiology project that spands a few different planets?

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Moth's thread
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Found this guy at work yesterday. Anybody knows what spieces is this?
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>>2459330
u u u u
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>>2459276
mantis shrimp
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>>2459410
Same colors. Wrong family.
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>>2459358
Some kind of Hawk-Moth

All things birds, from pets to wild birbs. Always looking for more shit to add to OP
Previous >>2427689
>DIY bird cages
https://www.beautyofbirds.com/buildingacage.html

>Birb ID
https://www.allaboutbirds.org

>buy birbs
https://www.purelypoultry.com

>Very basic pet birb care
http://www.aav.org/?page=basiccare

Last but not least

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>>2450277
Swift's can't walk or perch like a normal bird. Their feet are too small and they have to cling to vertical surfaces much like a wood pecker. If it's not flying or resting on a vertical surface something is wrong with him.
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>>2460011
He was probably ill, rather than simply malnourished and too weak to fly. RIP
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How do I humanely euthanize a bird?
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>>2460029
If it's too injured, put the poor thing in a Ziploc and gas it with a co2 canister if you have one.
Or you know use a search engine.
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>>2460043
So hit it in the head with a hammer?

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I was at the vet with my 14 year old Labrador today and he's got metastases all over his lung. I'll have to put him down soon to spare him the worst. Feels fucking horrible. Anybody got tips on how to cope with this.
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>>2459306
im sorry dude, my 13 year old black lab just got diagnosed with bone cancer in her shoulder
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>>2459306
I might be a retard for asking, but could he be put on a respirator? I mean, if my lungs gave out they wouldn't just euthanise me. Maybe machines could take over breathing for a while until stem-cell treatments and other options are weighed up.
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>>2459453
It's already ridiculously expensive to do those things to a human, I doubt most of us on here could afford to do it for a pet sadly. Op my 15 year old has bladder cancer, it's rough but putting them down when they start to suffer is what needs to be done unless there are medical options you can take to extend the life and quality of life.
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Hey OP
Had a cat that was 24 when he had to go, was 2014. Chokes me up when I think about him still but it's because of how much I love him. Little Siamese farm cat from a neighbors black mamma kitty that we friended and eventually birthed a litter on our place. I was about 6 or 7 when that dude was born so you might imagine all it had been through in the span of those years with me. His last year's were spent with me and my (now) wife/girlfriend.

This is our 7 year old mutt who also knew my Siamese friend. She really resembles ur pup there in the stupid face area. She was designated "old" dog and promoted to a window chair in the living room just last month. Never been allowed on the furniture unless she was invited before!! Super thrilled with it.

Point is... Love. Imagine when your 80 and still have a companion without fail. There is never replacing them, but there is always more to love. The things you learned and shared will always be with you and ever expanding. Don't be afraid to show your emotions because that is always our best way to communicate with those little beasts. Those good times will always sustain you. God bless and good luck.

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My friend's cat had kittens, and i got to have this cute one. I've had him for 2 days but i cant think of any good names! Any help?
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Maple, definitely maple
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roxo the toxo
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>>2458796
Patches
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>>2458796
Call him Cuddles if dubs
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Cheeseburger

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Can we climb it? Yes we can: edition

previously on /herp/ >>2441765

Reptile classifieds for finding breeders of various scaled and sundry creatures

>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>caudata.org for newts, salamanders and lots more amphibians
>Also check to see if there are any annual reptile shows/expos in your area as these are good places to find good animals from good breeders at partial discount


/herp/ officially official all purpose care sheet of wonder and magic


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Crappy pic, but here's my Russain Tort

I've been wanting to give him some plants, but he eats succulents too quickly and I'm not sure how aloe would take to his substrate. Is spineless opuntia cactus a good idea? I'd prefer something low maintenance.
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>>2459663

Nah. There are basically three tiers of thermometers:

Bad
>analog stick on thermometers

Good
>any digital thermometer, bonus points if it has a probe so you don't have to put the entire device in the tank

Most accurate
>ir temperature readers. Gives you an accurate reading of any surface you point it at in a fraction of a second.
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>>2459780
I don't know about the plant question but that is a handsome tort you have there. Love to see tortoises with their shells in good shape and no pyramiding. Well done.
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>>2459861
>>2459663
Can confirm that temp. guns are awesome. Even cheap ones work well.
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anyone know where i can get "green tree skinks"
otherwise known as "emerald tree skinks"

really want to get a pair

What is the point of wildlife rehabilitation? Unless its an endangered species because of humans, its death is just a part of nature and the ecosystem. in a sense its supposed to die, so what's the point in trying to save it? what does it achieve?
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>>2458919
>>2458982
>>2459654
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>>2458895
you can do it to prevent the species becoming endangered
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>>2459046
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000% this right here.
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>>2459671
>>2459873
>>2459874
This is why you euthanize high systemizers.
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I worked for a raptor rehabilitation center back in university. The vast majority, like over 90% of the birds that came there were injured by something directly related to humans. Thus, it is our responsibility to help them recover, because if humans didn't exist the bird would not have been hurt. Which fits in with your cold logic.

Also, the people I worked with there weren't crazy. They were either university students or people with families.



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