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We encourage you to have a look around the catalog first to see what we’re all about before posting your first thread. Topics typically posted here include:
>Outdoor recreational activities (Hiking, trail running, bushwhacking, camping, spelunking, geocaching, orienteering, expeditions, urban exploration, backpacking, etc.)
>Gardening, farming and related activities
>Hunting and fishing, and other activities involving the stalking or taking of game (including bird-watching)
>Outdoor survival, bushcraft, foraging, self-sustenance in nature, train-hopping, hoboism, etc.
>Outdoor destinations and exploration (specific trails, parks, regions, etc.)
>Water-related activities (boats, diving, etc.)
>Outdoor philosophy (conservation, Leave No Trace, protectionism, etc.)
>Outdoor building and living (cabins, huts, treehouses, etc.)
>Outdoor social activities and organizations (meet-ups, Scouts, NOLS, etc.)
>Gear related to any of the above topics

Most topics related to the outdoors are fine. Write properly, behave politely, encourage a respectful community, and most importantly, GO OUTSIDE!!
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Just a friendly reminder that threads about weapons which do not pertain to their use in outdoor activities should be posted on /k/ instead. Thanks.

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Planning on a backpacking trip with friends next month for a total of 5 days. We will be on an island with no amenities and we are only allowed a backpack on the ferry ride (aka no coolers, rollers etc). I have never done backpacking before only car camping. Food is the most concerning thing to me, I have a limited diet so I cannot eat fruits, nuts/seeds, most vegetables, and anything with high fiber. Which leaves me very little options.
should I just be packing a dozen freeze-dried meals? I will be with a group of 8 people but they are not likely to share food, only supplies
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>>2722631
>>2722636
I have Crohns disease and an ostomy bag (large intestine removed. Foods with insoluble fiber like green vegetables do not digest fully so they come out whole and cause discomfort. Seeds dont digest and come out as sharp pieces that could put a hole in the bag. When I am at home this is not an issue, when I am camping in the woods for a few days I dont want to do anything that could make me have pain or sick.

>>2722608
No coolers or anything on wheels are allowed on the ferry. I can only bring what I can carry in a backpack and sling.
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>>2720296
>dehydrated pouch meals
>>>more cleanup and prep
kid if you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you need to keep quiet about it so you don't embarass yourself like this
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>>2720270
37 cans of sardines
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>>2722851
wtf do i do with the stinky smelly sardine canes for 5 days? there's no trash canes
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Just-add-water pasta meals sound like they'll help. There are backpacking meal providers superior to Mountain House. MH constipates me.

Can you eat oats? If so, buy them and apportion a half cup to one cup in freezer bags together with a spoonful of dried milk (Judee's is a good brand), sugar and flavorants like cinnamon. That's breakfast.

You won't cook for lunch. Buy or make wheat tortillas and bring a jar of nut butter or a brick of cheese.

#502- “Hands Off My Soft Plastics!” Edition

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>>2717358

janny pls…

Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!
http://www.pastebin.com/u/fishingandtackle
https://imgur.com/a/1Xw3N

New Bong Fishin Guide
https://pastebin.com/sDB5SQTq

First for best telescopic rod is the one you exchanged for a 3pc.

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Realistically, how logistically feasible would it be to fish very deep down in the ocean (lower mesopelagic zone to upper bathypelagic)?

If anything, I'd probably only pull up a couple of lanternfish, but even that would be exciting.

I already have a location in mind, and getting a boat there would be no issue. It seems risky to have a thin line dropping down that far, so I'd probably go with some kind of rope with a bit of line as a leader at the end. There's no way you would feel the pull of a fish at that distance, so it would have to be more of a wait and check operation.
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>>2722858
That sounds crazy but also awesome if you could pull it off
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>>2722858
You might need a winch to haul up that much rope
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>>2722858
You'll probably never get the hooks down there before shallow water fish pick the bait clean. When you retrieve the line the hooks will be filled with seaweed, medical waste and dead bodies according to Jacques Cousteau.
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>>2722519
a bass took my gold spoon a couple weeks ago

Any of you guys like kites? Started with a $20 dragon kite from costco, had a lot of fun and then went to REI and bought a Prism Zenith 5 for like $50 and I've really been enjoying it. I bought the Synapse 140 from the same brand, a dual-line parafoil, but that has been giving me a bit of trouble and I've only gotten it in the air a couple times; I'll likely need to wait for a better wind day to get a hang of that one.
Also any kite recommendations or tips? What brands should I look at?
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>>2722737
>>2722856
Wow thanks anon! You've introduced me to a type of kiting I didn't know existed. These look very fun to fly! The more I look into kites, the deeper I realize the hobby goes.
It looks like there is a group near me that fly these Revolution kites which also look absolutely fascinating.
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Kites are based. I like flying them with my niece. Very relaxing.
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>>2722737
>horvath zerowind
this is the coolest kite shop i never knew existed
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>>2722737
Is there a US retailer for Freilein, or somewhere that sells/ships here? I can find the sea ghost for about $110 USD and raptor for about $65 USD, but they're on ebay and from china.
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>>2722883
aliexpress got them, there are some other smaller kite shops around but I haven't checked.

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> No car camping or overnight vehicle parking is allowed in pullouts, parking areas, picnic grounds, or any place other than a designated campground.
> All camp sites were booked as soon as they were put on sale
> All backcountry permits are only available to "lottery" winners

Is this the /out/ you guys speak of? Or is this Disney world?

In all seriousness, I know these are tourist destinations and they're just trying to keep scum like me out, but I have a truck camper and like a month off work (May, early June). I want to experience Yellowstone and the Cascades on a roadtrip from the Midwest. Do you all just give up on national park camping and camp in the surrounding areas then go in the park for the day? Can I count on doing a walk-up and asking for a backcountry permit and not being turned away? My original idea was to go without any reservations and split the time on my trip between car camping (no amenities needed) or tent camping in wherever I ended up, but now I see it could possibly lead to a shitty time without planning. What do you guys do if you're making a trip, plan ahead with the permits and pre-selected destinations or just wing it and do things that don't require permits? I just really wanna get out there this summer, it's my opportunity.
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>>2722767
This. I have to book shitty primitive sites in a state forest eleven months out if I want to get people together; otherwise the only camping I do is off-trail. I have a feeling they'll try to start charging us for that too in the next few years.
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>>2722768
They tow/ticket your car overnight without the permit and this might be propaganda, but I read online that rangers patrol around for people outside designated campsites so if you try to light a fire or camp outside that they'll make you leave
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It’s been a while since I had a park pass (2017 or 2018), there was always one campsite that was FCFS, and there is almost always shitty BLM or NF land that you can car camp or bike camp or whatever near the NPs.

Yosemite was tough, there is only 1 FCFS site left, an hour drive from the village, no cell service, or a 4 mile 1 way walk down/up the valley walls. Really nice sites though, right on a stream, you might need a trailer or to ask a neighboring campsite to park there while you’re gone to save the site from poachers.

There is NF in-between Tetons and the south side of Yellowstone with dirt road camping. Same with the east side of Yellowstone I think. And south of Tetons. Free or unmonitored campsites just outside the NPs.

Up by Glacier is NF sites that are old horse camps, you will see corals and hitching posts and feed holders or whatever, a pit toilet, and a little field then a road with the campsite fire rings around it. I’ve seen those down in New Mexico too, never actually seen someone with a horse at one though.

Zion NP has desert dirt road camping just before the southwest/main entrance, bring your own shade. Death Valley has a lot of dirt roads too.

Great Basin has dirt roads with Pinyon Pine camping outside of Ely, there’s lots of space between the trees and you can just drive 30ft into the maze and car camp.

Hot Springs NP is an urban park but there is a shit ton of camping on NF roads north and west of town.

Dirt roads are the best road trip free camping. Sleep outside the park for free -> stop and use the flush toilet at welcome center -> go to trailheads or whatever.

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>>2722756
>> All camp sites were booked as soon as they were put on sale
In Yellowstone, they reserve a certain percentage of sites for daily first come first serve
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>>2722768
but if the site is already booked and someone shows up to use they will not be happy for scofflaws

I remember once when our class went on a field trip to the local metropark and some guide or whoever was telling us about a plant that came out around Halloween and smelled like boloney meat

Any anons know about this plant or was he just some crazy asshole trolling some kids?

around Lake Michigan area if location helps
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Amorphophallus titanum
would be my only guess
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>>2722579
The great black swamp used to have all sorts of biodiversity before they drained it and paved it over. It could be a holdover from the native biome that was obliterated and largely forgotten.
>>2722590
This is a tropical plant, as is the Carron Flower.
Skunk cabbage is native to the US but it doesn't smell like boloney.
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The closest for deciduous forest is probably the pitcher plant. Semi-digested bugs can pile up and somewhat smell like meat. The plant itself smells sweet though.

I like quality baloney.

What other knots should you know?
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Celtic solomon's knot
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Prussic and Highwayman's are both simple and useful ones for hanging a ridgeline and tarp.
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Constrictor
Square lashing
Tripod lashing
Double Fisherman
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>>2722195
>Bowline
>Clove Hitch
>Figure 8
...but retrace or on a bight
>>2722311
>Prusik
>>2722403
>Alpine butterfly

I'll also add:
>tensionless hitch
>bunny knot/double-bight fig8

t. climber
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>>2722200
There is no reason to ever use this /out/ and lots of reasons not to.
>>2722403
The alpine butterfly is incredibly useful.
Most out situations you should use a taut-line never a truckers hitch. A truckers hitch is for securing loads a Taut Line is for creating in line tension using an adjustable knot. If you are securing a tent or tarp to an anchor the taut-line is better in almost every way.

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>get up at 6am
>get ready, pack water, snack, and gear
>cook up and eat a hearty breakfast
>drive 1 hour to trail head
>parking lot (there's 6 spots) is full
>go back home and play video games all day
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>>2722841
Just park on the side of the road bro
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Here's what I've learned hiking in a very popular out state all my life. Trails have gotten a lot worse as of like 8 years ago and I miss the solitude of my childhood. No sense in yearning for what likely is not coming back.
1. Find less popular trails; you can gauge popularity by frequency of reviews on trail websites. I can often ignore everything else on this list and see only one or two people because I've found some nice spots with very little traffic.
2. Get up earlier, 5am at the earliest
3. If you drive far, make sure it's not towards a popular area
4. Hike in the rain and cold. Summer is the worst time to hike
5. If you have a day off during the work week, use it to hike
6. Find difficult trails or poorly maintained trails, or (weirdly enough) easy remote trails. Here lots of people use trails to work out so easy hikes are frequently empty. Not sure if that's just a "here" thing though.
7. Plan weird routes in gps apps like gaia; don't just go on routes listed on websites. National forests are your friend.
8. Start or end in the dark with a headlamp. ngl this is pretty spooky sometimes if you only hike alone like me
9. Unfortunately popular hikes are popular for a reason. Sleeping in your car + starting in the dark is often the only way to enjoy certain areas.
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>>2722885
>5am at the earliest
*latest. (I do 5am most hikes, 4:30 a few times a year and 4 maybe once a year)
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>>2722859
I see two spots my ford fiesta would easily fit in.
>>2722860
They're correct. Also: do you ever think for yourself or just endlessly regurgitate comments you updooted.
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>>2722841
>Leaves on the trees
>plenty of overflow parking by the helipad
Either this isnt the trailhead, or it didnt happen today..or it didnt happen at all

Which is it?

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Are you going to watch?
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>>2722731
Anime website.
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>>2722524
archived.moe werks
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>>2722752
>If I repeat stupidity it is real
Moot hasn't owned 4chan since 2015 you mouth breathing retard. That's like saying Reddit is still a libertarian free speech zone.

4chan added dozens of boards since launch so you cancerous brain dead kiddy didlers wouldn't shit up the main content of the site.
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>>2722731
>>2722873
Hide the thread, newfag. Do the same to the endless youtuber threads and "how do i talk to women outside" threads that pop up here. Spare yourself the agony, the jannies don't do it for us anymore.
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>>2717555
Gotcha covered.

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I'm looking up maps of public national forests, to find nice land suitable for me to head out in and do recreation activities. Something that has been irking me, is that often the best access points and most convenient to public land for me are privately owned. I found a whole section of national forest essentially surrounded by private land, and for me to access it easily I'd have to cross through private land. Like why is this shit allowed for people to buy access points to public land, and then use it for their own purposes in addition to using the public land for their own purposes. Many of these people will have an effective monopoly of the public land, because they own the easiest access points and it's not easily available for anyone else. So they "control", or at the very least have a near monopoly use of the public land for their own purposes, a much greater amount of land than they actually own.

Is it a case of, they owned the land before the national forest existed, or these land are being traded privately to gain effective monopoly usage of a great amount of public land?
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>>2722703
What state do you live/hike in? That's gotta be a significant factor, right?
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>>2722703
Get a friend to drop you off and walk through their land OP. If someone tries to stop you say “sorry trying to reach this specific section of land and didn’t know if there was a trailhead, do you know where one is?” Usually they’ll let you pass and if it’s not posted at least in my state they really can’t stop you.
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>>2722703
>>2722706
I noticed this as well. I'm glad it wasn't just me. If you ask me, I think it's bullshit, but perhaps it is a case of someone having sovereignty over the land before the state came in and established a reservation or park. I guess it could be worse, but it's still not a great situation in the US. Just a few years ago, two entire mountains over 3500' (some of the highest in the park) have become entirely closed off to the public at the Catskills due to the landowners not wanting to deal with hikers anymore--land that is apparently unused by the landowners throughout most of the year.
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>>2722703
>convenient
>easily
Sounds like you're too lazy to walk a little bit and want to take the shortest path possible. Maybe focus on enjoying /out/ instead of crying that you can't take shortcuts.
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>>2722703
>Rich people have an effective monopoly on private land
The issue is that you're only now realizing this. The entire timber industry is a private/corporate grift because rich people have a monopoly and idiots don't question why we have to never ever allow old growth to recover or why we still build houses like it's 1920.

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Just got an REI membership and all I want to do now is consooooom
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>>2700104
You can return used bike helmets, they don’t question it. Your statement is only true because of that though
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>>2704162

https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/617989458

https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Cheryl-Strayed-audiobook/product-reviews/B007MIWUG0/ref=cm_cr_unknown?filterByStar=one_star&pageNumber=1

>cheating on her husband
>becomes drug addict
>gets abortion after being a whore
>pretends to go from being a drug addict whore to hiking a thousand miles with a humongous backpack with zero preparation or physical conditioning

Not gonna bother reading this work of fiction or watching the movie. Sounds like a fraud.
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>>2710245
I checked up on that Allyship in the outdoor course and apperantly its closed. They are no longer taking any applicants.

Guess the public backlash got them retracting everything.
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As with all woke companies, just abuse their return policies. If they didn’t have their 1 year policy, I wouldn’t buy shit from them. I can go test drive a backpack or jacket and return it after beating it to shit. I’ve done this with REI and Amazon. With Amazon I will buy a used or older model and the newer one as well. Then I place the old version in the new box and return the “new” item, effectively getting a nice discount.
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I love this board how fuckin absolutely butt blasted and personally offended overweight diabetic d*scord mods get when anybody ever makes a thread about going outside

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Looking to get some nice fancy outdoor apparel. What's the /out/ recommendations? Any charts?
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>>2721472
Been looking for some good pants. Probably gonna buy something with some discounts on marmot, their clearance sales. Get something for me and my mom.
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>>2721472
>>2721472
Thrift stores.
I have bought almost all my clothing from thrift stores for decades--name brand stuff for 10% the price usually in new condition.
Turns out gear heads shopping brand names to look cool outdoors don't dare condescend to set foot in a thrift store: but damn they do donate a lot of hardly used shit just because they just got this years model.

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I really like camping / hiking gadgets.
I really like things that can easily break down or fold up and can be easily carried with a standard backpack setup.
Thinks like compasses, tools, tents, bedrolls, fire starters, stoves, etc.

Post your favorite or your most recommended gadgets or doodads.

Not electronics.
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>>2721507
>Florida man spotted running around the everglades screaming, naked with a Victorinox up his ass.
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>>2722009
You can take wood with you, either before passing the treeline or before disembarking.
if it's winter and there wasn't a lot of rain immediately prior, then the dead wood is also going to generally remain burnable the whole time.
A good wood burning stove is just a good way to heat up a tent.
I wouldn't take a wood stove for longer trips without a pulka/ahkio though.
>>2722019
Folded or unfolded?
Stowed or usable length?
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>>2721498
they are all total trash. most of them are entirely aluminum or plastic except for the shovel blade too
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>>2722510
Does anyone make an actually good multitool shovel?
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if you dont have one of these, I unironically do not trust your ability to function while out or camping

>>2722733
why would you want one

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What do you guys hunt with? Whether its small or big game
What kinds of guns/bows/knife equipment do you use/recommend
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If Zombie Deer Disease / CWD / CJD is so dangerous and hard to detect/cure, why don't we just exterminate deer and be done with it, instead of letting it live and brew into an Extinction-Level Event?
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>>2717887
Yes but since I got my silencer for .22LR I haven't thought about it much. It is nice to be able to have what would be a factory hearing safe SBR without having to pay a stamp for it though.
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>>2715446
Good grouping, but with the synthetic stock the balance is forward of what I'm used to.
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>>2722823
These were both ~60 yards with no prop
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>>2722823
>>2722824
>4 MOA
>good grouping

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For me:

>Tent: MSR Hubba Hubba 2
>Bag: Gregory Baltoro 65
>Sleeping bag: Marmot Sawtooth 15
>Sleeping pad: Zlite
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>>2719229
>Tent: Blue construction tarp w/ paracord tie offs
>Bag: Mardingtop (fake Rush) assault pack
>Sleeping bag: Either a wool blanket or a 2-season mummy bag off Amazon
>Sleeping pad: Hammock
I'm poor and it's pretty warm here.
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>>2721786
I use a katadyn befree in combination with a cnoc 3L bag
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>>2720859
>kinda based
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>>2721786
Boil water in pot for one minute
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>>2719229

there's definitely a theme to my shit
>backpacking tent
litefighter 1
>car camping tent with dog, gf, normie friends, etc
spicer peak 6
>bag
carinthia defense 1, supplemented with a heavy blanket if car camping
>pad
neoair xtherm


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