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We encourage you to have a look around the catalog first to see what we’re all about before posting your first thread. Topics typically posted here include:
>Outdoor recreational activities (Hiking, trail running, bushwhacking, camping, spelunking, geocaching, orienteering, expeditions, urban exploration, backpacking, etc.)
>Gardening, farming and related activities
>Hunting and fishing, and other activities involving the stalking or taking of game (including bird-watching)
>Outdoor survival, bushcraft, foraging, self-sustenance in nature, train-hopping, hoboism, etc.
>Outdoor destinations and exploration (specific trails, parks, regions, etc.)
>Water-related activities (boats, diving, etc.)
>Outdoor philosophy (conservation, Leave No Trace, protectionism, etc.)
>Outdoor building and living (cabins, huts, treehouses, etc.)
>Outdoor social activities and organizations (meet-ups, Scouts, NOLS, etc.)
>Gear related to any of the above topics

Most topics related to the outdoors are fine. Write properly, behave politely, encourage a respectful community, and most importantly, GO OUTSIDE!!
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Just a friendly reminder that threads about weapons which do not pertain to their use in outdoor activities should be posted on /k/ instead. Thanks.

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I am thinking of ditching my tent and matress and sleeping bag for a tarp and a hammock.
Any experiences on this?
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>>2709996
Nta but ffs just admit that you exaggerated instead of trying to retroactively legitimize your claim lmao get over yourself
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>>2709967
With that kind of sleeping bag, you can unzip just the one at your feet, then secure the tube completely over the hammock. I've done that and it works as a jank TQ/UQ. Just a thought.
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>>2710019
nah everyone I know thinks hammocks are more comfy, not a single person has said gee I really wish I was on a thin piece of foam or an inflated pad that will deflate on me overnight instead of this comfy hammock
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>I know! let me be a retard in sausage casing!
>let me go through hell to setup and tension everything when I'm tired just so I can hang like a MRE for bears with limited sleeping positions
>sooo much better than sleeping on the ground! Haha I'm so quirky and unique!?
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>>2710069
>t. doesn't know anyone, has never used a sleeping mat

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how can /out/ even compete???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhUNQDO9j24
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Buy an ad.
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>>2710067
no?
what am i gonna by an ad for?
the rando vid saw when i saw drunk?
stuff it up your ass, indian boy

Modernity is so goddamn gay, decades ago you could hitchhike easily and truckers would pick you up really fast, nowadays they aren't even legally allowed to pick you because laws, company policies and insurance garbage.
And this is just an example of many, as we move forward and as the population grows things get worse /out/ wise.
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>>2709914
The new legislation is there to protect hitchhikers from those rampant rapists that call themselves lorry drivers. Doesn’t matter if you’re a man or a woman, you’ll get raped (and probably murdered) either way.
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>>2709914
If you're so determined to suck off truckers just go to Loves like the other homos
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>>2709914
It was actually a conspiracy by the FBI. The DOT didn’t want people hitchhiking on the interstate when it was being expanded in the 60’s. So other than passing laws, the FBI promoted a few kidnapping cases. Even though it was super rare, they managed to inject the idea into the cultural milieu. Now everyone thinks it’s dangerous based on old wives tales.

The irony is that it’s had the same effect on people who are psychotic, so while they might have just ignored bitch hitchhikers previously, crazy maniacs are now probably more likely to pick them up and try to harm them.
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>>2709914
Yeah I worked in a major tourest place and we had ATVs that we used to get around, there would be so many hotties walking up the hills and they would always want to hitch a ride but we weren't allowed to give them a lift. Come to think of it, I should have just done it ffs what a fag.
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Why would a woman need to hitchhike? Doesn't she have anyone to drive her?

Is there something I'm missing here? If you look around at bushcraft and camping stuff ALOT of the material is sperging about splitting wood with a sub optimal tool. When you look at knife focused stuff it becomes almost obsessive. What is so fascinating about this? Do people really spend large amounts of time breaking down tons of wood and for what? Beyond getting a fire properly going with bigger chunks and a nice coal bed what is the fixation on making stick sized wood shards in the dumbest way instead of just using sticks? It comes off as autistic cope for geartards looking for something to do.
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>>2709748
I would argue that a hatchet could spread butter
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>>2709769
You probably COULD, but at what cost?
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>>2709508
>deliberately misrepresenting the information given in an attempt to make the person look stupid
Knives are thin blades you retarded incel, they are not built with the thickness to stand up to being forced into wood, they are not tempered in the right way to stand up to being hammered into wood, and they are not the intended tool to be hammered into wood.
Just use the proper tool, it's not hard.
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Can I use a hammock as a fishing net? Should I use a hammock as a fishing net?
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>>2709791
Buttered kindling

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+5 points for unwashed wool Irish sweaters
+4 points for family heirlooms
+3 points for sweaters made by your mom
+2 points for alpaca and bison
+1 points for army surplus
0 points for blends
-1 point for scratchfags
-2 points for moth holes
-3 points for "I used to have.."
-4 points for cotton
-5 points for microplastic wardrobe

Tally up, /wg/.
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Imagine how traumatic it must be to have your entire warm and protective coat shaved completely off by some uncaring farmer.
I hope you guys think of that when you wear your bloodjackets.
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>>2709917
no ewe
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>>2709606
Why don't you go back to r/hiking
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>>2709917
>blood jacket
Extremely metal

Suck my cock, hippies
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>>2709587
The amount of seething that is created by simply stacking a few rocks is interesting. The egotistical rage from those having their larp of being the first person to set foot there shattered by a pile of rocks.
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>>2710030
Pioneer fantasy isn't the point, the point is nature is nice how it is without your jarring and poorly crafted monument to yourself.
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>>2710030
How are you gonna pin egotism on the people who want nobody to leave any evidence of their passage and not on the slobbering retards who can't stop themselves from unmistakably altering a place that exists specifically so everyone can enjoy and experience nature in its purest form? Why do they always have to stack rocks in public wilderness areas and not in their own backyard?
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>>2710030
yet it's only a fraction of the seethe generated when someone sees you knocking over the rocks
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>>2710035
>their own backyard
It's much harder for them to get a good angle on the rock stack when they take a picture for internet clout. If their house or apartment is in the background it significantly reduces their updoot profit.

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i'm going /out/ and popping some cans tomorrow. it's finally warm and nice, i don't have to walk through snow, and i have a couple days off.

what's your bb/pelled gun of choice? favorite cans to shoot (it does in fact matter)?
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>>2709913
Not OP, I have a 22. I have to drive to the range to shoot it. I can shoot my air rifle in my back yard. And as others have stated, cost, in ammo, maintenance and the air rifle itself.
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>>2710009
i am op. i also have a .22lr but i don't often use it because the rounds are so expensive to buy in any real quantity. 250rds of .22 is way, way more expensive that an equivalent amount of .177 or even .22 pelled
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>>2710051
I usually take mine out at least once a month. I have a 10/22 and a Savage MK2 in a Boyds at-1 stock. I usually shoot 100-200rounds per trip. I like CCI standard velocity 40gr. I buy bricks of 500 for $50. I can get loose Remington golden bullet a little cheaper. But they're not as consistent and I get more duds. And I won't touch Federal auto match. That stuff is garbage.
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>>2710055
CCI makes the best .22, next in line is Aguila. i like their super ultra turbo whatever copper plated hollowpoints, they cycle everything perfectly and i've never had any issues with them. they had a few failures to extract in the P17 i ran, but that's it. and it could well just be a florida man gun issue
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>>2710056
I like Aguila. The only problem is, it's much dirtier than CCI. And they're the same price. So, if it's available, I choose CCI. That said, Aguila is also my second choice. It's very consistant.

I Hear about this cool beach near me that has "singing sand" where the sand makes an interesting sound when you play with it. I look on how to get there. They charge $30 for parking and $10 per person to access. all the nearby beaches with no old boomer hag making you pay for parking and "walking fee" are resident only parking and cops prowl for any filthy out of towners and give out tickets. Don't you absolutely hate it when locals go out of their way to make public natural places like the ocean inaccessible to outsiders?
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>>2709094
Ask me how I know you're not white.
>>2709100
Ok Rabbi.
>>2709200
Ask me how I know you're not white.
>>2709321
I think 90% of America should be protected nature reserve and you morons should stick to your concrete prisons.
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>>2708982
And where would you get the land to enlarge the parking lots? Take it from people around you?
Being elected local mayor doesn't mean shit. Every little corner of the world is run by a little club, whether you see it or not, and if you're not in it, they have ways to make sure you can't do shit.
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>>2709834
paying for beach access parking is kinda cucked. most coloreds can pay like $10 or whatever for parking. i grew up with private (to the community) beaches in a community where my grandparents bought a cottage for $4k, that's now worth $400k and the neighbors' house sold for $1m and the1/2acre of undeveloped land next door sold for $325k. this is the real way to keep coloreds off the beach
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>>2708924
>No one, therefore, is forbidden to approach the seashore, provided that he respects habitations, monuments, and buildings which are not, like the sea, subject only to the law of nations.” The Justinian Code, 530 AD.

That shit is still true today and firmly established in American jurisprudence. No one can stop you from accessing the shore entirely. Go forward to the sea, anon. Let no one stop you from exercising your natural rights.
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>>2709094
A beach covered in footsteps to the point where it looks Iike it's been crazed by cattle Is a completely different experience to one without a single track, or maybe even just a few.

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Spill the beans on what first aid kit pouches do you use and what's inside?
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>>2678607
>all you fags creaming over larp gear such as CAT tqs, decomp needles and chest seals are fucking retarded, the probability of you gettin an injury that would require any of these rather expensive (and in the case of the decomp needle medical training) equipment is realistically nonexistent
Agreed. This is all the shit that goes in peli case/backpack that I mentioned in my last post.
Trained to use everything, never used everything but an inhaler, burn cream, SAM splint, a few bandages.
All that couldn't easily be improvised was the burn cream and inhaler.
In fact, if you don't have specific cream, the main thing to reduce pain is to keep air off it, so you can use whatever if you need to - vaseline, gladwrap, anything so long as it's not going to make it worse.
Oh even more controversial... usually someone has weed. I'd never recommend it to a customer, but on a few occasions a guide has hurt themselves and one of us has handed them a smoke and said basically "here's that weed you brought if you want to take the edge off" then it's up to them to decide. Wouldn't use if head injury or hypothermia were involved.
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>>2678152
moleskin for blisters is a must-have that many people forget.
Also:
>alcohol wipes
>bandaids
>water purification tablets
>matches in a waterproof container
>small fire starter
>compass
>whistle (I've thought about getting a mini airhorn instead idk)
>small flashlight
>emergency blanket
>emergency poncho
>pocketknife
>a few squares of toilet paper
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>>2678152
Don't bother bringing anything you don't know how to use or when to use it.
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i would gladly carry a first aid kit, but i have no training and don't want to be carrying potentially life-saving equipment around while being totally unable to use it past band-aids and gauze pads
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>>2709285
>other guides
Guiding people through the printer ink cartridges at Staples doesn't count anon

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I'm looking to get a new 65L pack and I'm stuck between pic related and one of the similar Gregory packs. I have a pro deal for 40% off both so not looking at any other brands. I've used Mystery Ranch before and been pretty happy with them but I've heard good things about Gregory. Also has anyone had experience with the warranty of either brand?
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I'd buy the Radix 57
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Don't buy Mystery Ranch. Their back system is dogshit.
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>>2709715
why?
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>>2709819
For some unexplainable reason they decided to design their back system in a way where part of weight is transferred from shoulders directly into your upper spine. The more you carry the more your spine gets compressed.
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>>2710054
>t. can't into anatomy
Opinion discarded

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>>2709929
I got em from Avid max, they were Pepsi supreme unpainted jig heads if I recall correctly.
I hate to say it but wooly buggers are the best fly to learn to tie as a beginner. They teach thread control, proportions, ribbing, counter ribbing, and if you stray from normal chenille theyll teach dubbing techniques, too.
Zebra midges are easy but also easy to fuck up, classic hair wing streamers are fun and I tied a lot of those as a newbie, and dry flies are cool but hackle is expensive. If you really want to tie dries, you can do almost all of them with grizzly, brown, and black, or some combination of them. Also if you get half capes they cost less and you'll find out what feathers you really use. No one beats Whiting farms dry fly hackle.
I learned to tie on youtube, watch people like Tightline productions, gunnar brammer, the feather bender, Kelly gallop, in the riffle, fly fish food, and countless others. Tie patterns that look fishy to you, and dont just watch the pattern, watch the technique.
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>>2709975
>Pepsi
Wapsi*
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>>2709680
They are mid. Soft flesh with a mild flavor that I personally do not really like. I don't dislike them, but I would target other fish to eat first if I could.
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The basic way of bleeding the fish is by cutting the aorta, right? You should always be able to cut the aorta without accidentally touching the heart if you cut directly behind the lower base of the hindmost gill, correct?
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>>2709975
I'm thinking about buying a fly rod for Driftless trout. My concern is not with rod itself; it's with how expensive the tackle will be. If I tie my own flies, there will be a massive upfront cost, and if I don't, I heat that can get expensive real quick.

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how much research is required to go on a backpacking trip? Can I just pack up some clothes and a tent and fuck off to another country for a few weeks and see what I can do? Any of you done this?

I planned my first hiking trip / vacation in New Mexico recently and want more /out/ but in another country. Don't get me wrong, I still want to experience the local food and culture, I'm not trying to get stranded in the wild here, but do I need to research and prepare for lodging the entire time or should I just wing it and stealth camp and shit?
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>>2709918
Spain and France are two first world places I've always wanted to visit, but I'm also interested in more rural places like Thailand, Nepal, Peru, really anywhere far away and unfamiliar to an American.

>>2709919
no to all of those. Week long trip to new mexico went well but it being so over-planned and including so much driving made it not feel particularly relaxing at all, plus its still in the US so it was rather expensive. I am capable of saving money but am not at all 'wealthy'
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>>2709923
Paris was the only city where I slept in a hostel because I absolutely couldn't afford a hotel room.

I highly recommend poorer countries in the eastern part of EU. It's going to be cheaper, and when you come back it's going to sound very cool "All of you losers go to France, I've been to a poor country!". Within EU, even poor countries are very safe, so you can go to creepy-ass places, take a lot of eerie photos of run-down buildings, and show to your friends "loooook I've been to all these very hipster places".

But yes, Spain and France and nice first-time choices, both countries have all the existing infrastructure you might need.

Regarding preparation... I think you should get an idea of:
1. What you want to see
2. How you want to travel

Renting a car might be a huge PITA, and there are stories of Americans getting lots of fines because they don't understand local traffic laws. Instead, I recommend trying out public transport, especially railway. With this in mind, I recommend doing research on how it works in general, don't be like "www.mostexpensivebusesforamericans.eu" but look up what bus/rail companies there are, how they operate, etc. The point is, get yourself used to the system before even using it. I understand that using public transport might feel like a downgrade, but on holiday it's kind of part of the adventure, and in Europe is really not bad, especially in more civilized areas, it's just a bit disorganized and sometimes info isn't available in English. And if there's no public transport, you can always take a cab once in a while.
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>>2709935
There are some rail stations that literally stop at the beginning of hiking trails, so you can sleep, take a train, hike, take a train back, sleep.

Once you get the grasp of the transport system, you can do a more "yolo" approach. Unless you're travelling to a popular destination, which you probably don't want anyway, there should always be some room available in some reasonable hotel and a way to GTFO. Don't take too much luggage, you can buy most shit locally. Just mind different outlet voltage (don't burn your laptop charger) and that some places have very restrictive shopping hours (like no shopping on Sunday) and make sure you have internet on your phone.

Try looking up cultural events that happen in different places, you might want to run into some of them.

Oh, Decathlon. It's a shop with sports equipment, which lies perfectly in the "cheap yet good" valley. You can buy a cheap tent there and dump it after your trip.

What I'm trying to say is that you want to gather as much knowledge as you can, and then do yolo approach, because then you will feel confident in your ability not to royally fuck up and you won't need five hours to figure out how to get to the other side of the city. I always do yolo but I also have some experience, but again, you can only gain experience by actually doing shit, so yeah. Europe in general is travelling on easy mode, minus the language barrier.

BTW I always cringe when I see someone trying to pay with dollars. Just don't do this.
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>>2709923
How much research is '''required''' to go on a backpacking trip? Pretty much none.
When I was 17 I spent a year backpacking from London to Bangkok and my research before I left essentially went no further than googling "best season to visit X" and trying to line up the countries I was visiting in approximately the right order. I had a bunch of pirated Lonely Planet guides and the like on my laptop and I'd plan things out for whatever country I was visiting next when I had downtime on a train or sitting around a hostel bar or whatever. The only times my trip was more structured was when I had my girlfriend or some mates coming out to join me for a bit.
These days I tend to do more research before my trips but it's definitely not required.

Be aware though, backpacking in Asia and South America (and to some extent in Europe too) has different connotations to backpacking in the US. Someone says they're backpacking in California or Washington and you assume they're going hiking, sleeping a tent, etc. Someone says they're backpacking pretty much anywhere else in the world and the assumption will be that they're travelling by bus/train, staying in hostels/tea houses, etc (at least for a solid portion, if not all, of the trip).
Hiking between refugios in the Alps, going teahouse trekking in Nepal or cycling through Vietnam are still /out/ but they're a different sort of /out/ to backcountry backpacking in the US.
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>>2710047
>>2709906
>should I just wing it and stealth camp and shit?
That can work in Europe but you're not going to have much luck stealth camping through most of Asia; too densely populated, the population distribution (and distribution of what you'd want to see as a visitor) isn't well-suited to it, and locals won't be very supportive of some "rich Westerner" setting up camp like a hobo rather than contributing to their economy. It's a bad look when the average wage is $500/month and a room in a guesthouse would only cost you $10/night.
An exception would be Mongolia and the 'Stans. Those countries do have some proper wilderness that you could camp in without trouble but you'll need a vehicle.
>do I need to research and prepare for lodging the entire time
Also no. Maybe in particular areas or if you're travelling in peak seasons.
Often enough I'll find myself booking accommodation the night before I arrive in a town or I'll just arrive in a village and start knocking on guesthouse doors. It's a trade-off, you might not be able to get a bed in the top-rated guesthouse but you're not tied to some preexisting timetable so you can adjust your plans freely if you hear of something cool happening in the next village over.

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What type of camper are you?
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>>2705616
:3
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>>2709785
Looking back it was probably unclear why I said that. It's not anything against officers, I wore it for a long time. Really I just hate the flight caps in general. Typically when on the road I just wore a ball cap on the jet, and went without a cover to the hotel. Glad you boys are having fun, just a personal greivance. What does your friend like about them that makes him want to take it out camping?
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>>2709868
The cap actually belongs to me, my friend took the picture. It’s a couple things, 1) I saw a single picture of a non pilot/ non rescue officer attached to a rescue unit in vietnam and he wore the cap with ERDL’s and I thought it looked cool
2) I never wanted to be in the AF or in maintenance. But money and contracts kept me out of the infantry I fell in love with when I went to an SMC. So I like to wear it when I’m trying to stay sharp as a reminder that there’s supposed to be more to being an officer than spreadsheets and meetings
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>>2709909
I see, part style part talisman. Are you in Appalachia?
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>>2709931
Originally, but not now. I took a week of leave en route after completing amoc a couple months ago to go larp with my buddy in the Corps. So these pictures come from that in the Pisgah. I get my shooting in where I can now that I’m stationed in Europe

>dry
>lots of sunny days
>quaint shade trees
>clear water streams
>hot weather
>low tourism and human footprint
>has to be pretty first world

Dont want to spill the beans but its just “peak Earth” if im going to be honest, there sinply is no other places that compete naturally.

I was looking into Arizona but seems like the over tourism shit and over population from Phoenix area has ruined any prospect of that area.

Was thinking Spain or Oman are the only places I can think of.
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>>2705500
Nevada.
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>>2705500
Pick any desert in the american southwest and make sure you go during the winter months, you're sure to find streams and maybe even some rivers.
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Southern Arizona is like that but the streams are mostly only full during the summer.
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>>2705500
Literally Australia
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