What is the most hardcore hobby and why is it cave diving?
>>2855501Literally what the fuck is in there
>>2855863>Wingsuit base jumping:Soar like an eagle, amazing views, and if you must splatter across a mountainside so be it >Cave diving:Slowly swim your way into a miserable, lightless, watery rectum and just fucking die
>>2857915I mean the goal is to be able to swim back out
>>2855410>not take shit seriously, you die which encompasses a lot of overhead diving anyway (decompression diving, wreck diving etcThis is why I’m not particularly into driving. I want to just swim about and look at things. O2 toxicity, N2 toxicity, decompression. I wish the body was built to handle it. Shame I can’t spontaneously go for a day out in the Norwegian trench and go poke about in some sunk ship or look at the marine life.Hope some does some genetic engineering gets done and we can accomplish that with free diving. I’ve the same sentiment on recreational aircraft.
I'm going to be honest here. Cave diving is absolute retardó tier. The goal of /out/ is to have fun and come back home. Not to die drowning in a cave. Is stupid.
>no bugs>no overheating>air feels fresh>no bugs (again, this is a big one)>less likely to stumble upon someone>can cook up water from snow>cold makes you consume more calories = more appetite = food tastes better>building a cozy shelter>being cold and warming up is a good feeling in contrast to scorching swamp ass-conditions>clothes don't get dirty from mud, etcOnly late autumn is a worthy contender, in my opinion.Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwNpuaKSknY
September and October are GOATedYou can do all the summer activities with less humidity and fewer bugsCrowds are smaller except during peak foliageDriving to /out/ locations is more tolerable than during the subsequent deer rut and winter seasonAnd I'm usually in peak physical condition after riding my ass off all summerLabor Day through Halloween is "harvest season" for me as I reap the rewards of my summertime cycling and mountain biking
DWR is truly the devils workIt works fine and dandy out of factory, but god forbid you get stains or perfume on it, and then its basically ruined forever. Bonus: f your dryer do not get hot enough, it can't activate the coating. If its hot enough, there is a good chance its going to ruin the outwear, ideally by melting seams. What you bought a fancy 3 layer jacket? Congratulations, its only DWR on the shell, meaning its not a musky and sweaty jacket after treatment the 2 liners will now trap moisture.
>>2860619go with 100% mink oil, its hard to find but is the best
This didn’t work for my shitty orvis coat. Thing was barely water proof to begin with then I used dwr and it’s just as shitty as before.
my friend is backpacking in the grand canyon this march and asked last minute if I wanted to comebackcountry permits for this mach closed alreadydo they even check for those in the park??I hiked the high sierra trail in sequoia national park and no one ever asked for my permit, even as I was going down to the mount whitney trailheadshould I just risk it?are they more likely to check for permits in the grand canyon?also, if they do, if I just told them an animal ran off with it or something, would they let me off the hook?
If your friend has a permit I think they can just add you.I have seen rangers on a couple of my hikes in the grand canyon on the popular trails (bright angel and kaibab), I think in those areas if you're camping you have to stay at one of the designated campsites anyway though and pretty sure you have to check in at those. anywhere else more remote with dispersed camping I doubt you'll see a ranger unless you're unlucky
>>2858019Backcountry permits aren't a thing. Laws can only be made on what can be enforced. Backcountry permits cannot be successfully enforced.
>>2858019They can just add you assuming you havent met an upper limit on number of people in a group. I would say you are more likely to run into a ranger in the busier parts of the grand canyon like than on the HST in sequoia. If you risk it and do run into a ranger, whether they let it slide will depend mostly on your manners and if you are breaking other rules. Saying an animal stole it is like saying a dog ate your homework and will just piss them off. They also can easily check with the permit office over radio or even have printouts of all the permit holders in the area they patrol, so dont lie to them. t. forest janny who has worked checking backcountry permits on the HST
>>2858050You have to be >16 to post on 4chan.
>>2858179Not a rebuttal lol.
#532- “topless” EditionPrevious Thread:>>2850406janny pls…Thinking about picking up a new hobby? Want to get a memecaster? Haven't mastered the Palomar knot? Click here!http://www.pastebin.com/u/fishingandtacklehttps://imgur.com/a/1Xw3NNew Bong Fishin Guidehttps://pastebin.com/sDB5SQTqFirst for best telescopic rod is the one you exchanged for a 3pc.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Why is it impossible to buy fishing shit off boomers? This guy is advertising a boat I tell him if everything is like he says I’ll buy it for what he’s asking. Now he’s giving me the run around saying he can’t meet me and then he said he will have to shovel his garage out because it’s in there and he also has other people who also want to look at it. Does he not want cash why do they act like this?
>>2860495i get a full rundown from my boomer parents whenever they sell stuff on marketplace about how awful it is to be either party in those types of arrangements. the run around is universal and not just boomers>>2860472he/she (big belly so thinking eggs in there, idk if someone here can identify fish by the cloaca) fought like a champion i didnt know if my rod was gonna have it in it.got some ok perch today too nothing fancy they dont get too big in this lake but ill take a snacc
>>2860508>>2860508>>2860508new thread
>>2859931>pink insulationLmfao!
fuckin tight
I don't get it. Why do companies make shit like this?>10 fucking pounds>massive, requires own backpack or carry handle>as expensive than a premium 2-4 person tent>bivvy styleI don't get it. You can't backpack with this shit unless you sled or horse in, but if you did why the fuck would you do a bivvy style thing of all shit that costs as much as a good tent with half the space. Car camping you can also just bring a nice larger comfy tent and cheaper probably. there's no market for this shit yet I keep seeing it shilled year after year on youtube.
>>2860165It's for camping not backpacking, in which you drive to the campsite.
>>2860198>Post your use casesomeone wants to.there, that's the use case shitbrain.
>>2860165> Why do companies make shit like this?Eco friendly materialsHigh quality canvas will last you easily 4-5+ decades if taken care ofExtremely sturdy, can be used on tops of mountains and in wind country like WyomingIn winter smaller spaces are better. It's likely an oven inside there if done correctlyPlenty of head space unlike normal bivvy, also they make a canvas rollup for your boots/backpack to store safely and dry at night next to it.
Because the majority of outdoor equipment is sold to people who barely go outside and have no idea the difference as long as it looks cool and will impress people and make them look the part. How do you think rei stays in business?
>>2860165non-meme answer: it's for car camping you retards, or more accurately truck bed camping
i want to do hardcore survival like the guy from outdoor boys but dont wanna get killed by bears while sleeping how do i do this? electric fence is not an option
>>2860329G U N. Also bears will never bother you either, unless: You got open food, are near mamma's cubs, bad food season and bear is hungry.Dont be a pussy. Just go camping. Also if you're in bear country, bring bear bags and tie up away from your camp. Don't leave food scraps out. Keep all food tightly sealed in plastic bags+ whatever container you have.
>>2860363To expand on this. You want to do "hardcore" camp stuff but are too afraid of nature? My guess is you don't go /out/ at all and have little to no experience.You need to have at least a little bit of knowledge, or your videos are gonna suck ass. No one will want to watch if you don't have interesting tidbits of survival or bushcraft knowledge.
>>2860329Lmao OP deleted his picture and not his thread.
Since I think all y'all would be the most mature and knowledgable board about this:I need to settle this debate for our families emergency kits when a snowstorm or power outage hits. (I checked for a stupid questions thread but there wasn't any) I am arguing in favor of getting two butane gas stoves/burners for general use, see picrelThe reason for this is that I want to be able to cook indoors for obvious security reasons. We all live in the same, but pretty cramped subdivision, and everyone can look into eachothers front and back yards.However, my brother is having a mental breakdown how carbon dioxide will kill us if we'd cook indoors without mechanical ventilation or a range hood after a power outage. Regardless of cracking a window or two.For indoor use I would prefer to use one of those flat stoves rather than something tall like those stoves that you screw on top of a canister, due to its much higher center of gravity. I know there are some safety concerns with those flat stoves, but to my knowledge that is caused by using pots or pans on the stove that are way too large, reflecting and conducting a lot of heat back down to where the gas canister is, causing it to burst under pressure, and the gas igniting from the lit burner, causing a nice thermobaric effect I suppose.Let's focus the discussion purely using a propane (butane too I guess) stove indoors in an emergency with regard to breathing safety.Are there any risks if you just cook in one room upstairs with the window(s) open?Do the risks outweigh the safety/security offered by cooking indoors to your opinion?
>>2857068>>2857068Yeah gas stoves are common in kitchens here with either a connection to gas mains or dual 45kg LPG tanks.CO2 would only be an issue if you were using it to try and heat a room like a retard. That said there are health concerns with gas stoves relating to their carcinogenic effects (even when turned off) so you ideally want use it in a well-ventilated/large room, but for limited-use emergency situations that concern would be both negligible and not the primary issue at hand.I actually used the same model as OPs photo a few days ago to cook oats late at night when I didn't want to make noise in the kitchen while family was sleeping. They're small enough to easilly store, large enough for proper pots and pans and the gas cannisters are cheap and widely available. You could do a lot worse for emergency cooking prepardeness.
>>2855206>Having proper ventilation indoorsDoes this apply to anyone with a gas range?
>>2855205>I am arguing in favor ofWent thru at least 10 winter blackouts during heavy snow. One lasted 7 days. I have a butane catering stove like pic. Only have it because I got it at a yard sale cheap with fuel. It works well but... Main stove is a Coleman 2-burner propane camp stove. Also have a Coleman oven to use with it. Have cooked entire meals with it during blackouts as well as baked and made waffles with camping iron. You can cook on it like a full size stove, plenty of room even with a large skillet. Also, propane is easy to find. Markets, hardware stores, etc. Butane cans might not be. Butane also about same price as propane 1 lb. but less BTU so you use more to do same work. As far as fumes? No different than having a gas range in your kitchen. Houses not hermetically sealed and never has our CO detector gone off during meal prep. Stove on only while you are cooking, not long enough for appreciable levels of CO to stack. Look on craigslist or facebook marketplace. Always one for sale cheap. Get the newest looking and cleanest condition one you can find. Be sure to have seller demonstrate that it works too.
>>2859519>Your brother and most of these replies are retarded.Fact
>>2855693>Where my naptha niggas at?Holocaust equivalent of stoves used indoors.
I love extreme sports and orienteering but I also love gardening. I saw this doc on extreme gardening and want to get involved. Anybody do this? Apparently it started in Norway:https://youtu.be/-JaxFQR0V7c?si=5iqD3rA3mCg9B5no
>>2858122"oh you wanna be a bitch you fucking habanero whore??"shoves it into the oven whole. yeah fuck you and your lice.i can get very very angry at plants. ironically the Carolina reaper ive chokeslammed last year went on the be the best plant.
>>2858104a lot of cityfags did guerrilla gardenening in the 2010s when i lived around such foul places.it was kinda based though. one dude even planted weed everywhere that was fun.i am growing veggies and weed both in and outdoors and i feel like indoor stuff is much harder. if thats "extreme" enough for you.
>>2858145>Carolina reaperI love these fucking peppers, although I also like the fruity taste that ghost peppers have despite being less hot
>>2858274For me, it’s Trinidad Scorpion.
>>2858104>doc on extreme gardeningHorrifying to watch. Any interest in topic quashed by that vid.
Which is more difficult, bowhunting with dogs, or crossbow hunting without dogs?
>>2860322no, this is about different approaches to hunting
'Sup /out/. I've got some yard projects I want to do this spring that I'll need to mix some cement for, problem is my only mode of transportation is my bike (It's so over for suspendedlicensecels) and the smallest bag of pure cement the nearest hardware store sells is 45lbs. So, any of you guys have experience carrying heavy shit on a Bike? Also general bike hauling thread. My main bike is a pretty sturdy steel no-name step-through with a sturdy rear rack, but I've got no clue how to attach it without tearingtheskin of the thin paper bag, I also have some old retail store bikes I could chop into a trailer.
>>2859807It was just the clearest picture with kids packed in it.Those trailers have been in use for decades before e-bikes existed.
>>2859860Clever, it's probably easier to balance two bags against eachother than try and keep it upright the entire trip back. What kind of rope/ratchet straps did you use to sling things onto the bike?
>>2859742I don't think 45lbs is too much for a good rack, I know that mounted correctly the cheapo sunlites will do 40-50lbs without an issue. That said I think your issue is going to be density. That's just a lot of weight in a small size and unless your frame is set up for it it's going to be fairly high up. Not impossible though.Weight is usually easier to carry on the front and that's how you will see a lot of big cargo bikes and stuff like the cargo forks set up. Trailer would also be a good idea since the weight will be much lower. Even if you found one for kids/dogs 45lbs is well within their official weight limits. I think for your purposes if not doing anything else, get a tupperware bin or similar, a couple of bolts and fender washers and attach a tub directly to the rack. That will keep the bag from getting shredded by straps or whatever. But I would be very cautious about turns and hills with that weight over the back wheel.I am also going through similar not out of the same need but financial. I have the municipal dump that offers a free scrap yard, free mulch, and free soil if I can get to it just about a mile away. I hope acquire a bike trailer so I can get those yard supplies for free, even it's one or two containers a day. I work from home so it would be trivial to have the bike ready to rock over lunch, bounce over with a shovel, and dump it where it needs to be in the yard.
>>2859939Rope worked for me, but straps would be easier. Just remember to put cardboard or something over the frame if you don't want to scratch up the paint, straps can damage the clearcoat with enough rubbing.
>>2859742Milk crate zip tied to the rack does wonders. I have hauled a 37lbs propane tank on a short but very rough & bumpy gravel trail on a cheap rear rack in this fashion. Use half-decent zip ties, at least 8 of them, in alternating angles.However in your situation I'd think it's worth it to put a trailer on. carry way more with way less risk.also /n/ is better for this specific query, more of the bike nerds are there. but bikes fit here too
I’ve recently read South by Ernest Shackleton and Entangled Life by Merlin Sheldrake and I’ve enjoyed the contrast between both of these books.The latter is about how powerful and useful the humble mushroom is to both humans and animals and the former is about a captain and his mates defying the odds of being shipwrecked in the Antarctic and doing whatever is necessary to survive in an ice desert and save his crew mates.This has enabled me to appreciate the duality of the natural world more and would like to delve further if you have any recommendation. Thank you :)
>>2859825>Man vs Nature trope..how about "man as a humble part of the infinite web of nature" and not "christ-chuds trying to dominate and failing every time"
This one.
>>2859838>"christ-chuds trying to dominate and failing every time"You are misinformed. Christian theology teaches stewardship of nature, not domination like a tyrant.When people try to "dominate" nature, it is because of their own vice, such as corporate greed.
is Arcteryx a poser brand? what are some tr00 kvlt core dirtbagging brands?
>>2856345Tbh it's just incoherent babble.
Never heard of em till i did a job in Boulder. Overpriced.
>>2857619Boulder is a funny place. Most of the hippies end up being millionaires
>>2857625Then they aren't hippies tebelebedesu
>>2855627What the actual fuck does that sentence mean?
Starting with Death Stranding (didn't play the second one yet)
>>2859747Cairn is tight. Can't wait to get home and play it some more
You should try Infrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7-ywVUx-kU
>>2859747finished it yesterday, probably the best climbing game so far. it does get the feeling of climbing across pretty well, how you slowly inch yourself upwards while always at the risk of falling. story is alright, it gets the ethos of mountaineering across which was nice to see
Has anyone played Green Hell?
>>2860222i have, it's not as fun as the long dark for me, but it's quite enjoyable for a while.kinda tedious to pick leeches off you constantly though.
I want to quit society and live out in nature.Where can I do this, and how should I prepare?
>>2857045>You can really just disappear here in AK if you want.Is this true?
>>2858136Yeah. You gotta know what you're doing (>>2857044), but really if you're in one of those remote areas and keep to yourself enough you can never be heard from again if you don't want to. For example, my ex's dad owns a house in a place called Beluga. Super tiny village owned by an electric company. No access to state roads, so the only way to get there is by plane. Passenger boats don't really go there, just barges. There's some native village half an hour to the south, but to the east is the ocean and to the west is the wild Alaskan interior. The only real landmark for miles is a volcano, and because the guys in the native village are famously drunken and retarded you can just fuck off into the woods and they will probably never find you unless you try to be found. If one worries about law enforcement, the Alaska State Troopers usually will not go to a village unless there's a rape, murder, or act of mass destruction, and if there's no VPSO there won't be law enforcement of any kind. On top of that, most VPSOs are inbred, illiterate, and either scrawny or obese, so even if you go to a community with one you probably don't have to worry. A small handful of these guys (the ones not born in their respective villages) are pretty sharp and bother training and working out, but they're still almost all unarmed so still few worries.
>>2838506There's a guy named ForestAnon who lived in the high desert and built a shelter out of Douglas Fir trees. Look him up on YouTube
>>2839664I think I'm destined to be a flea, not because I want to.
>>2859622Should I read the Aesops?
