is the hiking to mountaineering pipeline or the climbing to mountaineering pipeline more common?
>>2852304why not both? my goal currently is to get into mountaineering and i do this through hiking, where i have ascended two smallish peaks more or less accidently, which left such a big impression on me that i am hooked. none of those peaks where in my home country though. so now, bouldering is a way for me to develop skills for future ascends. mountaineering essentially is a mix of both hiking and climbing anyway.
It's depends on the "kind" of mountaineering. There's a large amount of "mountaineering" that doesn't involve "climbing on rock or ice" in the strictest sense of class 5 routes needing trad gear or ice pro, but still involves technical roped glacier travel. There's also a large amount of "climbing" which doesn't involve "mountains" (or even the outdoors for that matter). I think what makes the difference between "hiking or scrambling" and "mountaineering" in most people's minds, though, is whether the route is at least in some way "technical". In this sense, rock climbers often have an advantage because they understand technical rope systems and protection, are often more comfortable with exposure, etc. All a climber has to do to be "mountaineering" is be climbing a route to the summit of a mountain. Conversely, when a hike becomes a mountaineering objective can be a bit fuzzier. I've heard some people say it's "big glaciated peaks" that makes it mountaineering. I've heard some say it's any time any sort of "protection" comes out, even if that's just an ice axe. So some would say scrambling isn't mountaineering because there's no protection involved . But ironically, the American Alpine Club doesn't recognize scrambling as distinct from climbing at all, and in their yearly Journal of Climbing Accidents they list the "secondary cause" for all scrambling-related accidents as "Free-Soloing" since they just see it as a form of unroped climbing (Anton Chigura: "which it is"). There's also a healthy pipeline from backcountry skier/split-boarder to mountaineer, FWIW.Mountaineering tends to be very outdoor interdisciplinary. In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgame.
I do feel like there's some kind of split between climbing and mountaineering bros on one side, and hiking, trail running and thruhiking on the other. The former is a "sportier" approach to the outdoors and the latter is more "wow nature is so amazing" hippie/naturalist type. Ironically, a lot of ultralight hiking tech was invented by the same guy who invented cams.I feel like there are a lot more hikers than climbers, so by that virtue alone there are more hiker/mountaineers, but I'm a hiker/casual mountaineer so I'm a bit biased. I've heared bouldering and sport climbing is very popular these days.
>>2852304Probably hiking to mountaineering. I've seen more people go from mountaineering to rock climbing than the other way around. >>2852363>In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgameIt would be cool to see an /out/ skill tree diagram showing the different paths you could take. Like hiking to backpacking to winter backpacking to mountaineering. Or hiking to scrambling to rock climbing to mountaineering. The hiking to mountain biking pipeline is also big.
>>2852399The anything to mountain biking pipeline is big because boomers and millennials went nuts with mountain bikes during COVID even though they were supposed to be "staying home". Remember Year of the Bike and all that?
>>2848354What does this mean?
>>2843535Bullshit. Noone ties knot at the end what f the rope when reppeling.They all do roels by sections and use the correct length of rope.He must have used the wrong rope.
>>2843514Fifteen years ago you couldn't get service on much of Kilimanjaro but the summit had pretty good service. Guess the towers down in Moshi were a direct line of sight up there.
>>2843774but you dont understand 4chinz is my seekret hyperborea cuddlebox :(((
>>2852328modern 4chan users fomo so hard about missing 4chan at it's prime they'll double down on shit we said 10 years ago as if it's still relevant in modern day because some faggot on twitter said so
Why haven't you gone winter camping yet this season /out/?What, are you scared of a little cold?
I'm thinking about doing a local trail (the last 1000ft or so are well snowed in at this point) I regularly do as a day hike, but as an overnight. There's some cool hikes in the vicinity I could do morning of day 2 too. But I've never been snow camping and I have one of those non-free standing tents. I hear they can work ok though. Do I need to do anything special beyond packing warmer clothes and a warmer sleeping bag? My quilt is 20 degrees but it might dip a little below that, will wearing my belay parka be enough to make the difference? Or is it smarter to use it as a blanket? (Yes, I am scared of a little cold)
>>2852266Long, warm underwear is usually the best for sleeping in quilts/sleeping bags.And you'll need a decent air mattress. Nothing's worse than having to sleep on a cold ground.
>>2848380I live in Florida, so winter is my favorite time of year to camp.
>>2852247Spoken like someone that has no money.
>>2848380there is no point in responding to any of your threads because you view anyone that even disagrees with you slightly as seethe.
Post your /out/ edc kit.Just pretend the sleeping bag is a hammock and this is mine
link just in case https://innawoods.net
isn't this more of a /k/ thing?
Some examples of living The Barefoot Life: -Practicing movement in bare feet (walking, running, crawling, climbing, kicking, lifting, carrying etc.) in a variety of environments -Wearing shoes/orthotics as much as needed to manage load while gradually transitioning to more minimalist footwear and barefoot activities -Growing your own food - either at home or in a community setting -Prioritising recovery and sleep after lots of movement and skill learning -Spending time experiencing and appreciating nature -Active meditation through mindful movement or breath work e.g. beam challenges, box breathing -Walking to a farmers market to connect with the people who grow your food -Creating and using designated movement spaces at home/work/school -Deliberate exposure to discomfort e.g. hot/cold, fasting, ground sitting/sleeping/movement, learning new skills etc. -Spending quality in-person time connecting with friends/family and your broader community
>>2849777I think women should have to wash my bare feet with their hair.
>>2849510https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0003.html>“Now this, monks, is the noble truth of stress: Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, and despair are stressful; association with the unbeloved is stressful, separation from the loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging aggregates are stressful.>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming, accompanied by passion and delight, relishing now here and now there, i.e., craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Contents.html>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading and cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, and letting go of that very craving."The unfabricated, the end,the effluent-less, the true, the beyond,the subtle, the very-hard-to-see,the ageless, permanence, the undecaying,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2849510OP here, here's my feet
>>2849510Barefoot - hippy left wing neoliberal idiotic thend.Look he was also walking barefoot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSXzt81CAQ
>>2852251i dont live in africa lol
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Do you bushcraft when you're /out/?
People who litter in the trees are scum.People who make cairns and "develop" the woodland are a sickening human virus on the land.People who build a small personal shelter and do some respectful bushcrafting are alright.
>>2849030>>2851966Post hand is a glowie tactic to get people to leak personal information (freckles/scars, body size, writing style, stuff in the background, etc.). Only fools fall for that.
>>2852026This is an actual war crime, by the way. Not just some little misdemeanor. If you get caught you are gonna do hard time in a federal 'pound me in the ass' prison.
>>2849126in the same sense that not shoplifting is cuckoldry applied to mom and pop antique stores maybe
>>2846366>Do you LARP as a trapper?
>My parents are pretty lenient with me when it comes to chores.>Wash my own dishes, put my cloths in the washing machine and that’s about it.>They even fold them for me.>An apology for being too rough with me as a kid I think.>But there is still one chore I do anally, and even if they offered too do it for me I’d still do it myself.>Every year on the first snowfall my trampoline must be taken down. The constant weight of the snow will cause it to stretch and warp otherwise.>If I don’t the cloth will stretch causing it to loose tension and you’ll have to work harder to jump and it won’t be nearly as satisfying to use. A while of that and you need to buy a new net and springs, years of neglect the frame will buckle and you just have to get a whole new trampoline at that point.>When I was a kid my trampoline was my safe space, if my parents were being hard on me or school was stressing me out I’d just climb on in and get lost in my imagination. The weight on my shoulders disappearing in the momentary weightlessness of zero g.>I’d imagine fantasy worlds with wacky characters and if I was angry I’d imagine those characters tearing people apart until the anger brought me to tears or mental exhaustion.>My therapists at the time told my parents that they shouldn’t bother me or attempt to “correct my behavior” while I use it and that its healthy for kids to have a private safe space. To their credit they didn’t.> I’m in my early 20’s now and I’ve never grown out of the thing, it is still my safe space, a place for me to unwind, and now that I think about it my sole source of exercise.>Today is the first snow of winter.
>>2852164 #That's the perfect use case for one of those really shitty ones. Some of my neighbors when I was a kid also had trampolines and they would sag after a year of light use, like what's even the point if you're spending less than a few thousand on a trampoline you're throwing.
>>2852131>But there is still one chore I do anally, and even if they offered too do it for me I’d still do it myself.
>>2852131>Trampoline>TrampIt used to be called a JUMPoline until your mom jumped on it.
i’m sorry for your loss op. maybe you could go to a trampoline park? if you go during a school day it should be relatively quiet
>>2852263Still feels weird. It will probably be full of preschool kids and being an adult in anny setting where kids could be freaks me out. I hate kids. A friend advised that I go to a gymnastics place but I can't imagine sharing my safe space with strangers dedicated to mastering a craft.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/climbing-influencer-dies-live-streaming-140845585.htmlAnybody got the vid
>>2843815Do climbers just leave their gear up there? I never thought about it before but obviously he isn't getting it back down
>>2843789>>2843786>amateurishMany experienced climbers don't bother tying knots at the ends of their ropes when abseiling because they know (or think they know) the rope is long enough.They know they should tie knots, but they don't bother out of laziness or convenience. It's not really a sign of amateurishness.>>2850204No. Usually there is an established anchor up there, like a tree with slings around it, or a proper drilled metal bolt with a metal loop for your rope. For abseiling the rope is doubled and you descend on two strands of the rope. When you are down you can pull on one of the strands and the whole rope comes down. There are also some setups that allow you to create a temporary anchor that comes down with the rope when you pull on a third separate strand or pull on the main rope a few times in a certain way.
>>2843815HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD
>>2850218>>2844155falsehoods, don't know what they're talking about>>2843779>>2843789>>2843798the ring of truth
>>2844157These guys have gotten pretty solid sponsorships . Just by looking at the brands the movie starts and ends with.I think they have done it not in an alpine style ascend, haven't they?
What animal makes a very loud scraping sound?I like to hike in the woods at night and I don't follow a trail and I have never seen another person before so I think it was an animalChatgpt says it could have been a deer scratching it's antlers but watching a video it doesn't sound like what I heard at all, it sounded more like metal being dragged across concreteIt was loud AF and repeat a few times before it stopped tooI didn't see anything because i keep my phone in my pocket in case I get hurt and just use my night vision to get around but that only lets me see so farI've been doing this for over a year but I've never heard anything like that beforeI'm in Europe BTW
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>>2851290metallic scraping noises are often associated with paranormal phenomena
>>2851290Picrel, obviously...There's no other explanation.>I'm in Europe BTWAh, yes, the great country of Yurop.It's not like there are different species across the continent.
>>2851290I often hear noises like that too, due to my location there is 0% chance of bear. I usually suspect it's a rat or badger, or something. It can get kinda annoying and keep me awake
>>2851352My guess is that you heard a red stag roar.
Religious Utah MORMON father charged with TORTURE and child abuse for taking his little kids on a way-too-hard hike:https://archive.is/lPaquthe trail in question where he was found with his 8 year old daughter, and 2 and 4 year old son:https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/utah/broads-fork-trailIt's 2000 ft of elevation gain over 2.2~ mi each way so pretty steep. Initially, some news reports hailed the rescue and the father’s efforts to keep the children alive in unforgiving conditions. There was even a GoFundMe fund-raiser, where Mr. Smith was said to have suffered frostbite in trying to keep the children safe, The Salt Lake Tribune reported.Two of the children were in critical condition after they were found, the sheriff’s office said after the rescue, and one was in stable condition. Mr. Smith was in fair condition, the statement said.District Attorney Sim Gill of Salt Lake City said during a news conference that the children were told to “march on” despite being afraid and that the path Mr. Smith took, known as the Broad Fork Trail, was “not an easy hike that you would take a child upon.”Mr. Gill also said that the children discussed climbing over “rocks that were slipping” and having to hold onto vegetation as they were trying to hike.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2852068>She said Smith insisted it was a “once-in-a-lifetime” experience and blocked her from going back down the trail, allegedly telling her, “You shall not pass.”fucking millennials, jesus christ
>>2852068>The daughter told investigators she begged her father multiple times to turn back as the storm intensified, but he refused.Fucking Americans.
>>2852069That sounds like he was trying to suicide his kids in the mountains with him
>>2852171one is still in the hospital, other two are ok I think
>>2852194>americanHes a Mormon.Its a cult.Americans will admit that some nigger gang banger in South central L.A. is an american but nobody claims Mormons.
This is literally the most gun that anyone needs in the woods, unless you’re in bear country. Even then, if you can aim then you’ll be fine.
>>2833152>>2833171Man why are you such a fag though? Bear spray is undoubtedly effective but guns are cool. I just have both in bear country desu.
>>2851784>not sure i'd be able to draw and accurately hit a bear You dont stop when it has you on the ground.You mag dump into its chest at 6"
>>2851252>designer loved his gun so much that he vowed to teach it how to fly....
>>2850981Extremely lucky shot to the ear canal.Has happened exactly one (1) time in all of recorded history.
>>2849722You have it broken down and stored in your pack inconspicuously while traveling, parking at the trailhead, checking into your hotel etc.
Discuss /out/tubers here.
Ever wondered if a lifestraw actually works?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4ido-pGUfE
Photo bread. Previous: >>2829058Fall colors at the San Pedro River on Thanksgiving.
The Whetstones as seen from near the San Pedro.
