Looking for places in Colorado, Wyoming, Montana, Utah, or Idaho.I just graduated and am looking for some places to go backpacking for 3-7 days. Any local anons have recommendations?
>>2868128Those two spots in particular are as crowded as the places people are ironically recommending, they are pretty great though. I haven't been beyond those two areas in the Winds but I'm sure it's probably just as nice and without the people.Backpacking in Yellowstone can actually get you pretty remote, especially on the Eastern edge of the park as you get into the Absarokas, which are as remote as it gets in the lower 48, very dense grizzly territory though. I haven't been personally, the bears scare me. The Bechler area is also good though, not quite as remote, lots of cool waterfalls. Glacier is great for backpacking also, gets you away from most of the crowds there while still having the same spectacular scenery. In Grand Teton it's harder to escape the crowds since it's smaller and all day-hikeable, and the Teton Crest is extremely popular for backpacking especially since it's doable without a permit.Anyway, I prefer backpacking in canyons in southern Utah personally.
>>2868165>Those two spots in particular are as crowded as the places people are ironically recommending, they are pretty great though.Yes their popularity is why I recommended them. I imagine if OP was prepared for a more serious remote undertaking he wouldn't be asking on /out/ and instead looking at maps making up his own route.
uintasWind riversSawtoothsTetonsDo NOT go to yellowstone, worse than all 4 i just mentioned
>>2868213I don't know how I know this but you're some sort of uber goober. Grand Teton and Yellowstone are great.
>>2868216I dont know how i know this, but you cant read. Grand teton is on my list and is my favorite np. Yellowstone is crowded and requires far too much overhead and logistics management only to not be better than the other places i listed for backpacking
Leave home for Navy. Return to home town. Go to river where I fished since 10yrs old.Woods gone, condos, strip mall and restaurants replace then.Find moss covered rock i use to sit on, now spray painted artwork project. Sit and wonder why?
>>2867979Now here's a man I can respect
>>2864597>Sit and wonder why?Boomers and Jews. All bad news.
>my town doesnt have my consent to change!>it and the people in it need to stay the same forever so that my vibes are not harshed!
>>2868055Yeah, destroying nature for development is based and cool.
>>2868197>tha vacant lot near muh house is nature!zoomies were a mistake.
Albums that either evoke imagery of being in nature or are well suited for an /out/ing. I'll start: Fishmans - Long Season (1996)
>>2867595Based Fief listener. Dodecahedronous Questing is one of my favorite songs for driving, tooGot to see Wraith King and Mortiis recently, was a good show
>>2863944https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSg6zob-XZM
>>2863944https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpnSNRvG6rw
>>2863944Bushwhackers band without any doubt.Most albums are good, but "Murrumbidgee" holds a special place for me when out bush.'Billy of Tea' when you're by the fire sippin some brew. Or 'When the Rain Tumbles Down in July' whilst you're going through muddy fern filled rainforest, is absolutely fucken incredible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=im8Pu_VJVQA&list=PLpuWlSXIKen2USAJmyup_M0VDpaIFr0Y-
Shin Joon Hyung and Jang Hyun's "Beautiful Rivers and Mountains" is /out/ as it gets. Similar environmental patriotism to "This Land is Your Land" except they got arrested for making it and its psychedelic rock
I just want to swim in a creek again and all of them near me are shallow as hell/polluted
>>2867961sounds like a skill issue.
>>2867961You're telling me you can't climb a fence, yet you can dive off cliffs, unlike those damn normies? Interesting.
/out/ give me recs on leather boots that are stylish yet practical. Preferably waterproof. Been thinking about the danner light 2, but I wanna know whats out there.
>>2856830i've never tried them, but maybe the jim greens barefoot ones
Friendly bump
>>2860395>What are some good half-boot trail runner type shoes? My heavy ass decathlon leather hiking boots gave out so I was looking into this as well. Might get a la sportiva raptor 3 mid, but I worry with goretex it's too warm for summer. I was checking out a scarpa rush 2 mid too.
I haven’t worn anything with a raised heel in maybe ten years. I saw a mega thread on a running forum where the OP asked for an explanation as to why shoes have heels that sit higher than the forefoot. No one could give a reasonable answer; generic “support” seemed like a go-to but with know real thought out into it. Stepping back it really didn’t make any sense. Why would we need to support our legs and feet, outside of injury or some kind of Forest Gump birth defect? “You’re a perfectly normal, healthy person; wear these orthopedic shoes so your ankles are always in plantar flexion and you’re bent into lumbar lordosis whenever you’re standing or walking.” The further I looked into it, the more I realized the truth: there is no reason. It’s almost entirely cosmetic. >but hundreds of years can’t be wrong We drank mercury as medication and doctors went straight from autopsies to childbirth without washing their hands. George Washington was probably killed by blood letting. People are fucking stupid.Shoes have raised heels to make you look taller. That’s it. That’s almost the entire reason. And they have narrow toes so they can come to a point, making your feet look longer so girls will think you have a bigger dick. >almostWe used to ride horses everywhere. Separate heels allow you to lock against a stirrup. This specific use case worked its way into fashion as horse ownership became more ubiquitous. Prior to that, everyone wore sandals.There are options now, but people still chose the raised heel. Why? For the same reason raised heels still exist: tradition. Form over function. “It’s just always been that way”/“it’s what I’ve always used.”
>>2864911>Limmer2nd thisLimmer über allesOnly thing that holds a candle to them are Meindl Perfekts, Hanwag Bergell Top, and various SteinkoglersLimmer, unlike the Meindl and Hanwags come in 3 different widths (except the ultralights)
Winter wanderings edition.Who's had any good /out/ings so far this winter? Every aspect of your edged what kit have you worked on lately? What plans do you have for the coming spring?
>>2867125Ever hear of a tumpline? I would just sew some leather as a pad over some hemp rope.
>>2867147yeah i might do that with some leather scraps i have.
>>2859050Man's hung like a bull look at that cock bulge
I don't know if it counts but when I go camping I use a lantern, old mountaineers kerosene stove, canvas tent. It just feels right, when I'm out there. It adds to the atmosphere.
Camped at a Rendezvous in south west Wisconsin. Some 500 campers.Two fields full of canvas tents.
are their backpacks still good?
>>2866889Looks like the same globalist shite that MEC turned into. By that, I would say no.
>>2866889ya the daylite is pretty much perfect for a day hike. i pretty much always take one with me when i go hunting. plus they will repair or replace any of their gear you send into them, no questions asked. they make good stuff and you can replace it every year for a new one if you want.
I have a Farpoint 40 and and a Daylte and love them both. the Farpoint I've travelled round the world with for over a decade now
>>2866889That pic you posted is more of an urban commuter bag, in my opinion and less an /out/ bag.I have the manta 24, its a great bag. The form factor is large for a daypack but since it has an internal frame it still carries well when its not filled. My only complaint is that the lumbar belt pockets are hard to close with one hand, since the pocket material isn't rigid enough to keep the zipper in line. It also creaks a little bit but that's really not a big deal for me.
>>2866889I have that backpack and it's great for a day hike.Very comfy how the weight distribute.Also the texturized back with a mesh makes it pretty fresh.
Witch is the superior sleep system
>>2864201How are the self inflating pads (pictured), can you use only those or do you need to layer them with something else?
>>2867994You just need them and a sleeping bag, if your gonna lay it straight on the ground not in a tent it's nice to have a tarp under it to prevent punctures, Follow my thread Im on week 4>>2866074
>>2864201Inflatable sleeping pad with memory foam with R rating of 2 or better. Bulkier than just a sleeping pad, but provides more support, so your hips and shoulders don't bottom out. Throw that on a cot and bring a real pillow and you're sleeping pretty mush as well as you can outdoors.
>>2864311>I treat my equipment like shit and never maintain it so that means it's bad!
>>2868011I'm back packing I can't carry all that>>2868014My pad no longer holds all the air in, it starts to deflate after a few hours but it dose not get fully empty it still provides comfort and insulation even in the morning when I wake up
Back in 2008 I was 13 years old when my dad decided to pack up the family and move from Alaska to the lower 48. It was a 5 day journey, being stuck in a minivan with 3 other siblings with nothing but junk food like chips and poptarts. Here are a couple of quick (but boring) incidents on the road.>outside Alaskan border in Yukon.>family stops around mid-day to eat at diner>It looked exactly like a fantasy gnome forest, enormous pine trees so dense I looked dark in the day>after we head across the road to a trail leading to a hotsprings.>bout 20 people there and my family is standing on the walk dipping our toes in the water and boiled their toes off>Canadians laughing at the American clowns that didnt know hotsprings had a temperature gradient.>leave embarrassed another>stopped in Canadian small town with a pig factory to sleep in a parking lot>stench so aweful it was difficult to sleep, kinda like smoke but mixed with dogfood and garbage>1am>wake up with insane cramps and knew I had to blow shit out of my keister>look outside>literal serial killer port-a-john in front of the dark woodsComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2863414Jump off a cliff
>>2863416Sounds like a wholesome experience. One day you will be glad you took that walk with your brother. Inspiring him to go outdoors, leading the way, providing sustenance, pushing him to his limits and being there to save his bacon in the end.I hope you realise how much of a good brother you are.
>>2863414>hikong with a first timer>it dawns on me that the possibility of us not leaving before sundown is very realmany such cases
>>2862766ok soooo this is only tangentially related but i am not wasting a thread on this dumb question. how do i shit while /out/ if it always takes me at least like 10 wipes to clean my ass? plus i use wet toilet paper>inb4 fatassi'm not im just cursed with a haemorrhoidy anus despite having a bmi of 21.I know that people typically just squat and then only need one or two wipes... but what if I need more?
>>2868027>im just cursed with a haemorrhoidy anusShave that hairy assholeUse wet wipes Shower/bathe when you can
Hello /out/ it's me again. Maybe it is time for another abandoned mine exploration thread. I have posted these for over a decade; this will be the last one. AMA. I'll answer what I can. I hope you enjoy.
What is the most dangerous thing that happend to you while you were exploring?
>>2866157One of my first times using rope to gain entrance down a vertical shaft mine. We roped down a 300 ft vertical shaft and explored the drifts. on my way back up part of my t-shirt got pulled into the croll. this is the part of the climbing harness that latches on the rope. your single point of contact attaching you to the. rope. I was stuck on rope 250 ft up in a mineshaft with my shirt and rope seized in my climbing gear. A stupid and easily preventable mistake on my part, in a hobby that doesn't typically forgive stupidity, I broke my ankle while exploring. Just bad luck on that one. Had to have surgery to remove bone fragments. Climbing an old wooden miner's ladder, about 50 feet up still have at least another 50 to get to the drift tunnel. Headlamp shorts out. I had to climb back down in the dark. I now always keep 2 headlamps on my helmet.Saw on old piece of newspaper in a drill hole. Grab the corner and start trying to pull it out. Realize it is an old stick of dynamite that didn't go off. Another one of my stupid mistakes just to name a few.
>>2857164Have you ever found anything out of the ordinary? Things that hint at occult rituals or larger modern cave structures that seem like they might lead to a DUMB or maybe a bunker?
>>2862301I knew a merchant marine and I would advise against it unless you think it's the only way you can make a living. He worked really hard to get to be one then he absolutely hated it even with all the down time. It was like every day he had off was a count down to going back to hell.
>>2867971In a mine in southern California, we came across an alcove that had a shrine with many Mexican Jesus candles. I have been in multiple mines that had broken through to cave systems.
I HATE my job, I HATE normies. How tf can I just drop out of society and get neetbux. I have a small farm and a bitch to leach off of but I have no idea how to welfare meme. Do I just tell the doctor im autistic and get disability?!?!?!? I make to much for food stamps and I just don't pay my medical bills for any ER visit ext... I have a kid on the way so im scared to drop out without knowing what to do.... BTW I don't give a fuck what anyone around me thinks.... help... living out my RV BTW the pic is from my homestead back in January
>>2865077Settling on family land is how most people lived until the industrial revolution
>>2865075kwab
>>2865067how many acres of land do you need to sustainably harvest trees for firewood and how much do you make doing that if you dont mind me asking? Im going to buy remote land in ontario canada and i need to make money somehow but i dont want to chop down all the trees. Ik you can just use deadwood but how much of that can you get each year?
>>2865587I dont actually own any land I just operate on family owned land and my neighbours land, so its hard for me to say.You are right in that you want to cut as few live trees on your land as possible, so its important to have other sources.You need to make friends with people in the area and ask them if you can take deadwood or live trees off their land.Most people see this as a win-win.The amount of deadwood you get depends alot upon this I would say.>how much do you make doing that if you dont mind me asking?I have no idea kek, but my expenses are insanely low and as long as I have 10k saved I feel comfortable.That being said I have recently relocated and Im expanding the total amount of firewood I sell yearly, which Im excited for.Up until very recently there have been alot of trial and error to get to where I am.
>>2865075When is your life going to start?
They opened a store in my city recently. Is any of their stuff worth it?
>>2867307Have been using their tiny stove and pot for over a decade, their cookware is bombproof
>>2867601>bombproof>made in Japan
>>2867307I've had a Snow Peak titanium pot for like 20 years. It's just a pot.
>>2867307I'd say their cookware is worth getting if you can find it for cheap. When I worked at (((redacted outdoors store))) my employee discount got me 40% off. Otherwise, if you want titanium cookware, just get Toaks. Its cheaper and essentially the same shit.
>>2867916weird, I was pretty much in the same boat. snowpeak makes good stuff, but it's pretty much all way over priced. all the snowpeak stuff i have is either passed down from my dad, bought when our employee discount stacked with already discounted items, or given to me when the store gave out old stuff as a "christmas bonus".for awhile we had titanium sake cups from them. two cup for $50. no one ever bought them because thats just retarded.
Just found out there's a mulberry tree in my backyard. Time to raise silkworms? 0.0
This past weekend I did a 15 miles hike in a canyon with vans shoes (that's all I have considering they have more grip that my 8yo worn down running shoes) and I had a few close calls almost twisting my ankles, not to mention my soles are bruised all over now.Is there a pair of shoes I could hike with, wear daily (so with an understated design, I wear straight cut jeans and slacks) and if possible run with (concrete, country trails, no more than 90mn at 7-8mph). I don't need it to be waterproof, it would be great if it was under 100 usd and available in black or beige.I am looking at trail running models (aren't the soles gonna be too soft for hiking)?The hikes I go on are usually rocky and slippery but I'm nothing too hardcore.Thanks. In exchange please accept this funny webm.
Which altitude are we talking about?
>>2867937>aren't the soles gonna be too soft for hikingWhat do you mean 'too soft for hiking'?
I think I want to sell my home and just either live in a boat or an rv and fuck around the west coast until I eventually drop dead or somethingAnyone here ever actually live in an rv or a small boat full time? does one cost more than the other long terms? I suppose the boat thing sucks because no natl parks or driving around to go get supplies, but living on the water sounds kind of cozy honestly
>>2863086>>2863087
>>2855384I wanna drive boats>>2863078this
Full time boat living for 8 years. Versus a land apartment I save over 1k a month.Maintenence costs are significantly less than that. Literally everything is mildly inconvenient, laundry, groceries, water, getting to work and back, but the way I get to live more than makes up for those small hurdles.I know a lot about boats. I fix all my own shit. I also work on boats, I fix all of their shit. If you pay someone to fix your shit (in my area) it's gonna run you 150$/hr per guy minimum. Electrical, fiberglass, plumbing, engine, rig.The internet is your friend. You can learn how to fix it. Don't be a retard. If you're a retard you'll end up in a world of hurt. Otherwise you'll be fine.I'll check back if you have questions.
>>2865238Im thinking about a gemini 105mc catamaran. Any thoughts?
>>2867917They sail pretty poorly compared to a more conventionally rigged boat, and are annoying to clean and maintain since they are so wide and have two hulls, lessening your choices in marinas. Remember, a smaller boat that got everything you need/want will be cheaper, easier to sail and overall less of hassle. Indoor toilet and standing height in the cabin I would think being the minimum creature comforts, and in case you wanna spend money try out electric winches (big cost but with and autopilot you will be able sail a much bigger boat solo)
