Looking to do a week in New Mexico in December. What’s my best bet? Never been to the state before. What is the backpacking scene like in December in the land of enchantment?
>>2789301no.not even the bottom of the fucking grand canyon stays above 30 overnight in the winter. what the fuck do you expect?
>>2789959he isnt a gay
>>2789301New mexico is huge , there are all sorts of biomes
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its way too cold
Buck season is officially open in Pennsylvania. Can /out/ share some of your hunting views? Don't know much about season times in other states.
>>2791613you found black bear scat in your vehicle? might wanna check the back seat.
>>2791508Didn't see any doves so I settled for crow
>>2791669How do they eat?
>>2791613>Its shit has the same visual texture as its furThat is gnarly
>>2792209not bad. a bit like beef
What old piece of gear do you need to replace but are refusing to?Mine is my Rab Xenon-X Jacket I've had since 2018. >Primaloft Gold>336g>Fits like it was tailored just for me>Looks OK for daily wear too without looking like some gorpcore poserI love that thing and no other jacket feels quite like it but it's losing its insulation properties and the elastic has gone in sleeves. I haven't found another jacket that comes close to it.
>>2791029I have a 34 litre Osprey pack from around 2015 and it's got years of life left in it yet. That things been to hell and back and you'd never know to look at it.>>2791033I see what you're saying but it's not like it's used only for every day light use. It sees mostly hard, back-country use in all sorts of sustained, exposed conditions year-round. It gets screwed up for extended periods in my pack, used as a pillow and everything in between. To look at it it's in great shape, it's performance is beginning to falter, as you'd expect from something you routinely kick the shit out of.
>>2790838Do they still make this? If not what was it replaced with?
>>2791041No it was discontinued for reasons which elude me. They currently don't offer anything quite like this jacket at the moment. There's things that are sort of similar to it but I don't like any of them.
>>2790838A six year old Revit Sand jacket that I had a fairly bad crash in on pavement.It's no longer waterproof, won't offer much in the way of protection as the parts that hit the ground are the ones that are abraded, and it looks like it was crashed in.No real reason I've kept using it besides sheer stupidity.
>>2790838Various backpacks>cheap 2-compartment school backpackStill use it for the gym, the zippers are all fucked and the seams are coming apart but it still holds clothes and towels, and I don't want to stink up any of my other backpacks with sweaty clothes.>Deuter Gigant from 2015Same story as the no-name one, was my daily pack throughout uni and several years of working, commuting by motorbike and bicycle.>Särmä large assault packOnly 2 years old but I recently dumped the motorbike and slid on my back so now the front pocket has a hole and the front strap is 90% to being ripped through. I should get around to patching and stitching those, respectively, then it'll be good for another few years.For longer bicycle rides, I still use my granddad's old touring bicycle. It's light, supremely comfy, ugly enough that nobody will steal it, and has basically no rolling resistance.But the gear shifter and rear sprocket are mismatched (7 vs 6 gears, there were supply issues during the lockdowns) so shifting is a pain, and the taillight and its wiring should have been replaced 30 years ago.>>2792172I made the silly mistake of replacing my loose-fitting textiles with tighter-fitting ones a few years ago, only to find out that I wasn't able to layer up for winter riding. So I kept using the old pair of Rev'it pants>bought them in 2015Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Why are hikers so fucking chill compared to other outdoor hobbyists? They’re so nice and always greet you on the trail
>>2791938That's only propaganda. The statistics don't support it.
>>2784881summer sausage and cheese is damn good. I rarely ever see anyone eating that kind of stuff cause they are usually retard vegans out west atleast. Most vegans will eat some fish though for protein on hikes which is good. I'll eat some peanut butter and honey during the day though usually maybe with oats or something
>>2791978Vegans don't eat fish, dork.
>>2767185>It wouldn’t surprise me that much to learn there’s some kind of discrimination discouraging black hikers since you know, society sucks, but I struggle to imagine what that would be.>All state and national parks are free / if not local libraries always have free entry passes>Literally just need a water bottle and some tennis shoes>Can go hours without seeing another person>Won't anyone think of the niggosaurusesYou think that its just inherent that they must face some kind of discrimination, but can't even come up with some basic hypothetical shows how retarded your theory is. If it was so inherent to society then it should be easy for you to imagine some kind of scenario unless you are an applelet and lack an imagination.
>>2792007Vegetarians do.
Why is the selection for these so lacking? Picrel would've been the perfect pick for this. I want leather boots that have tactical features and are easy to take on and off for the city and all the options now suck.Picrel (discountinued): https://www.511tactical.com/de-de/atac-6-boot.htmlThe new (supposedly improved version with a fucking side-zip, too tall): https://www.511tactical.com/de-de/a-t-a-c-reg-2-0-6-shield-boot.htmlSo should I just get shoes or what?https://www.511tactical.com/de-de/atac-2-0-low-shoe.html
>>2790397OP HERE. Give me your take on these:
>>2790523https://www.military1st.eu/m800290-021-magnum-patrol-cen-boots-black.html>>2790431I want ankle support and protection from the elements in the city but don't want to wear full-sized military boots. Synthetics suck ass.
>>2790429>gasoline-proof solesWhy? Everything in the army runs off jp-8
>>2790523They are super comfortable. Until they are not. Meaning. When they break, they hurt your feet. But you can get good wear out of them for 6 months or so.
>>2790397>tacticalinto the trash it goes
A few weeks ago I went camping in Northern ID. It was warm and clear out so I slept on a sleeping pad and only used a wool blanket and a hoodie for insulation. It was plenty and I slept great, but it probably didn't get down past 40°.The blanket is the cheapest 80% wool blanket I could find at a surplus store. I think the brand is Swiss Link. It's relatively think and looks like a moving blanket.It got me thinking, is there any benefit to 90 or 100% wool over 80%? Would a thicker wool blanket, like an older Pendleton or a genuine Swiss blanket, be noticeably better for colder weather, maybe down to the 30's? Asking because it seems like all of the good wool blankets are $75-$250, and while you definitely get what you pay for, I wonder how much more you get. I'm not suggesting a wool blanket over a real sleeping bag, or only using one in the dead of winter or something stupid like that. Just using one in spring-summer. Does anyone here blankie camp? If so, what seasons? What's your setup like? What's the best way to be comfy?
>>2792161>>2786920I'm half tempted to buy this myself and be done vacillating over a nemo inflatable, though I'm on a motorcycle with pretty small panniers which somewhat helps me justify buying a $200 inflatable gimmick with my coming bonus.
>>2792163Is it supposed to smell like kerosene though? Only other woolen item I've had have woolen socks, but none of them smelled like this. I'll give that a try in a bucket but it just seems like a lot of effort to go though on a blanket that was already nearly $60. I'm starting to wonder if it really is wool, or if I just got sheep asshair.
>>2792160>>2792163It's the combination of heat and movement that makes wool shrink. You can wash it in cold water either by hand or the gentle setting in your laundry machine then let it air dry. Although in the case of Indian wool, it's probably made from the poo species of sheep so you're SOL. That's what you get for cheaping out.>>2792169No, wool isn't supposed to smell like chemicals. It should smell faintly like hair, which isn't a particularly nice smell, but not horrible or overpowering either. You shouldn't smell anything unless you stick your nose in it. The smell will probably go away eventually if you let it air out for a while (I'm talking weeks/months). But you should probably just cut your losses and buy a blanket that wasn't made by people who wash their hands with cow poo before they eat.
>>2792180I'll keep it in mind. If it gets to a week before the end of the return period and it still reeks, then this stupid thing is going back. I am displeased that I can't find a fucking blanket elsewhere for less than $100ish, which is a bit too much.>Suddenly have to wait 900 seconds before making a post. What the fuck did i do to merit a ban at all, let alone a short one?
>>2792183>I am displeased that I can't find a fucking blanket elsewhere for less than $100ish, which is a bit too much.Wool tends to be inherently expensive. You might be able to find deals at local fabric stores though. I "made" myself a melton wool blanket that can rival any brand name camping blanket for about $75 USD
Its seems like flooding is becoming much more common these days. I'm reluctant to believe it's 100% because of global warming. There has to be another reason to explain why it's getting so bad worldwide.https://www.hashilthsa.com/news/2024-10-21/fatal-weekend-bamfield-road-heavy-rain-causes-washout-sarita-river
>>2792013You're not wrong to mistrust over the counter science but NOAA itself is just a data collection organization. The people interpreting the data are the dishonest fuckers on the dole from big energy and the timber cartels.Clearing the Amazon rainforest has demonstrably changed regional weather. Clearcutting of the west coast has demonstrably increased forest fires in the past 100 years. Filling of wetlands and clearing of riparian forests has demonstrably increased ocean acidification. The great Midwest bason being converted into corporate agriculture has demonstrably killed the gulf of Mexico.NOAA data just verifies what you can observe yourself--the problem is the lying pieces of garbage lying to you about all the causes and force feeding you bullshit solutions.
>>2787202People who are way into climate change are also way into plastic reduction. They feed off each other.Also I've heard some people accepting that floods are actually getting worse, on the condition that it's caused by chemtrails/HAARP/etc.
>>2792119>People who are into this all believe thatThat's called a logical fallacy anon.The people usually called "climate deniers" are lumped into that category usually for distrusting corporate science (rightfully so). The people that don't trust corporate science almost always agree with waste reduction and usually are pro nucluar.Same with the opposite end of the spectrum--the people who are "pro climate" are often steriotyped as nutters who believe everything they hear--also not true.This is a common disinformation method used to divide people and prevent them from finding common ground.If the "climate debate" was framed as pollution reduction and was honest about the sources of pollution there would be much more consensus but the polluters don't want that so push the divide and conquer narrative like you just tried to do.
Its simply because there are more cameras and media sources to document it world wide.
>>2792119my coworkers, brilliant programmers who have been in IT for 30+ years have drank the chemtrails koolaid in the last year or so and gone off the deep end with this stuff. its so sad to see seemingly rational scientific-minded individuals. although i wonder if its early signs of cognitive decline + covid aftereffects
Cant seem to find any discussion on this anywhere so I'll just post it here:What are your thoughts on overalls for going /out/?I fucking hate wearing rucking with shirts that constantly ride up regardless of their fitting and pants/shorts that, when you kneel or bend over expose your lower back. Tucking them into each other also just feels uncomfortable.Something like picrel (2)?Seems perfect for practically all weather right? If it's cold, just wear long-johns underneath and then and only then maybe like some ECWCS cold weather pants and jacket over it.If it's warm then just rock the boiler suit with only regular underwear.No sliding, no exposure of skin, no need for sunscreen and it even looks cool (picrel 1. Maru, from Heavenly Delusion)Why hasn't it been done?
>>2777406If the OP's post is basing their ideas about outdoor activities from anime it should be ignored. Same type of retard that posts "okay I've watched every girls-go-camping-genre anime and bought gear from amazon, I think I'm ready to do a ten day trip"
>>2788150>>2789695Bump, need to keep this thread in the catalog
>>2789705Use the hip belt of you backpack
>>2789705Get help.
>>2777406I just ordered a pair of these goretex pants for $30 im excited to get them, they look like they would be pretty good for preventing plumbers ass since you mentioned that was a concern of yours. I've never worn braces or suspenders before but I know that I hate wearing belts so thought id give these a try and its some of the cheapest goretex you can find. I might buy the matching jacket if i like these.
talk about ruckz and packz
>>2760458GoRuck GR1 with the water bottle pouch?
>>2783450No idea if this is what you are looking for, but Eberlestock makes the Destroyer V69 which is more of a mountaineering style pack. It keeps the front access, but loses the side zippers for side pouches. It's on sale rn for like $40 less than the Spartan. I ordered mine, so I can tell you about it when it gets here.
>>2783481The Kajka series is also good for this. Honestly the civilian sector fucked up by not widely adopting molle since it's just useful for so much shit including adding pouches. The only reason it isn't done though is because molle is a universal system and you can buy pouches from any company. Companies would rather just stitch 2 pockets onto an existing pack and charge an extra $150 if the consumer wants that option.
>>2760458>Search GoRuck GR1>$500 w/ t&s for a frameless 26L mallninja greyman tier backpack.How about you spend half that for a Kahakka that doesn't make you look like a massive retard.
>>2769457i own most of their bags and theyre great, harness is so comfortable ive modded them onto any bags i have not made by hpgi use an umlindi or junction pack daily as edc and a ute for backpacking (i use all ul gear accept for the packs) I abuse the shit out of them and ive had zero issues after 7 years of use on the umlindi and ahbc, best most rugged and comfortable packs you can buy though imo theyre too expensive now, they were already pricy when i was buying them many years ago but now its kind of outrageous, if youre looking to buy i suggest going on the facebook owners group and buying used, theyre just as good as new in most circumstances
Beautiful mature forests, extremely low tourist density, great wildlife populations, no parking fees, no rangers breathing down my neck, no posted signs, this is easily my favorite wilderness area in the USA and I've seen nearly all of them. The mosquitoes are also not quite as bad as the rest of the northeast for some reason.
>>2792147That's not true at all. The tallest mountain in Colorado can be hiked without any mountaineering experience lmao. A lot of the 14ers can be done as well without mountaineering.
>>2792150Hiking? Sounds like a waste of time. I do primitive camping and bushcraft and survival skills training. Mountains are gay and there's nothing up there.
>>2792153Kill yourself.
>>2792153>I do primitive camping and bushcraft and survival skills trainingbullshit you stupid cunt. you've never left the house. fuck off retard.
>>2792170When someone uses the term "14er" I automatically know they have never swung a hatchet and probably don't own a single firearm.
Finally, a non cucked map for 2025 that takes into account:-natural beauty-weather-ease of access-activities other than mountaineering (fishing, hunting, birdwatching, canoeing, relaxing, hiking)-cost of going /out/-peace and quiet factor-safety from crime and wildlife-flora and fauna biodiversity
>>2790836Why is this map so gay?
>>2792129Turn your brightness, you're seeing your reflection in the glare
>>2792154
>>2792154>derpthanks for the projection
vgh, bring me to Oklahoma
more green crabs have appeared on the petroglyph rock at the beach
>>2791765better that then the graffiti of free palestine, so and so loves so and so, and dicks. hell the people are spraypainting the trees the days even leading down to the beach.
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>>2791777>/out/ is now anti-leave-no-trace and pro-graffitiholy shit the 2016 really did flip this place on its headI want to go back
>>2792125You're also gay and rain isn't wet
>>2792125kek>2016if you think im a burger that joined this groupchat of ours because of an election you are retarded >pro graffiti im not pro graffiti and what op has done isnt graffiti. he is just scratching a rock, causing no damage to the environment and also not bothering anyone. its harmless>leave no traceits a blanket rule, and one that you probably dont even followdo you remove all the footprints you leave in wet clay or sand? do you fix any leaves or sticks you break underfoot? do you patch up any holes that tent pegs make? i bet you donti also bet you dont even care about stepping on any insects or mosses or grasses or fungi or roots or small flowers. i bet you think that they "just grow back" - unless they are extinct or just never recovered (surely you remember how a decade ago there were more bugs, right?)and op, sorry for killing your thread before it started, there was more seethe in the last one
christmas gift thread / flashlight thread (?)i wanna gift a flashlight for christmas to my dad, he's a scout guide and his use is just camping, searching for kids smoking weed in the woods, etc. i want something that either uses AA/AAA batts or is usb-rechargeable, no weird lithium batteries that require separate chargers. what can you suggest?
>>2791065Why would you support narc habits? Let dumb kids have dumb fun. Also buy him a tacticool headlamp, he'll probably enjoy the idea more even if he never uses it or a regular flashlight
Pelican 3410MHead can switch to a right angleHas a clip on the back for hip or shoulder strapHas a magnet on the clip, will stick to metal walls, tablesEntire body glows in the darkTakes 3x AAs, I keep spare rechargable AAs on me so I can swap them out when its deadHas a spot and flood light, can switch to either or bothHas three brightness levels for power saving, and a strobe modeHas a red/yellow/green indicator for battery levelCan be had for around $50
>>2791062I picked up this 3000lm spotlight recently HO LEE PHUC is it great. It recharges via usb, is basically completely waterproof, and is brighter than horsecocks. I keep in my bedside stand for self defense if someone breaks in at night. One belt with this beam and they'll be completely blind for like 2 minutes, which is enough time for me restrain and strip him down
Does anyone know any good but more broad outdoors-related gifts? Trying to shop for my dad who does a lot of hunting but he pretty much buys himself everything he needs already. Bought him a bootdryer and trail cams that send photos to your phone in years prior but I'm having a hard time thinking of stuff this year.Only current idea is to get a shitton of jerky and gift that to multiple family members
>>2791376perhaps more "edc" than "outdoor", but I personally quite like the Nitecore TIKI keychain flashlights. extremely small (about the same length and diameter as a AA battery), charged via USB. has a main light at the front and two little side lights integrated into the transparent housing. there's a variant where the main light is a 1 watt UV led (more powerful than pretty much any other keychain UV light I've seen) and the side lights are both floody, neutral white LEDs.that's the one I most recommend, especially if someone probably already has a flashlight.
>Backpack>Small tent>Sleeping bag>Water bottle>Water filter>Knife>Fire starter>12ga shotgun>Hatchet or saw>Trowel>PotAnything else?
>>2791989get a second shotgun and a rambo knife
>>2791994>>2792000Sensible posts. You can't do without a mattress of sorts. Swapping the fire kit and the water filter with stove and fuel might be more sensible depending on how you're organized. One canteen is enough only if water is very plentyful. You won't need a pot if your canteen is unlined steel and your food doesn't require cooking.
>>2791989Rain gear is a must. An unexpected soaking can be dangerous and ruin a trip really quick. I recommend just getting some packable pants/top as opposed to a poncho. I find that ponchos always let my arms get soaked and they blow around too much in the wind. Frogg Toggs is a reliable and inexpensive brand.
>>2791989get a sleeping pad as well. get an entrenching shovel (you can use it for digging, and as a hatchet). use a BIC lighter. get a water bottle with a nesting cup, and use the nesting cup as your pot.
>>2791989>>2792057Also, about rain: Get a rain cover for your bag and shotty. Big trash bags are good as an inside liner. A couple big gallon ziploc (ones with the actual zipper, not the "press-to-seal" bags) for your ammo or sensitive electronics you might be taking out there. Keeping your sleeping bag dry is going to be the most important thing.
