can anyone recommend a good pair of hiking boots? price doesn't really matter, i'm just trying to get a decent pair of boots that won't bust a hole straight through the bottom like my last pair (my walking posture is fine)
>>2843740it shifts the weight towards the ball of the foot otherwise theres a tendency to tire the heel
>>2843610Boreal Maipo. You can go up to a 20k, they are not double boots, but they might be one of the most solid rigid boots out there. They are indestructible, cheap and comfortable. You don't need princess feet like with La Sportiva, their foot bed is pretty wide.
>>2843610>can anyone recommend a good pair of hiking boots?My Dad is a lifelong Elk hunter, and has tried MANY different brands of boots. He swears by "Asolo", and due to the hype, is now using "Crispi", and he likes those too. I have a pair of "Asolo" that do the job.
>>2843610I use boots for autumn-winter:Merrell Speed Strike 2 MidAnd trail runner sneakers for spring-summer:Altra Lone Peak 9+Both are great
>>2866761>make boots
how do you train for mountaneering hiking and backpacking and out in generali know the optimal way is to load weight on a backpack and walk uphill and down, increasing distance, elevation and weight progressivelybut i live in flat area and it's depressing to drive for 1 hour just to be on the same boring trail. anything closer is shit, i need to go up and down the same hill 10 times to get close to the total elevation i want, it's boring and depressing and people who i encounter think i'm stupidany other suggestions?
walk barefootalways carry a belt of rocksshoot yourself in you knees to practise endurancealways shit while walking
>put 25% of bodyweight in pack>get a plyo box or sturdy chair that reaches 75-100% of your knee>do full step ups-- stand on the floor, right leg up, left leg up, stand, left leg down, right leg down, stand, repeat with legs flippedDoing this for 30 minutes to an hour or so emulated the feeling of hiking better than basically anything I've done. Treadmills and stairmasters can be too easy to lock into, real trails require a bit of stabilizer effort and thought to follow in a way the box does better. If you haven't done this before don't push through knee pain and start light.
I’ve been walking up and down a very steep hill (the Mississippi River levee). It hits calves better than an emulated workout like a stair climber while still using hamstrings and glutes. Stairs always felt very quad-dominant and more like high intensity cardio or something; just super hard right out of the gate no matter how slow I went. Hills feel like more of a balanced workout and endurance heavy. Maybe it’s just me. I think it has to do with body mechanics and planter flexion but I don’t know.
>>2868307Same, I just train on an indoor bike and jump rope and my stamina has never come close to running out on day hikes up and down a mountain
>>2853460no need to train unless you're doing some actual dangerous summit with actual rope climbing/ ice climbing
Apparently I'm not supposed to walk barefoot?
>>2866186Wife got me some nip socks for wearing with flip flops. They take some getting used to but they’re ‘aight.
>>2864167>hey man what's the time>uhh it's gem-o-clock
>>2865193Based and grounded-pilled
>>2864241I bought myself a pair of overpriced Vivobarefoot Tracker Forest ESC. I will never go back to narrow toe boxes again, hell I wish they widened it even more but I can't seem to find any shoes like those square shoes in The Hobbit.
>>2864166it limits the scope/range of your path and your speed
Last thread >>2856593This is a thread for enjoying a pipe while doing outdoor activities. If you ask why this belongs on /out/, you've never spentan evening by the campfire with a pipe silently enjoying the nature around you, and you're missing out.>how to get startedPurchase a corn cob pipe (or a cheap briar pipe) and a pouch of Half and Half or Captain Black tobacco from a smoke shopor online. You will need a lighter or match, and something to tamp it with--a large nail works well if you don't have a pipe tool.Fill the pipe with tobacco, pack it down halfway, top it off, pack it down to 3/4, top it off again, pack gently and enjoy. Smokeslower than you think you need to, the tobacco tastes best when it is burning cool. Tamp and re-light as needed. If you stillhave trouble, try different methods on YouTube until you find one that works for you.>smoking a pipe will give you cancerOriginally the Surgeon General found that pipe and cigar smokers, following a careful study of the statistics (at a time whenmost adults smoked, so they had a good sample size), had insignificant death rate increases. Nowadays, tobacco is beinglegislated against while hard drugs are being legalized. Put two and two together. Tobacco is just another good thing under attack by the government.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2868795This is making my mouth water. I love poppy seeds UGH. In addition to tasting great in pastries and muffins and overnight oats - I went through a phase where I considered making unwashed poppy tea. I never considered grinding & smoking them, though. Would you be able to do it with regular ol’ poppy seeds obtained from a grocery store spice aisle? Or do you need more virginal unwashed home-grown ones. In minecraft; this is all about the hypothetical efficacy
>>2868797if its "breadseed poppy" (papaver somniferum), yeah, you can do itsome people will buy a shaker of seeds & make a tea out of it for pain, but the pod itself is where you can really get the power out ofthe biggest issue is that you don't know how much it actually has though, so you can pretty easily kill yourself if you're abusing it (well, that and the fact its extremely addictive, since its literally just opium)smoking it would definitely be the most dangerous way, since you'd have basically no time to tell if you're starting to overdose, along with the specific method being more addictive too
have someone here tried to replace these rubber clenchers by some rope or a nylon line?i want to be hand free but i don't want to chew too much on the stem itself, and do so without buying something on the web since i'm away, hence repurposing some line or similar
>>2869095Silicone straws work.
I love coin cuts so much it’s unreal. Very whimsical, fun to stuff or rub out. Beautiful presentation.Very euphoric when you get a new shipment of de luxe navy rolls or LBF and see all those stacked coins
Does this mean no more comfy fire watch jobs?
>>2865989Conservation, policing, and sustainable foresty like controlled burns and stuff. Its called silviculture and you have to go to school for it. Thats right, park rangers are smarter than you.
>>2869102>Thats right, park rangers are smarter than youKekMost of them just sit in a booth all day doing nothingThe current policy for forests nowadays is "leave it alone" because everybody is too lazy to actually do work to properly manage wildlife habitat. And even if they wanted to they would need to jump through millions of hoops and red tapes so they can't actually do anything
>>2865528>every single one of them is fat/old as fuckI think the administration was right on this one lads.
>>2869143They're in admin roles. These are budget planners, logistics coordinators, policy makers. They don't work the field lol.
I'm posting an image of hitler's army on 4 wheels.>>2869100>i dont LIKE the mirror >:(
>washington gas chamber state
washington state
What's some of your favorite /out/ approved kinos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OivMlWXtWpY
Death Hunt - Charles Bronson, Lee Marvin
>>2867908The Bear fucks him
What's the highest mountain in your country/state? Do you feel jealous of places with higher mountains?Mountains in Poland are fun but the highest one (picrel) is 2499 m, which is much lower than Alps. Moreover, highest mountains in Poland are often quite crowded. This makes some Poles jealous of poeple who live near Alps.I'm 99.9% sure people who live in flat countries like Lithuania feel jelous about our mountains but I wonder if people who live in mountains like Alps or Rockies feel jealous anout Himalayas or Andes.
>>2865685kek>>2865690>i'm in spain, which i guess isn't so bad because it has a few with more than 3k meters but they are all 8 hour drives from where i live so it's fucking bullshit.That's not bad at all. Road trips are fun af. I'm in southern California and I do 10 hour drives to get to Shasta / Lassen / Lake Tahoe every summer. 12 hours to get to Crater Lake.
I've lived in Colorado for a few years but done very little hiking. No more than 2500ft of elevation gain and all below 10k ft. Want to try and do some 14ers this year. Started running at the beginning of the year to improve my cardio and am down about 30lbs. Any recommendations on hikes to start with and general advice?
>>28655373,491 feet / 1,064 meters for the appropriately named land of the hills. i do not feel mountain envy because i enjoy living in a coastal plain and visiting the mountains, which are readily accessible. i also don't care if east coast mountains are typically smaller. my platonic ideal of outdoor adventure is to explore the magnificent beach forests, not reach the highest point
yeah southern ontario fucking sucks
Last fall I "climbed" Viennas highest elevation, the Hermannskogel (544m above sea level). There is an observation tower, and it's also the point of origin of the austro-hungarian empires land survey.
humiliation ritual
>>2869028>Do bears live there?In the alpine? Yes.
>>2868914KEK
>>2868900Struggling with rope is the humiliation ritual.
I'm glad that my ancestors have genocided the past bear population where I live
>>2869032>not practicing the bear trianglesomeone doesn’t go outside
German anon here. Tomorrow, I will be heading to Decathlon to buy some hiking gear. I have never properly gone hiking before - at most, I have gone on 3-4 hour walks on forest trails. I will mainly be hiking in spring and autumn, and occasionally in summer, depending on the weather. Terrain wise, I will be mainly hiking in rather hilly areas with a few hundred meters of elevation, and more flat areas from time to time. I would also love to camp for a night or two while I'm at it, but if that's too much (budget wise), we can just stick with hiking gear for now.
>>2861316Get some workhorse alluminium poles, some trekking shoes, i saw some quechua/simond knock offs of scarpa's mojito shoes, they work great if you ain't a fat ass that needs extra padding on the foot, some basic bitch running shorts unless insects are a bother to you, a technical shirt, a fanny pack for essentials, maybe a runner vest if you think fanny packs are gay, and a 20lt backpack for any gay shit you want to bring along.And that is more than enough for day hikes, maybe even overkill depending on what you're doing.>t.did 4000nds during summer with similar setups.
>>2861410>decathlon is upping their gameEhhh the one in my town is always fucking bare and the options are kinda limited, i went there yesterday to get some basic bich items and they didn't had none of them, not even soft flasks, so they either have hoarder problems or they just plain fucking sucks
>>2865335>>2865382>1712km and 15h18mshe didn't realize america was a trainlet country
>>2861316Ask a worker there for help, Decathlon's client service is impeccable and you will find someone more trustworthy there than any anon on this board.
>this whole threadexplains the german tourist phenomena perfectly
Finally making it to California for 2 weeks next month to do some of their national parks. I've done 28/63 parks so far so I've been to a few, anything that's a must see/do? I already booked a ferry for the Channel Islands but that's all I've got so far.I planned on hitting up Channel islands, Joshua Tree, Death Valley, Kings Canyon and Sequoia. Any advice appreciated! Pic is a photo of Bryce Canyon I took last year
>>2867637If you booked Scorpion on Santa Cruz change it to Prisoners which is much less busy and has more vegetation, prettier views, etc. Unless you really want beach access or to look at historic buildings. Wear an /out/ themed patch if you have one I work for the boat
>>2867688Dude right on thanks for the advice I switched my booking to prisoners that sounds much more inline with what I'm looking for I'll put my /out/ patch on my backpack! Your a real one bud cheers
>>2867546It all depends on what you like to do. There’s a difference from walking around between the gift shops and museums and never leaving the 8ft wide trails, and hiking, climbing, backpacking and exploring. Like, how many miles can you hike in a day? At elevation? Up steep terrain? All pertinent information. I’ve been just about everywhere.
>>2867546>Joshua TreeBoring>Death ValleyMostly Boring>Kings CanyonActually enjoyable and fun>SequoiaIt's fine, but overpacked for most of the good trails>>2867584>YosemiteOne of the most overrated parks
>>2869051Yosemite by far is the most impressive park in the US. I sp calls if you go outside the valley and visit other areas inside the park like Tuolumne meadows. If you’re a rock climber, it is literally Mecca!
>"backcountry" camping requires reservation and designated campsite
Imagine being so cucked by the government that you actually try to win a fucking lottery to be allowed to go innawoods and only camp in designated spots lmaaaoo
>>2869046Such is life in a low trust society. What are you going to do, let the boondockers overstay their welcome and cover random sites in litter with no way to catch them?The reservation system make it possible to kick the undesirables out.
>>2869116I love it when newfags wander into threads they have no idea what is being discussed and then offer their opinion like it fucking matters. There are no boondockers in the backcountry. Also OP is just a troll who has like you never touched grass but he knows the lingo.
>>2869046Permits and designates sites are necessities for heavily-trafficked areas. You’d know that if you’ve ever been to a national forest or wilderness area that has a lot of visitors.>backcountry in quotesYes, as opposed to frontcountry. These are well established terms that were familiar with but confuse and anger you. Also note that “car camping” does not mean sleeping in your car (/out/ hates that fact and insists otherwise). Pic is from NPS.gov
I just got back from a portaging trip. It was 40 Canadian rubles for a 3 day 2 person trip. For that we got sites with guaranteed room for tents, a fire pit and a picnic table. They actually came around and checked permits so ensure no squatters which is nice. They also provide maps and info about the park. Worth the price of admission. Why are you going to a maintained park and complaining about fees if what you want is the middle of fucking nowhere?
/out/ i'm a guy and i'm gonna go camping with a girl.what should I be prepared for?
>>2868840>ywn have sweaty hiker tomboy girlfriend who goes days without showering or wearing deodorant or clean clothes and also keeps eating beans to give her the nastiest BRAPS
>>2868742>how does she make money.In app sponsers, direct pay, ad sense, etc etc. C'mon dude, don't play dumb. But like anon said these people don't count. They're essentially corpo-bought plants put right into your hobby to distract you. Because once the canera is off, that dumb bimbo is no longer interested in /out/.
>>2868439complaining
>>2868601This. My current gf is more or less a tomboy, its femine, but has mostly manly hobbys. Played rugby for 5 or 6 years, was into scouting (girls allowed in my country), and now we go mountaineering together. We push ourselfs more than I espected at first, and now we are going full alpinism mode, we rock climb, and we are planning our seventh trip, were we are going to be in movemment for 14h, starting at 4:30/5:00 AM, to reach the second tallest peak in the Pyrinees. >>2868607No complainings like some on this thread are describing. You just need to meet the right girl, and for that, you must move in the right circles of people. There are plenty like my gf, you just need to look for them. You just wont find them in tinder
>>2869020>once the camera is off she abandons the thruhikePlease explain how someone can fake a thruhike and be semi-famous among hikers yet not get called out.
So I've been hiking on and off for a couple years now. Not an expert at all, but I've been thinking about getting into backpacking for real this year, I want to eventually go to Colorado and do some peaks.I'm currently in NJ and closest thing to mountains I have are the Adirondacks peaks. Should I buy this for backpacking? I'm trying to go light because I have a bad back, so I can't afford to buy cheap stuff that's going to weight a lot.This would be my kit for summer. I have all the other gear, I just need the gear to sleep in the woods, I have a good amount of knowledge of clothes and all that, I just don't know a lot about tents and sleeping bags.
>>2867625>I would advise finding inexpensive, almost "cheaper" options and getting experience with them so you know what you actually need versus think you needyup, this is pretty much the way to go. OP needs to take a few long weekends bringing whatever he already has, seeing what was annoying or could be improved, and going from there. a recent example from my own experience is carrying water. until the mail came today, i had 2L smart water bottles in my main backpack compartment, which was incredibly annoying to drink, and took up valuable space. the chicken tramper strap bottle sleeves were finally in stock, so i bought 2 of them. i also upgraded my liquor flask from a boxy plastic one to a $2 leakproof plastic bag one, skipping the titanium flask meme. i would say to do very careful research and buy the best sleep and shelter system once.another important consideration is buying shit you'd actually use IRL. if everything fits in a 40L backpack, buy a 40L one so you can carry it on airplanes and skip (((checked luggage))). my sling bag costs $65 but i use it all the time, and i can take my toiletries bag more or less as-is on any trip. clothing storage pillow for clothes, small roll-top compression sack for down jacket, little niceties like cork ball for muscle massage, etc.
>>2867579I wouldn’t buy any of that stuff from Hyperlite even if I was a millionaire, there are better options.You don’t need an xtherm for summer in Colorado, the normal insulated NeoAir is plenty warm enough, but there are many other pad options that may be more comfortable.Check out garagegrowngear dot com if you want better UL options instead of hyperlite.For the tent, I would get pic related if you can grab one when it launches
>>2867579I paid less for my -20F Thermarest polar ranger then you are paying for that +20F quilt.
Bad back?Although they add weight, trekking poles and camp/break chair may be worthwhile.Bad back here.
Forget the money. If you have a bad back, even ultralight isn't going to save you. You have to learn to pack more efficiently to distribute the weight better. Obviously heavier things have more impact on joints and the back but the weight adds up quickly enough to have an effect even when very light. The money you're spending isn't relevant. I think that tent is a meme and that bag is fine but you can probably find something better for cheaper. None of that shit will change having back problems from lugging stuff for many miles.
Can you read a compass? What % of the population do you think can read a compass? Do you think they are important to have innawoodz?
>>2868921Yes, I autistically try to navigate as little as possible with gps.A quick search suggests 3/4 of people think they can. That's frankly an absurd number.Yes, always bring a compass.>>2868923You're way, way overestimating that. Even amongst my sailing friends >>2868924 is the standard and that's people that should know.
You're "skilled" at compass and map navigation if you can sustain 2° or less at night over land.I raced offshore yachts and served as navigator on Maxis when I was seventeen. Loran C was a backup to traditional techniques and we didn't have gps. Today, I backpack long distances using map and compass, and I own no gps.All /out/ should own a Suunto MC 2 global needle, or a baseboard second-best, with clear base and learn to use it. The batteries never fail.- gramps
>>2869083I don't think that most people even know that magnetic declination is a think so they just assume that all they have to know is that the compass points north
I can read different kinds of compasses and apply them to maps. I know the stars in my part of the world by month and can navigate with them. etc. As others have said, the number of people who think they can is obscenely high compared to those who actually can, which is percentage wise probably in the very low teens.
>>2868921I can read one, but I can't triangulate anything even with a map. Never learned how.
