I want to quit society and live out in nature.Where can I do this, and how should I prepare?
>>2838506Pack some food and water in your van. Cannabis too, if you smoke. Then head into the woods and see how long you can handle it.
>>2838506You got a discord? We can discuss this. There's a lot of learning to be done beforehand.
>>2838664>maybe Russia or China ?>living free in russia or chinaWut?
>>2840228He might run out in this orfer>weed>food>waterThen he's done. Unless he can purify and forage and grow, right?
>>2838714Australia is full of deadly spiders, snakes, as well as Indians and Chinese who arrived in the last 15 years and now make up 50% of the population.90% of it is an inhospitable desert.
how do i traverse this? im going innawoods in northern ontario next weekend and going off-road but it seems like muskeg is absolutely fucking everywhere and i'm scared to walk on or go across it because i heard shit like caribou can just sink inside it with no warning and are unable to get back up, plus its all wet as fuck and its insect heaven and its like walking through really thick mudis muskeg just untraversable? is this why nobody lives or goes off road anywhere in northern ontario? just because of this swamp-like abomination?
>>2840291They has this shit all over norway and scotland and it's a bitch to walk through, my dog kept sinking through it LOL. The best method is to aim for the tall bunched up grass because all the roots seem to be structurally strong enough to hold you for a few seconds. I guess you could do the same with the saplingsObligatory bear grylls bog https://youtu.be/V10nUzWJUhI
>>2840291Same way as the animals living there>low surface pressure, snowshoes>long legs that usually touch the bottom, stilts>buoyancy, a life jacket>flight, complex machinesIn general these places just suck to traverse and are avoided if at all possible.
>>2840291just wear your trail runners. you'll be fine.
>>2840450Even moose get stuck in muskeg sometimes, it's hellish terrain.
>>2840411this, we got them in ikea land as well, fucking hellscape
Extremely fun, addictive hobby, I am thinking of becoming one of these degeneratesMy only pet peeve is that, how does the TPU Nylon handle fishing hooks? What are your personal experiences?
>>2836617Very durable for being inflatable, but still can get punctured. I wouldnt agree with the other anon about not worrying about objects, rocks and wood can def scrape and cut the sides. But small abrasions from that are easy to seal. It can also depend on the raft, the more serious whitewater are more durable.
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I'm convinced these are overly hyped up by marketing companies. I had one, it was great other than how big and heavy everything was (alpacka gnarwhal)
>>2840414There are some awesome remote lakes in the adirondacks that you would have a nightmare of a time trying to hump a real boat to.I'm going to upgrade from my current setup for next season and grab a small kayak anchor to bring along for fishing. Casting from and paddling this thing was pretty shitty. Hopefully the packraft thing is an upgrade
>>2840414You got a whitewater boat, of course its gonna weigh more. You could get an alpacka scout that weighs less than half that
As for me, it's the Osprey Nebula
>>2831270You should fucking kill yourself these things SUCK
>>2839444You're looking at least 40L and nothing that big looks "normal" Go camping where you're allowed to and you won't have to stress about dumb shit like this
>>2838678is this a man or a woman
>>2833765>$88For the money, $89USD, you can get a faar better pack. More adjustable, better load distribution, better organization, more advanced materials. Seriously, I have an unissued USGI og surp and it's great for role playing, larp and nostalgia. But there are better packs for the money, especially if you are only looking at a reproduction.
>>2836011Durable, but excessively heavy. Great flex book bag.
can anyone recommend me a good bike for bikepacking? A bike that can handle gravel roads, and offroad, but that is also suitable for traditional bike touring? Preferably also one that can be used as daily comuter to/from work.
>>2840125Get a rear rack and 2 panniers, don't fall for the memes.
>>2840356And what kind of tour should I do first my first one?
>>2840378Northern Russia, settle for nothing less.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaR0vcTFlMA
>>2840448Or eastern Ukraine, right?
>>2838913Not sure if it's different in the USA as it is in Europe but I wouldn't recommend cube to anyone. I'm a store manager for a bike shop in the Netherlands and we are part of a pretty big international chain, meaning we buy and sell LOTS of bikes each year. Cube is really shitty when it comes to warranty and they trie to put everything down to customers fault, even if you have 4 of the same bike's with the same problem in the shop. I've had multiple cases where frames had broken within the first year and it always took more than 6 months for them to refund the bike. We as a chain stopped selling a few specific models from them for this reason and after the contract is due we stop selling cube completely
Whats your favourite climate?
>>2840119Cold, a little sun and rain, but mostly cold
>>2840119Okinawa
>>2840201>Canaries, Japan :O
>>2840119Last October I went from 8000' elevation in the Rocky Mountains - freezing mornings, cold wind and bright sun - straight to the humid swelter of Bangkok. The climate simply is the climate. Humans have always adapted to climatic variation. Sometimes your fingers go numb, and sometimes you drip sweat. It is what it is.
>>2840119Seasons.
In my heart there are two men. The first is primal and wild, a forest dweller living in defiance of nature as a triumphant victor of resource conquest. He can build fire with his hands, slay prey, and reroute river systems. The second owes the bank money and wage slaves away to live a dull, unadventurous, and sterile, life completely devoid of exuberance and vitality. Anons in similar spirits, how do you cope?
>>2836366Back to plebbit, larper. If you could do half of that, you wouldn't be indebted.And for all the kiddos reading this thread and now considering suicide: It's not that hard. I live halfway off the land myself, and know a lot of guys doing the same, and we've all gone through more or less the same steps:>finish school, get some further educationuniversity in my case (high IQ and scholarship, would've been stupid not to), but most did tradie stuff where they got paid for learning.>lived with grandparents, or in some cases, parents for the first few years while earning starting money>buy beehives, woodland, orchards or grassland, or a combination thereof, then make some money on the side from thatIt's not much, especially while working, but having 200€ or so extra a month gets you a bit further, and more importantly, any food you harvest yourself, you don't have to buy.>at 25-30, buy a house with a large garden, usually from grandparents (or their heirs, if they've already died), sometimes friends, and in one case a coworker of mine helped some old guy with houserepairs a few times, and then got that guys house for 1€ shortly before his death, just so the kids who'd neglected him wouldn't get itGenerally in the hinterlands, where houses are cheaper - in my case, I got a bit lucky, and by next year (once the inheritance stuff is settled), can buy my dead grandmas farm right at the edge of the forest, where all the tourists go.>at this point, some debt is to be expected, but it's usually at a level where it can be paid off in 5 years or so, and you've already got a house, large garden, and the farming / logging operation you started earlier. Pay off the debt, while increasing the size of your farming. If like me, you're in a tourist area, consider renting for some extra cashBy 35 at the latest, you can be independent, and fully living of the land.My current situation (29yo):Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2836513Yeah, and that's a good thing. Feverish attempts to prolong life are the ultimate futility. Might as well embrace your decline and try to live moderately healthy so you don't suffer more than necessary.
>>2836427>nature is constant rolling directionless chaos, stop anthropomorphizing it,Nature can be tamed. It was given to man by God, and all the creatures that crawl, swim or fly are for my to own. The land can be stripped, shaped, molded, and contained into man's desire and whim. It only exists for our pleasure, profit and consumption. Reread Genesis and become closer to The Truth:>Genesis 1:28 (KJV): "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth".
>>2839250Gee I'll just make myself 10 years younger and pick up a pair of rich grandparents at the storeAll my problems are solved thanks anon
>>2836366Youre a faggot. Primal my ass.
I got stung by a bee yesterday while watering flowers at work. I felt really tired on the way home, which I heard was normal, then proceeded to eat dinner (I was sneezing by this point), go to sleep earlier than usual, and then woke up an hour later from my "nap". I sat up and felt super congested, sneezy etc, with what could best be described as an "allergy cough" you'd get from something like hay fever. But I never once felt like I couldn't breathe (save for the congestion) and had no feeling of shortness of breath when not breathing out of my nose. I took some ibuprofen and the sneeziness went away soon after. >tl;dr Should I still see an allergist? I work outdoors and while I've been stung before I don't wanna randomly drop dead from something as preventable as a bee sting.
>>2840344You probably have undiagnosed HIV that is complicating your VERY MINOR wound. Get tested at your local clinic and glove up for sex, assuming you have any. Protip, don't try to pick up girls at the clinic, they are there for the same reason you are.
>>2840349Yeah yeah, I know, you're right! Hell, it might even be rabies for all I know!!!
>>2840351Nope, definitely HIV. t. EMT
>>2840344Sounds about normal. Tough it out and your immune system will be stronger.
>>2840367Oh, I'm not afraid of pain, don't worry. I just wanna know if I had a normal reaction or if I'm in some kind of dangerous cohort. Thanks for the reply. Still likely going to see an allergist for knowledge's sake.
has anyone ever encountered one of these things? and also, how do i avoid getting killed by one?
I had a pack come to my camp and try to drive me away. It was my fault for leaving food out, but still. My yelling and banging pots together was met with them grunting and coming closer.Eventually they left but now I never take it for granted that boars will just run from me.
Saw one walking along the shoulder of the road last night.Unfortunately I was in the car. If I had been in my truck I would have just smashed it with the ranch hand.Little bastard disnt even flinch at traffic. Looked like a young male that recently got booted from a sounder.
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>>2832925Every part of this sounds great
Recently moved to JC, TN from the west coast, life is good here. While I enjoy my comfy times and walking to the grocery store again, I don't know where to start exploring here.Any tips, do I start here in Appalachia or do I go right to the Smokys? Any good day hikes?
>>2840168>Any tipsso you fell for the soouthern culture meme. the first thing i would tell you is to stick with your fellow carpetbaggers. when locals talk to you they any kindness is fake, they are just trying to figure out what they can get from you. and if you help them they will become like a stray dog you fed and keep coming back. welfare and painpills are very very important to southerners because of the yankees, lots and lots of them believe readin is for yankees. the one thing you could do to make all the locals absolutely live you is tell them you are a pain management doctor since the pain management doctor is the most important thing to these junkies, they all got the vax because their pain management doctor controls their every move by holding their opioid prescription over their head. good luck anon.
>>2840186Do I take advantage of them back? I notice they seem turned off that I don't speak with them much.
>>2840168You know it's an American city when you see fifty cars for every human in a public space.>>2840223Drug usage has ruined Americans. In some places, nearly half of adults you see are on some kind of psychotropic medication. That's why so many people just seem "off".
WHAT city???!!!!!!
>>2840306>Johnson City
Is /out/ brave enough to pick up a wild snake?
>>2835476Nearly all rattlesnake bites occur when people are fucking with the snake. Rattlesnakes stand their ground, they don't chase you. >>2835480Here at 8000' in Colorado we have little garter snakes. Sometimes they headbutt you when you pick them up, but they're completely harmless. I've never seen any other species of snake at this elevation.
>>2835476I do it all the time, I give venomous ones their space though
>>2840213captive bred snakes make better pets
>>2839407Yep thats the book.Entire series is badass.Every /out/ist should have atleast the Reptile & Amphibian, the Birds and the Trees.Bonus points for Rocks & Minerals, Butterflies, Wildflowers and Insects & Spiders.
>>2835476I have picked up plenty of snakes and I will eventually die. No news here.
I want to go on a 4-5 day tent hike anywhere in the Alps. I’d like a place that’s not overcrowded and doesn’t require walking under cable cars or crossing busy streets.A day dedicated to a peak with some scrambling or easy climbing would be cool too.I'm not necessarily looking for concrete routes, but more so advice on how to plan a trip like this. I can't find anything that fits my requirements.I live in Switzerland, but ironically it seems like a terrible place for a multi day hike like this.
>>2840131Mate I'm not trying to be a dick here, but if you need to ask, you either need more experience, or to go with someone more experienced.
>>2840271Nah, there wouldn't be any point in going with someone more experienced (again) because it doesn't teach me how to plan the hike.
>>2840195if you are entirely unable to use a car how can you expect to hike somewhere without tons of roads and civilization everywhere. One of your requirements is a train or bus station lmao. Yes using MASS transport it will be hard to get away from the masses
>>2840280In Europe, the public transport network is much more developed than in the US. Just because some regional bus takes you to a place doesn't necessarily mean it's sprawling with tourists.Still, fair point.
>>2840195>it doesn't have a ton of tourists like the mont blanc region. You're not avoiding tourists in the Alps, especially if you go in summer and in a national park>it looks like anything interesting requires a car to reach.Iirc there are bus lines that run in the tourist season for the hikersYou should just call the local tourist office of wherever you wanna go desu, they'll know better than a random anon
This thread is a place to talk about outdoor climbing in any aspect (trad, sport, bouldering, aid, alpine, etc). Help out by sharing trip reports, photos, advice, etc.Climbing is inherently dangerous but so are lots of things. Climb at your own risk.Off-belay: >>2812365 (fuck mods)/xs/ thread:>>>/xs/224473There is no such thing as A5: https://youtu.be/boQHYBhlOcs?si=y66caNWQeZoVn4Tv
Next site, same shit, another antenna replacement.
Shitty old antenna down. 120ft, site's a little over 10k elevation. I stood on the top rail of the tower and bear-hugged the antenna while my other climber got it rigged to the load line and broke the mounts free. I kept it out of the tower and guided it down till my ground crew/tag lines had a handle on it. Still have a feedline issue, replacing that next week.Probably going to make my new kids do that tower climb and work, it'll be an easy job and there's plenty of headroom for rigging. No sketchy shit required either.
>>2828589How old is that?I climb outside around the state and at two different commercial gyms in my city.I consistently climb up to 12b on a top rope and lead at 11b-11c in both indoor settings and roughly a half grade lower outdoors.I think there may have been a moment of widespread inflationary grade change at some point in the past.But it's been consistent for the 10 years or so I've been climbing.
>>2816163A via ferrata is an "iron road", consisting of a steel cable firmly attached to a mountain cliff. You find them throughout the Italian Alps wherever there was heavy fighting during WWI. The Italians maintained and improved the routes soldiers (on both sides) took to their battle positions ever since. They're tried and tested every year for safety.That doesn't mean they're safe though. Or that you can try your hand at vie ferrate first, and progress to "real climbing" later. Some are insane, even with today's gear. Some you can't even reach without proper mountaineering.They're phenomenal though, especially in the Dolomites. You get magnificent views, go past cities dug in (former) glaciers and through tunnels cut into the mountains. And once you reach the top you realize there used to be an enemy on the mountain in front of you, firing cannons at your face. And you wonder how on earth they managed to get cannons up to where you're standing right now. That's a via ferrata.
>>2840028Have fun man! I’ve got some buddies down there. Stop by the bush gardens. Big line going up soon. I’m on the other side of the country or I’d come say what’s up.
I think I am going to start bow hunting this year. I have woods behind my house that has some decent sized bucks. I have an old compound bow that is 25ish years old. Anyone have a recommendation on a bow? I would like something up to 85 pound draw. What do you shoot? What do you hunt?
>>2837818this so much this
Got the self climber, deer are about to get droppedI've got lots of rope, carbineers, belay devices, and harnesses left over from boy scouts and the army. So I'm fucking golden to go way super far back in the woods opening day at like 3am and climb way up a fucking tree, safely lolPractically counting down the daysCoworker sold me this bad boy for $75. He bought it brand new for $300 something and used it a single time, and hung it in his garage for the last couple years. It's dusty as hell but its mint. It barely even has scuffs on the cables.
>>2839222The gayest possible way to huntBe a man and spot and stalk
>>2839239If you can't do it all, youre even gayerI do all the hunting, all the kinds. While I love a solo stalk or a drive with family. Being 30' up a tree on a specific part of this specific public land near me is the place to be this year. I just know it, and I'm gonna get it. I've been scouting this area a lot over the last few years, and I know opening week of bow season is going to be popular. Where I'm gonna be set up, at least 4 or 5 hours early then sleep till hunting time, all of the joe shmo's who really only stick to within a few hundred feet of established trails. They should shake everything up, in my direction where I'll be sitting there chilling.Do it all anon, stop limiting yourself
>>2839222Climbers are the way to go esp for public. Practice with it before you go out though so you know the right tree thiccness for you so you know what to look for. It will also let you adjust the seat to your liking.Also get a ratchet strap for the bottom platform. Having it secured to the tree makes the hunt faaaar more comfortable since it removes all worry and rattle of that bottom platform. Just three cranks and that bitch will be dug in. Top one doesn't need to be secured. Both the top and bottom can be strapped together with it too for transport so the metal isn't banging when you're walking.Put a folding saw in your pack too. Even a perfect looking tree can have a little bitch sticking out that you need to trim off.I have a few climbers scatter around my property. I like them better than perm stands. I'm able to move a few trees down if that is where the deer are coming from and even moving just 10 yards can make all the difference.
Time to settle the great debate for goodWhich one is better for the outdoors?
>>2835148>For example all of the “nature” in the PNW is actually just clear cut logging plantations. Lol, lmao even. Within one hour I can camp a glacier, hit volcanoes, catch a ferry to multiple islands or go to the only temperate rainforest, but yes the PNW is only clear cut forest left. Except wait many of the areas known for wilderness in the PNW are in fact parks. Yes I know theres more acreage of harvest area in the clear regions, but you're a fool if you think the Olympic Peninsula is nothing but harvest trees
>>2840207Most of the ancient trees on earth (1,000-5,000 years old) are in the U.S.Europoors just cant comprehend the size of the U.S.We have clear cut forests larger than their country while at the same time have pristine old growth forests that are larger than their country.I have a friend from Britian who is just amazed when we drive through the country side. We have more trees on the side of the freeway than all trees in London.
>>2835079Half of the forests in the American Southeast are pine plantations just like this. I call them toilet paper farms.
>>2840221What you said is simply not true. You obviously have not traveled the American southeast.
>>2840221There are more maple trees in the U.S. than Canada.Once again-The U.S. is so massive that we have renewable pines groves for paper and lumber whose area exceeds most European countries while at the same time have old growth forests that are just as large.