east coast hikes are more hardcore than west coast hikes
true and giga based
>>2852216I jump over the fence onto the grass at the first chance, so much more enjoyable to walk even on spongy muddy grass. I've never enjoyed walking on artificial material to be honest.
hikes are hikes
>>2852174no
>>2852174>hardcoreHow would you know?
is the hiking to mountaineering pipeline or the climbing to mountaineering pipeline more common?
>>2852304why not both? my goal currently is to get into mountaineering and i do this through hiking, where i have ascended two smallish peaks more or less accidently, which left such a big impression on me that i am hooked. none of those peaks where in my home country though. so now, bouldering is a way for me to develop skills for future ascends. mountaineering essentially is a mix of both hiking and climbing anyway.
It's depends on the "kind" of mountaineering. There's a large amount of "mountaineering" that doesn't involve "climbing on rock or ice" in the strictest sense of class 5 routes needing trad gear or ice pro, but still involves technical roped glacier travel. There's also a large amount of "climbing" which doesn't involve "mountains" (or even the outdoors for that matter). I think what makes the difference between "hiking or scrambling" and "mountaineering" in most people's minds, though, is whether the route is at least in some way "technical". In this sense, rock climbers often have an advantage because they understand technical rope systems and protection, are often more comfortable with exposure, etc. All a climber has to do to be "mountaineering" is be climbing a route to the summit of a mountain. Conversely, when a hike becomes a mountaineering objective can be a bit fuzzier. I've heard some people say it's "big glaciated peaks" that makes it mountaineering. I've heard some say it's any time any sort of "protection" comes out, even if that's just an ice axe. So some would say scrambling isn't mountaineering because there's no protection involved . But ironically, the American Alpine Club doesn't recognize scrambling as distinct from climbing at all, and in their yearly Journal of Climbing Accidents they list the "secondary cause" for all scrambling-related accidents as "Free-Soloing" since they just see it as a form of unroped climbing (Anton Chigura: "which it is"). There's also a healthy pipeline from backcountry skier/split-boarder to mountaineer, FWIW.Mountaineering tends to be very outdoor interdisciplinary. In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgame.
I do feel like there's some kind of split between climbing and mountaineering bros on one side, and hiking, trail running and thruhiking on the other. The former is a "sportier" approach to the outdoors and the latter is more "wow nature is so amazing" hippie/naturalist type. Ironically, a lot of ultralight hiking tech was invented by the same guy who invented cams.I feel like there are a lot more hikers than climbers, so by that virtue alone there are more hiker/mountaineers, but I'm a hiker/casual mountaineer so I'm a bit biased. I've heared bouldering and sport climbing is very popular these days.
>>2852304Probably hiking to mountaineering. I've seen more people go from mountaineering to rock climbing than the other way around. >>2852363>In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgameIt would be cool to see an /out/ skill tree diagram showing the different paths you could take. Like hiking to backpacking to winter backpacking to mountaineering. Or hiking to scrambling to rock climbing to mountaineering. The hiking to mountain biking pipeline is also big.
>>2852399The anything to mountain biking pipeline is big because boomers and millennials went nuts with mountain bikes during COVID even though they were supposed to be "staying home". Remember Year of the Bike and all that?
Last thread >>2827097This is a thread for enjoying a pipe while doing outdoor activities. If you ask why this belongs on /out/, you've never spentan evening by the campfire with a pipe silently enjoying the nature around you, and you're missing out.>how to get startedPurchase a corn cob pipe (or a cheap briar pipe) and a pouch of Half and Half or Captain Black tobacco from a smoke shopor online. You will need a lighter or match, and something to tamp it with--a large nail works well if you don't have a pipe tool.Fill the pipe with tobacco, pack it down halfway, top it off, pack it down to 3/4, top it off again, pack gently and enjoy. Smokeslower than you think you need to, the tobacco tastes best when it is burning cool. Tamp and re-light as needed. If you stillhave trouble, try different methods on YouTube until you find one that works for you.>smoking a pipe will give you cancerOriginally the Surgeon General found that pipe and cigar smokers, following a careful study of the statistics (at a time whenmost adults smoked, so they had a good sample size), had insignificant death rate increases. Nowadays, tobacco is beinglegislated against while hard drugs are being legalized. Put two and two together. Tobacco is just another good thing under attack by the government.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2852292i'd imagine keeping it in a more identifiable container would help, like the difference between it being in a ziploc bag vs. an actual brand pouch
>>2852292I came back from Peru with 2 wetbags literally full of tobacco and no one said anything about it. On the other side, I've imported tobacco from Peru and have had my packages slashed and ripped open. Still received it, just damaged by people looking for drugs.
>>2852287just make sure it's not too humid so it doesn't get more moldy and remove visible mold, also keep it away from other tobaccos
>>2852292i'd keep it in the original box if you have it
>>2852296>>2852298>>2852356Thanks bros, I don't have the OG packaging since the shop I buy it from sells in bulk, but least I can do is mark it and stash it along with my smoking gear in my checked bag.
Sup /out/, went camping (at a wilderness campsite) recently to try out some winter gear. Sleeping bag, sleeping pad, and the rewaterproofing on my tent held up really well. One issue I had, was that while there were plenty of big logs available, there was no tinder or kindling and I had to use my swiss army knife to baton massive pieces of firewood to start a fire. This was fucking atrocious work and I realise I need a good fixed blade knife. Now I've got it in my head to get a big knife or a hatchet, picrel is available in a very decent 6 inch blade and this beauty of a 10 inch blade. As much as I know 6 inch is probably fine, my gorilla brain is telling me to get this big fucking thing, then I don't even need a hatchet and can carry the SKA for small tasks/multitool. Convince me otherwise before I drop serious money on this thing.
>>2850852I just woke up, but right now I feel that wielding a giant knife is perfectly fine for any peaceful man. And indeed having a large gleaming blade in the middle of the woods would be a lot of fun on a psychological level. Huzzah!I still wouldn't baton with it. I'd sit there and think about it and then just make a large pile of wood with a saw. But I would swish the air with it and say a few lines from Rambo. They are meme knives right? Have fun.
>>2851732I already have a junglee short sword for that and before anyone yaps:https://youtu.be/YfpxS4_JnEA?si=ffgZT1jqoppMRod8
>>2850928I like the austrian design stubaiThey have one of the best feeling handles of any blade I've used or ownedThat pommel guard makes it fucking amazing to hold, and also a joy to catch, if one is so inclined to casually juggle their knife while workingYou can essentially spin that fucker around one fingerVery fun to wieldExcellent full tang steelUsing it in thick bush definitely made me understand why this knife shape exists, and I can only imagine how good using it in full jungle would be.
>>2851712Recon is better.
>>2850852Do you plan on fighting large game/predators in close combat?If no, you don't need one.
I am coming up with a lil thru hike idea. Hike what would start out to be a lore accurate path of the Fallout New Vegas courier from california to the building the lucky 38 is based off of in Vegas, mostly following the lore accurate path, but hitting a few side locations. It might end up being more of a route than a trail, but this is the general route I had in mind. Hike from the "Mojave Outpost" (Mountain Pass) up through primm and then to Goodsprings, then east down to Nipton, over to Searchlight, and then north hitting a few notable irl equivilent locations for the Nelson the ghost town, Helios One, Novac, and then go through Boulder City to Hoover Dam and then over into Vegas.I have thru hiked a few times before, but not in the desert. I am aware water is a significant consideration here. Luckily many of the locations/towns are within a days walk of each other at my pace, although some places appear to have gaps where natural water or civilization/faucets would be.What would you consider changing about the route, or anything your would specifically add? I am aware there is a lot of public land, but also a significant amount of private land like on the solar farms and military bases.
>>2852339
neat idea but if I'm remembering new vegas correctly, there was a whole lot open space full of nothing particularly interesting
>>2852339Most of that is private land, but I assume you're going to be walking the dirt roads so you're basically just hitchhiking
If someone challenged you to spend the night in the woods using either a pillow fort or blanket fort (NO TENT OR TARP), how would you go about the challenge?
I've been training for this day since I was a small child.
>>2849468A tent is a pillow fort.
>>2849841>a PoPtArT iS a SaNdWiCh
>>2849855cereal is soup
>>2849468right now? blankets could help to build a pretty sweet quinzhee
I live not far from here, im upsetti spaghetti, whats a nigga to do in order to stop this senseless abuse of the natural world
>>2844788It's your land and the land of your kids too.
>>2844792I have bad news for you.
>>2844340Your OP picture implies you clearly know what to do and are just looking for aproval.Do it faggot
>>2844700what about conserving white ppl
>>2844340i cant wait to use all these new access roads to do some prospecting. There's so much territory out there in Alaska thats not staked yet that needs investigating.
the greatest /out/ youtuber is back. did we miss him?
>>2848219Bro that is not apetor, apetor got trapped under ice and drowned we are never getting him back.
>>2851763I think what is missing from this thread, is he is rarely very deep in the bush and does most of his stuff near a vehicle or some kind of support system to get him. Along with always having a garmin device to send SOS, but yes it is still dangerous. However as others mentioned he is an actual Alaskan with decades of experience, a scout master, and has even been invited to participate in a military SERE program as a civilian. So I think he is plenty credentialed, and he is not a total gear queer about it. Uses the same clothes, equipment, and drives a fucking kia.
>>2851977What was the Kei truck that he had?
>>2848219I saw one clip of him in sub-arctic temperatures with his single digit-aged kid and thought that was irresponsible and was just worried. It's an experience of a lifetime for the kid, to be sure, but one mistake and he would be dead.>>2848895>>2850786basically these two points
>>2851081I call him Steve too. I have an ad blocker and Sponsor Block. I am subscribed but not a member. I have never and likely will never give Steve any money or buy anything with his coupon code, should he ever get one.
>>2848354What does this mean?
>>2843535Bullshit. Noone ties knot at the end what f the rope when reppeling.They all do roels by sections and use the correct length of rope.He must have used the wrong rope.
>>2843514Fifteen years ago you couldn't get service on much of Kilimanjaro but the summit had pretty good service. Guess the towers down in Moshi were a direct line of sight up there.
>>2843774but you dont understand 4chinz is my seekret hyperborea cuddlebox :(((
>>2852328modern 4chan users fomo so hard about missing 4chan at it's prime they'll double down on shit we said 10 years ago as if it's still relevant in modern day because some faggot on twitter said so
Why haven't you gone winter camping yet this season /out/?What, are you scared of a little cold?
I'm thinking about doing a local trail (the last 1000ft or so are well snowed in at this point) I regularly do as a day hike, but as an overnight. There's some cool hikes in the vicinity I could do morning of day 2 too. But I've never been snow camping and I have one of those non-free standing tents. I hear they can work ok though. Do I need to do anything special beyond packing warmer clothes and a warmer sleeping bag? My quilt is 20 degrees but it might dip a little below that, will wearing my belay parka be enough to make the difference? Or is it smarter to use it as a blanket? (Yes, I am scared of a little cold)
>>2852266Long, warm underwear is usually the best for sleeping in quilts/sleeping bags.And you'll need a decent air mattress. Nothing's worse than having to sleep on a cold ground.
>>2848380I live in Florida, so winter is my favorite time of year to camp.
>>2852247Spoken like someone that has no money.
>>2848380there is no point in responding to any of your threads because you view anyone that even disagrees with you slightly as seethe.
Post your /out/ edc kit.Just pretend the sleeping bag is a hammock and this is mine
link just in case https://innawoods.net
isn't this more of a /k/ thing?
Some examples of living The Barefoot Life: -Practicing movement in bare feet (walking, running, crawling, climbing, kicking, lifting, carrying etc.) in a variety of environments -Wearing shoes/orthotics as much as needed to manage load while gradually transitioning to more minimalist footwear and barefoot activities -Growing your own food - either at home or in a community setting -Prioritising recovery and sleep after lots of movement and skill learning -Spending time experiencing and appreciating nature -Active meditation through mindful movement or breath work e.g. beam challenges, box breathing -Walking to a farmers market to connect with the people who grow your food -Creating and using designated movement spaces at home/work/school -Deliberate exposure to discomfort e.g. hot/cold, fasting, ground sitting/sleeping/movement, learning new skills etc. -Spending quality in-person time connecting with friends/family and your broader community
>>2849777I think women should have to wash my bare feet with their hair.
>>2849510https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0003.html>“Now this, monks, is the noble truth of stress: Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, and despair are stressful; association with the unbeloved is stressful, separation from the loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging aggregates are stressful.>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming, accompanied by passion and delight, relishing now here and now there, i.e., craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Contents.html>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading and cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, and letting go of that very craving."The unfabricated, the end,the effluent-less, the true, the beyond,the subtle, the very-hard-to-see,the ageless, permanence, the undecaying,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2849510OP here, here's my feet
>>2849510Barefoot - hippy left wing neoliberal idiotic thend.Look he was also walking barefoot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSXzt81CAQ
>>2852251i dont live in africa lol
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Do you bushcraft when you're /out/?
People who litter in the trees are scum.People who make cairns and "develop" the woodland are a sickening human virus on the land.People who build a small personal shelter and do some respectful bushcrafting are alright.
>>2849030>>2851966Post hand is a glowie tactic to get people to leak personal information (freckles/scars, body size, writing style, stuff in the background, etc.). Only fools fall for that.
>>2852026This is an actual war crime, by the way. Not just some little misdemeanor. If you get caught you are gonna do hard time in a federal 'pound me in the ass' prison.
>>2849126in the same sense that not shoplifting is cuckoldry applied to mom and pop antique stores maybe
>>2846366>Do you LARP as a trapper?
Does anyone have experience growing mushrooms in compost? I know it's possible, probably not optimal, but I don't really want to get whole new setups and source some manure or anything. I've read how grains are often the ideal starter so my plan is to just cook a couple cups of barley, let it cool, and then generously mix it into some of my homemade compost (good stuff) with a bunch of grain spawn, keep it moist and covered for a while and see what happens - just hoping for a little feedback on the plan, i don't want to spend hours on YT trying to find someone whose done specifically that.I can cope with a little failed experiment in the garden here and there but i could get like 10 seed packets for the price of the mushroom spawns I'm a bit less gung-ho about it. I half-arsed started growing food last year and I've impressed myself with how much I've produced. I'm still a noob but I'm looking to really double down next year and I'm definitely interested in growing some mushies
>>2852235To use grain to create grain spawn to grow mushrooms, you first need a clean mycelium culture of the mushrooms you want to grow and sterilized cooked grain. You would then add this culture to the grain and allow it to completely cover your grain and then add that to a substrate. If you just throw cooked grain into your compost, it'll just get eaten by faster reproducing microorganisms like bacteria and mold.It is possible to grow mushrooms in compost, but it's not the best substrate for them because it's already colonized by bacteria, mold and mycelium from the environment. A fresh bed of wood chips or straw would work better. FYI, most mushrooms do not want or need manure to grow. Most commercially grown mushrooms are spawned to grain and added to a substrate of coco coir and vermiculite.Check out shroomery.org. Look for teks in the gourmet and medicinal mushroom sub forum.
