I think my coldest /out/ was a sleigh ride in -14°C when I was a kid. The coldest I've ever been outside for a few minutes was -22°C.
>>2852347that would be greati usually wear a fur hat and fur lined hood under -30 just to keep the frost from building up. it's pretty nice
>>2851770almost -20 °C for one night when i was stranded on a tiny train station in the middle of nowhere because the fucking deutsche bahn doesn't function when it's a bit cold
>>2851770I started a hike at 10F (-12C) today. Never hiked in that kind of weather before. Also my first time hiking in snow. Not as bad as I thought it would be. I removed my fleece like 10 minutes into the hike. The only thing I had trouble keeping warm was my hands. I think the handwarmers i brought were duds or I didn't activate them correctly.My lips are a bit irritated after the fact though. I used chapstick thoroughly not sure how to prevent that.
>>2851819Nigger
>>2852571>The only thing I had trouble keeping warm was my handsJust get sufficiently thick mittens.
I want to try mountaineering but I'm scared of heights
>>2852542You don't have to start on steep grades and exposed ridges.Start with easy trails and get accustomed to being high up.
>>2852542>nature's is JFC >>2852545That's just hiking.
>>2852548>That's just hiking.You have to start somewhere.
As someone who was also pretty fuckin scared of heights (and still is, depending on the situation) but now helps teach a mountaineering course:Start off scrambling (aka "spicy hiking"). Keep it below Class 3. Learn to orienteer, you can get lost as fuck off trail.A decent amount of mountaineering doesn't actually involve much exposure to heights. A lot of mountaineering is just about glacier travel and off-trail navigation in the alpine. You can climb, for instance, all five of the WA Volcanos without any actual class 5 rock or ice. That doesn't mean there aren't sketchy sections with big run-outs, just pointing out that "mountaineering" != "hiking + rock climbing" like a lot of people think it is. It's kinda a different set of skills, with some overlap, but it's not the same thing.Working on balance can help a lot with a fear of heights. Fear of heights is actually fear if falling. Do a lot of balance exercise.Of course exposure therapy helps too. Try rock climbing outdoors. The best exposure therapy is rappelling. Find some local top-rope crag and rappell until it's automatic. But never practice repelling without an instructor, at least not the first 50 or so times.Endurance is huge for mountaineering. Weighted uphill hikes are the best way to train. Don't waste time with anything else.
>>2852548>That's just hiking.Most mountaineering is just hiking that then turns into class 3 or 4 scrambling. Gotta walk before you can crawl.
I'm going to post birds here that I see from my dinning room window. I might post some from other locations too.
>>2852155>what the birds see when they look into OP's window.
>>2852167They get lost easily compared to other birds, their homing instinct can be fucky. Just to let you know. If you're taking it anywhere near outdoors train it to know you by a whistle (an actual whistle) so that it can find its way home.Too many parrots have "flown away" over the years.
>>2852155We posting birbs?
>>2852155It's hard to take birb pic with a phone
>>2852202I saw one of these fly by me, and now I have to buy a camera and lense and hunt it down to get some pictures.
Cave diggers will never get a girlfr.... wat?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qEfSmWfwm0
>>2850072when picrel happened, only creatures able to get close to the stuck 6 feet guy were 5 feet manlets and women
>>2850220were they able to get in there with him?
>>2850249only 1-2 guys at a time were able to get nearby him, only 1 person right next to him at a time. some rescuers were able to partially squeeze right next to him into the crack to tie rope to his legs or later around his waist (though they report it was very difficult to do so).>About 5 hours later Spencer called me up and asked me to respond, saying that people were getting tired and they really needed small cavers. >After stabilizing myself by jamming my body into a narrower section of the crack I began speaking to John...>I went first to check, just in case the paramedic couldn’t fit. I first tried the stethoscope and was only able to get it about 3 inches up and to the right of his naval. I didn’t hear a distinct heart beat, only some ruffling, fluttering sounds that were probably a result of me shaking as I tried to steady myself in an awkward location. I then jammed my hand between the rock and pressed as far up his torso I could go to feel for breathing.https://www.brandonkowallis.com/2024/02/the-nutty-putty-cave-rescue-the-death-of-john-jones-one-rescuers-perspective/you can check his report, there are also some cool diagrams and photos
>>2850087does not work
>>2849213In canada women indulge whatever hobby their husbando might be into , even digging a fucking cave. Holy fuck america is so fucked right now
Apart from like a handful of shorter hikes, I haven't actually been properly outing. I mean like going out somewhere actually wild where I can sit in my own thought, take in nature, cook food and sleep.I'm not even sure why, it happened after I moved to this place. I was planning on doing it last spring, just finding a place in a forest or some place, but the weather was just so shit, it's always shit here, maybe that's why
nigga just go outside. its not exactly difficult.
>>2851383Life gets in the way anon. I'm in the same boat, my last expedition to anywhere remote was over two years ago, and probably that was my last field recording as well.I moved back to the city and although I live right at the edge of a national park in the outskirts, it's not the same. I can go on nice bushwalks right outside the house but all I do is work these days and I just don't have the time I used to have for my outdoor hobbies. It kind of sucks, but I guess it's a matter of motivation. Also I drink on weekend nights and that wastes half the weekend because I'm lying around the first half of each day being a piece of shit.
>>2851501>Life gets in the way anon ... but all I do is work these days and I just don't have the time I used to have for my outdoor hobbies.Why?I'm leaving next week for an eleven-day hiking trip in New Zealand with five of my mates and while it's easy enough for self-employed ass to take time off whenever, three of the others are doctors, all right at the point in their careers where they're working their asses off the absolute most. Fuck, one of them is doing a PhD alongside his ICU residency. Another is newly married and had to book flights to visit his in-laws on the way. If we can coordinate a trip like that then surely you can rustle up a few days for a trip on your own.
Are you going /out/ this weekend anon?
>>2851383Pick place that has good weather this weekend that you can drive to in five hours or less. Look up campsites NOW. Look up trails on altrails for that area NOWLeave in a few hours.
Recommendations for rain coats that can also protect from wind? Don't want to spend a sexy chunk of cash for bullshit
>>2852085ive had this guy cotten anorak for a few years of sailing and kayaking, it works great but holy hell you get warm and sweaty in it
>>2852098no its captain highliner.
>>2852178Do you not layer with wool?
>>2852180oh yeah, all my layers are wool in fact, but even just a wool singlet is enough to be a hot sweaty mess
>>2852077Poncho with a woobie
Is this the best area for /out/heads to live?
Fuck off we're empty (and we like it that way)
>>2851307That doesn’t look like Alaska to me.
>>2851321>life that is entirely centered around survival larpyou do know what forum you are on right now right? this is our bread and butter
Why is Patagonia so surreal and beautiful? And why does it look somewhat like Dolomites?
>>2852442Patagonia is the end of the world, or at least the end of the combined American continent, a mystical place, the final checkpoint before continuing through the gauntlet of the Drake Passage and on to the frozen hellscape of Antarctica
Share with anons and get ideas.I make breakfast oat bombs. In a bag I put 100g of oats, 25g of milk powder, 25g of coconut milk powder and 20g of brown sugar one bag for each breakfast and eaten warm. Sometimes I will crumble a bit of my homemade vanilla short bread into it. With 6 inch flour tortillas, salami, dry aged parmesan, powdered tomato, olive oil and some paprika + garlic I cook quesidillas or put it all together cold. I cook simple mini pizzas with the same ingredients. Dinners are less routine. Sometimes I do the a laksa with the paste and 100g of capellini + everything else or I use instant mash potato and throw in everything.Eventually I am going to test out blending macadamia nuts into a butter and adding it to each of my meals. Has anyone here ever done that before?
>>2851540Sorry anon. You need to actually go out to comment on a thread about camp meals.I tend to just go for dehydrated meals or ramen for dinner, trail mix and cliff bars for lunch, and quicks oats with a squeeze of peanut butter for breakfast.Need to start being a bit more creative but my last trip was 7 days of pretty long hiking so I was preoccupied with weight.
>>2851660>You need to actually go out to comment on a thread about camp meals.
>go /out/ camping with friend who has never been before>pay for everything before, tell him the only rule is that he shan’t talk to me until I’ve had my coffee>wake up next morning>haven’t had my coffee>he tries talking to meMy reaction when What are some things that piss you off while /out/?
You sound like a faggot
>>2851677OP is a massive faggot. His ass was probably full of cum from the night before. He probably was going to dispense some into his coffee as substitute creamer. OP isn't afraid of bears. He makes sure his tent is rainbow colored and has a trail of food leading to it. There very well could be someone gayer than OP out there, but OP's level of faggotry is so profound that it is incredibly unlikely that I will ever encounter anything like it again. Out there in the far reaches of some African jungle or in the depths of a Dutch disco hall, you might find someone gayer than OP. Try as you might, you'd probably get infected and die of AIDS before finding a fruitier fudge packer.
>>2851689its ok to be gay but having rigid rules for socialization is harmful
>>2851663>What are some things that piss you off while /out/?Litter.
>Pay for everything beforeWhy pay money when you can do it for free
is the hiking to mountaineering pipeline or the climbing to mountaineering pipeline more common?
>>2852304why not both? my goal currently is to get into mountaineering and i do this through hiking, where i have ascended two smallish peaks more or less accidently, which left such a big impression on me that i am hooked. none of those peaks where in my home country though. so now, bouldering is a way for me to develop skills for future ascends. mountaineering essentially is a mix of both hiking and climbing anyway.
It's depends on the "kind" of mountaineering. There's a large amount of "mountaineering" that doesn't involve "climbing on rock or ice" in the strictest sense of class 5 routes needing trad gear or ice pro, but still involves technical roped glacier travel. There's also a large amount of "climbing" which doesn't involve "mountains" (or even the outdoors for that matter). I think what makes the difference between "hiking or scrambling" and "mountaineering" in most people's minds, though, is whether the route is at least in some way "technical". In this sense, rock climbers often have an advantage because they understand technical rope systems and protection, are often more comfortable with exposure, etc. All a climber has to do to be "mountaineering" is be climbing a route to the summit of a mountain. Conversely, when a hike becomes a mountaineering objective can be a bit fuzzier. I've heard some people say it's "big glaciated peaks" that makes it mountaineering. I've heard some say it's any time any sort of "protection" comes out, even if that's just an ice axe. So some would say scrambling isn't mountaineering because there's no protection involved . But ironically, the American Alpine Club doesn't recognize scrambling as distinct from climbing at all, and in their yearly Journal of Climbing Accidents they list the "secondary cause" for all scrambling-related accidents as "Free-Soloing" since they just see it as a form of unroped climbing (Anton Chigura: "which it is"). There's also a healthy pipeline from backcountry skier/split-boarder to mountaineer, FWIW.Mountaineering tends to be very outdoor interdisciplinary. In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgame.
I do feel like there's some kind of split between climbing and mountaineering bros on one side, and hiking, trail running and thruhiking on the other. The former is a "sportier" approach to the outdoors and the latter is more "wow nature is so amazing" hippie/naturalist type. Ironically, a lot of ultralight hiking tech was invented by the same guy who invented cams.I feel like there are a lot more hikers than climbers, so by that virtue alone there are more hiker/mountaineers, but I'm a hiker/casual mountaineer so I'm a bit biased. I've heared bouldering and sport climbing is very popular these days.
>>2852304Probably hiking to mountaineering. I've seen more people go from mountaineering to rock climbing than the other way around. >>2852363>In that way, it's kind of the /out/ endgameIt would be cool to see an /out/ skill tree diagram showing the different paths you could take. Like hiking to backpacking to winter backpacking to mountaineering. Or hiking to scrambling to rock climbing to mountaineering. The hiking to mountain biking pipeline is also big.
>>2852399The anything to mountain biking pipeline is big because boomers and millennials went nuts with mountain bikes during COVID even though they were supposed to be "staying home". Remember Year of the Bike and all that?
>>2848354What does this mean?
>>2843535Bullshit. Noone ties knot at the end what f the rope when reppeling.They all do roels by sections and use the correct length of rope.He must have used the wrong rope.
>>2843514Fifteen years ago you couldn't get service on much of Kilimanjaro but the summit had pretty good service. Guess the towers down in Moshi were a direct line of sight up there.
>>2843774but you dont understand 4chinz is my seekret hyperborea cuddlebox :(((
>>2852328modern 4chan users fomo so hard about missing 4chan at it's prime they'll double down on shit we said 10 years ago as if it's still relevant in modern day because some faggot on twitter said so
Some examples of living The Barefoot Life: -Practicing movement in bare feet (walking, running, crawling, climbing, kicking, lifting, carrying etc.) in a variety of environments -Wearing shoes/orthotics as much as needed to manage load while gradually transitioning to more minimalist footwear and barefoot activities -Growing your own food - either at home or in a community setting -Prioritising recovery and sleep after lots of movement and skill learning -Spending time experiencing and appreciating nature -Active meditation through mindful movement or breath work e.g. beam challenges, box breathing -Walking to a farmers market to connect with the people who grow your food -Creating and using designated movement spaces at home/work/school -Deliberate exposure to discomfort e.g. hot/cold, fasting, ground sitting/sleeping/movement, learning new skills etc. -Spending quality in-person time connecting with friends/family and your broader community
>>2849777I think women should have to wash my bare feet with their hair.
>>2849510https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/BuddhasTeachings/Section0003.html>“Now this, monks, is the noble truth of stress: Birth is stressful, aging is stressful, death is stressful; sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, and despair are stressful; association with the unbeloved is stressful, separation from the loved is stressful, not getting what is wanted is stressful. In short, the five clinging aggregates are stressful.>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of stress: the craving that makes for further becoming, accompanied by passion and delight, relishing now here and now there, i.e., craving for sensuality, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.https://www.dhammatalks.org/books/ShapeOfSuffering/Contents.html>“And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading and cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release, and letting go of that very craving."The unfabricated, the end,the effluent-less, the true, the beyond,the subtle, the very-hard-to-see,the ageless, permanence, the undecaying,Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2849510OP here, here's my feet
>>2849510Barefoot - hippy left wing neoliberal idiotic thend.Look he was also walking barefoot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSXzt81CAQ
>>2852251i dont live in africa lol
Do you bushcraft when you're /out/?
People who litter in the trees are scum.People who make cairns and "develop" the woodland are a sickening human virus on the land.People who build a small personal shelter and do some respectful bushcrafting are alright.
>>2849030>>2851966Post hand is a glowie tactic to get people to leak personal information (freckles/scars, body size, writing style, stuff in the background, etc.). Only fools fall for that.
>>2852026This is an actual war crime, by the way. Not just some little misdemeanor. If you get caught you are gonna do hard time in a federal 'pound me in the ass' prison.
>>2849126in the same sense that not shoplifting is cuckoldry applied to mom and pop antique stores maybe
>>2846366>Do you LARP as a trapper?
>My parents are pretty lenient with me when it comes to chores.>Wash my own dishes, put my cloths in the washing machine and that’s about it.>They even fold them for me.>An apology for being too rough with me as a kid I think.>But there is still one chore I do anally, and even if they offered too do it for me I’d still do it myself.>Every year on the first snowfall my trampoline must be taken down. The constant weight of the snow will cause it to stretch and warp otherwise.>If I don’t the cloth will stretch causing it to loose tension and you’ll have to work harder to jump and it won’t be nearly as satisfying to use. A while of that and you need to buy a new net and springs, years of neglect the frame will buckle and you just have to get a whole new trampoline at that point.>When I was a kid my trampoline was my safe space, if my parents were being hard on me or school was stressing me out I’d just climb on in and get lost in my imagination. The weight on my shoulders disappearing in the momentary weightlessness of zero g.>I’d imagine fantasy worlds with wacky characters and if I was angry I’d imagine those characters tearing people apart until the anger brought me to tears or mental exhaustion.>My therapists at the time told my parents that they shouldn’t bother me or attempt to “correct my behavior” while I use it and that its healthy for kids to have a private safe space. To their credit they didn’t.> I’m in my early 20’s now and I’ve never grown out of the thing, it is still my safe space, a place for me to unwind, and now that I think about it my sole source of exercise.>Today is the first snow of winter.
>>2852164 #That's the perfect use case for one of those really shitty ones. Some of my neighbors when I was a kid also had trampolines and they would sag after a year of light use, like what's even the point if you're spending less than a few thousand on a trampoline you're throwing.
>>2852131>But there is still one chore I do anally, and even if they offered too do it for me I’d still do it myself.
>>2852131>Trampoline>TrampIt used to be called a JUMPoline until your mom jumped on it.
i’m sorry for your loss op. maybe you could go to a trampoline park? if you go during a school day it should be relatively quiet
>>2852263Still feels weird. It will probably be full of preschool kids and being an adult in anny setting where kids could be freaks me out. I hate kids. A friend advised that I go to a gymnastics place but I can't imagine sharing my safe space with strangers dedicated to mastering a craft.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/climbing-influencer-dies-live-streaming-140845585.htmlAnybody got the vid
>>2843815Do climbers just leave their gear up there? I never thought about it before but obviously he isn't getting it back down
>>2843789>>2843786>amateurishMany experienced climbers don't bother tying knots at the ends of their ropes when abseiling because they know (or think they know) the rope is long enough.They know they should tie knots, but they don't bother out of laziness or convenience. It's not really a sign of amateurishness.>>2850204No. Usually there is an established anchor up there, like a tree with slings around it, or a proper drilled metal bolt with a metal loop for your rope. For abseiling the rope is doubled and you descend on two strands of the rope. When you are down you can pull on one of the strands and the whole rope comes down. There are also some setups that allow you to create a temporary anchor that comes down with the rope when you pull on a third separate strand or pull on the main rope a few times in a certain way.
>>2843815HE DIDN'T FLY SO GOOD
>>2850218>>2844155falsehoods, don't know what they're talking about>>2843779>>2843789>>2843798the ring of truth
>>2844157These guys have gotten pretty solid sponsorships . Just by looking at the brands the movie starts and ends with.I think they have done it not in an alpine style ascend, haven't they?
