Do you swim in winter? the ocean doesnt freeze here but gets down to around 7 degrees in january/february at its lowest. today it was 9 and pretty comfy. i go multiple times a week and it has really helped me build up my cold tolerance for all /out/ activities. not to mention strengthening my immune system and easing arthritic and tendonitic pains.
>>2855011Not sure if you even check back in this thread, but I think that sounds like a wonderful time. Thanks for sharing.
>>2861148Hey anon I do still visit! Thanks for the comment, it was a weird time and such nice memories. I wish /out/ was busier like it used to be, but at least we're all still here
>>2849494the sea temperature website for my town says that since the water never gets above 20 degrees celsius at any point of the year it is NOT suitable for comfortable swimming smfh how sad and pathetic is the average human
>>2862723Lmao, yep. I was out canoeing in a state park a few years ago without a lifejacket and when I got to shore a super fucking ornery ranger was waiting for me, and he dressed me down for the water being ONLY 19ºC and without a lifejacket I would lock-up and go into shock and die if I fell in the water. He didn't fine me but hot damn that man was angry, Kept talking about how he had to pull-out the dead body of "vietnamese priest" who pulled the same stunt as me and died in the water. Whatever man I grew up in New England and used to fall through the frozen ice on lakes in fucking January and I'm alive. Also I did this >>2855011
>>2862895I understand it because you have to think there are dumb people around that literally drown in a puddle.At the same time, dealing with the cold water is not so difficult if you just keep calm and keep breathing, it's all there is to it. Yet, I've seen people doing a "new-year's dive" and they are just screaming and yelling, halting their breathing and then act surprised when they almost fainted.I've frequently swam (or is it "swimmed"???) in water around 9 degrees celcius, it's fine, yeah it's dificult to get in, but once you adjust to it, it's fine and feels very good.
how do you train for mountaneering hiking and backpacking and out in generali know the optimal way is to load weight on a backpack and walk uphill and down, increasing distance, elevation and weight progressivelybut i live in flat area and it's depressing to drive for 1 hour just to be on the same boring trail. anything closer is shit, i need to go up and down the same hill 10 times to get close to the total elevation i want, it's boring and depressing and people who i encounter think i'm stupidany other suggestions?
>>2853644It's sad how true this is. Walking is mostly for the poors these days, and they're pretty terrible at it.
>>2853644My brother in Christ just drive a car. You aren't that poor.
>>2861063This nigga smokes crack in the blade then runs up and down the canals because he's stuck. Dont let him trick you guys
>>2855108lol
>>2853460I live in flat flyover country but still go to Rockies, northeast, pnw for mountaineering/hiking a few times a year so get it. It’s definitely doable What I do is focus on cardio base and strength training:>squats, deadlifts, other leg work 1-2x a week> trail running, if possible, even in a flat area> distance running 2-3x a week (typically stay in the 5-7 mile range unless training for a longer race) > cycling (typically around 20-30 miles a ride)> sounds gay but step counting. Going on long walks, getting at least 12k a day. Buy a walking pad at home if you need to What works for others but I’ve never done:> rucking, even if flat area, putting 20-30 lbs on a vest and just walking > stair master. Any gym should have this Also try to be lower body fat. I like to train for triathlons so it’s a plus because this also keeps you in great hiking shape. My buddies who focus solely on bro split lifting 5x a week at the gym, have a beer diet, and play in a rec softball league once a week all think the are good to go and ALWAYS have to tap out in the mountains
Why do so many people die hiking Mount Baldy? Someone calls 911 and helicopter goes to look for missing hiker, finds him, the finds two more bodies also, https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/30/us/hikers-dead-mount-baldy-california.htmlNews shows someone dying every few weekends if not more. Its not like it K2 or Mt. Everest. I knew a guy who loved hiking, was very experienced, went hiking at a regular spot and just disappeared. I think I will just watch my big screen tv and drink my coffee instead of going /out/ in the cold.
>>2855866>Why do so many people die hiking Mount Baldy?Because people from LA are retarded.
I'm one of those almost retards. 45 years ago,, we hiked the backside of Baldy from CA Highway 2 in late September and get to the summit late afternoon. Now, there's no snow to speak of, but we need to get back before it gets dark and the area we're hiking is wilderness and on the way back, we see a male Bighorn which stops us in our tracks in amazement since we're only 40 miles from downtown LA as a crow flys. We're walking along a knife edge trail, where going off the trail more than 5 or 6 feet could lead you to start sliding or worse start tumbing down a 2000 foot slope. The sun is setting, but not a big deal as the contrast is pretty good from remaining dusk and we're 15 minutes from the trailhead.Then the fog rolls in from out of nowhere and suddenly we can barely make out the trail and in another five minutes we can't even make out the ground (there was no moon that evening) Neither one of us had thought to bring a flashlight, and while we made jokes about the situation, the fear was there. It took an hour to make it back and what saved our ass was that knife edge and some Brownian motion, that told us when the trail was getting too steep to try a less steep direction. We made it back to the trailhead and on the way back didn't really talk much on the way back be a use we both realized how fucking stupid we acted that we could have died by sliding or freezing to death.A few weeks later, we read story about two folks who were walking along that section during the day after it had snowed and had slid to their deaths. It was one of those moments where we both looked at each other and realized that we could have done that, too, without thinking about the hazards.I can only add, that the best teaching moments when you're young is when something almost fatal happens, and your frontal cortex goes: "U DUMB FUCK!". As you get older though, especially when you have kids, those idiot thoughts decrease. FYI, I later did CDT thru NM. Better outcome.
>>2855870This is really it. As simple as that.
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It's spring time, I know this, because my orange tree is blossoming. Busiest time of the year. Yet we can't get a new god damn thread.
>>2862507Look at the strength of this swarm, you can't even see the faucet elbow anymore because it's packed with bees.
I have sown 84 (my whole tray) wild strawberries.Will put them between all my berry bushes.Anyone experience with them. Any idea how many I can expect to actually get out of it?
>>2862830>Yet we can't get a new god damn threadBe the change you wish to see in the world
i made a new one >>2862904
Best packable puffers?
>>2859227I have an Outdoor Research that I bought on clearance a year and a half ago. It’s quite good, I bought it to use for layering on fall /out/ trips, but it’s warm enough that it and a canvas shirt jack has been my winter go-to even when it’s in the mid 20s below zero.
>>2859541no
>>2859227the only answer.
UFPro makes a nice one, but it's pricey.
>>2859227Whatever is on clearance discount because it's last-season's colour/shape/cut/weight.
any subcultures other than rock climbing that have a dirtbagging scene?
>>2858151The ones i knew were brokies. Hike 30-60 miles inna woods for back breaking trail work months at a time. cold water washing and paid seasonal barely min wage. Best hope was to get hired year-round at USFS or National Parks but no way that was happening then or now. They just enjoy being /out/ or am I mistaken on dirtbagging?
Went to the diamond mine in arkansas. Tweeker camp. Mind blown. Better than copper poaching i guess.
>>2859720copper isn't worth enough to poach tho
>>2857953Its either the lazy one getting the ride from the elk or the one too cheap to buy poles
>>2860935And his friend is laughing at him. Kek
Hello /out/ serious (though retarded) thread. I won't find rest until I've hunted, killed, skinned, cut up and put in glass jars a 120+ pounds wild boar.Problem is, my country's admin is retarded (even moreso than I) and I still don't have my hunting license, so no heavy firepower for me.Now, how do I prepare physically and mentally to be up to the task ? I haven't found any serious advice and my dad, who's a hunter, told me that was a retarded idea. I'm sure there has to be a way though, please help.
>>2855678Listen to your dad he is way smarter than you and he has actual experience, plus he's a real man unlike you.
>>2855837>amerimutt education>>2855735>Who careswhite people do
>>2855678why not use a snare?
>>2855678Make a spear, make sure the boar flanges at the base of the head will catch when you stab. Don't miss.
>>2855680My buddy does this in the U.S.Hog hunting with a few dogs and a bowie knife.
>Have friend>Retired military (Navy)>Came into a bit of money, with the business he and I run>Travels the world in our off season (we are military contractors).>Flys to Nepal with his thot Australian GF>Decides he wants to climb Mt. Everest (lol)>Actually find this sketchy as fuck outfitter that agreed to take him on a expedition that has multiple fatalities on record>Ligit is spending like $40k and more on this whole expedition>Has no experience Mountain Climbing aside from Mt. Fuji and other mountains in Japan (really are just hikes)>Has no glacial or Alpine traversing experience/training>/fit/ in a base way he hasn't trained or acclimatized to this.>Basically giving me the whole yolo line>Literally already at base camp.How do I convince my friend he's going to die and this a beyond a pants on head retarded idea. How the fuck do these outfitters not vet people on something like this? He's on a high because he divorced his psycho whore of a wife that put his dog down to spite him and he's made just over a million dollars working in the defense industry and shrewd investment with me.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2856751Touch grass retard
you don't, OP. everest is just a thinning point for moronic white guys with too much money for themselves.
>>2855415Yes its bullshit.There are no expeditions during winter.
Super soldier /afraid of loss and death. pick one
>>2855411lol let him do what he wants, if he dies he dies
Can someone help me identify this bike?
>>2858898When I see a.bicycle without fenders I know that his owner rides it once a.month.
>>2860686wut? I've had many mountain bikes over the years. I ride weekly if not multiple times a week. I havent had fenders since I was a kid on my Schwin. not afraid of dirt.
>>2860686Nobody uses fenders what the fuck are you talking about?
>>2858899>unicrown forkits a walmart tier piece of shit>flat pedals LOL
>>2859210lolof course this retarded fag would be on a Surly
>corporate wagecuck office job didnt approve my day off >missing 1.5 feet of powder on a weekday when the mountain wouldnt have been loaded with other wagecucks like me>have to tell friends I cant go
>>2858709You call out sick for this btw
>>2858709What a fucking life huh
>>2858709thats why I worked at a ski resort for a few years with a job that didnt start until 2pm. Never missed a powder day.
>>2858805I see the cabin project is still going. Havent seen any posts from you, how come ?
>>2860878Just get a powder clause brobruh.
>OH MY GOD ANON YOU HIKE UP MOUNTAINS? I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO DO THAT! CAN I COME WITH YOU>sure you got the gear>WAIT I HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO NOT DIE IN BELOW FREEZING TEMPS?!?!Every time. It's hard finding people are actually passionate about things and are willing to invest money into the equipment to do said things. Normgrels nowadays want to go hiking on their nike sneakers and pijamas.
>>2859705i know you motherfuckers have piles upon piles of gear. don't tell me you don't have any loaner gear you have used in months/years.
>>2860281Okay so? It's mine, I bought it with my own money, buy your own stuff.
>>2860740You grew up as an only child, didn't you.
>>2860745Nigga don't tell me what to do, YOU'RE NOT MY MOTHER, FATHER, OR GOD! I'm NOT sharing my $500+ arcteryx shells, or $100+ base layers with anyone.
>>2859710>gymbroNothing against gymbros, but yes there is a huge difference between gyming and actual /out/ robustbess. I have seen people who are ripped /stacked who caved in on events & activities I took part in. They look the part, but can't perform due to lack of proper conditioning.
5° AT Trip, Am I Cooked?I'm gonna be going on a 2 night, 20-mile trip on the AT this coming Friday. It looks like it'll be a lot colder than I was anticipating. Could you give me your opinion on whether or not my gear will keep me warm enough? Am I cooked?WEATHER: Friday - 22° Hi, 8°Lo, Clear, 16mph windSaturday - 14°Hi, 5°Lo, Clear, 8mph windSunday - 14° Hi, 9° Lo, Clear, 3mph windSLEEP/CLOTHING:\-Trilaminate military-style bivy sackComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2858092Do you sleep with your head out of the bivy sack? What is the precipitation forecast?The gear list seems fine if you sleep in all your layers, but if anything gets wet you are MEGA fucked
>>2858445Funny you ask, I actually decided to bail because of the precipitation, which is gonna be 16in of snow. I also got a couple of pieces since I posted this. But yeah I would try to vent the bivy to keep my breath from freezing on the inside.
>>2858092You already cancelled but if you have a backyard or something that would be a good opportunity to test this. Concerns of mine just looking at raw numbers.Bag is '-10F' limit. If that's the actual 'extreme rating' what that means based on the ISO standard is something like '6 hours with this bag at this temp won't kill you.' It does not mean comfort or even sleep. Even if the liner added 10F (generous) you are still in the 'probably won't get frostbite' territory. If the full ratings are available I would look at them, because the comfort rating is often 20-30F or more over the extreme. For example, Western Mountaineering has some bags who's extreme limit is listed at -40 but their comfortable sleep rating is like 10F, That's a wild swing.You can definitely sleep colder than the bag with appropriate layering, but I would test that out. One if you cram too much shit into a bag you will start compressing the down and reducing the insulation. Two if you are like me you will find that the inability to move within the bag prevents a comfortable sleep. For this reason, my winter bag and quilt are oversized.The rest of the layers look good with the exception of a heavy insulation layer. While active you can get away with less and the rain layer will help with wind and cold air, but the lack of a insulation layer for the arms and legs will really suck when moving less around camp unless you plan to cook from your sleeping bag.Rain fly will really help with evaporative cooling but definitely pick a good campsite where wind and cold air won't collect.I would be concerned at -22F that the pocket rocket won't work effectively. I would also 100% bring a way to start a fire as an emergency back up. And overall you should probably bring more food, cold saps strength and you body needs fuel constantly.I feel like a shill because I recommend him a lot, but Aaron Linsdau's YT channel is a great resource and he 100% changed my approach to winter camping.
>>2858687I tested it since I posted this. Turns out the bag's 10°F rating is actually the lower comfort limit, 0°F is the survival rating. I slept in ~7° with only base layers, and my feet got chilly around 5am so I put my socks back on as they were sweating around 25°.As for the stove, I got a white gas stove, the MSR WhisperLite.
>>2858092I'm assuming these temps are in F since you're talking about the AT. I've camped in similar conditions multiple times in a tent (with sleeping pad), hammock (sleeping pad, no underquilt), and hammock with an underquilt.I would highly recommend reconsidering your shelter, but it isn't a deal breaker as is, you just might not be terribly comfortable. The tent + sleeping bag combo was by far the least comfortable (6°F) and I ended up putting my outer shell down over the pad to keep some of the cold out. The sleeping pad + hammock (with a warbonnet superfly) was the middle ground (9°F), more comfortable than being on the ground, but any portion of your body that leaves the pad will immediately feel it (same with sleeping on the ground). The hammock with synthetic underquilt and warbonnet superfly was completely comfortable (5°F) the entire night.I should note that I was using a synthetic fill 0°F Ozark Trail mummy bag for each of these trips (yeah, it isn't much and is bulky but damn if the thing hasn't worked and held up over the years).I would rethink the bivvy and rainfly for this trip, but again, it isn't like you're going to die in it, just might be a little uncomfortable at times.I suggest bringing some hot hands, or the larger toasty toes if you can find them, and toss a couple in the sleeping bag 20mins before you go to sleep, it's a nice luxury.Your current setup will work, but you might hit some uncomfortable moments. If this is your first time winter camping, you may be in for a little bit of a surprise with your current setup compared to warm weather camping, but again, you'll survive. Sleep in your clothes if they're dry. The wind on the first day will be the worst part, especially with your diamond fly.
Can you help me pick retired army gear for hunting, /out/?Reason is that I tried looking for hunting clothes and they were seemingly expensive and really shitty, mostly made from >80% plastics. I remember back when I was young and would buy them for cross country hacking, uniforms were decent almost all cotton or polyester with cotton lining in the least and not too pricey. Other than that ripstop weave, good pocket size and distribution amongst other things. Even the buttons/zips were huge which would be a huge boon with gloved fingers.So I'm wondering if anyone happens to know off-hand which winter gear is semi-effective camouflage that isn't in current use?
Wool leather aerogel
>>2857570Any online Army surplus store is going to have what you are looking for. Just search Winter or cold weather issue.
Everyone telling you not to buy milsurp is a REI store assistant manager. Check out Sportsman's Guide. They have a lot of good milsurp gear.
>>2858310>This is because plastic is objectively better for military use cases.It's certainly cheaper
>>2860510Almost all of the best cold weather gear is plastic-based. It's not cheap either, in fact the military gets absolutely ripped off with contracts compared to civilians. Also Just because it's derived from plastic doesn't make it bad.
near one of the most remote lakes in the western US. I thought /out/ told me the western US was remote and untouched. all you really need is a car, AllTrails™ App, and some running shoes?
>>2857641They're mainly there to destroy it. It's part of their culture.
>>2857738>state lands
i just went camping in the western us in the most beautiful place i have ever seen and there were 3 other people there. 90% of the sites were available. idk what to say other than that you are a liar and you hate god and you hate nature and you are piece of shit asshole. why would you lie like this? just to dissuade people from going outside? why? thats the most evil thing i could think of. you are sick person
>>2857734Oregon is kind of similar in that regard, some of the state forests etc. are almost more like BLM land than anything else, you can shoot etc. on them. It IS kind of annoying in that we've got so many different agencies controlling public land here and they've all got their own permits etc. though.
>>2857738>>2857670>state land bad>fed goodretard takeSome of the best places to hike even out west is state land.
I probably did one of the craziest climbs in the history of alpinism a week ago but no one will ever know because it would get me in trouble. And to think 2 years ago I was here asking what REI was.
>>2860511Every thread dies. Not every thread truly lives.
My dad works for nintendo
>>2860511yeah, but it was probably a "how do I run away from home and Minecraft IRL?" thread.
>>2860439>no one will ever know because it would get me in troubleYou're on 4chan, you're anonymous. if you want to brag just do it. What was the climb anon?
>>2860609>he thinks this is anonymous A literal email just came out about epstein being friends with moot and buying 4chan, anon.
