What does /out/ consider a reasonable charge for rescuing people in the outdoors?
>>2841396>walk hundreds of feet down a steep sand slopeThat's the easy part. Anyone can fly down that slope. Going back up is what gets out-of-shape tourists into trouble. And they have no idea how to get back to the scenic road if they're not /fit/ enough to climb back up the same way they came down.
If you're too fat and stupid to walk up a hill, then that's on you. If you can't get back up without requiring multiple other people to carry you, that shit should cost you, and honestly, it should be a fucking wake up call as well.
>>2841342As much as I don't want to agree with this at some point people have become far to accepting that their safety is other people's problem. When I lived along the Gulf we had an "island" that people would take boats and paddle boards to and get drunk at. It was almost always partially submerged, but when tide was up you couldn't really be on it, and if storms were in the area it was fairly dangerous. So a family comes out with their two little kids, no life jackets. Gets to drinking, didn't know their ride out there and that person left early due to incoming storm. Suddenly they are panicking because the fucking boats left and now it's people on paddle boards and shit left and a storm is blowing in. They decide to try and swim to shore, damn near drown have to get rescued. At the end of it, oh no wasn't their fault, it was the people that saw them "stranded" (beer in hand) not making sure they had a way off.
>>2841220>Sleeping Bear DunesThis has literally been a thing for years and years now and is for retards. You can literally walk down the beach like 3mi to Empire and uber back to the parking lot in sleeping bear
>>2841369For the locals, it's about the budget. They want to be able to make a living and don't care about your personal principles.
This part of America is peak, FYI
>>2841159besides "all of it"? the forested mesas with lakes are very cool, the white river is epic, the canyons and desert are very cool just like in utah, the san juans are unreal, youve got a lot of big ass mountains throughout the whole west slope you basically cant go wrong anywhere on the west slope rico colorado is 10/10
>>2841159Huge fan of the San Juans and if you're into Mountain Biking, then Fruita/Grand Junction has some of the best I've ever ridden.
>>2841142Relative lack of people and the Sawtooth forest has some of the best lakes I've ever seen. Also, my mom is the one that got me into backpacking, and now that she's older I take her and my wife up there once a year as a way of thanks. So since she's older, it physically is still work like 3-4K climbs, but you don't get into any rough elevations like Colorado.
I was in Montrose and the Black Canyon earlier this summer, lucky I went when I did because it all burned down a month laterI spent a day each in Silverton, Telluride and Crested Butte. The scale of the landscapes in this area are unlike anything I've seen before. However, I wish I had spent more time on the greener, wetter, cooler side of the mountains
>>2841118Utah desert is boring imo. Yeah there's lots of public land, but most of it is very boring and samey. Also it's basically not worth hiking for a decent portion of the year due to temperature. NE Utah is much more interesting and cool.
Hunting season is upon the northern hemisphere>what are you hunting this year?>any changes in gear?>any interesting stories from last year?
>>2835040>I take it there's no right to roam in the US (or at least California)?in the US, there's no right to roam on private lands. you will need permission from the landowner, which can be obtained anywhere between a firm handshake to a trespass fee in hundreds/thousands of dollars. there's a lot of open public lands (BLM, forest service, state lands, etc) that you can access for free but they're often heavily pressured by other outdoorsmen
>>2840731Not carless but I feel it. Literally 1 week from opening day for bow deer in my state, my big as '86 e150 in tank fuel pump just fucking went outSo I'm still going fucking hunting, I'm getting a fucking couple deer this year. And this will be the 3rd time I've gone a season ratchet strapping deer to the top of a sedan
>>2841081Watch a ton of videos about deer hunting. Some good channels that come to mind, or rather ones I watch are instinctive archery, the old leathery guy. The hunting public and another one I can't think of. But educate yourself on deer behavior (or your target species if it's not deer)Educate yourself on hunter safety and firearm/archery safetyRead your states hunting regulations over and over and over again. Not just the part about what you want to hunt, but everything, and the back of it where it goes over the legal definitions of terms and phrases and shit. You need to hunt within the state DNR regulations or you are gonna hurt the wildlife, and hurt yourself by landing yourself in jail or prison. If you're going small game or waterfowl hunting start watching cooking videos and butchering videos. You need to be able to skin or pluck, clean, and cook your bag. If youre going big game hunting for deer, elk, if youre absolutely nuts and want to hunt bear as youre first game animal. You should find a place to process the meat for you the first time. You will need to learn how to field dress the animal, pull out all the internal organs that accelerate decomposition, and you will need a plan to remove the animal from the field.For small game I use a hunting vest with a game bag, for deer I keep a deer puller in my backpack. It's just some stretchy-ish thick rope, with a 2 foot section of garden hose on a big loop on one end, and a noose on the other. I put the noose over the deer's head after I've field dressed it, then I step into the loop and put the garden hose around my waist. Then I trudge forward and pull the deer behind me.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2835027For deer, it's only for does/either sex licenses in such states like Minnesota.
>>2834950I'm going to hunt deer like I've always done before moving to Georgia- hunted a deer in MN w/ my family and got one. I'm also going to hunt small game, such as rabbits, squirrels, opossums, and possibly doves. For larger game, I'll also hunt for turkeys. For deer, there won't be much of a change in gear, except for a portable deer stand. The rest will be hunted w/ a shotgun.Not very much except I bought a deer license from mn for $180. Normally, I wouldn't do that, but my grandpa was selling his cabin and I figured I'd hunt w/ him for the last time before it was sold. My sister helped me purchase it, and the next day after, I shot a deer between 9-9:30, made damn sure that money wasn't going to be wasted.
Found last week in an abandoned mine in Maramureș county, northern Romania. The light used is LED.it can't be bugs because this was kilometers deep inside the mine, only fungi and bacteria here.I tried asking on reddit but that was of no help (as usual)What could the species be? Is it an undocumented species or perhaps undocumented behaviour? I couldn't find anything about it. I asked a few university profs. and they also don't knkw what it could be.https://imgur.com/a/Eyu9dSJ
>>2840899My fungus makes a buzzing sound when its in your mom
I have no idea but this is very spoopy
>>28408991) Shitload of bugs in there2) Wiring in flastlight is goofy 3) Magnified photoacoustic effect due to cave sayout and humidity
>>2840899>kilometers deep inside the mine,Abandoned commie bioweapon. You will die.
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I'm looking for a good all around camp axe for fire wood maybe some tent pegs and also general cutting. Should I better look for a specific brand or anything will do just fine?
>>2841198>if you didn't break one yourself, it doesn't countThe logic here is uncontestable.
>>2841380Belongs in a scifi movie killing aliens.
>>2840994It’s not about needing one.
>>2841380I didn’t know they existed but I fell for the Gerber pocket knife trick and won’t be wasting my money on that brand ever again. I really like the design of the folders but I’ve broken like 3 tips off knife with zero effort. TLDR- Baby axe by a baby food company. 100 percent will shatter.
>>2841427It's not the same company
This thread is a place to talk about outdoor climbing in any aspect (trad, sport, bouldering, aid, alpine, etc). Help out by sharing trip reports, photos, advice, etc.Climbing is inherently dangerous but so are lots of things. Climb at your own risk.Off-belay: >>2812365 (fuck mods)/xs/ thread:>>>/xs/224473There is no such thing as A5: https://youtu.be/boQHYBhlOcs?si=y66caNWQeZoVn4Tv
>>2841365Okay, thanks.
>>2841356Never use gear that's 10 years old, even when unused.
>>2841384You think so? I wouldn't use a 10 yo rope, but a harness? What part of it could even degrade?
>>2841060I've been thinking of taking my mother climbing to celebrate her getting through chemo. I only climb indoors (and mostly bouldering at that - been wanting to get into outdoor climbing but don't know where to start and I've had other shit in my mind recently) so I'll have to go with some sort of guided climbing aimed at tourists or whatever.I'll post some photos when we do it.
>>2841420Excellent. I have had only great experiences with climbing guides. Enjoy.
Growing up I always thought my brother was weird. Now that I'm significantly older I realize we are more or less the exact same people. Both find government troublesomeFind other people insufferable and egoistic Dream to live on a farm with the entire family and have some Resident Evil 7 type shit going on. He is leaving in a day or so to the most desolate area of my country and will live on the food he catches for 3 weeks as he hikes. I don't go on many hikes. But I long to be free. Gay as it sounds I'd like to just take all my belongings and live in the mountains. Been making a mental plan of everything I'd need to survive for decades and as each day passes I get closer to it being a reality. What do you think /out/, would it be doable to just escape for real? No more thinking, no more talking but actually doing it. Bring a car and a cheap caravan fully loaded with supplies and just setup camp. Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2838058Posting that image is now a bannable offense.
>>2837848>Bring a car and a cheap caravan fully loaded with supplies and just setup camp.I remind you chump that the anniversary of the Pilgrams setting out for The New World was Sept 16th. They had just God and like a buck saw. You're just a heathen faggot, so you will like die.
>>2838401What the fuck are you talking about
>>2841161?
>>2841161he's talking about the swedish fishing law and how gay it is>Fiskelag (1993:787)
I will be following the footsteps of an older close friend of mine who went /out/ing in Africa in the 80s after he ran away from home at 17. We met on similar desolate paths elsewhere and I learned much from him when it comes to approach and attitude to make a journey that doesn't rely on money to get you to your destinations. But, I had never dared to go to a place like Africa before talking to him. But, I will need some modern preparations such as the ability to make e-Visas, what power plugs are used, where to avoid insurgent or militia ruled areas, etc.Is there any better source than https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Main_Page Any personal experiences and advice is also welcome.>inb4 go /out/ing in your backyard like we always doNo
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>>2837929>>2837352guys, no one here is going to America. He'll be safer in Africa than roaming around the US.
>>2831208Did you buy the bike locally or did you bring it?It looks simple and like you rode it on roads with that mirror, right?
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>>2823579What's your friend's story anyway? Sounds interesting
Where are all the mushrooms edition?
>>2840578OI! You got eh loicense for that?
>>2840896Enjoy being raped by midges
How do i move to the lake district
love my 3 pm walks
>>2841416Why are you freaks even on this board kys
What are some relatively easy 2500-3500 m mountains in Europe?
>>2840965>All mountains are easy in alps. They have well mantained pathsNot true.
>>2840222See this video (turn on subs if you don't speak German):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD_OuUS_BuEHe's somewhere in the Slovenian Alps (he never reveals his routes), and you can see exactly what I mean. Gorgeous but very difficult mountains.
>>2841401What a fart huffing douche nozzle Maybe dont fucking film it and put it on YouTube if he's so fucking anxious about his routes
>>2841405I assume he doesn't want these places to become overrun.
>>2841409Then he should quit hypocritically drawing attention to them which I would point out he is doing purely for moneythis little song and dance about not revealing his routes is bullshit and that's why I called him a fart huffing douche nozzle (which he is)
How important do you think a survival knife is?Do you think it is a rather not needed item thats need can be superseded by a usual every day knife?It is easier to just snap logs for a fire than to hack them with a survival knife.This is of course not including raw survival where you are needing bushcraft and hunting skills to actually survive. Just general non normie tier camp holiday woodland camping.
Post good knives.
anyone ever had to chop with their knife not like vegetable chopping but like chopping a soft branch that can't be sliced through i tried it during harvesting all the hits just go directly to your palm i'm guessing no way to do such a task unless you have a blade heavy longer thing for that guess theres batoning but how do you baton in limited space
>>28387001095 is absolute dogshit steel though, you bought into the Esee meme.80CrV2 is better in every single way, at the same price, 14C28N is equal to 80CrV2 in terms of toughness and edge retention, but stainless.Knife nerds so easily fall for marketing bullshit, it's fucking insane.>>2838816For a survival knife, toughness trump edge retention 10/10 times.A dull knife can be sharpened easily, a chipped or broken blade is a problem.Both steels quoted above have acceptable edge retention while still having top tier toughness, but ultimate steel for a survival knife is something like 3V or A8Mod.
>>2840606I have 3 Grohmanns: A #2, #4, and a pocket knife. The #2 (trout & bird with a flat grind) is my go-to for fish and small game. The #4 (survival with a sabre grind) I kind of regret getting. I bought it as a bushcraft knife, but it's not really made for that purpose so I never use it. Sabre grind is a catch-all that's okay at everything but doesn't really excel at anything.
>>2815455Entirely depends, for my ultralight pack I carry nothing more than a small pocket knife. But for hikes where I rely more on my knife I prefer a proper well built knife. I personally use the lt wright gns.>3v steel>full tang>scandi grindWell built, solid and practical. That being said I agree with Cody Lundin on something like the morakniv being enough for most people, and you should work on your knife skills instead of purely relying on a knife thats "made for everything".
Hello friends.I'm looking for areas of big contrasts. Things like tall islands; or towns at the base of steep, tall mountains; or places with big holes like giant cenotes.I'll take anything you've got. I'm trying to put together a list of places that feel surreal to be in.
>>2841327Haven't been there since the 90s but apparently the industry that was the purpose for it existing, closed down and now it's mostly poverty, with the state prison being the only big employer nearby. According to ChatGPT, the value of all of the property in the entire town is only a couple of million.
>>2841300Delaware Water Gap and Pine Creek Gorge are other good examples in Pennsylvania. Franconia Notch, NH is the best example I can think of in the eastern states. I heard that Linville Gorge, NC gives off a similar impression but I've never been.
>>2841292Sleeping Bear Dunes, Michigan has a lot of contrast with massive dunes rising above Lake Michigan
>>2841300I guess Luxembourg-Ville kind of fits the bill.You arrive there by train or plane or even car, no big deal. You make your way through town, and at SOME point you'll have to cross the river. You'd think it's like any other european town with a wide river flowing through town but no.Instead you have steep cliffs on both ends with a shallow stream at the very bottom. Both sides of the cliffs are settled and built on with ridiculously steep streets and pathways.The Bock military fortifications there are very interesting too. I'd recommend reading up a bit about them. Neat stuff.It's difficult to take in how weird it is to have the city split into two by a deep crevasse with both sides being at the same level. Pictures don't do justice to how much of just a deep and narrow formation it is until you sit at the halfway point of one of the bridges.
>>2841363Maybe I'll check it out. It actually reminds me of an /x/ story I heard once. Might even be the same place.
winter is behind us and its time to get back /out/, sea, lakes, rivers, even canals, sailing is fun toofotm vacationer paddleboardfags go to >>>/trv/
>>2839624I'll bet it would be fun. Might be shit though ?
I love my folding kayak :)
>>2810312Anyone have some non-obvious tips for kayak camping on the river? I have a 3 day trip planned this weekend on the Au Sable river and have only really been car camping and backpacking before.
>>2840685Don't overpack and have fun.
>>2840685bring an extra pair of socks and make sure they're somewhere waterproof
Last thread >>2797205>how to get startedPurchase a corn cob pipe (or a cheap briar pipe) and a pouch of Half and Half or Captain Black tobacco from a smoke shop or online. You will need a lighter or match, and something to tamp it with--a large nail works well if you don't have a pipe tool. Fill the pipe with tobacco, pack it down halfway, top it off, pack it down to 3/4, top it off again, pack gently and enjoy. Smoke slower than you think you need to, the tobacco tastes best when it is burning cool. Tamp and re-light as needed. If you still have trouble, try different methods on YouTube until you find one that works for you.>smoking a pipe will give you cancerOriginally the Surgeon General found that pipe and cigar smokers, following a careful study of the statistics (at a time when most adults smoked, so they had a good sample size), had insignificant death rate increases. Nowadays, tobacco is being legislated against while hard drugs are being legalized. Put two and two together. Tobacco is just another good thing under attack by the government.All tobacco users welcome. Stoners will be taken to Singapore and caned.
>>2841329When I used to order mapacho (nicotiana rustica) from Peru it'd come in a log that was incredibly "wet", and to dry it I'd lay out a bunch of paper towels on my kitchen counter and unroll the tube of compressed damp leaves and I'd spread it out as best I could and just let it sit out for... I think like a day or two, maybe longer, I don't really remember, before it got to a point where I thought I could smoke it, then I'd rip the stems out as best I could given the amount of effort I wanted to expend, stuff it in a mason jar, and then use a weed grinder to shred it up more if it needed it whenever I went to load a bowl.
>>2841329I just have an old Peterson tin lid sitting on my desk that I throw some tobacco in for 15-30 minutes. For some flakes like 1792 I might throw it in there before I go to bed so I can smoke it in the morning.
>>2841324>Can anybody give me a quick rundown on how the STG drama turned out?STG fucked us all and discontinued all the good stuff. I also heard a rumor that they scrapped all the equipment MacBaren used so nobody else could buy it up.
>>2841340I've found MacBaren to be like McDonalds food, looks and smells great, but instead of using quality ingredients and keeping it simple they add all sorts of crap to it to make it taste like quality.
>>2841340That's about what I expected. Some part of me still hoped something had changed or that some solid replacements would pop up. I'm so tired of having the tobacco market be like the ammo market a few years ago. Everybody buys way more than they need because they understand it can all go away overnight. It doesn't seem like a healthy or sustainable economic model for the tobacco market, which is already under so much pressure.I swear, there will be old dudes who die with 50lbs of HH blends that will get tossed out by their grandchildren, meanwhile the rest of us can't find an ounce. I don't blame them for hoarding, but still
Do /out/ agree ?
>>2840559did...did you not do the math first and thought you could run an assload of techjunk on a little battery and a tiny panel and now you are butthurt?I mean, there is a bunch of cheaply and poorly made trash out there, but either way you have to do the math first.
>>2840843>just install an inverter on it and get a battery.My car is very small, about equal to a modern corolla wagon, no room for a dual battery. Also lucky if I get /out/ in it half a dozen times a year, the install cost/complexity is not worth it. The 50ah lithium box has 240v built in, MPPT solar built in, comes in handy for situations other than car camping, can be removed from the vehicle etc. Just fits my needs perfectly.
>>2841204used for the batteries numbnutsthe solar panels are basically useless at night without them
>>2841370>you can only store energy through lithium ions stored in a boxok boomeri have 2kw of solar on the roof feeding into a tropical greenhouse (a repurposed walk in closet). theres 500w of heat and 300w of light going while the sun is up. why is the solar oversized? panels are crazy cheap and i dont want cloud cover hindering me. no lithium in the setup and works flawlessly
>>2840559i have a small solar panel to charge my battery pack/gps while out hunting, it's fine for that purpose. if i tried to stay /out/ longer than 5 days, i'd look into more low/no power options or better off-grid charging options
