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I call it the Ventilation Improved Triple Pit (VITP).

Two poop pits of the same depth and width as close as possible with a third low pit that becomes a downhill trench. The third pit is for urine the principle is a downhill dug trench with gravel at the bottom and dirt on top until it reaches back to the opening of the pit which is exposed gravel. You pee on the gravel it travels downhill through the gravel and you may plant things on top of the dirt which will drink the urine.

This separation of urine from poop means the poop can compost and remain as dry as possible giving it the highest volume reduction possible and lowest smell. One poop pit is used for a year and then it is allowed to rest and users switch to the other pit. For every 1/4th the pit is filled you must throw in a shovel of worm rich topsoil. The poop pit being used will each week have dry crushed leaves and wood ash of aboht the same quantity tossed in. High carbon, low moisture and the final piece of the puzzle is aeration. A pipe must be installed from the two poop pits out above the roof or sitting area, and it must have a mesh or fly stop on it. This airflow allows the highest level of composting. I advise connecting the two poop pits together via this air pipe with a three piece pipe connector and only one air pipe coming out.

In your local environment you should have mint or peppermint plants. These usually contain menthol which is an insect deterrent. Do not throw directly in the pit, plant them around the toilet and crush leaves up, or create an decoction and spread around the area weekly.

If this is done correctly not only will it not stink but you can realistically with a permanent group never have to get in and shovel raw shit.
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>>2854106
>the chamber goes above ground
Yeah enjoy carrying that in by hand while off trail.
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Go pick a plant in your yard and piss on it every day.
It will be dead in a month.
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>>2854177
God's Toilet is India.
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>>2854248
Not the same thing. The roots can grow away.
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>>2854310
and the biggest toilet in India is the Ganges river.

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>>2854353
i could make it into a huge growtent thats more isolated but that doesnt look cool
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im getting ready to start sweet potato slips, does the size of the sweet potato matter? im using sweet potatoes i grew last year that all originated from the same sweet potato and i have big ones i could use but i also have some really small ones that are already sprouting slips just sitting in storage. since the plants dna is the same the little ones should be fine? i guess what im asking is if i use these little ones will they grow big ones?
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I had to rip up a tomato plant I've been growing since June and I feel so sick to my stomach and ashamed of myself
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any citroids growing some cold citrus do any of the lime ones actually taste like lime
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Should I prioritize trees or grass and herbaceous plants for mulch and biomass? I live in zone 5 Northeastern America.

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> be me
> Practice charting time.
> take a lot of time taking measurements around my basement.
> Take measurements back to charting table.
> Absolutely fucked.
> Repeat measurements repeat charting.
> Still fucked.
> Drop pen in frustration
> North changes.
> That was several hours of my life.
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>>2854443
It's really just practicing the steps. I know they compass is getting pulled all over the place. It is shocking how far off I still am no matter how careful I am when doing it.
If I had steady instruments I would be closer but some of these are of by 2 or 3 feet.
I plan on doing the radio towers in town next, but I am not sure if the mistakes are exagorated on the smaller scale or if they will get worse when I go to a large scale.
i really hope the relative accuracy goes up with scale.
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>>2854443
waaait wait wait wait
so let me get this straight
OP posts on /out/ and essentially OP wants to create maps
for the purpose of which OP probably got a compass delivered using amazon prime
OP then tries to, using a compass, draw a map of his domicile, fails, throws a fit and gives up?
Pottery.
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>>2854478
>OP learns something
LOL! What a loser retard.
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thought it was a fart but it was a poo. thanks for making this sharting general
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>>2854478
Honestly figuring out your pen is not aluminum would be annoying as hell.

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Hunting season is upon the northern hemisphere
>what are you hunting this year?
>any changes in gear?
>any interesting stories from last year?
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>>2852544
>Just have to pay the gang shooting toll every few weeks.
fixed it for ya
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>>2852552
Charlie??? Is-is-is-is th-th-that you???
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>>2851175
> What is a double barrel?
> What is a magazine cutoff?
> Do people really care two different types of ammo at the same time?
You are an imbecile and a nohunt
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What if you shoot an animal and he turns to you and starts talking to you before he dies?
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my workplace is doing a secret santa and person im giving a gift to is an outsdoorsy type and i know he hunts, any ideas for a gift? (agreed upon budget was 25$)

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Where are all the mushrooms edition?
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Mild as shit right now from these storms.
I'm hoping the polar vortex collapses and we get some snow and cold weather.
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>>2853146
Probably the worst type of weather this past week or two - wet and windy. Basically nothing can be done outside without it being miserable
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>>2851512
Nice try Skinwalker.
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Did Scotland have trees before human settlement?
Everything is so bleak with no vegetation. I wonder if it was different at all before people.

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brit/cave/ excursion to an old bathstone mine.

Weather is starting to get cold and I wanted to get you guys opinion so I figured I'd get the wool general going
What's an acceptable blend in your guys experience for /out/ings? I'm looking at getting one of those L.L. Bean birdseye sweaters and it's 80 wool 20 Rayon. Will the rayon be detrimental at all? Anyone have experience?
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>>2854293
Cucked by tariffs, unfortunately.
>>2854261
I think for that price plus shipping I can just find some Carhartt wool on sale here.
If the chinesium doesn't work I'll look around for something like that.
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Does anyone know of any good store that sell commando sweaters in EU? I was checking out some military surplus stores, but I don't like how some of them look and those that I do like, they don't have in my size.
Something like this: https://www.gomilitar.eu/products/original-belgian-military-commando-pullover-warm-knitted-wool-sweater-green-new.
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>>2854410
Import them from outdoorknitwear in the uk. Or search for wooly pully, some models are being imported already.
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>>2854419
Thanks for the suggestion anon, I'll check it out.
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>>2851471
Ended up getting myself a pair of British army no.2 trousers. Advertised as 80% wool but seems the pair they sent is of an older pattern and made of 100% wool, so thats a win.

Seem pretty comfy so far, and for only £14 I'm not too bothered about partaking in any sort of /out/ pursuit with them.

Must be the absolute rock bottom price one can get a quality wool garment at really.

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/qtddtot/ - Questions that don’t deserve their own thread
>>2793358 (I think)
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Tell me about Pennsylvania. I might actually make this into a thread
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>>2853417
I think I figured it out myself. They ARE meant for the laces. They let you arrest them after tieing the lower part of the boot, so you can tie the upper part looser or more tightly.
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>>2839439
Update on this >>2839197
So I called the 'hammock tent' and hauled it along as a backup on my last trip. It took alot of space but that's not a problem.
I slept in it for one night, had to try it out of course. Comfy, like everything.
But I must say I find it weird. You're right, the hammock part is coated. I had no condensation issues but I just fewl the idea is odd. I do see how theoretically, ot could help keeping underquilts bone dry.
I didn't like the whole thing, for starters I can't quite put a finger on it but I think they tailor some kind of shape into those 'hammock tents' so that normies can not fuck it up. Doesn't feel like a hammock tho.
No ridgeline. There's those two hoops with mosquito net. So not only do you lack a ridgeline, you also can not reach for the suspension. So where to hang my shit?
Lastly you're not going to bring all of your stuff inside anyways so you will need to pitch a tarp anyways to keep everything dry.
Did not try pegging it to the ground.
>picrel is feom mfg.
Would not recommend. I'll stick with my hammock and polytarp.
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>>2852859
Worth it 100%. If you're not sure, grab a pair of REI branded ones for cheaper than a big name (OR, Kuhl, Patagucci).
I like features like zipper closures on the pockets (can't lose anything while scrambling), thigh vents, and minimal pockets (usually just front and back pockets, nothing lower down on the leg. You can wear a nice set of softshell pants year round, softshell and long johns is my go-to for winter hiking and I'll use the same pants in the summer. Like anon said, light colors are best both for spotting ticks and minimizing overheating in the summer. If you already have pants that fit the criteria of fast drying, breathable synthetics that aren't restrictive you can stick with those though no problem. I always tell people that I'm bringing hiking to pull their knee up to their chest and if the pants are restricting their movement they aren't any good.
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I just ordered a set of mesh baselayers.

Does it matter what type or material of mid layer I use over them? Since the mesh itself is already providing air pockets for insulation so I'm assuming its less important what layer I wear over them.

I HATE my job, I HATE normies. How tf can I just drop out of society and get neetbux. I have a small farm and a bitch to leach off of but I have no idea how to welfare meme. Do I just tell the doctor im autistic and get disability?!?!?!? I make to much for food stamps and I just don't pay my medical bills for any ER visit ext... I have a kid on the way so im scared to drop out without knowing what to do.... BTW I don't give a fuck what anyone around me thinks.... help... living out my RV BTW the pic is from my homestead back in January
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>>2854073
I sure don't. But I also do not depend on them, ask something from them or even rob them, let alone by proxy, which is just as bad but cowardice on top of that.
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>>2843991
Honestly I would rather my tax dollars go to an /out/ neet than social security for boomers who already hold like 90% of the wealth
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>>2854406
I'd rather not have my money go to any leech.
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>>2854420
Its either gonna go to ME or Globohomo

Choose wisely
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Obviously you need to learn what plants are edible. You need to build a permanent structure that will not be found. Earth bags are very good for this as you can carry them in bulk and then fill them once you find a nice deep hidden spot with small-medium sized river nearby. Do not set up too closely to water or you will be found. You want to be at minumum 2km (2 mile) away from any tracks and at least 200m (250yard) away from the water. It is easier than you think with the earth bag construction. You will want a gillnet, illegal to use in most places but it means you have a passive source of fish. You will want a fishing rod too I advise telescopic, decent reel, with spinners, wiglers and so on. Fish that are too big for the gillnet will be stuck in the area in front of it and you catch those yourself. You will want to get some conibear traps, 110, 160, 220, and set up a trap line, these are serious pieces of gear that are designed to kill on impact if you fuck it up and it snaps it breaks whatever part of your body is in there. Of course you need to study your local animals, what actually is there, what fish are in that water source. You are also going to want a small solar set up primary for charging battery banks that then charge your lights, phone and so on. Fill your phone with guides on your area.

A short-list for if you are serious
>learn the edible plants, some tree seeds are edible and high protein and high yield
>learn your animals, what ground animals, what fish
>find your location, do some reading on natural lines of drift
>learn the climate, if it gets very cold do not build in a depression where cold air will sit
>get bags, conibears, gillnet, fishing kit
>learn how to process animals, worst case download videos onto your phone
>solar can be a hiking solar set up to begin with, as you grow you may want a pure dc 200w panel

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can anyone recommend a good pair of hiking boots? price doesn't really matter, i'm just trying to get a decent pair of boots that won't bust a hole straight through the bottom like my last pair (my walking posture is fine)
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>>2848413
>>2848489
I did a flooded marsh crossing in waterproof boots. I immediately regretted it once i stepped in and sank to my kneecaps. It was about 1/3 mile across, never again. My boots took several days to dry out, my feet were so bad. I had to hike back 4 mi as well just to get back to the trailhead after it.
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>>2843610
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>>2844384
those soles look like they'd wear down pretty quickly. You said 3 years? do you just not go out?
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>>2851655
>Sports mode: Engaged
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>>2851625
have you tried not taking the worst possible path intentionally.

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>>2850580
nice wrist action fancy boy
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>>2853558
just whack the heel on the table, its literally what its designed for, also, of course it isn't a maritime knife, someone with an above room temp IQ would know that
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>>2850966
>neither get watersoaked and need "a whack" to use
checks out
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Just got myself a new one, top is one I got 3 years ago.
Since then it's become my EDC knife, it's great for my uses. Sure if I need pliers I'll take the leatherman, and if I know I'll need to cut thicker wood or want easier cleaning when gutting larger fish I'll take the mora, but the opinel is just right to fit into basically any pocket without being uncomfortable, does most jobs I need it to, and is overall a joy to use.
Got a friend the olive wood handle version, saw how nice it looked, and now I got myself one too.
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>>2853524
>picnic tier
I was with you until there, but that's just wrong.
They are cheap and good enough for 95% of uses the normal person needs a knife for.
I use mine primarily as edc. I don't have to baton with my knife or do self defense on a regular basis (not bri'ish), I need it to cut fishing line when fishing, kill the occasional catch, open packages, prepare food etc.
None of those requires a full tang knife, or a super easy to clean knife.
Sure I pay attention when killing larger fish to not get too much guts and blood on the handle and mechanism because cleaning it is a bit of a pain and not good for the wood, but that's easy to do. I just oil it once a year and that's it.
It's not zero maintenance, but it's not like they can't last or are hard to take care of either.

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Anyone here with experience in the Chugach or Talkeetna? I'm steadily building experience and starting to get into very sketchy stuff. Pic related required constant switching between crampons and skis due to snow conditions. Did Bashful alone in August and that was wild. How bad of an idea is it to get on the larger glaciers alone? Very, I imagine ?

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For no reason in particular other than my own interest, I need to know what the perfect "survival card(s)" would be.

What tools would you be very fucked to be without, &/or would want an excess of during a survival situation?
They have to be the to be the length, width, and general thickness of a standard credit card though; needs to fit in a wallet.

A magnifying lens card is of course a given (same with a tick remover), but what would be useful on a laser-cut metal card?
Would a saw be useful? I see other sets with snares, but I don't feel like a fishing kit would be too useful.
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>>2854458
I have a couple of those too but I cut myself once when sliding it out of my wallet on the can opener corner and switched to the plain bottle opener since that's the only part I ever used.
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>>2854333
If you are good at fishing and want a cool pocket took these can be fun. If you have a very basic idea of fishing than these are mostly useless. I mean they aren't bad buy the Altoids can survival cans have been worked on for decades and they arnt mostly fishing gear. I mean fuck I have no clue how to properly use most this shit....
Properly being the key word.
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>>2854461
>Properly being the key word.
yeah, that seems to be the big issue with a lot of the items; and even if you knew, theres the issue of efficacity

most of the little bits & bobs are very flimsy, and would be outclassed by a carved stick; if they were thicker & made of a stronger steel, they'd be much more useful, but they're not
if you had all the time in the world, a use can be found with most of the things of course; if you're counting the minutes to a meal, spending you moments fiddling with sheet metal is just gonna get you killed

on account of that, i feel like snares would be a useful tool, since they're basically instant food; fishing implements don't seem worth it when you can just make a basic fish trap
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>>2854461
Not to mention some of these need a slight added bind in them to make them more work properly.
Fun for a fishermen if cheap tackle wasn't already more affordable these little sheets. I already fish out of an old dip can and if I am cutting my bait than that is enough to catch anything.
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>>2854463
The idea is making little tools into big tools. Even if I can perfectly use my fishing tackle I need to makeshift a rod, attach the like properly. That is just up to the point of hooking the fish after that you still need a lot more tools. If you don't believe me look at how picky people are about filet knives.

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What is the thinnest /out/ glove technology available today?
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>>2846972
Something like this
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>>2846972
https://ozerogloves.com/product/ozero-9002/
Found these on a bike trail. They are my idea shittly done: wetsuit material (neoprene) but too thin. And like some are saying, sweat is a problem. I put some mickey mouse cotton gloves as liners, but somehow colder than cotton alone. Gonna end up making mittens put of ace back support brace....like mfers are playing piano in winter weather......WHERE THE FUCK ARE ALL THE MITTENS?
https://ozerogloves.com/product/ozero-9002/
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I did some research, and apparently those weird fucks up north use a mesh base layer. Maybe that plus latex over it solves the problem? The mesh should wick the moisture away, while the holes provide air isolation. The latex traps the air. All still very thin. Just needs some ultra-thin layer over this so it doesn't look like I work at Subways.
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>>2854218
Thats outdoor guy who's wife just got sick, that was the subject of his last vid. Someone finally had my idea. It doesn't wick shit. Its all about boundary layer. And windproof layer off the skin just traps air. Mesh allows that. Those polyester vapor protocol gauze coveralls they use in hospitals will boil your alive, but the are virtually nothing. Its also a other layer on scrubs. So just another layer, any layer, has air sticking to it as a fluid. All insulation is about trapping air (or a vacuum).
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>>2854218
>Son, I've seen the clothes you buy for your "hikes in the woods"
>Is there something you want to tell us?

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In honor of Halloween, and we haven't talked about this guy in like a year, I'd like to get everyone to remember the tragic tale of James Kim, who got cuck-killed by his nagging white wife.

Guy, his wife, and their daughters, age 4 and 7 mo finished Thanksgiving with family in Seattle, and decided to stay at a resort on the Oregon coast on the way back to San Francisco. He was television personality and audio reviewer for CNET. This was in late 2006, so before smartphones. They missed the turn to the main highway connecting interstate 5 with the Oregon coast, pulled into a gas station to ask directions, and fucked it up from there. The wife was nagging him to get home and it got dark and they ended up on logging roads that theoretically DO connect I-5 and the Oregon coast, but it was snowing heavily and they turned around, got lost, and gave up. He went to seek help and died frozen, and the wife and two daughter survived.

The price a man pays for a hypergamous marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Kim
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>>2848220
>foid
Found the KHHV
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>>2848526
>IQ tests are intended to diagnose retardation
They were invented to """prove""" what blacks where inferior to whites.
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>>2852462
false
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>>2847491
I've taken this road a few times, it's genuinely just gnarly.
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>>2854455
does it actually connect the central valley and the coast like they wanted it to do, I mean if somehow they got through all the snow, could they have made it?

I'm in a psych unit but when I get out I'll be staying with grandparents in a property in the woods. It has a river, dams, losts of trees. I want to do some "prepping" and learn outdoors skills, perhaps have a bug out bag and set up some outdoors shelter and fireplace. Any cool tips or advice?
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>>2853265
Society can be stressful and overwhelming
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>>2852919
get a cheap 900ml pot and a brs-3000 knockoff from aliexpress or similar (or fashion yourself a diy alcohol stove). Go on walks in the woods and stop for a tea / coffee. Having 'go to place X and have a tea there' is much better as an activity than just walking there and back. Use this to map out the woods slowly. The human brain likes having a goal/reward and this is an easy one. You can get set up for like $20. I like the chinese titanium camp pots that are available now. they get very cheap on sale and are very light for carrying in a small backpack.
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Consider this, the Donner party ventured into the Sierra Nevada mountains with no knowledge of the land, with not enough food to last but a month or two. Got snowbound and starved, eating the saddles from their horses and some ultimately eating their own dead. But all the while they were surrounded by Miwok Indians who were not preppers, but people who deeply understood the land and all its inhabitants in that area. They didn’t “survive” there, they simply there with the resources the land provided.
Well, in one sense they were preppers in that they did, like the squirrels and other animals they prepared for the long cold months by caching food during the warmer months. They had a good store of dried fish, acorn, pinyon nut, and other foods. Like people who rely on wood heat today, they had a store of firewood and they stayed toasty warm in their small conical houses, in many cases insulated with thick tule mats and warmed by a small fire, all the while wrapped in their thick rabbit skin blankets. Consider also the story of Ishi, the last known wild Indian who stumbled out of the woods half starved because just before winter set in, a group of white trappers came upon their hidden homes, took all their food, and even took the rabbit skin blankets!
I see prepping as knowing how to return to the old ways. Yes you should have some things stocked, but more importantly you should have the knowledge and the tools to live off the land in the area of the world you find yourself in. I myself live in the southern Sierra Nevada. I know the cycle of life that people once followed here; I know what was harvested when. and I count among my friends people whose ancestors lived here for ten thousand years before the Europeans came.
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>>2853322
To cut this anons blatherings down, befriend some injuns so you can mooch off them when SHTF
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Don't forget to bring a towel and a change of underwear and extra socks.


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