As for me, it's the Osprey Nebula
I bought a 50L trekking backpack and I'm pretty overwhelmed with all the different storage options. I'm used to small day hike packs like the one in OP. How do you guys pack larger backpacks, e.g. for winter hikes? I need ideas.I didn't even circle pouches for drinking bottle, side pouches, etc.
>>2836488>>2838419I think that's the one my dad has. Its a much small form factor than my manta 24, which I am jealous of but I appreciate the extra back separation of the manta.>>2843031>Side pocketsSnack food, map, headlamp (in a ziplok), hand warmers.>Bottom pocketI think a rain fly usually goes there.>Main pocketEmergency gear on the bottom (bivvy bag, down puffy, hardshell, thick mittens, heavy hat, extra base and mid layers.Second from the bottom put the stuff you expect to need (liner gloves, thin hat, softshell, microspikes (if you take thrm back off, put them in an outside pocket so you don't foul the rest of your gear) balaclava, ski goggles)On the top I usually keep my snacks, sandwiches are good in the winter because you don't have to worry about cheese spoiling in the summer heat but don't let it freeze solid. I usually bring one insulated bottle of water and a thermos of something warm like tea or coffee. Store your (wide mouth) bottles upside down since they will freeze from the top and you can buy some time before it freezes over. Rescue professionals sometimes use hot water with jello mix for warming and energizing hypothermic hikers but I haven't tried it yet. Its got plenty of simple sugars and protein and its widely available so it makes sense.
>>2843038>I think a rain fly usually goes there.The bottom pocket is huge, seems like there's room for a small tent or an iso mat. I think I'll put the rain fly in the hood pocket along with toiletry, med kit and headlamp.
>>2831321Osprey is great, have 3 of their bags and I love em
I have a 20yo backpack from my time in the military that is actually a pretty good one. The only problem is that all the straps have become stiff. Will they break if I start to use it?
Was he retarded? or free?
>>2840649He would also break into cabins earlier in his journey and steal supplies and money, despite wanting to live without money. Lol. I mean I get it, he was living a Thoreauean vagabond lifestyle....
>>2839861The source of your misery is you son.
>>2840058when you reach that holy shit bro, you are so outside of everything it's like you're a separate entity on earth and you should keep quiet
>>2843541According to who?
>>2843545he's mentally defective and fantasizes that his dissociative events are some form of enlightenment, but when he describes his poo brain going maxim poo it makes the people dealing with his shit try to get him into the mental health system, which for all its many many issues, still tells skitzofags they talk like fags and their shit is retarded, and to take their meds.
I just bought a Bussy knife for Autumn outdoor-mans activities.Is it any good?I hope it sharpens some tooth picks...
post lance
>>2843448Why do you have to be gay? You could have just been normal.Also I dunno retard, you didnt tell us the brand of the knife. Only offered 1 grainy pic. Dummy.
What's the biggest threat when you're /out/? A wild animal or a homeless tweaker?
>>2834161Honestly probably dehydration from diarrhea or a bad allergic reaction. Otherwise you could likely deal with anything outside of your control.
>>2834329>homeless are niggers>untrained dogs are niggers>niggers are niggersthe problem, as always, is niggerness>American tourists getting lost and almost dyinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Valley_Germans
>>2842897>Exposure is still more of a danger than animals, even if you know what you're doing.No it's not. Except, as already indicated, due to accidents, which isn't what /in/ faggot who came in guns blazing quoting statistics is talking about, or he'd have quoted statistics that were actually relevant.You should really stop digging.
>>2843489You should really stop crying. You should also point out how OP's question frames the conversation as "implicitly dry land." Still waiting on that.
>>2843517Oh hold on I get it. I thought those were examples, but OP was asking literally.>what is the biggest thread while you're /out/, a wild animal or a tweaker?Proper syntax would have helped, but I'm also being slightly autistic I guess. Oh well.
why does it seem like all you people want to go out and be “in le nature” but don’t give a single fuck about preserving ecosystems or native biodiversity? You feel entitled to go out and be in nature and treat it like your personal fucking playground, damaging the ecosystem and demanding roads and trails be paved through the wilderness so you can “heckin enjoy it”? And then go home and continue to fuel the 6th mass extinction with your destructive consumerist habits? Anyway, I planted some Texas native wildflowers today to help the declining pollinator population in my area. What did you do?
>>2837495>what did you do?Picked up trash
>>2841779>>2841790Eh it's always damaged and mucky shit. also it's very inhospitable to camping out because it's very thick grass and brush and the place is full of deadly snakes and leeches, the highest concentration of funnel web spiders in the country, etc. plus huge and grouchy monitor lizards. you can't walk anywhere that you can't see exactly where you're stepping, and even on the trail I've almost step on snek because they blend in with everything.
For those complaining about third worlders littering, you realize all the plastic and junk is created by the white capitalist society, right ?Maybe third worlders litter but whites literally manufacture trash and cover the land with it. Talk about short term profit and no concept of the future
>>2843470Silence thirdie.
>>2843470Yeah, all that western european manufacturing. Totally. Kill yourself
I saw on a facebook page for vanlife someone asking if they could make vanlife/rvlife work on 7k a month budget and a ton of people talking about how they currently 'make it work' on like 3-5k a month or whatever and it made me wonder how many of you have tried to vanlife and how much a month do you think you needed to survive while doing it
2/3Thanks to me working 9/5/5 I can save in winter on heating since I am not in my van 24/7. And it never happened for something to freeze in there or whatever. And heating those few m3 with even imperfect insulation with propane heater is still cheaper that heating entire flat with electricity.Most of my free time is spent either reading or gaming anyway. I have 6 years old laptop that can run basically anything I want to play anyway without draining my charging stations in a few hours. But I still miss my gaming pc. Internet is kinda ok, I used to leech prom my employers wifi but decided to buy unlimited data plan. It's enough for my needs. During work holidays in summer I went camping a few times. It never happened to me to get woken up in the middle of night by someone and I have never been bothered by police. No wonder people are getting bothered by security or a police when those retards are "stealth camping" in front of someones house in residential zone or on private parking lot.Thanks to all of this I am managing to save quite a lot of money. First years was kinda hard and the van was really expensive. You're basically throwing a year worth of rent away. But this year all I have been doing is saving. I guess this van will survive few more years. In that timespan I'll be able to save enough to be able to fix the house I'll inherit out of my pocket without having to take a mortgage.My current expenses are 20€ for car insurance, 80€ to phone service provider, 50€ at max to gas since I drive vary little. And what, 150€ a month for propane tanks in the winter?The rest of what I spend is basically what I would spend would I live in a normal home anyway like food, hygiene etc...
3/3I came to conclusion that If You can leech from Your employer as much as I am, You could survive even in something smaller than WV transporter. I am thinking about something like WV caddy, Touran, Renault Kangoo, Peugeot Partner or Citroen Berlingo. Would I have something newer I might consider solars but I doubt they'd be able to power my pc anyway and putting them on something this old feels like a waste.If You can do van survival in this 2nd world shithole where wages are 10 times lower and prices are 4 times higher You could do it more easily and cheaper in the US, I think.
>>2828614>100kDid your wife take her black boyfriend with her?
>tl/dr: blogpostI've been heavily considering van/buslife for the past couple of years.My job sends me to projects all across the state, and into some of the neighboring states, almost every week. They put me up in a hotel and pay per diem and mileage.During the weekends, or whenever a project is too close to home for work to get me a hotel, I stay with my dad.Whenever I've mentioned that I was looking at land/houses, my dad has always said, "Why? You're on the road so much, you'll be spending a bunch of money for a place you'll rarely be."I think that for my lifestyle, living in a vehicle would be a good middle-ground for cost, utility, and personal independence.I inherited my mom's prius a long time ago, and in-between long drives I might park somewhere to rest for a few hours. I'm looking into lift-kits and such to make it more durable for the road and partial off-road. Apparently the prius is a popular choice for car-life due to the dual batteries, and the climate control mode where you can keep the AC running without killing your car.The dream would be a bus converted into a mobile apartment. Shower, sink, incinerator toilet. I'd be able to live without stepping on my dad's toes.It is essentially homelessness, although several levels above a tent in a park. Choices born out of convenience and adaptation to poverty and the worsening state of the world/people. I want a good house on good land in a good community where I could raise a good family, but I think that's outside my fate.>>2828638he would need a larger vehicle like a bus, or a uhaul-style truck. Smaller vehicles should be for the places in-between point A and B.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2835841I’m thinking of doing this with raw savings and passive income after 15 years of diligent saving from moderate high income. It looks entirely feasible to do forever, without a job, for me. But I have gotten fat and comfortable which sucks
What are we going to do about RV users? There is something deeply sick about these people who drive pretending they are camping in these things.
>>2843378Rvs can't get within 5 miles of where i go camping so i don't care
>>2843378I never see anyone under the age of 70 in an RV. Everyone younger buys Sprinter vans.
>>2843378>Implying normalfag campsites are anything but a glorified old folks home>Not using dispersed campsites
>>2843379>Can't drive>Parking illegally>Defecating in the open 20 meters from a toiletHate RVs, they're like noisier homeless people.
>>2843381what an odd fantasy to make up and seethe over, RV campgrounds have power hookups, that's half of why RV owners go to them.also:>going to an RV campground and being shocked there are RVs>how_could_this_happen_to_me.jar>>2843480Why are eurps this retarded?
i see them driving on the highway sometimes but never actually doing their job. the only government officials i've ever seen /out/ were some zoomer interns asking about invasive fish at a marina.
unofficial honorary forest jannies>be me>driving to weird waterfall that's kinda like next to a developed tourist lake with a buncha houses on it>no idea where it is>google maps suggested it might be roadside so that's why I'm here>miss a turn, turns out that that dirt road that I thought was just a driveway IS the road the waterfall is on>turn back and go the right way>now I am behind some literal grandma going 15 mph to the point where my feet ache trying to feather the pedal to match how slow she is going>she takes the very last decent parking space which is just a pulloff on a dirt road>park sort of parallel to the road, trying not to block anything>boomer appears>yells at me for blocking the road, I just say ok, not looking for a fight>wait till family leaves, they take their sweet ass time and are yelling at their kids who don't want to get in the carthe waterfall was NOT roadside, but it wasn't far and it was pretty but jesus they need to add more parkingComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>2843229This also one tried to accuse me of digging up Indian mounds
>>2843227I'm a contractor I worked for the USFS for 20 years and several other agencies in that time. DOI mostly. I've worked with literally hundreds of forest jannies. They're nice to me because if they give me any shit I will raise their prices.
Never deep in the woods but often get asked for my fishing license and on one of the popular hiking/sunbathing sites near me, they check for land passes (which are included in a fishing license).
I got a $200 ticket from DNR for fishing in a river that had just been stocked and no fishing was allowed that month. It would have been $50 more for each fish I had but I was doing catch and release. It was the best fishing I had ever had in my life so probably worth it
biological, geological, topographic, meteorological, oceanic, etc.
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>>2842917Depends on if you have obligations outside your household. If you do need to go out and have things be open, blue areas are best for you as it gets dark earlier. You should also be opposed to daylight saving time. If you do not need to go out and sync your awake time with society, you might prefer red areas (and permanent DST) as it lessens the amount of noise and activity by others during dark hours.
>>2843300Why would getting dark earlier be better? Night owls want the opposite. I'd rather be on permanent daylight savings time, in fact I would rather be +4 hours or something, because that's where my body clock is at.Morning larks would be happy somewhere that it gets light early and dark early, because they like getting up early and going to bed early.
>>2843375If you have obligations that happen at particular time of the evening, it's more likely to be dark when you engage in those obligation if it gets dark "early". If you don't have obligations, you likely want it to be peaceful at night, so you want others going to sleep as soon after sunset as possible. Since their lives are set to the numbers on the clock, they have to go to bed at a particular numeric time so they can be up at a particular numeric time.Sounds like you're confusing the "night" in night owl, seeing it as driven by the numbers on a clock instead of the darkness outside. Very common normie mistake to get everything backwards when dealing with DST and time zone discussions because they can't break their minds away from seeing the clock as the source of light and dark.
Is off-grid living a wealthy person's hobby? I can't live in an off-grid cabin full time because the code doesn't allow that, and I also would need a primary residential address. The only way to make it work off-grid is if you already have a real home.
>>2833463That's fucked up. Tolerant Oregon.
>>2833565Badass
>>2833703>>2833707I recently heard that lawns are a holdover from medeival times. Initially, it was beneficial to have vast, open fields surrounding a castle so you could see any trouble approaching. Then later on the aristocracy in Europe maintained lawns as a flex, since maintaining grounds was super expensive and labor intensive. Eventually the every-man could afford his own little slice of land and luxury, and he imitated the example the rich set. Basically everyone is just doing it cuz the guy before them did it, long ago forgetting WHY we do it. Lawns are dumb, but it was neat learning why we even have them.
>>2833719Some retarded CA legislator was tricked into selling the state's water rights to the Reznick family in the 80's, so the state has to buy back it's own water every year. It's brutal and embarassing. The Reznicks own Pom, Fiji (tricked foreigners), and grow a bunch of almonds that also eat up a shitload of water (and are a loser nut). I hate them.
>>2843466Almonds take a gallon of water to produce a single nut.
How is the camping culture in the USA ? Here in the EU, we have many Belgian, Dutch, German, British and French people buying big caravans/campers and evading their shitty weather by spending 6 months on the Mediterranean or Atlantic coasts.Sometime they also go in the Alps when summer is too hot.There's also the occasional hikers/cyclers doing a multi weeks pilgrimage/hike and sleeping in tents but they're not common.The campsites are either municipal or private, some of them only have electricity, pitches and showers. Some of them also have restaurants, bars and grocery stores. There is always someone at the front desk, these areas mostly aren't automated.The people are usually retirees with enough money to afford such vehicles. How does it work in the USA ?
>>2843082Not sure what you mean automated unless you mean self serve.Theres a few different kinds. There are rv parks, built for both long term living and temp camping usage with full hookups. These are found anywhere, even the smallest of small towns usually has one. These always have a person, they are private businesses.Then there are various public (state county federal etc) campgrounds that vary widely between amenities and staff and cost. There are plenty that are full rv parks with hookups, and plenty that have nothing but pull through space and a picnic table and grill and a bathroom. Many are on dirt roads and many are not even RV accessible and people just camp out of cars and trucks. Some have people in a booth charging at the entrance, some require online reservations, many are first come first serve and have a self-pay system, many are free. Many have differing prices for a site with hookups or just tent pad or a walk-in site.Some have volunteer or paid camp hosts who basically take care of the place for the season in exhange for living there in an rv, many have no staff except for those from whatever land management office that come through as part of patrolling or working in that office's lands. The ones in big national parks and state parks and things often have dedicated campground ranger type workers running things. There are also often campfire evening programs put on for the campers by interp rangers at these parks.
Glamis Sand Dunes sees 1.3 million unique visitors a year.Thats 1 camp site.In 1 park.In 1 state.There are (some) porta-pottys.No running water.No asphalt, concrete or assigned spots.
>>2843430>There are (some) porta-pottys.>No running water.>No asphalt, concrete or assigned spots.Glamis is the northern part of Imperial Sand Dunes Recreational Area, and the most popular part. It’s the jumping off point for off-roading.There are at least 4 campgrounds in ISDRA. Two (2) have paved roads, the other two have gravel roads and are accessible by 2WD vehicles. All of them have vault toilets. All of them have designated campsites (first come, first served).The area sees a shit ton of people, but it can’t accommodate millions a year for overnight visits. It’s mostly day use.
>>2843468>>2843430Are these manned-up and have a nightly fee ? These are essentially private businesses right ?
>>2843086this is a good summation
>walking along a trail minding my own business >Suddenly 5 pic related fly out of the brushWtf? If you just stayed still everything would have been fine but you have to try and give me a heart attack.Fuck you, im hunting these fuckers now.
In my area, they have the nickname of, "Thunder chickens." Mostly blue and ruffed grouse.
>>2842169Holly shit OP blown the fuck out he will never recover lmfao what fag
>>2839658i don't believe you mister...
>>2838859fucking love grouse, a couple years ago one approached me while i was eating breakfast in the sierra nevada and sat next to me for like 20 minutes.
Satan chickenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xSj5XcByuA
What's a sleeping bag you recommend?I slept two weeks in Norway this summer with a random 5°C sleeping bag, and it wasn't that warm.I'm planning to go sleep on some mountains this autumn and I want to get comfortable with lower temperatures.
>>2841733That should have been well enough for a 5°C sleeping bag, odd.
>>2841809>>2841733That's probably the extreme or limit temperature rather than the comfort temperature. Companies are very sneaky with that stuff. Also, if it wasn't EN rated then it's completely meaningless. And I suspect it isn't EN rated considering OP described it as a "random" bag, aka some shit from walmart. I have a non-EN rated sleeping bag rated for 5C but it's extremely uncomfortable for anything below 15C.
>>2841533first you need to understand the ratings, comfort vs. you will survive. Also consider weather can change and get much colder with wind than you anticipated. I had a bag rated for 20f, I thought it was going to be 40f, but it was low 20sf and I froze my ass off and my toes were going numb. At best the bag would have been comfortable at about 50f. I bought a bag rated -20f with down fill. Be sure its large enough, bigger is better than a bit too small especially when its cold. I used to camp a lot, sleeping outside with no tent, sometimes with a tent. Over the years I seemed to have forgot how things work. Also know what type of tent you need to keep the rain/wind off. A sleeping pad for comfort and to help retain heat. It all works together. Its always better to a bag that is too warm, because you can unzip to control heat, then a bag that is too cold because you can't sleep and will be drained the next day, and it can be even colder the next day. I learned to wear the least amount of clothes, but wear warm socks. Others say to wear warm clothes, just figure out what works for you. Also, zippers are very very important. When I was freezing my ass off I zipped the bag up all the way and closed the opening as much as possible to retain heat. When the sun finally came out I was stuck in the back for like 20 minutes because the zipper was stuck and I had limited mobililty in the bag. This would have been a major safety issue if for any reason I need to get out of the bag or tent.
Enlightened Equipment Revelation 10F quilt has worked for me in Norwegian fall and spring. Never wintered there yet. I am part norge and love it out there.
I just spent the night in my 10°C sleeping bag and i had a blanket on top. It went down to -5°C and it was toasty. Get whatever you can afford it's about going out not buying gear, you'll always find a way to make it work.
This is literally the most gun that anyone needs in the woods, unless you’re in bear country. Even then, if you can aim then you’ll be fine.
>>2839692Same experience with auto .22's. I was having issues with my GSG 1911 .22 (bought for cheap plinking at the range), and one of the range masters had the same gun with the same issue. He said he started using CCI mini mags, and that solved the problem.
>>2843349Those GSGs are godawful. A friend of mine bought one years ago - I think it was rebranded as a SIG - and the POS couldn't make it 3 rounds without a jam. Horrible to clean too with the ejector sticking off the back of the barrel so that it tears your knuckles up if you're not careful.
>>2843349ive had a smith and wesson m&p 22 and it was like that for the first 200 rounds, it'd stovepipe and jam anything but cci but in recent years I havent seen it jam anything, thing pisses federal and winchester now.
I would like to carry an anti-material cannon but is probably rather cumbersome
>>2843415Tell me about it. I was pretty disappointed. At least it was inexpensive.>>2843437Well, that does give me some hope.
Look at this giant mushroom
>>2842507Look at this Mogroom
>>2842826Looks like hairy stereum. Is the underside smooth?
>>2842507Beautiful. I'm going on an adventure for Stuntz Blue Legs this weekend with the homies, so if this is *the* mushroom thread then you guys'll be in for a treat here in a few days...
>>2842994>Stuntz Blue LegsNice! The only actives I've found while /out/ were laughing gyms. I thought I found a while mess of libs once, but they were all psathyrellas
Found a shelf mushroom while on a hike today…
