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Hey /out/.

Newb needs advice on layering the insides of a hammock for camping through the night.

> Eas- Central Europe, German-Poland Baltic coast.
> Climate is temperate summer, nights around 15-22 C/55-70 F.
> Weather forecast is mostly useless, rain and thunderstorms can happen early, late, not at all, or out of nowhere.
> Humid af, some swamps/marshes.
> Boars. A fuckton of boars acclimated to humans and human trash.

I'm gonna spend one night in the forest, starting small.
Most of my gear is going to dirt cheap Chinesium because I'm poor as fuck. I want to get a tarp+hammock+insect net combo, but I have no idea what's next.

Should I get a foam mat? Aren't those too rigid to go into a hammock?
Would a sleeping bag be enough?

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>>2757336
>>2757351

Thanks, I looked into what underquilts are, and how can they be (sorta) replaced with a wool blanket.
I've got a foam mat too lying around somewhere, so I will make use of that.

I googled the prussic knot, and damn what useful knot that is!

And googling for what you two mentioned sent me down a fairly deep youtube hammocking rabbit hole, so thanks for that :)
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>>2757720
>wool blanket
Figure out what website you read that in black is with parental controls. Wool blankets have a horrible warmth to weight (and bulk, and usually price) ratio. They’re an absolute meme.
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>Prussic
You mean prusik?
The poster before me is right, wool blankets are an inferior choice unless in a building or to be kept in the trunk of a car.
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>>2757351
>under quilts
this
Doesn't need to be a quilt, either. Dead air space under the hammock, like from a sheet of painter's tarp tied off at the head and feet, filled with dry grass/leaves will work amazingly well.
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if you already have a woolen blanket and you can't to buy anything else go for it. It's not a bad pick just not the optimal one, see how it works for you

>>2757886
Correct, it's named after Karl Prusik, an Austrian mountaineer and inventor of the knot. It often gets conflated with Prussia

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Welcome to /hive/ -
beekeeping general. Discuss apiary and bees.

Old thread: >>2657231
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>>2754264
Are you just trolling or do you actually believe that pyramid-power grade bullshit?
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>>2754264
thanks anon ill write that down and see if I can implement that
>>2754975
it definitely doesnt hurt, but the copper strip is 100% real
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>>2754264
i dont believe you
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beedog,,bump.
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>>2756901
Bee

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I'm your stereotypical guy who doesn't leave his room and is chronically online but I suck at anything outdoor related.
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>>2757882
Start small and work your way up. Aim to walk local parks during the day. eventually, carry more tools until the tool is a tent. The only way to do the outdoors wrong is to be inside. Do small steps and learn small lessons to add up to bigger lessons
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>>2757882
>Can
Yes.
>Will
No.

How does one get started spelunking?
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>>2756879
You still Alive anon?
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>>2755394
The post shafting shafts for March on the Drina fun time. I'm not Balkan, I just enjoy Dirlewanger esque escapades.
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Fact: 99% of cavers turn back right before they find treasure
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>>2757579
He went into a sewer culvert lmao
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>>2749149
most of them are gated now too. i got sick of finding gated mines so i decided to just enter the mining industry directly

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How close have you came to a lightning-strike whilst /out/ing?
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Not outside.

But once I was playing an electric guitar during some heavy monsoon style rain and lightning hit the electrical pole outside my house and I felt a zap through the guitar. I have touched 230 volts a few times too many and this had a harder hit without that same buzz you get from A/C. The pain didn't even last more than the even itself which it usually does.
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>>2749216
I detasseled corn as a teenager and one time my crew got caught in a sudden downpour. Sure, we had some dark clouds heading our way, but usually if the rain was casual, we just kept working. Just before the rain really started, the crew lead got radio'd by HQ to take shelter and shouted for us all to sprint back to the van. As we ran through the rows back to the van, the rain really started coming down and thunder started rumbling. I was maybe 50 yards from the van still and I was running the fastest I'd ever ran. To my left, a singular tree at the edge of the field was suddenly struck by lightning. I think it was maybe 30 yards. That was the loudest noise I have ever experienced and I thought I was about to die. I remember I thought the sound was like in Star Wars Episode 2, when Jango Fett uses those shockwave bombs in the asteroid field. Anyway, we all made it back to the van in one piece and waited out the rain, which was about 30 minutes. I had left my lunch cooler inside the van, so I had lunch. When the storm passed and we went back outside, we saw the tree had basically exploded from the lighting. All in all, a really terrifying experience.
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Not as interesting as other stories here, but I was smoking a cigarette on my front porch during a storm around 4am a few years back when lighting struck the transformer for the house maybe 50ft away from me. Simultaneously the loudest and brightest thing I have ever witnessed.

>Shitty rural power company took three days to get my power back on
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>>2749216
One time I was forking hay for cows in a thunderstorm and I lifted my pitch fork above my head and the tines started vibrating at a high frequency. I was fascinated for about 5 seconds. Then I realized I was in terrible danger, so I threw my fork down and sat in the truck until the storm passed.
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I got struck by lightning through a river in Turner Falls Oklahoma. It struck the water some miles or so away but it was awful. Me and five friends, plus two kids nearby. I saw a white flash and every muscle in my body contracted as hard as it possibly could for just an instant. Opened my eyes and heard the thunder rolling away. Everyone silently rushed out of the river as fast as possible. One friend who was out of the water didn't know what happened and didn't believe us lmao. Felt pretty fine after but I was endlessly drunk and high on this trip anyway, but the next day the bottoms of my feet felt like I had been walking on hot coals. 0/10 would not do again, I gtfo the water any time I hear thunder at all now

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You are thrown out into the wilderness with only a knife, a pair of tweezers, and a hafted hand tool of your choice. Which tool do you think would help your shut-in self survive the longest?

OP's (correct) choice: A cutter mattock.

>hard mode
No combination tools.
I'd pick an adze here.
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>>2757468
Adzes aren't combination tools. A 5lb mattock has an adze the width of a trenching shovel, and grub hoes/mattocks are different to shovels in that you use your legs and thighs to pull material out rather than (mainly) your shoulder and back so they're much less tiring and straining. Mattocks make shittier holes, can't dig very deep, and can't move material very far, but they're passable for many purposes. Adzes are usually sharp enough to cut wood, you can carve a smaller tree down to a cone and fell it like that. Both tools have their place though, especially wider shovels.
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I've neglected to mention that not every tool with a blade perpendicular to the haft is a woodworking adze, the slip-fit ones are usually wider, blunter, and intended for digging (i.e. grub hoes), and wedge-hafted ones are usually very sharp and occasionally curved along the edge and are designed exclusively for squaring or hollowing timber, always called adzes in this case. I'd be reluctant to chop down a tree with a slip-fit adze.
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>>2756131
>thrown out into the wilderness
shoes so I can walk the fuck out
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>>2757468
From building mtb trails I'm 100% set on the mattock. I've dug caves with them, they're far more efficient.
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>>2757834
Same. Digger mattocks are much faster excavators and take less energy to break through material.
Shovels can't deal with roots, rocks, or compaction.

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>>2755289
>cant own a mag over 10rds
Owari Da
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>>2754540
pittsburgh isnt that affordable.
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>>2754519
I'm in utah and all our mountains suck, everything is too expensive, and there's no jobs.
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>>2755303
Just another excuse to take a trip to reno ;^)

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Desert exploration? Do any of you live near/in a desert climate? How do you bare with the heat do you just head North and try to cool off and avoid at all costs? Tips/ advice for desert dwellers
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Had an /out/ job in Nevada, lived there for a year and spent ~85% of the time outside or in a tent. Hated every second of it. Not for me
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>>2757703
BLM?
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>>2757710
Mining exploration
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>>2754685
>freeze at night
103 degrees at 3AM

>SAND
"I don't like sand. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere."
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>>2754983
This. Mountains in at 31N in southern Arizona average up to 180 inches of winter snowfall on north facing slopes above 9,000 ft elevation. While in central AZ along the Rim places can average 90 inches of winter snowfall at 5,800 ft elevation due to moisture uplift, other places on the Rim at the same elevation or higher elevation can average as low as 20 inches, while mountainous terrain on the Rim can average as much as 250 inches. The difference can be so extreme that even just walking 3 miles away you enter a new climate regime, in winter snowfalls a good example is Show Low city (20-30 inches snowfall) and on Porter mountain 4 miles from the city limits the average is 80-100 inches. On sky islands and other places in central AZ with huge vertical relief, 3-5 miles distance is enough to go from a climate that almost never ets snow to one that average 60-180 inches long term. There is a very very small difference with latitude but it is barely discernible unless you're talking 10s of degrees of latitude difference and even then it can be completely negated by topography. Topography is the single biggest driver of local climate alongside predominant jet stream patterns.

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Do people just quit their jobs to do these or is it mostly trustfund kids and retirees?
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>>2757717

I'd rather climb to the top of a mountain than become a billionaire oligarch. But if you did want to become a billionaire oligarch, the most immediately profitable sector is energy.

Trading energy and energy derivatives, oil money. The intersection of energy and financial services. Oil trading houses mint new billionaires all the time, employees get huge bonuses, and reap immense profits on war.
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Yes they usually quit their jobs.
Long trails aren’t just for trustfund kids and retirees, it’s for anyone who doesn’t have a mortgage or kids really.
I know a guy who works a blue collar job as a repair guy in the wind industry.
I think he basically works all off season traveling to wind farms and getting paid well, and then goes to hike long trails in the summer with that money.
I’m pretty sure he is a contractor, so he isn’t really quitting a job, he just doesn’t seek out a new contract until after he gets back.
Its not hard to save $7k and have plenty of money for your on trail expenses when you don’t have a house or car payment every month.
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>>2757651
>Get girlfriend
>have to join bank accounts
Are you retarded? No one gets joint accounts with their girlfriends.
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>>2757373

Not final say. They screen you out before you ever get to the interview phase. As the hiring manager you never knew they existed.
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>>2757373
checked.

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How much difference is there between an expensive hiking pole, and a cheap one.
Anything I should look out for?
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>>2757354
Yes, the outdoor subs on Reddit mog the living shit out of this place. That’s not controversial and it’s not even close. People posting in treads about hammocks here don’t even know what a fucking underquilt is. /out/ is only fun because of how retarded and incompetent the user base is.
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>>2756877
It's a rough board, very much not chill. Everyone gear fags and yells at each other for gear fagging out of insecurity. No one goes out and yells at everyone when they DO go out out of insecurity

It's tedious. There's enough reasonable people but ask any question and answers are going to cover both extremes with nothing in-between.

Other hobby boards are more chill. /ck/ is full of people talking about cooking and how cool it is. /n/ is full of train autism and bike bros. /Out/ is just harsh for why? Aren't we all happy to be exploring the outdoors? Why are we always so strict about what's right and not?
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>>2757059
Just shut up, man
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Seconding what a few others have said in this thread, you want aluminum unless you're the counting grams type. They are much more durable and cheaper. Don't get anything fancy and learn to use them right:
- uphill and flats: put straps on passing your hand up through the straps so you have the straps resting on your lower forearm, right below or around your wrist. - on downhills: straps off or very loose, hold them by the top of the handles in your palms. I like to anticipate steps downhill by a bit so I can help slow down during the stride
- in either case: push the arm opposite the leg with every stride. On downhills and flats you may feel lazy and do every other step but they're most effective in short little pushes
- experiment, see what works best for you, disregard haters acquire summits
t. descended 7500ft in a single day with my weak knees recently. Had no need for ibuprofen, it's like night and day vs 2 years ago for me. Proper pole usage helped a ton on the last 2000 feet when I had all my gear in my pack (45lbs).
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>>2757451
>/ck/ is full of people talking about cooking
Since when? Last I check /ck/ was people talking about fast food and /pol/shit

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I’m doing a personal favor for an old friend, and he’s paying me to stay two weeks. Can anyone suggest sites for someone who enjoys fishing (both fresh/salt), natural history, regular history, and photography?

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I am inclined to acquire initially a solar charger capable of replenishing electric chainsaw batteries, ideally with the added capability of charging an ebike.

Has anyone discerned the most efficacious methods to achieve this objective?

In due course, I aspire to obtain one for the roof of my vehicle, though acquiring a portable variant appears more practicable at present.

I extend my sincere thanks for your help.
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>>2752101
There is a $169 solar powered battery with ac output
The ac mode can charge 120v stuff like my escooter battery
Monocrystalline panels
3.3 lbs small enough to take hiking in a pack
Sinkieu is the brand name ive got two they come with panels and all kinds of adapter

https://www.amazon.com/42000mAh-Portable-Rechargeable-Generator-Emergency/dp/B0CBJFMVJ9/ref=mp_s_a_1_15?crid=2OHOBE869RAXM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.9FsbzuNXDPFVs_PQbayhsRJX5J3cM_Zw40-uad6cPPSqXgY2iwkh5i2_6E1JxLdHw8peWbUYp4V399zah8Fa1obmBmKlulNQ45ih-iYbq_8iVZz1uL2ZHBdfTXGELIQYTh1q3-ThJ7yaZP0TjuHBqNMA5LyvbsGwixan4FKG5Qw-umCRJR9wug9RmTgIJfNkD17PcyS4jtKPjEDiC-GuAg.AgZg1dZGD6qi8AQuJmtqNW9Y5mKx3YpMYQff8keDLss&dib_tag=se&keywords=solar%2Bpower%2Bbank%2Bwith%2Bac%2Boutlet%2Bsinkeu&qid=1721840401&sprefix=solar%2Bpower%2Bbank%2Bsinkeu%2Caps%2C761&sr=8-15&th=1&psc=1
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>>2757705
>42000mAh
That's okay if you plan to charge your phone/tablet for anything serious you want something above 100000mAh and even that is "tiny"
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>>2757139
>his saw isn’t a hybrid with regenerative kickback charging.
Utterly pathetic, ngmi^2
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You guys remind me of me about 4 years ago. The best answer to charging an e-bike is straight up blame America for not allowing AC outlets be made everywhere. The hard answer is you need a super 73 type bike (with those vintage frames) and buy the best camping backpack that will fit under the seat of your super 73 and strap the backpack under it as this is the most efficient use of storage on an e-bike and the method required for carrying a proper solar panel and generator. And about $3000 later you have a setup that can charge eveything in the hot sun and you along with it if you have enough sunscreen. Now i could into AAAAAALLL KINDS of detail as to why the industry can change to make what you guys are trying to do easier but I am 1 single voice and it just so happens that everyone I’ve tried to talk to as someone that’s researched this extensively, that could change the industry in this regard has refused to respond to me at all.


What you’re trying to do is far form impossible, it’s just that many industries aren’t set up to take advantage of say, USB C-PD protocols and many, many, MANY other technological advances that could make this easier but they see their ways a more profitable.

Good luck and Godspeed.
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>>2757752
Its not very big but
It charges 4-6 hours in the sunlight
And about the same in the wall.
I didnt see any others for the price that could charge something higher powered with AC
I bought it for my scooter in case i get stranded
The sunlight charge time is surprising to me. I like it

>1000 mile road trip
>solo
>shitbox hatchback
>4-5 days
>beach oriented
What would be the best strategy for sleeping? Is camping by the side of the road viable?
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>>2757721
I understand. It's best to just not think about it unless you're willing to make an effort to change it (ie: finding a group/club to do things with or dating apps or however you want to approach women). It'll just leave you sad man. The groups/club is probably the best bet really as at least you won't end up with a friend denying you in a polite (or maybe impolite) manner.
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I looked into similar, looking up campsites in BLM and natl forest land. In the area I was looking at lots people reported tweakers that felt dangerous to be around in the campsites. Shame, otherwise I'd say just camp around. Maybe if you found dispersed sites not far from the road, but these days you also risk car breakins. It's a pain in the ass. I'd just go with hotels I guess.

>>2757096
It's a humble honest ass. No one appreciates such things anymore.
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>>2757723
I agree. I started using a dating app recently but honestly I'm not a looker (balding and 5'10) so I only get a couple likes per week which often don't even lead to chatting. I invited a mate but he told me he has to work.

This has been going for years so at this point I've accepted but I guess it still hurts a bit arriving at a nice place and seeing everyone there with their pairs while you don't even have a single person to share a beer with.

Anyway it is what it is, this beach looks amazing and I'm going to have a nice time.
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>>2757735
>but I guess it still hurts a bit arriving at a nice place and seeing everyone there with their pairs while you don't even have a single person
Yeah, I can relate man. Just gotta focus on the positives.
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>>2757380
its shit that works and youre retarded

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Tara National Park - over 1,5 kilomemes above sea level and I have better connection than in Belgrade.
Almost 6 a.m., time for some shut-eye, maybe will post later how I got here and what happened along the way.
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>>2756327
Bump
I spend too much time in Belgrade, am in Alaska now, I could use the inspiration to see your countryside other than from Montenegro train.
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>>2756327
if only there was a travel blogposting general...
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>>2756327
that's not serbia
where is the straw house village and the village rapist tied to a pole
where is the snow?
this is obviously photoshopped
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Greetings from Austria
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>>2757649
where are the roided out terminators going "Ill be back"?
this isnt austria

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>go outside
>get lyme disease
>can't go outside anymore
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>>2755917
>Just toughen up and get a chronic illness that makes you retarded
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>>2756760
but you are already retarded, what do you have to lose?
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>>2755678
Unless you go bushwhacking this is a none issue. I've been out hiking all over the NE states all summer and have yet to even see a tick on my clothing or skin. Everytime i hear someone talk about ticks it's usually supplemented with them walking through tall crass or some shit.
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>>2757443
>You walked through it wrong!
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How do you know if you have lyme
I grew up in a hoarder home in the middle of the woods and was crawling with ticks and fleas as a kid


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