>>8016783
I'm not gonna argue about that, but it's still a good resource to start from. It's like discarding Bridgman because he's western, but an absurd amount of Asians keep referring to his teachings. I wouldn't discard it because it's not anime. That being said, if geographics are important, he is from Kazakhstan, which is in Asia, technically, and does make his at anime and manga adjacent.

>>8016791
>but an absurd amount of Asians keep referring to his teachings
Literally who, anon?

>>8016791
>which is in Asia, technically, and does make his at anime and manga adjacent
Geography doesn't matter, the style isn't anime at all. If you want to base the way you draw on something that isn't anime you're not going to draw anime. Being Japanese and fully based and red-pilled on anime while copying some Bridgman without making it your basis isn't going to cripple you, but being unable to draw anime and doing the Saito method with that Kazakh guy very likely will.

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>>8016791
>Asia
>Asians
>all art from the continent of asia is anime

>>8011033
>Takehito Harada
I think there are most materials for this guy. Unfortunately his earlier stuff is quite different to the later stuff.
Labyrinth Refrain + Galleria art is basically the perfect generic anime-style imho. Good example to copy.

>>8011668

i'm not a /biz/ guy so i wouldn't know, but they shifted so hard suddenly for no reason it is bizarre. the app was always subscription based on mobile, so some of the scum was already there, but nerfing the frequency and the percentage of sales, then putting a how to purchase flowchart in front of their customers was a choice for sure. there was a write-up on reddit that went into more detail finances wise but i can't find it anymore, i think op either deleted their account, messages or more.

it also exists on mac but it's unfortunately walled garden exclusive beyond that. closest thing to ps and csp is krita with scripts probably. krita's brush engine is intricate yet behind, if they only improved it and added pigment mixing krita could have the reputation of blender.

>>8013067
Thanks for the writeup.

Bump.

>>8008901
big ERM here, but that's assuming everyone's using the latest version, when their current subscription model forces you to buy the previous versions (in discounted prices but still) before actually getting there

>tfw no scripting in csp, so if gotta completely hack auto actions so I can rename one layer on my 30 animation cels

>>8015984
You have to remember that conservative Americans are an odd breed of rural right-wing when you compare them to their Asian, Latin American, or European counterparts. Your usual rural right-wing conservative (from other countries) doesn't typically like this sort of painting because they don't place emotional value in the singular home, but the community as a large series of neighboring homes.

American conservatives specifically like this sort of painting because outside of what the thread has already mentioned, it represents what they literally desire above all else: a home atomized from other homes. The home itself is the sole source of community for those who live in it, with nature completely in service to the needs of the family living in it. It is completely irrelevant that the various aspects of the house and everything in it are interconnected and part of a greater whole. To the American conservative, the house exists independent of all other things.

As to why the subject matter of these paintings is always rooted in reality? Because the conservative has a damaged relationship with their inner child and their past. The house they grew up in was nothing like this. It may have been too small and overcrowded, or too big and empty. It may have been in an awkward or stressful part of nature. It may have been too cold or too hot. It may have even been inhabited by people who weren't very kind to one another. But the conservative was never really exposed to something better during their youth to pine for and they saw nothing but upward social mobility as they grew older, so clearly, the sort of life they grew to THINK they always had must have nothing inherently wrong with it or in need of fixing, right?

>>8016673
That a whole lot of assumptions there, bucko. Some people did have a wonderful upbringing.

>>8015984
idyllic

>>8015984
Because they're nice with no tranneis or niggers anywhere.

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>>8016644
Head too big, the neck is too thick if we compare it to the attachement with the spine. Shoulder is too damn long, and mayn more. The figure lacks structure, e.g.. It look like it's doin' some sport-excersice... usually poses like them are drawn with force which shows the streangth and pressure that act on mucles.

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>>8016644

>>8016744
Neck’s too short

>>8016769
Soul. I can tell you’re gonna be designing some sick ass charactersb

>>8016555
What's with the hostility?

>>8016560
Again, reality =/= hostility

>>8016574
Burn in hell idiot queer.

>>8016589
No u

>>8016686
/int/ level, could be worth it if he got it fast.

>>8016695
Nice

>>8016686
I wouldn't pay more than 10 dollars for that and even at that price I would rethink it multiple MULTIPLE times

By the way, does your friend's name happen to start with the letter F?

>>8016686
mid-/beg/ by the books

>>8016728
>before they get fundies down.
It's clear that the artist has trained some fundamental skills. Looks like he got lazy with the guy's anatomy, which is somewhat typical for porn.

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Mostly gardened today, and here's 40m on minutes of heads.

Not sure if it's just because it's fresh after doing nature shit for 2(?) months but it's feeling easier than before.

I also got 6hrs of sleep for a change of pace so that's another thing.

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Lore like learning with melatonin daily LOL (I have to drive into office tomorrow need sleep).

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I did a whole 3 minute tutorial on values and like thickness, whoa. The power of the internet is crazy.

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25 minute speed draw before sleep (didn't medicate today)

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Had a vision and fucked up the horizon already, correcting tomorrow.

>>8016187
>ignored it for a decade
You ignored bleeding out of your ass for 10 years?

>>8016470
no, i had on and off for years but never remotely this bad
>>8016468
its from being assraped by anons here and accuse of being nodraw every thread

>>8015950
We just taught zoomers how to read wrong as a joke

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Just started learning calligraphy but I've always really liked watercolor painting. I made this tonight and think it looks pretty. If I make any more pretty drawings or characters I'll post them here. I haven't seen any calligraphy on 4chan anywhere

>>8016767
Looks like you've taken inspiration from some of the more minimalist Chinese ink paintings.

>>8014334
100% yeah. Get one of those slanted drawing tables if you can

>>8013695
There's merit, because everyone learns differently. Any technique like construction is meant as a crutch for beginners. You should aspire to draw without guidelines, because it's faster, you get more freedom of expression and it's more natural.

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how do i improve this ? i use a regular soft pen and air brush, im trying to study mark ryden but i feel like im no where near close or at least copy lowbrow art style / genre.

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HOW DO I DRAW APPEALING SHAPES AAAAAAAAAAA

How do you go about studying artbooks and that stuff?
Rn I'm reading a book by Michael Hampton but I have no idea on how to actually learn from it, I'm trying to follow the advice and copy the figures and stuff, I'm also trying to take notes but idk if I'm really learning or just wasting my time
Any advice?

Also, considering I'm /beg/ should I continue reading this Hampton guy or switch to another book

>>8016745
his output is good atleast. he just needs to work on form and line weight, make his characters more readable before doing stories

Schribblefurry anon has a cool style but I also have to admit it's messy, all over the place and also unappealing and not inviting me to read the story

>>8016774
Getting inside the mind of one the weirdest schizos in this board should be enough incentive to take a look at it.

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>>8016780
I'd rather look at Crumb's, Kago's, or Zaskòrski's unhinged comics though. There's so much cool stuff out there with appealing art. Also, I'd rather get into the mind of Darger if I could single out one schizo I had to understand.
I think the furryscribble schizo could produce some interesting comics if he studied more how others worked and if he actually spent time on making layouts beforehand. It looks like he plans his works poorly and improvises most of it.

Also, I think the drawings could benefit from a teensy tiny bit less hatching. And I say this as this board's Number One Gorey Fan

Alright I found the problem a flimsy piece of solder connecting the coil to board broke somehow

im done. drawing isnt rewarding anymore

Ive said everything I needed to say with my art, and I'm not getting any nre experiences to draw from since im a neet and my country is collapsing (canada)

And I have nothing to study anymore since im high /int/ so drawing is just a game of roulette to see if something goes viral or flops.

thanks for the memes and resources /ic/

>>8016697
do you really not have anything else to study? how are you not a literal professional by now?

>>8016700
how much you make has little to do with your skill, sweetie

>>8016697
Is your soul empty? Did you not start to draw because you wanted to draw THAT ONE THING ONLY YOU COULD DRAW?

if drawing books worked, they'd be fucking banned. The fact is most people want to get good at drawing without studying or practicing. Only a small percentage of people have a natural base style that already has appeal and form, and those are the people who can "just draw". The prebegs starting at negative 100 have to study and unlearn their habits before they can even begin practicing.

Being raised on anime increases your chances of having a naturally appealing style.

>>8007685
The classes are for boomers who have never picked up a pen in their life and don't have inner thoughts.

>>8016190
Middle school drawings are proof of what I'm talking about. Unless it's spelled out to you how to properly "use" references or that active recall is a key part of efficient art improvement, most newbie art kids will do observational drawings of what they see from life and/or will unknowingly fall into constructive drawing by constantly drawing from imagination/memory without a reference. It's why people fixate so much on middle school or elementary school drawings made by artists after they've done DRSB and go "wow, it has so much soul!"

No serious study really happens and references aren't being used, but observational drawing and constructive drawing are slowly and gradually chipped away at. You're drawing without a full toolkit, but it doesn't really matter because you're still drawing, which is what you need to do above all else.

>>8016702
A lot of permabegs really do not want to hear that you ABSOLUTELY need to:

>get into the habit of drawing for fun like you did as a small child
>you also need to constantly study (draw from reference, draw from life, copy and study and meaningfully trace, draw from memory, devote yourself to your favorite subjects)

Instead what fucking happens is that bad habits are not unlearned (doesn't draw enough, spends too much time looking at the drawing and not the subject, refuses to study properly, doesn't shake off symbol drawing, dogshit line quality) and you have retards who go "drawabox will save me!" only to crash and burn hard.

>>8012777
>>8012492
The thing about art classes is that most American art classes taught at universities are dedicated to observational drawing (basically a step above DRSB taught in public schools) or only teach the principles of classical drawing (constructive drawing) via dedicated animation programs... that really just push you to do computer drawing or life model drawing without any focus on the fundamentals. If you're not gonna be an animator, you have to learn constructive drawing either through a dedicated art program (usually online), from an atelier, or by doing what Richard Williams, KJG, and Stephen Silver talk about which is constantly drawing from life over and over again.

>>8016696
>The brain is a muscle
No, the brain is a brain.

>>8016431
>what is the point of these threads
exposing who posts here for potential lolcow farming
Anons would post their work and social and the usual discord suspects would start insulting them
And when anyone would start calling them out, they'd start threading the narrative that i was actually the one exposing them as the prime culprit
You would post any work like they demanded, they would instantly go mask-off because then they'd post their and they'd call you a crab and show themselves as the "good guys" as to somehow try to build 4chan rep.
You would do it in other threads the same "good guys" would appear
That's how many anons came to know these threads, and the whole board, were organized and farmed for the purpose of inane drama.

Nowadays it's not that bad anymore since most anons left because they have figured out /ic/ is just a drama bucket getting farmed by the mentally ill, but couple years back every socials thread was shitflinging and drama to no end and the discord groups are slowly dying out because there is no new meat to feast on and no one takes their bait or most of them finally killed themselves.
>i would post my socials
You should get away from /ic/
Especially if you have any passion for anything

oh sweet the dedicated social media thread, is there anything you can do to grow your account on xitter aside from interacting with other artists? any general hashtags or some other easy shit i can throw on to make sure I’m not wasting chances at interactions

>>8015987
>Then mods began to purge at random
Uh,why

>>8016709
>is there anything you can do to grow your account on xitter aside from interacting with other artists?

yes, its called making good art. you fucks will do anything but that

>>8016178
Very nice but his left pec is looking a little juicy

>>8015944
I'll answer your question with another question: is pepper objectively spicy, or subjectively spicy?

the spiciness of the food is clearly objective. what is subjective, is if you happen to like spicy food or not, not whether the food itself is spicy.

Likewise, all beautifulness, cuteness, and various other kinds of appealingness are all objective patterns, who can deny this? Spacial location is objective, patterns are objective. Aren't beautiful things the patterns of stuff in space? Its comprised entirely out of objective qualities, so it's objective. When an object has a particular type of form, it will evoke feelings that it is beautiful, or cute, or whatever. But One's aptitude to feel a ton of excitement at cute things is what is what differs from person to person, THAT is what is subjective.

In this view therefore, you cannot rightly say kittens are not cute, kittens objectively and factually are cute, for kittens are (generally speaking) objectively in the form of a cute thing. You COULD rightly say that you are not affected much by their cuteness, but you could not be right saying it is not a cute thing, anymore than a blind man could be right saying that light is actually really darkness, due to his eyes only seeing darkness when looking at light.

if you don't feel much looking at beautiful things, it is not that it isn't beautiful, rather, you're just blind to that particular type of beauty. Everyone is a little darkened to certain beauties, and others see it's radiance more clearly. That's why our tastes are different. Yet, even when we cannot percieve the beauty ourselves, we still form so much universal agreement in what is good or bad, for we still know its objective qualities, and can "just kinda tell" it would be good if we could see it.


Objective and subjective are very annoying words to find the right definition for. you have use the words like this or nothing works.

>>8015944
Stance dependent objective

>>8016250
>his left pec is looking a little juicy
oh yeah i know. one of the 10 or something mistakes i counted after i was done. the road to perfection is a long one, even just for observation. i really like the hair/head though and that was almost 2+ hours alone

>>8016121
>mfw 56%