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Welcome to /ic/. If you are looking to hone your creative skills, please consult these general resources:

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>shitty garbage ugly art
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think about it logically and how social media is currently evolving and what it takes for someone to gain a s shred of a following nowadays
These are you options
>draw good, steadily improve = post one work every few weeks, get your posts drowned out by all the other spam, high risk of alienating a huge chunk of normies because the image requires actually looking at and they will ignore because looking at an image for 2 seconds is too much for the average consumer
>draw the bare minimum, do low effort crap like fake wholesome shit or woe is me trash in flat styles = post every single day maybe multiple times and get a following because people see it more often and they think an active account is worth following because """content""" and images are incredibly easy to read so it's an instant neuron activation and gets the average normie to engage/like
Social media artists who focus on getting a following don't care about the craft or getting good, they just want to reach something with their art so they can get validation and possibly money from retards and normies.
>it's complete soulless trash
Normies loooove Kitsch though.

You have to realize that that type of art is all highly "commercial" in a sense
>It isn't too complex to look at
>probably has some anime girls in it
>it is more or less bland and lacks personality that the average npc doesn't get alienated from it and can safely and quickly gorge itself on it
Don't hate the player, anon, hate the filthy goonsumers.

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I guarantee you most people in this thread never heard of this artist, including me
i laughed. maybe it is you what has the problem.
Holy shit you baited everyone on this board so hard. /ic/ might legitimately be among the lowest-iq boards unironically. What the fuck lmao
skill issue

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If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/

When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

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medieval masters had great rendering but shit ass gestures, people laugh at them today for this reason, a lot of the characters are overly stiff, look high or retarded
No way dude try to deconstruct it into a gesture from the pic and you'll see what I mean
>beg >permabeg > """"int"""""

the int one literally could be AI and no one would tell the difference
I still don’t draw. Carry on.
I'm looking at the painting and I'm not sure what the fuck is that woman(?) doing. If you have to "deconstruct" a gesture then it's a failed gesture

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>graduate art school
>no job for 2 years
>parents are forcing me to go back to school

What's the easiest "stem" degree I can take while going balls to the wall on my art? I want to become a freelance artist still and am grinding every day for that. I need time for art.
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Apply to be an "art handler" or a community college art teacher.
Graphic design
Online marketing
What happened in art school?
Definitely computer science
Why go to art school when you can literally learn via youtubers?

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Post your socials
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>I think I am in the position to say what I want.
Of course. You are also in the position to be called out for it.
And your in the position to make stuff that is meat beating worthy anon. Make better stuff please...
anon, please don't reply to the people that I'm talking to... i can handle this...
You should stop feeling entitled to anything you didn't earn imo.
>i can handle this...
Haha. Alright, this has to be just pure bait. Sorry for calling you a dunning kruger. It's obvious you are just shitposting.

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>read Loomis, Bridgman, Hampton, Vlippu
Ok...I've got the books...So what order do I read them in?
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Throw Loomis in the garbage, study Hogarth, make the occasional reference to others after you are done with Hogarth.
For me it's the Finch roadmap but replace the marvel book with Vilppu. so vilppu->bridgman->loomis. I didn't get much from Hampton but he's good if you're coming in as a complete beginner, if you want to study him you should study him before the bridge man. The reason Loomis is put off until the end is because faces are the hardest thing to draw! Part of copying bridgman is to work up your accuracy so you can be confident and not get filtered.
chonmang_drawing, hide channel, love life drawing, hampton, xiao weichun
loomis - esp figure drawing for all its worth - is hard as hell. ten pages in he tells you to draw hundreds of manikins in perspective without reference.
Hampton, Vilppu, Bridgman
Skip Loomba

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Have something like this ever happened to you? What would you do in this situation?
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Because they are either young or retarded.
I don't do commissions, but isn't more common to deliver samples? I would just deliver a masked sample (something like gmask or flmask but only 1 way function) when paid I would deliver the whole piece.
>Have something like this ever happened to you?
No because I don't draw SFW. SFW commissioners are the most dogshit entitled retards imaginable.
They can't be worse than NSFW commissioners.
>Freelance = commissions
God you twitter retards are stupid

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1: Post a brief backstory if your OC has one.

2: Character design critique and discussion is welcome.

3: Keep it fairly SFW. Lewds are fine but no explicit porn.

4: This is NOT a request thread. Artist ONLY. No spamming OC/infodumps for multiple threads without delivering.

5: Be sure to thank Drawfrens for their hard work as soon as you can, it's just common courtesy :^)

6: Avoid off-topic discussions and DO NOT respond to bait posts.

7: Leave all the chit-chat out unless to thank drawfrens. Draw more and talk less.

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Not until I do a fill

>tfw no time for fills
I like your style anon, whats your oc? and blog if you have one
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Sorry, the pose turned out much stiffer than I expected but I hope you’ll like it anyways. The concept of Omen’s bandages is very interesting and she has an adorable design.
I liked the difference in clothing style between Tina and Judy, cute OCs.

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I want to get into visual art. Where should I start? Where can I learn about the concepts.
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Start with cave painting and work your way up learning about each era and the various artists therein.
Is this bait like start with le Greeks?
Obviously you can enjoy a medium without taking part of it yourself, but you gain further enjoyment out of knowing the little genius things that the majority of consumers will just not be able to take in.
Like the most basic example in art is if you look at that one Moses sculpture Michelangelo did where one of his pinky fingers is raised and you can see he added in the extensor digiti minimi on his forearm (a muscle which sole purpose is to raise the pinky finger)
So if you don't know anatomy you'll look at the sculpture and think wow what a great sculpture, but if you know anatomy you'll also enjoy the attention Michelangelo gave to really capture the realism of the anatomy.
Same in music where if you just like music but don't partake in it you'll most often miss the subtle genius things the composer/instrument player did unless it's super obvious.
It's about the depth of your appreciation not "you don't do X so you're below appreciating it, hmph"
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What do you think this thread is about, Baka?

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I'm not exactly a full blown beginner, how much time would you give me now before I eventually reach an higher enough level (average mangaka/skilled and popular social media artist) judging from my current artwork?
What I want to improve for now is manga-style inked character drawings and NSFW art, with enough detail and draftmanship behind (one thing I dislike about my art is that it's too simplistic and even symbol-like at times), and I've been slowing working toward it those days despite being able to only draw around 1 hour or less due to attending a job course. Note that I'm not referring to how to study fundamentals and the likes since I know I'll need to start studying them religiously, I'm just looking for tips, thoughts and harsh critique.

My long term plan is first making a name for myself online as an artist, then release the first chapter of my first actual attempt at a comic (as in serialized and in chapters, not funny single pages with 4 panels) between 2025 and 2027. I value both good illustrations and good storytelling, but I'm lacking too much for my standard with the former and just started studying the latter very recently.

For now, the artists I've referenced for my style enough to actually call them influences are Hiroyuki Takei, Philippe Druillet and Kazuki Takahashi.
In regards to furry shit, I especially like Gaku (@quququl_) and Kokimantarou for lineart and form reasons.
I was also a fan of CaptAnaugi some years ago, but now I'm better off aiming for higher (not to say the dude's bad btw).
I'd say I'm only starting to get an idea of what I want to draw like pretty recently, and even then my technical skills don't match to even what I perceive as decently but still averagely skilled by art standards (as in, outside the standards of this board)
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Gabe The Lame.
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have you even rendered yet
the schlub
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You may say it as a joke, but putting a lot of effort on getting the face of a character as faithful to the source material is a good thing to do when it comes to fanarts because it allows you to get closer to the character's original vibe. And his attempt at it was quite solid here, not a full recreation, but quite faithful.
>that faggot who only draws one blond girl?
As if that was a bad thing.

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Female Models Thread
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Bullshit. It's the holding the hair part that makes it a shitty, unrealistic pose (but not every pose needs to be realistic). There's also the hardness of those metal or resin chairs. You can kind of release the pressure on your ass by rotating your hips and pressing your knees together like that. Try sitting on a kitchen chair and you'll see what I'm talking about.
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You also got to remember that girls don't have balls, so closing their legs like that isn't a big deal
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Well going to stop posting now that we hit the bump limit, till next time

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Post any female resources you found helpful



All on the female form, no male stuff allowed (futa acceptable)
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really like the forms on the upper right, the entire thing is made of disconnected lines yet it just looks coherent

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I wanna get better at drawing cute guys but a part of me yearns for a second half. Being single sucks. I wanna find a man who’s chill and vibes with what I draw. But if he’s insecure, I’m worried I have to ditch art all together…
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my ex started resenting me over time because i enjoyed drawing muscular men. if he gets insecure over it, it shows poor character. ditch him, not art.
women have inferior aesthetic sensibilities, they don't get at the thing in itself, their art is decoration first, meaning second
it's best to not tell your boyfriend about your art so you can draw anything you want without feeling judged, unless you're into that
Late response, but he has waifus too and buys figures of them. He doesn't draw though. Sorry you are unlovable.
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Attend local science fiction conventions,especially those concerned with the literature. They tend to be smaller,more intimate, and you can both network and hook up.

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Is it possible to retain your privacy when posting to social media as an artist, namely sites like X/Twitter?
It seems like you inevitably will be losing some level of privacy to me.

I’m a pretty privacy-minded guy and rn I’m in the process of switching to Linux and their shitty programs and I’m not about to go through all this just to realize “Oh, that was all for now huh”
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Everyone deserves privacy, even you, retard. It’s not about hiding crimes, it’s about the right to keep personal things personal. I know I don’t want some 13 year old cancel culture Gen A trying to cancel me because I drew boobs on a woman or said something that could be perceived as offensive out of context.
Cancel culture isn’t real, fag
>and making income from art in doing so.

LMAO the window of opportunity has been gone since mid 2023.
Should have posted my shitty art consistently when I was a teen on tumblr
>Finds you on linkedin
Nothing personnel kid

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How can I avoid this being me
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The truth is modern transgender identity was created in 1966 by John Money through an experiment everyone involved wishes had never happened. And for 50 years psychiatrists symply kept gender dysphoria under the rug by giving the extremelly few people who actually showed true signs of it (aprox 4M in the whole damn world) the same antipsychotic they give to anorexics which pretty much erases the mania.

Then in 216 satanic politicians lost the culture war to a t.v. clown and have been doubling down on destroying the world in revenge ever since.
>And for 50 years psychiatrists symply kept gender dysphoria under the rug by giving the extremelly few people who actually showed true signs of it (aprox 4M in the whole damn world) the same antipsychotic they give to anorexics which pretty much erases the mania.
>I don't know what studies you posted I came here 5 minutes ago and I'm not even sure what you retarding about, but if it's "muh studies show trannies are le natural" then just know that if you didn't spend your life acquiring specific degrees you can't prove or disapprove any "studies", you fully rely on them being unbiased and honest to the public.
You don't *need* to have a degree to disprove a study in some cases. You can point out methodological issues, statistical issues, or logical flaws. Of course that could be hard for someone who hasn't studied those fields.

But, remember what you said here applies to you as well. You are just some random person online. You aren't an expert, and you haven't presented any research on the matter to support your point of view. People don't have any reason to believe what you are saying. They have no way of knowing that you are unbiased and honest.

But like you said you don't want to debate, so I suppose all that is besides the point. Talking with you more on the matter would be a waste of your time. Have a good day.
It’s not because he’s a nazi. It’s because he’s clever and talks about the elephant in the room without actually saying it. You should study it.
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I've learnt so much from this thread about efficient drawing practices and speeding up my workflow. Thank you fellow artists.

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