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vilppu will outlive us all
now we need to learn ai shit
This year is killing all the random good people.
Don't worry, Glenn. As long as you stay away from chocolate you'll be fine.
Do it, I'm ready

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Whenever I see a webtoon/comic that actually looks good the artist is either French or Nigerian

>Space Punch

>Ruthless Render
>Apple Black
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This one isn't manga influenced. Looks like Disney.
French have been exposed to manga and anime for a long time, they're huge consumers of it, massive market. Makes perfect sense that all of this would end up producing quality fauxmangaka.
they draw
They actually draw and don't waste time shitposting on /ic/

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It is just me or trying to draw heavily stylized proportions like CLAMP without it looking uncanny is pretty hard even if you have a decent grasp of realistic human anatomy?
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Unironically, learn how to draw normal proportions.
>OMG like, darwiing good cartoons is like so hard??? I didn't realize i would have to like develop that style sooo weird
>t. you
I'm posting in your thread because I have crippling CLAMP bias. I drew a fuck ton of CLAMP growing up and while I don't feel like posting work I've been told the inspiration is visible
A lot of my progress has been on gesture work and proportions.

But also, which era of CLAMP specifically? The one in the OP? Or do you have a generation of CLAMP in mind? For me, Magic Knight Rayearth, XXXholic, Angelic Layer, Tsubasa Chronicles, chobits, x1999 etc. was my favorite era and I felt they really has a fun and clean art style in this era.
I'm not talking about any anime adaptions. Manga only.
>implying clamp doesn't look uncanny as hell
the trick is to not care because some weirdo will like it anyway.

also asian jeans
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>But also, which era of CLAMP specifically?
Specifically the CCS and Rayearth ones. Looking specifically for tips regarding clean linework and clothing/armor designs, as well as proportioning. Another similar manga artist I like is Hiroyuki Takei for similar reasons (alongside his mecha design and his inking style somewhat closer to western(?) comics with not much screentones usage if at all). Toru Nakayama who did the designs for the Mega Man Zero games is also right up my alley. Nightow and Mamoru Nagano seem like artists I need to get into as well.

I am the most familiar with 80s to 2000s era anime/manga btw. Is there a modern equivalent to the sort of stuff I've mentioned artwise?

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i've drawn this shitstain garbage with 0 formal learning about art fundementals
and no reference whatsoever...
what do u think of these for a noob beginner ??
should i give up drawing anime or should i pursue a rigiourus art training ?
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I will tell you something, it takes most people around 2-3 years to become a mediocre artist, and some people never even get to that level. It takes even longer to become good.

So it's worth it if you're okay with sucking for 3 years.
you will never fit in.
It has appeal so I like the good parts more than I dislike the bad parts. Learn drawing techniques and practice though. It’ll only make you improve as long as you don’t learn the soul out of your work.
First try? Wow you just fucked up 99.999% of this shithole called ic. You have the talent. Keep drawing dont let the crabs here drag you down.

The only worthy part of this shitty place is the book section and downloads everything else sucks big time.

>The only worthy part of this shitty place is the book section and downloads

This is the only reason I still come here.

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>AI art is the future guys artists are totally finished. Ai art can totally draw amazing original art on its own without ripping off existing art
meanwhile in reality this is the actual plagiarism that goes on. people just haven't been made aware of it fully yet due to how hard it is to source the images that are getting stolen for the AI art
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honestly this image is a good example for the AI vs human debate.
you can't really make a easy prompt to create this image. not with all the ideas in it, down to the composition, pose, values and ...uh, lesbian undertones?
and even if you could, like i said, it would need an excessive amount of guidance.
right now i'm sure all you would get is gibberish if you tried to force these many ideas.

the best AI can get, as a tool, is if you could create this image with a page worth of prompts and parameters.
and again, even then it's still a tool. and it will stay that way until it can evaluate and understand its own work.

actually, we don't even need to go that far. AI can't even make 2 random figures interact in ANY meaningful way, because it would have to understand what it is depicting to do so.
this is why it is so good at drawing tits currently, because it's a simple object and there are so many of them out there (both drawn and as photos, videos) that you get ample data.
but it will be much, much harder to get that much data on more elaborate poses, much less interactions between multiple figures.
>AI can't even evaluate their OWN art for whether it's any good or not. whether it's any good for our human eyes, that is.
I mean, yeah. that's not really out of the question to state that their evaluation is perfect, the algorithm itself is pretty recent and still has a long way to go.

>AI can't look at an image and say "this gives X kind of impression" or what the mood of a piece is, or why.
eh, doubt it. that sounds more like pattern recognition, which algorithms are already capable of doing. they don't need to understand 'why' those patterns are connected, it just recognizes that those patterns are connected and classify them as such. you don't need sentience for that. its all just data it can analyze and then classify it as such.

>you need the exact same as an actual human mind, nothing less will do.
not really. if you focus only on 'analyzing art' there are a lot of parts you can get rid of since they're not relevant to the task. its not like you need the ability to walk or move your body or have a pulse or digest food if the focus was purely on 'analyzing art'.

>Tell me what's the AI scoring system on a piece? I'll tell you there is none, because it's just statistical analysis on a lot of data.
huh. i wasn't talking about a scoring system similar to chess where there is a distinct win or lose condition, more like comparing whether or not the generated noise matches up with the pattern it 'recognizes' but eh, i guess this data analysis stuff is not for me.
>there's ai garbage on /mbg/ right now. there's ai garbage on /twg/ right now
Yes, there will be "ai garbage" everywhere for the rest of your finite human life. There will AI created images, there will be AI created music, AI will translate things more and more, AI will take care of animation, AI will create 3D models and increasingly take over things like video game or even Animated movie voice acting: https://www.aroged.com/2022/09/22/media-aaa-game-developers-are-actively-using-ai-for-voice-acting/
They will be in Mods: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Med-uB52jWI

It will help Remaster or recreate old series and movies, it will write stories and books and much more, some of which you can't even imagine right now.

At some point there will be so much "ai garbage" that it will surpass the amount of "human garbage", then surpass it by a magnitude of 10x or even 100x or more. And there's nothing you can do to stop it. Welcome to the future.

If it's any consolation though, at some point you won't be able to tell.
>can't read 5 lines to save his life
Visual context? Tf are you talking about
Nah it's fine people already got bored and stopped spamming that shit.

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You know that things in the art world are starting to get pretty bad when instead of upcoming artists asking questions like;

>How can I make something original?

They are now instead resorting to asking shit like;

>How can I steal this and make it look like my own?
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Well done completely missing the meaning of that phrase.
>the mindless legal machinations of a corporate industry have any bearings on the timeless laws of artistry
I figure that as well. Little bit irksome to think the customer who took the pic thought they discovered the accidental joke. Perhaps it was the employee themself who took the photo and we’ve all been made a fool.
>it’s a law because a hack said it
“Only faggots steal” - Jesus H. Gaddafi
nothing you've ever made has been ex-nihilo

The king is dead. Long live the dark ages.
He put a light in me I will carry all my life.
>[Citation Required]
He did so much great illustration, it's sad he never had a big career in the comics field
woah he was not fat, did some incel jealous of his drawing ability get him????
AI killed him

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What video courses/resources should I seek to learn how to draw industrial, megastructure city landscapes like picrel? Or what advice do you have to learn to study this?

I'm a bit familiar with perspective, but I've only used it in gesture/form drawing of the body. Nothing fancy and complicated like 3 point perspective, cone of vision and stuff like that.

Also most courses about landscaping I try are basically just some autist making random shapes and then making another fantasy landscape with trees and shit #3929 . So what do anons?
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When you first looked at the image did you focus in on the light or the person first?
I changed up the bottom clothing and brightened up the whites. What do you see now with the person? Do you still see a clown?
linear algebra and photography/various lense effects

I have no idea; as I said, if you want to improve it, working it out with a few thumbnails seems to be the best option

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What is this kind of artstyle called?
Artist: https://twitter.com/aiu404l
Do you think imperfect, squiggly, scribble style art will be more valued after AI takes over art?
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damn im a mod on her discord
I had seen an art of Bridget from guilty gear in this style but I can't find it again, anyone know of it?
It's gonna be a while till it can get the line art right. The problem is oeikai is done with pixel based programs while the AI uses vectors. Even upscaling Oeikai ruins the crisp line art.
Fug I meant Oekaki. Just kick me.
It's gonna b a while, but how long secifically? A year? Several? Either way, it's not far off.

Sup you talentless crabs. I just completed Marc Burnet's art school today. Guy's the best teacher and artist I've ever met. Loomis? Hack. Can't even shade a ball right. Vilpuu? His drawings look like melted trash. Watts? Overrendered and uncanny valley. Hutson? Looks unnatural as fuck. But Burnet? An actual pro that's worked in the industry. The others mentioned were small fries with little credits. Burnet's been around though. Guy can draw a perfect circle 9/10. His anatomy is flawless and perspective and rendering are a joke to him. I suggest you all go watch his YouTube videos because you'll never make it unless you study someone actually great.

Look at this 25 hour piece he did. He's on another level.
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did you actually do it though?
this thread is the most effective way op can get any attention without sucking cock but somehow he still manages to suck cock in this thread
lol jealous marc burnet is a pro and made it? youll never make it like he did. im also churning out pro pieces thanks to my sensei
So this is the power of the Marc Brunett Art School i’ve been hearing so much about. Huh.
Nice bait, didn't even need to get past first line to know that.

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Im using CSP for the first time, how the FUCK do I snap these two models together so the guy on the bike matches it so I dont have to move both individually
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holy fuck you pajeets show up everyfucking where even random threads like this
Is he raping his bike?
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Anyone know how do i clip an object to a hand so they both move together
If you thought your life sucked, just remember that thing and things like that thing exists, literally does nothing but post about AI and shit in the streets.
Import bike model. While in the same layer, Drag and place human model on top of bike. Wala.

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Is doing the Sakimichan/Cutesexyrobutts/Reiq thing a real possibility (financially) now that this AI bullshit is around? Or should I just give up.

I know that AI is not as good as real artists, but maybe it's good enough to satisfy the coom enjoyers. Thoughts?
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>Printers cant reproduce the texture of painting
Who cares? The vast majority of people don't give a shit about that, they want a pretty picture. Something they will be able to get really easily with AI, and print out. Traditional was shit even before this and will continue to be even more shit after this, simply due to the fact that painting and drawing traditionally incurs vastly more expenses than digital art.
This is simply not true. A lot of professional artists and highly skilled artists are angry at this theft-AI. And rightly so..
YOU are clearly the one who don't get it. And why would you? You're not an artist and as such you don't understand anything about what being an artist entails.
Acting all smuck and all knowing. Your attitude is shit. You're talking to people who have dedicated a lot of time to this. You clearly are just a fucking tourist.

And no. No great artist would love the possibilities of losing their reach because of theft-AI.
Fuck off will you. You don't know what you're talking about. Only stupid, ignorant or spiteful people share your sentiment..
You use img2img, lmao. txt2img is for brain dead coomers, it doesn't have any value as a tool. But img2img can be ridiculously good.
My current process probably goes something like
>type a general, short prompt that describes the concept I'm thinking about into txt2img
>generate a 4x4 grid just to make sure the AI gets the general gist of what I want
>leave txt2img on for 10 minutes generating things and then browse through the results
>find an image with general composition I like
>find several more images with individual elements that I like
>photobash it all together using the first image as the base
>leave the human figures alone at this point even if they look like vomit because the AI can at least get the general silhouette right, maybe erasing an extra limb here or there if it's too egregious
>throw it through img2img, at low denoising strength to smooth out the rough edges between my hackjob copy pasta job and loop the result through img2img until I'm satisfied, this time with a very specific prompt describing the scene in detail
>layer all the results over each other and selectively pick the best elements from each
>fix the damn human faces and limbs because Christ this thing is fucking awful at them
>crop out the humans and individually repeat the same process as above, except with denoising strength set VERY low because the moment you give it an inch it'll take a mile and start generating fucked up hands again, this time with prompts that specifically describes the elements of each individual human figure
>paste the final humans back into the original shot and maybe run it through img2img one more time if there's some awkward seams that resulted from this
>maybe repeat the last few steps with a few non-human elements in the picture if I really want to get them right

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>no you can't draw anything else besides pompeian styles
>no you can't draw realistic because the church don't like it
>no you can't draw realistic hands, albrecht
>no you can't draw nude people
>no you can't sit on the market place and draw nice houses, adolf
>no you can't use personal computers to make art
>no you can't use AI as a tool
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aphantasias cant make art
thats called imagination.
Sure but a lot of people have a awesome imagination BUT no skills to express themselves.
idea guys never had great ideas.
>seeing this argument in the other AI thread.
When is /ic/ going to accept that these threads themselves are AI generated?

>He still hasn't transitioned to real life painting
You don't wanna compete with the ever learning AI, right?
>he actually thinks he risks getting replaced by AI
Hell, if you're dumb enough to think this, maybe you will.
I'd say 90% of digital artists will be replaced in about a year, because its simply logical. The art is created 10000x faster, and its cheaper. Just give it some more time to evolve. Sure you'll still be able to make your own art, but never get a job from it.
you guys noticed tradfags never post their work and when they do it's pre-beg level?

So how can I into expressions? I seriously want to be able to draw expressions and convey emotion in such a convincing way that nobody would be able to tell I’m on the spectrum.
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try studying actors as well. ideally pick one that you like and get a sense of how they go through a range of different expressions
Self-diagnosed autistism is not autism. I'm autist because my mother took me to a doctor when I was 9 and I was diagnosed and you know what? Fuck it. It's not being special.

I'm ASD Level 2 and hate manga and anime.
as a non autistic person, faces rendered by autistic people always look 'off' somehow, it's like they don't know what emotion they're trying to express, i can tell if the artist is an atist just by looking at the way they draw faces
Since you're autistic, maybe you should rely on a reference sheet

Wtf, do you have any examples

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