Is drawing intuition something you either have or you don't?>think I'm intermediate with 7 years of daily drawing>can draw most things I set my mind to, and to a level I like>comfortable with fundies and stylization>see something basic like pic related>realize it was drawn freehand with no sketch or preparationNow I obviously understand the perspective here and the finger volume and the general shapes etc and I'd have no problems drawing something like this, but I'd need a sketch, and some erasing/fixing, and maybe a style reference, and also balance the overall composition by flipping the image etc I realized this is the sort of drawing that I'm not even close to drawing freehand with no preparation even though I try to do ~30-60 minutes of practice of it every day, is it just intuition? Something you're born with and can't built no matter how much you try?
>>7917911Time for some truth nukes:>people with OCD/dyslexia/dyscalculia are more than likely to be "naturally talented" artists due to stronger visual-spatial aptitude and 3D visualization than the average person>these people have a much easier time building a visual library and recalling + drawing what they seeHOWEVER>you can rewire your brain to do what they do, but it takes a lot of workThe practical way would be something like this:warmups:>blind contours>gesture studiesComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
there are two types of artiststhe guy who lays down perspective lines, does full construction, spends time liquefying it to fix the anatomy, then draws over it with a sketch, then draws over the sketch with final lineart, then liquefys the lineartand the guy who just draws direct lineart raw. erasing things to try again.
>>7918151t. guy who doesnt like any art unless its made by a buck toothed yellow slant eyed chink
>>7920498Ok.First off, before you draw anything, imagine it in detail in your mind. If you don't have a clear idea of what you want, you don't have a good chance of getting it out of your head. Picture the details, where you want the light and dark if it's part of it, imagine actually sketching but inside your head. Also, if you're having trouble at the beginning, try weird stuff like describing it out loud or writing it down.Now, a good exercise is the one old engineering drawing textbooks would start you on, which is to give you a couple sides of an object and ask you to draw all of it in three-dimensions and then the opposite, giving you a three dimensional object and ask you to draw what the sides look like. This will, if you do not cheat, unfailingly teach you to imagine just exactly what the object in your mind should look like when you're about to draw it. You can work your way up to very complex objects and your mind's eye will thank you for it. You only need one of those cheap old technical drawing problem books and a lot of practice. They've got lettering in them too, which will steady your handAnd a very good other one is to draw from memory. Pick a subject, start simple and then work your way up, look at it for a good while, same as before, mind the details and everything else you wish to draw, then hide it and let at least a minute pass (this is very important, don't start immediately or your brain won't have time to forget. You want to really force your brain to produce the image) then draw the subject. In my experience, this is the hardest exercise that I can do and while I rarely if ever forget the details, I have to consciously remind myself to take a mental note of the proportions of the subject or the drawing will not resemble the original. I used to do this exercise with pokemon and they really lend themselves well.Don't be afraid to make mistakes, it will stop you from practicing as much as you need to. Part 2 with advice incoming
>>7922445Advice, some from the greats, some personal experience:here's a site from a guy that's spent a lot of time working on visualization. I suggest you give it a look, it's pretty goodhttps://www.alecfigueroa.com/post/visualization-training-mega-guideRemember to take time off and draw for fun and forget about everything while you do it or you'll grow to hate this in no timeLeonardo was known to take inspiration for his work from the patterns of the knots on the wood, or the splotches of paint on the floor, or again the tiny shadows of the edges of bricks on the walls. However, something related to this which I rarely see mentioned is what he himself had to say about this practice: "You will only see in those random figures only that which you have studied and you already know how to draw". If you can't imagine it you don't know it well enough - you have to study what you want to draw first before you can imagine it. Then, with what you have studied you will be able to imagine even that which does not exist. But do not forget the first part. If it was necessary for him, it's safe to say it's necessary for us.Another one, from Raffaello this time: "I paint according to an idea". You have to have what you want in mind and then you'll get it.And finally Dalì, who says that you must get a good drawing teacher to look after you or, lacking that, merely a pair of different eyes from yours that will be able to see those mistakes we spend hours convincing ourselves we haven't made. This can be anyone, but I suggest somebody you trust to be honest and not a retard.Also, if you're like me, find a pretty girl that's interested in art like you and start showing her your exercise drawings. Your motivation will skyrocket and you will be much more strict with yourself when you're working on your drawing.
I'm really taken aback when I see someone is in their early 20s doing some very impressive thing. It can be drawing, but it's more their secondary knowledge of programs, art in combination with 3D, photoshop, motion graphics, video editing, coding, etc.Then I often hear how they took classes for these things in high school. We never had anything like that. They learned all of these super useful things while I was forced to take bog standard math science and language classes. It was just that kind of school.What was your high school experience like?
>>7913541That's a boomer trait to have. Expunge that poison ASAP, lest you end up like the worst generation as well.
>>7913753I think you actually hate your own subgroup, not the NEETs whom you seem to envy.
>>7913541No, at 30 I only care about me and what I can do.
>>7913753If you really want it badly just go homeless. It's impossible to die of starvation as an American.
>>7913541Mid 20s here, I don't resent them so much as I look on with regret with "damn, I wish I hadn't been so stupid".I spent a lot of my teen years scoffing over drawing cool shit and refused to learn to draw through fundies or copying because I believed just purely drawing was the real path and everything else was "cheating". It ended up stunting my art until my late teens and early 20s when I realized I fucked up, then I spent years procrastinating and agonizing on sheer perfectionism and constantly studying until recently when I realized "fuck it", now I draw like I want, but I no longer constrain myself to the arrogance of my younger self nor to the perfectionism, rigidness and anxiety of my older self. And as a result, I already see improvement. My biggest weakness is that whenever the scales tipped, I always went from one extreme to another, and both ruined my art progress. I will never again fall for that error. I do still feel some envy when I see an artist from the 90s and 2000s who drew absolute perfection in almost the same style and way I wish I could draw, but they were all significantly younger back then than I am now. But resentment? No, if anything I congratulate them reaching the path. But one of my biggest fears is growling old and never drawing everything I've wanted to draw or to be able to express my ideas. I hope I'll be able to do so before that ever happens. Also:>Then I often hear how they took classes for these things in high school. We never had anything like that. I went to a private school, and I assure you. You did not miss on much. A huge chunk of these classes were not very well-equipped as far as curriculum and teaching. Coding classes often focused moreso on shilling Python. Photoshop classes mostly just went through the basics without going deep into anything, video editing was just editing some shitty transitions on iMovie, etc.
I was super hungry but can't eat and I sorta zoned out and was able to imagine this sandwich so hard i could just draw it without reference wtf???
>>7916517it took random intervention from God to give op the ability to eel the form, yet people here will insist you should JuSt DrAw
>>7916517You can't draw something that simple without hallucinating it or using a reference?Am I really having it this easy in life simply because I can vividly remember things in different formats of conceptualizations?
>>7922368pyw nword
>>7922373Hmmm nyo.Just remember how things are.It's the same way you remember words, numbers, etc.If I say cube or sphere, you surely remember how a cube or a sphere are made or written.Just apply that same principle to everything.I've always thought this was how the majority of people think and remember things. It's surprising to me that normal people without aphantasia also struggle with such simple objects.Drawing from imagination is more drawing from memory than anything, if you can't remember things properly, you'll never be able to draw interesting stuff from imagination.
>7922383every time
I really want to be able to stand it up and have like an easel setup going on. I also want the one that is most like traditional.
>>7920435Krita, or CSP if that's your jam but it's subscription slop.
>>7905190Is it really tho? Most android drawing tablets only get like 2-3 years OS updates and some apps like CSP would end support to older versions
Anyone knows how to pirate csp on an android tablet?
You guys should ditch XP Pen. I had two and they both broke within two years. “Buy nice or buy twice” is real. Also, the Cintiq is nice because you don’t really need a screen protector, and you’ll actually save money down the road.
>>7921288Even Cintiqs will break in a few years. Displays are complicated. If you're cheap enough to not want to buy replacements every three years, you get a pen tablet and hope the God of Hand-eye Coordination blesses you.
I am happy my 2d skills keep improving without becoming rusty.
>>7922198Keep it up my man.It sounds a bit hollow but it is nice to see someone enjoying the results of their efforts.And remember.The most important fundamental is to have fun
>>7922267>The most important fundamental is to have funsecond-most to go mental
>>7922198Why make a new thread for this? Just post it in a general
The better I get at drawing, the less I feel liek drawing.
daily reminder the fag known ass Cris is dead>OP a skeleton larping
ITT pencils only you like
>>7855593just ordered these, what am i in for
>>7917848In my stores there are only the Faber Castell 9000 and the Staedtler Mars Lumograph.Compared to them, the FC9000:is slightly lighter (you need a 3B for a SML 2B equivalent, for instance);is much more resistant to lead breaks (in fact, the lead are slimmer at softer grades);has a firmer feedback against the surface;is a bit easier to cut with a knife, both wood and lead.Personally I prefer the FC9000, but they are both good. I normally use the 2B as lightest grade.
colerase blue are great pencils.this piece of shit site wont even let me post images anymore. what a fucking joke this place is now.
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>>7918024did it work
Was he the greatest underground comic book artist of all time?
>>7919371is the any indie male comics about being a loner isolated from society
>>7919401>is the any indie male comics about being a loner isolated from societyJoe Matt
>>7917909>you have to grow out of a subject matterCrumb is not a shock jockey, he's indulging his own perverse interests, you're just being a puritan about it.
>>7919401not really indie but I've been enjoying drama queen since launch, really scratches that transgressive itch while still playing everything straight
>>7919401>>7919456
How do you use plumb lines to measure correctly?
>>7920557You put triangles on your eyeballs.
>>7921023I did and it looks off. I might be too featured to understand this
i throw these little retarded lines when i draw the second object, using the first drawing as size reference, then i gradually polish it until it looks right enough to start renderingi hate drawing still life, tho boring as fuck
Yeah i think im gonna quit drawingIm too retarded to understand this. Maybe its depression messing with me
>>7921728This is just one of the many methods of measuring you can try to learn, lil bro.It's not the end of the world, you'll deal with this dilemma eventually.
The hand holding the staff is wrong, how did it pass quality control ?
imagine the putrid sweaty cheesey smell
>>7921833This. Yu-Gi-Oh! had incredibly appealing designs and that's all it needed.
>>7921869brrrrrrrraaaaaaap
>>7921878I've been doodling swords and such lately, and whenever I would put up something like the one in that pic, I would scrap it. Seems too...juvenile? Derivative? I don't know.
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what is this style and why does it mog most furry art?
>>7921202>>7921781you're all cowards who need tits and hips to fuck furries. i only need two legs and fluff.
>>7921759Furries were different back in the day. Most of them nowadays are just IT folk with a kink, and the self-flaggelating "I'm so persecuted" shitck has largely passed to terminally online LGBT shitheels. Furries just aren't the obnoxious internet menace they once were.They can stiff yiff in hell though.
>>7921793I didn't say anything about needing human tits and hips, thoughever.The only 2 things I need are cute/pretty/cool looks and, ideally, the ability to breed with humans.I'm into feral, xeno and terato sides of things too.
>>7921818funny, i actually consider biological incompatibility a perk, not a bug.
>>7921202>what is this styleKemono.>why does it mog most furry art?It's furry and anime at the same time so they're just stroking extra hard to it.
>you mind your own business, not bothering anyone>a Russian schizoid writes you a passive-aggressive email and sets a trap for you>you reply, only to fall further into the trap>the Russian schizoid says "aha!" and launches a massive report attack on your account because you "wasn't polite to him">your account, with its 10-year audience, is permanently bannedNever reply to anyone who doesn't live in America, Australia, or at least Canada.Never reply to people from Eastern Europe or lower.
>>7922103>>7922154you tend to notice this more in latin america. Those fuckers are super entitled and treat art like shit to the point they think not getting any free art is a human's right violation. When ever an artist opens commission or an artist is trying to sell their work, the first to get mad about it is some fucker from latin america.
Send His Discord Tag to a gay Thread saying "Add me , this is my Tag :)" follow it so you know if he changes it , and do it when you are bored (for 2 years minimum). And keep doing it none stop. But also never respond to his Mails again.
Extra suggestion. If you find his Steam account if he is retarded enough to have it in a bio in whatever Social. Hire a small BotFarm and have his main one mass reported for scamming. Do it more as a hobby so you aren't obsessed.
>>7915940>>7916152>>7916157>>7916164You did nothing wrong OP, people like that are assholes and there's nothing you can do about it. Even if you draw for free out of kindness like me, then they'll treat you like garbage by asking for revisions. Those types get off from being selfish and controlling others.
>>7922168>perceived as a fun hobby that makes people feel it's its own rewardhuh I wonder why is that [spoiler]it all comes down to art itself being useless anon[/spoiler]>Those fuckers are super entitled and treat art like shit to the point they think not getting any free art is a human's right violation. Lmao yeah, they can't conceptualize that art is a luxury. I'm mexican myself and people here overall just lack respect. Poor education and you get this low empathy, anti intellectual types. Which is a shame because culturally the country has a lot to offer.
Good quotes by artists?
>>7922041Warhol was smart too
>>7922042Here Warhol is saying that he has nothing else to do besides being ugly and that's why he makes art, which is why his art is also ugly
What are the implications of being left handed and drawing? Holding my stylus with my left hand and crossing over with my right hand to press ctrl+z is awkward. Any tips?
>the implicationsSpiral-bound sketchbooks that open left-right will constantly get in the way of your hand. You could simply draw from the back cover like some kind of funny jap, but I personally just got used to it. I also own some top-bound spirals for this exact reason.Map your shortcuts to num pad. It's actually better and is one of the few times being left-handed comes with a slight advantage. I guess you could also simply reposition your keyboard relative to your hands, and thus use whatever you like.
>>7921744holy reddit diagnosis. youre the fucking autistic one here retard
>>7921747If he wants to be a twitter artist, he won't have any choice.
get a keypad, streamdeck, anything you can find that can give you extra buttons to use when doing art. even a ps4 controller can work using Steam to set desktop bindings
>>7921842everyone here is autistic
Didnt see one up so id like to make a thread asking anons to share their value study references. Im trying to get into doing 2-3 value studies but its hard to find approachable reference/practice images.
threedscans com or even just sketchfab andlight them yourself in blender
I made a script for kinda sorta this purpose recently. Let me see if I can get it up on my github quickly.
>>7921143>its hard to find approachable reference/practice images.It's hard to type "marble sculpture museum catalogue" in Google?https://www.capronicollection.com/pages/historic-catalogs
https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search?material=Sculpture&offset=0https://www.rijksmuseum.nl/en/collection/search?query=Sculpture&collectionSearchContext=Art&page=1&sortingType=Popularity
>>7921957>>7921143https://github.com/flash-computer/CRFHere you go anons. It is going to be a pain in the ass to install if you're not technically inclined, but I made sure to include precise newbie friendly instruction in there for windows users. Have fun.
i know the materials(perspective made easy , loomis, draw with eye etc) and some drawabox routines, but i have literally no direction and just been fucking around with references and shitposting. I am improving but just barely.can someone give me a daily routine(short ones like i dunno 1-1.5 hours max to draw art that's not "just draw" and utilizes the common /ic/ mnaterials and refs mentioned above??
just draw lol
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>>7918888(nta)Finally one of the secrets of drawing. This is actually helping.Luckying I roamed a bit in this thread. I thought people would just trash talk.
>>7918617Not trying to pop off but now that I'm decently strong I realize just how overrated routines are. They're nice for organizing and optimizing things, but you really can get strong by just going and throwing some weights around with whatever muscle group isn't sore, the gym equivalent of /justdraw/>>7918610Anyway to actually try to contribute to answering the OP question, you improve at art and any skill by practicing your weak points. You want a loop of- draw your special interest- identify weak points- read/study/exercise weak points- apply what you learned to next drawing- repeatThis is conceptually similar to an OODA loop: observe, orient, decide, act>>7918888Quads of wisdom also
>>7918610The best way to improve is just draw what you like. And if you have no idea how to draw that then look at references. It's that simple.
