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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>6375474

Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
Making Comics
Manga in Theory and Practice: The Craft of Creating Manga

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>>6406682
Goal - at least 20
What usually happens - 7/8ths of a finished page across all of my different series
Most I ever did was 17 pages a week for 2 weeks straight and by the 3rd week I was burnt
Mad respect to serialized manga authors
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Do any of the books and PDFs explain HOW to make a comic by explaining what type of panels to use in what situation? All of them say "lol just be yourself and figure it out! its a secret tee hee!" but I want to know things like
>the ratio of close up to far shots
>how much text to put in a panel so it doesnt feel clunky
>when to draw backgrounds and when to leave it white
Please don't say "if you have to be told this, you aren't ready" because that's a catch 22. They had to learn somehow right? And since we're not japanese we dont have the innate knowledge
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any one use watercolor pencils?
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>>6406709
You just gotta read more comic books and make notes yourself. Read them with both eyes open
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>>6406709
>Do any of the books and PDFs explain HOW to make a comic by explaining what type of panels to use in what situation? All of them say "lol just be yourself and figure it out! its a secret tee hee!" but I want to know things like
The how is up to personal preference, anon. It's not a fucking secret. You literally do just have to figure it out yourself what you like, because there's no real rules other thanthe most basic shit like "avoid tangents" and "don't overdetail" or whatever.
>the ratio of close up to far shots
Depends entirely on what you're going for.
>how much text to put in a panel so it doesnt feel clunky
Depends entirely on what you're going for and the quality of the text itself. Obviously if your dialogue sucks ass then don't fill every page to bursting with it.
>>when to draw backgrounds and when to leave it white
Depends entirely on what you're going for, and also limitations in time/energy. But generally you need at a minimum to establish location when location is necessary, and to keep things spatially coherent when things need to be spatially coherent.
>Please don't say "if you have to be told this, you aren't ready" because that's a catch 22. They had to learn somehow right? And since we're not japanese we dont have the innate knowledge
They don't have "innate knowledge" either, dumbass. They just read lots of manga, so these would stupid fucking questions. It's not that you aren't ready if you have to be told these things (although that IS true), it's that you're looking for answers to "how to do X" when the answer you give is the a huge part of the difference between individual artists. All anybody can do is tell you how somebody else did it, or how they would do it, but that's not the answer to how YOU would do it. This isn't a medium where there's a clear right and wrong way, you have to try lots of shit and see what works for you.

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>I was told to come here from /co/...

Let's say, hypothetically, you wanted to try to self-publish a graphic novel. What website would you use to make something like, say, Watchmen, Sin City, BRZRKR, Maus, and such? Money/Crowdfunding is no issue, color or b&w isn't an issue, just what's the best solution in YOUR opinion? Step by step...
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>>6406543

You need industry houses for that, not a local mom & pop print shop. Google will throw you a dozen good options.

Looked around online and most houses give you the same options, may be a batch minimum. Will set you back just under €2k for 100 copies of a basic 270 page comic. Add stuff like fancy gloss options or heavier paper and it'll start climbing.
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>>6406359
Since we're assuming money is no object and you probably want the best quality, these might be what you're looking for:
https://printninja.com/
https://mixam.com/
https://ka-blam.com/main/
https://www.lulu.com/

they all have templates and in-depth information about printing a physical book from the ground up.
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>>6406631
I'm not so sure about Mixam but I am VERY much aware of Printninja, Ka-Blam and Lulu...thought I think Lulu's comics might be a bit low-quality; not sure though.

Here's the next question: when talking about interior pages, when it's talking about interior pages (cover not included) does that also mean the inside cover, inside back cover AND back cover? This is especially true for single-issue floppies and this has been driving me insane the entire time when doing research.
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>bump
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>>6406775
This is a slow board. Do you even read any print-editions of self-published graphic novels? If you do you could start with those and find out who prints them. If you don't, why would you even want to print one yourself? It's not even a form of media you consume

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Looking for capable artists to work in a super secret pilot animation. We just had two people quit because one of the characters calls the other character a fag and it's suddenly too offensive for them now and I'm a horrible homophobe who can't stop saying the n word. Gee wiz!

I need artists and voice actors so if you wanna lend a helping hand, join our anti transgender project today!

I pay cash money up front if the work is good!!!!!
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>>6404427
Based kot.
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>>6406426
Your invite isn’t working. What’s your code or whatever so I can add you. Discord is the faggiest app I’ve ever used.
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>>6406669
Never mind I fixed the shit. Retard me for thinking it would be intuitive and all I’d have to do is click the join invite on browser and it would take me to the app and auto join me.
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>>6404427

>OP on a mission to save western animation.

Good luck OP, I hope you become filthy rich.

Will you pitch it to a network? It's hard to find a place with right wing media besides youtube.
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>>6404440
schizo

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Especially when you see your own mistakes
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>>6406521
Most skills have swift beginner gains, though, so you can quickly go from clueless retard to amateur level. It's pretty discouraging that drawing completely lacks this.
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>>6406513
Ok then keep assfucking your body like the tired whore that it is and see how that works for you in the long run retard. Your body isn’t a machine, change or suffer smart guy.
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>>6406481
When I don't know what I am doing.
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>>6406481
You don't. Just keep trying.
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Giving up is way too difficult. Keep trying.

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Why is it so rare to find commercial artists using oil painting for their work? I want to find someone to learn from but most of them are retired old farts with little knowledge on how to teach young people
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>>6404885
AI cant paint you retard. You could get some digital piece of shit you can make a print of, but you arent getting brush strokes, the dimensionality of layers of paint and the framed canvas image.
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>>6404961
just going to say this, there are already services that print with paint for the dimensionality, its been something that was being worked on for a VERY long time because the drawn/painted aspect of art is VERY desirable.
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>>6404123
Disgusting pic wtf
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Oil cracks
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>>6404123
is that ian from this boring podcast?

Some oil paintings I did from AI generation. These are not the AI images these are my traditional paintings done from them on canvas
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>>6406694
oh, i see. okay then.
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>>6406589
Welcome to five years ago
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>>6406597
>they've fucked it with the SD generator v2
Can you use v1.5 by dropping int the V1.5 file and use it instead. I figured they'd neuter it so never updated.
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>>6406627
>>6405589
Nyan~! I don't think that's quite right Goshujinsama, nyan. Making art is about expressing ourselves and creating something unique and moe moe kyun, nyan! And as for those class action lawsuits, nyan, I'm not sure that's the best solutionyaa. Perhaps Goshujinsama should focus on ways to incorporate AI art into his own creative practices, nyan, rather trying to shut it down, nyan.
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>6406764
Absolutely subhuman.

post what your working on :>
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Wanted to show the character with her typical weaponry.
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is easier to draw ice ice/ crystals on black or gray construction paper??
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>>6406315
Still working on shadows and details.
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>>6406747
That's some rather low quality bait you got there buddy.

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Why does /ic/ always shit on discord servers?

There are servers out there where literal pros provide quality critique on any drawing you show them. While also keeping the server highly moderated and on-topic.

I don't get how this is somehow worse than the 1,000s of crabs here yelling at you to read loomis or to kys.
And obviously not to mention the totally toxic hugboxes that is reddit, twitter, facebook, etc.
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>>6405134
>all this autism
What the ever loving hell crawled up your ass?
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>>6404882
It's always these types of artist who are the most vocal when it comes to criticisms huh?
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>>6404636
> failed to intergrate into Discord

It's not about integrating. It's the quality of discussion being unsatisfying. All you have to do to fit in is blow smoke up everyone's ass and offer the most platitude ridden basic non confrontational advice possible. But if a group is mostly stagnate artists then interaction will be stagnate as well
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>>6387138
This. Getting used to 4chan as my social outlet in my youth fucked me up bad. You need connections to grow your art, but you can't get connections if nobody knows who you are. I'm unironically trying to get more accustomed to discord, but it's hard when this website is what I know best. I don't even have controversial opinions, except when it comes to loli content, but anyone with a brain knows not to go yapping about that.
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>>6405167
>STOP PROJECTING YOU TERMINALLY ONLINE AUTIST
Says the guy has the page on auto update and immediatetly responds to my post. Stop parroting predictable and go draw you internet junkie you.
>>6405221
ChatGPT read the post above with the speech mannerisms of a suburban American teenager discovering her first period and posting about on reddit.

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Nearly 2 entire hours of some of nonstop rapid fire dynamic male bodies for you to practice. You have no excuses now.

Lords of the Locker Room.
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>>6405800
>>6405803
The male body is just so beautiful bros...
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>>6405827
Is there any "Lords of the Locker Room" but with only females?
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>>6406482
Ultimate Surrender?
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>>6405800
>>6405803
I miss him so much bros
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>>6405800
Fagot shit, but not is art

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I hate my drawings
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>>6406532
anon...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91PyH5BJZDk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAEKdrX0wCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6-zJNxLTeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdotfD8ifBI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eph_7FnmUtI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-WTfP3WJc4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t4KLOm7pO0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKctO1LyVko

aint nobody praying for me 疫の遠宇を
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you think you hate them now? wait until you've been drawing for several years and actually got pretty good, but you still have no engagement or appeal.
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>>6406496
My paintings are smelly with my cum
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>>6406706
Make a game

>>6406724
Post them

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>What is /fag/?
This is the Furry Art General thread, here we post everything related to kemono, furry and animals alike.

>Rules & Guidelines
Please refrain from flaming, causing drama or replying/feeding those who cause such.
This is a SFW thread only, please take caution so you don't get BANNED for posting NSFW art.
This general is NOT and NEVER will be affiliated with any discord servers, DO NOT click any of the discord links that are spammed here!
As always, don't be afraid to ask for critique!

>Resources
https://www.lackadaisycats.com/ishkabibble.php
https://x6ud.github.io/#/
https://sketchfab.com/calacademy
https://sketchfab.com/uod_museums
https://sketchfab.com/osuecampus

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>>6406303
Damn girl does he shit with that ass?
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>>6406335
No, its only made for big wolf cock
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>>6405714
nice tits, bitch
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>>6402260
Finished commission, I feel like the rendering on this sucked but I don’t know how I could improve, thoughts?
>sorry for file size
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>>6406737
Nevermind

Thoughts so far guys? Also what should I have him perched on

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do you really enjoy the process of drawing?
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>>6398106
Yes. If I dont draw I get really uncomfortable, like holding in piss for too long. When I do draw, it feels very good. It releases dopamine or whatever in my brain. I was once on medication that gave me tremors so bad I couldn't draw or even write because of the shakes and tension. I had never felt more miserable in my life. I'm such a huge artfag.
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>>6400900
So wrong and gay. You're going to inevitably fail if your philosophy is that you can only have fun once you git gud. The difference between a long term artist and short term artist is whether you feel catharsis from the creative process or the finished piece (and asspats). Working for perfection will seriously exhaust you.
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>>6398106
Yeah but then I get discouraged/kinda depressed that I will never be good enough to impress my senpai. I unironically dream of being friends with him.
Yes, I know it's pathetic.
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>>6399738
It's pretty big dream for some artists. Only for big and popular vtuber companies though, not that indie $10k vtubers.
Being popular vtuber creator nets you shitton of royalties, guarantees a stable job by creating illustration for events, merch, etc and a lot of fans will come to you from their popularity. That's why most of top vtuber creator/designer has at least 300k followers average on Twitter. Not to mention your designed character are moving with voice and being seen by millions of people
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>>6398106
Yes. No. Well. Kinda? I want to get better but I'm also kinda lazy about just practicing

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What level of mastery are you on?
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>>6405508
pyw
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>>6365800
*Gasp*. This thread is still alive!?
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>>6365800
Level 0 unironically has the most soul

it's imperfect but authentic. The rest is just some low /int/'s idea of what mastery is
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>>6398033
I did try faggot, its a wip but I dont claim the finished product is any better.
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>>6365800
3rd, working my way to 4th

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Previous thread >>6375011

If you're looking for a place to post all sexual works, from pinups with exaggerated proportions to pornography, then this is the right general for you. Both Eastern and Western styles can coexist here.

>Rules & Guidelines
1) Any form of cartooning styles is welcome; submit and receive feedback from others.
2) Please resize your images below 1000x1000 before posting.
3) Share your knowledge, any tips are certainly welcome for all beginners.
4) Do to not be afraid of asking for critique, please be specific on what help you need!
5) Remember all GB3 related content such as lolicon, shotacon, furry pornography, furry and bestiality are banned on ALL boards, including red boards, except /b/ and /trash/.

>Community Resources
>>>/ic/courses
>>>/ic/artbook
characterdesignreferences.com/character-anatomy

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Wip crits welcome
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Any tips on how to draw lace lingerie?
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>>6406370
Thanks for the tip
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>>6405939
Will he be saved? !!!!!!!!!
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>>6399277
>>6399275
>>6399273
Is this an mlp character?


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