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Anyone else ask AI for feedback bc no one else will provide it?
>inb4 pyw
no, I'll get doxxed. AI also doesn't doxx.
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>>7987727
>computer, you were alive
>"i am... Le dead now"
>omg...
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>>7988452
When I tried it it did actually critique the images I sent and didn't just glaze but the critique just seemed hallucinatory and not particularly useful
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>>7987720
>Just ask on /ic/!
/ic/:

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I FUCKIN HATE IPADS
THE DRAWING FEELS LIKE SHIT, THE NIB IS TOO THICK, SCREEN TOO SLIPPERY, NO PROTECTOR HELPS
THE LINE WOBBLE IS WORSE THAN ON SOME 2015 CHINKSHIT TABLETS
BATTERY POWERED STYLUS? 4000 LPI???
TO ALL THE APPLE SHILLS FUCK YOU I WANT MY FUCKIN MONEY BACK NIGGEEEEEEERRS
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>>7988098
I realized that if I wanted Procreate for windows I literally can have it now using Claude Fable so that's what I did btw
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i'm so fucking mentally ill, man. i bought the Wacom Cintiq Pro 27 to learn how to draw
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>>7988098
>>7988261
Whats wrong?
Nothing smug to say now, applefag?
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>>7988309
using procreate on a PC sounds mad homo not finna lie on god
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>>7988293
If you're rich why not

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I traced this to try and get used to using a screenless tablet. So what do you think? Am I getting the hang of this?
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This was my first ever drawing on a tablet.
So I think you should kick rocks, you'll never make it.
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>>7988462
>shows literal beg art
>talks big
kek
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>>7988455
i used to do such shit, now i completely dont care
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>>7988450
Retard.
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>>7988473
Thanks for explaining the joke, Jimmy.

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The general thread for Manga / manga-styled comic-making, manga-style illustration and related comic work. That said, everyone is welcome here.

Support each other and talk about your work or the work of others that excites you. Inking, character design, paneling / layout, writing, planning, and other discussions are all welcome.
Post resources, questions, in-progress pages, breakdowns of other works, etc. If a work is not yours, credit the maker (unless it's fucking obvious like a full page of One Piece or something).
Thanks to everyone for making /mmg/ a level-headed and helpful place. Remember, drawing and making comics and manga are difficult endeavors, and we're all in this struggle together.

Previous thread: >>7975721
Some resources:
/asg/, our stylistic sister-thread series for those focused more on illustration >>>/ic/asg

Books:
Understanding Comics
https://e-hentai.org/g/2042453/83e7da6ed0/
Making Comics
https://annas-archive.org/md5/d55168f7579c1e23275d1fc9f0a2255d

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I have found a new appreciation for writer/artist combo authors in the west: being both the artist and the writer of an american style comic book is harder than in manga because you don't get assistants, you have only one month and you have to sketch the entire thing, ink it , add lettering, possibly even color it. Imagine drawing a whole page in one day, they have to do that daily
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Sup guys, trying to draw comics after mostly painting and illustrating, but it's not really expressive enough for a comic book. Is there a book or a course on style specifically?
Something like pic related in therms of realism.
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>>7988461
It's quicker to just draw something and feel your way through the process.
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>>7988461
Loomis
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>>7988366
Comics are made months in advance, like TV shows. You finish 2-3 issues before it's published and the schedule is more lax from there as long as you don't get too far behind.

How guaranteed is fast art progress if I draw around 6 hours daily (with 2 of those focuses on fundamentals) purely for the will of catching up to higher intermediate/advanced art mutuals more skilled and experienced than you in a relative short amount of time?
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>>7987308
According to the legend in the /ic/ sticky guide, some dude spammed ellipses and Bridgman copies for 3 months and became a pro.

>I want to end it here with a story I heard from Glenn Vilppu, that legendary drawing instructor. Several decades ago, Vilppu headed up the Calarts character animation program. It was a program started by Disney animators for the sole purpose of pumping out artists for the animation studios. One year, a student was going to graduate in 3 months, and he realized that his drawings weren't good enough for the industry, so he privately went to Glenn and asked for help, saying "I'll do anything you tell me to do, just help me catch up".

>Glenn agreed and sat him down for private tutoring. He started him on drawing circles, very slowly, clock-wise and counter-clockwise, for several hours, and then he had him copy drawings by Bridgman. By spending those 3 months practicing circles, and copying from Bridgman, the student was able to bring his skills up rapidly and find a job at a studio. Today, he's a professional working artist and life drawing instructor.

How true is this? Well, try it and tell us.
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>>7987308
Bro I hate these kinds of threads so much. No one who engages in this kind of hypothetical bargaining nonsense will ever lock in.
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>>7987605
How do you lock in thoughbeit?
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>>7987590
Another "useful" tip from /ic/. Time to go back to drawing circles.
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>>7987590
But he was an art student so probably already int. Vilppu probably made him do that because line control and anatomy were his biggest weaknesses.

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I got some questions.
If i have the ability to "copy" (references) what i see with 70-80% accuracy, and now want to improve my ability to draw from imagination e.g, mechs/humans, and i also know the rough shapes of body-parts, yet sometimes the connection between pelvis and legs seems a lil' confusing, how am i to solve the problem?Through practice (whih kind of practice)? How do y'all connect the fundamentals all together ? Like which of the fundamentals is the foundation? Perspective? Setting the scene, and workin' from there? If that would be the case than the whole process seems like a formula for tying one's shoelaces. How do one overcome the tedious thought of that process? It's not like i despice the process, yet to know the drawing will have to follow "strict" rules like vanishin-point, e.g., take the fun of it, kinda.
How can someone create an effective practice routine (for themselves) that is built from the ground up?
Is the solution simply to work through it and let time reveal the results? (Setting aside any feelings of uncertainty.)
And how do i draw with fundamentals in mind yet without the thought of bondage to them?
Thanks for answers.
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>>7988404
nigger, something being 30% inaccurate is first chapter of fwap tier, like you supposed to be better than that by the time you're finished with loomis potato heads
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>>7988420
Does the small mannequin come first or after. Are there sjetch layers below, or do you draw like this in one go?

Finished sketches rarely tell the important part of the story unless you draw them in one go
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>>7988437
I have the reference on another screen; i draw them in one go, no under-lines or gesture-before; i usually imagine the form and the gesture of the subject while drawing it from the reference.
The mannequins i drew quickly afterwards
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_NuJIJ6wGY
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>>7988420
i kneel
Unironically if I’ve seen this in the wild, I would have just assumed AI.

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what slop to make to make rent money selling to local communities or ig or some shit with traditional mediums?
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>>7988289
Along the lines of what this guy said:

I visit open studios a handful of times a year. Not individual studios, but old mill buildings with 60 to 80 artists working within. Most of the space is upper floor rooms with large windows, and the artists are painting (sculpting, printing, etc.) small groups of work within a theme, then they bounce to another. The themes are complex sometimes, and the work isn't always obviously aesthetic or digestible.

On the ground floor is a series of galleries with white walls, large glass fronts, and shoplike entrances. These studios are all producing collage or silhouette work with coral patterns or people on swings with wisps of hair flowing behind them. Enter, and you'll see essentially the same elements in slightly different arrangements with a variety of safe colors. They are targeted at people looking for home decor. If you cannot find what you want, you can literally bring them color swatches from your living room and they will reproduce any of their art in hues that suit. Eight or ten thousand for a painting about 5 foot wide. These artists have the best and most accessible spaces presumably because they are selling a lot more reliably than the upper floor artsy folks.

From an artistic standpoint, their work is boring as fuck. But it is interesting to see to puzzle out how and why they are winning.

I'm not saying there is no other way to be successful. I'm just relating what I've seen out there.
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>>7988252
I’ve been told that boomers really like pet portraits. And human portraits too obviously
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>>7988252
Flowers
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>>7988423
This
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What do you mean by "slop"? You want to scam people with ai slop?

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Hello /ic/

>TL;DR some japanese guy made an easy to use and lightweight tool for anti machine learning
>We now have Nightshade | Glaze | Grid Noise to date against machine learning
>Link: https://grid-noise-animator.vercel.app/en.html
>X Link: https://x.com/TI111310/status/2068316463774265496

I am not a 2D artist (I do 3D art) but I find the way basedciety is treating 2D artists as rogue in nature and quite despicable.

>AI Is basically glorified malware quite honestly

BUT NOW you can protect your artwork in a cool way! Brought to you by japanese people with too much time on your hands, I present to thee:

>Grid Noise Animator!


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AI can only act under directions.

It doesn't jump out of bed and say to itself," Time to make Anime Futa Porn with a Gothic Vampire theme" by itself.

A series of prompts enables the parameters of what AI constructs. And since you can train one on your own personal work, the ultimate tool for creating. Even prompts are a crsft,as is drawing or any other Media. Merely a Process. Pen to paper. Paintbrush on canvas. Creating assets for larger projects like film or other industrial art projects. Prompts fishing for acceptable results. Ultimately just another tool.

The Vision executed by the AI is human.

An AI wouldn't do so on its own.

It doesn't know Why yet.
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>>7987877
Most people who scream about it the most always seem to have to most generic twitter copy paste artstyle
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>>7986760
I was about to call the OP shit but this one is really cute

although I do find it funny that the website itself is made in AI
rules for thee but not for me
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>>7984758
I'm not sure whether to think copyright and IP laws actually suck in themselves or if they suck due to only being enforced by massive corpos on disproportionately small targets. I want companies (especially music) to be less anal about copyright, but I don't know how I feel about a wild west where some rich kike can steal off the little guy.
>that already happens now
Yes but there's at least a facade of it being illegal.
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>>7984709
It's really cute seeing what kind of ideas people come up with this lmao.

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Why is the world of online art so unfair?
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>>7985209
lol i love this goober comic so much man
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>>7985278
gm
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>>7985677
tryhard doesn't even mean someone who tries hard
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>>7985227
this doenst work lol

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What is your favorite example of web art?
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Nice try!
I'm not doing any data scrapping for your bot.
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>>7988400
Kill yourself sperg
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Don't know if it's my favourite, but I was fairly impressed with the itchio page for the game Super Dungeon Muncher, which essentially turns the page's scroll navigation into the game itself (a giant monster constantly eating away at the platform behind you).
I haven't seen other itchio pages this customised, so either this was a smart design working within itchio's restriction, or every other game page on itchio is exceptionally lazy by just being the default template page, or maybe a bit of both.

So yeah, a super simple but clever website design for a game's page.
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>>7988383
I remember that site. It was so amazing back then. The Sarif ads were also great marketing for the game.
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>>7988429
what's the dugolingo bird doing there

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>>7987935
big fan of your work.
how much would you charge for a picture ?
what about a set consiting of a few guys like joseph, herman, reinhardt, rudolph etc.
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>>7988396
Nice try, Herr Mueller.
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>>7988392
>>7988393
>>7988394
He has the looks, the talent, and the fame. What can't this man do?
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>>7988398
get a boyfriend to satisfy him
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>>7988402
>He doesn't have gay sex so he can learn first hand life drawing experience with the male anatomy.
Enjoy being a beg for the rest of your life then, dumbass.

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If another anon made it, and you saved it, post it.
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>>7986713
porn slop isn't art
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>>7985282
Most old ic art disappeared with fireden sadly

ITT: Erotic art that's so good it actually drives you crazy

They must've experimented in a laboratory on how to make an image so appealing and erotic. Surely they used the golden ratio when designing this character.
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>>7981036
You are NGML
It's not the character that is erotic, it is the expression.
The legs angles inwards, as well as the arms, leading to a feeling that the character is seducing you, that is the ENTIRE eroticism.
draw the character standing generically and no one would feel the eroticism

Golden ratio, lol, lmao even
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>>7984925
Holy based.
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>>7986379
Why does it look like she has too many toes despite having a regular number of toes?
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>>7986663
Thanks art guy

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Let's grade the best books that actually benefit beginners greatly and not a /beg/ trap.
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>Finally cracked open Loomis.
After so much drawabox I think I was starting to forget drawing is fun.
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>>7983832
The prebeg blook ball... nostalgic...
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>>7983940
I find them weirdly fun to draw.
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>>7983832
>>7984224
The cheeks arent supposed to be Pikachu circles. Youre meant to alter the shape of the head with them.
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>>7975978
breddy gud tbqhfamalam

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>What is this?
CRAB is an OCT where artists submit their OCs and participate in a three-round tournament where they are pit against an opponent to fulfill a prompt's task over the other. There are three rounds and thus three prompts that an artist must fulfill featuring their OC facing off against another OC using the theme and prompt as their guideline for content.

>How many people are participating?
40 people assorted into 8 teams with waitlisted contestants for spots that open up in-tourney due to dropouts or sudden departures.

>How long will this take?
From May 17th to Aug 25th.

>Random art battles?
CRAB has had animations, VNs, DOOM.WADs, and more submitted as entries in the past, that's where the 'random art' comes from.

>How does this work?
Main organization is done on Discord but it is not a requirement if you want to stay thread-only, however you do have to host your entries on catbox or other image hosts to be voted on by other participants. Every voting round will have a provided list available with links to read every entry as easily as possible.


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>>7988054
black rose fusion ftw
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https://admiralpizza.itch.io/admiralpizzagameboy

In AP'78 SK8 For Gameboy color- Admiral Pizza has 30 seconds to live or he's gonna melt, Collect coconuts to extend your time in the hopes you can get to the potion that will cure you. Don't let your Pizza Dreams be dreams.
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>>7988370
i really wanna play this. What are the controls?
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>>7988373
>https://admiralpizza.itch.io/admiralpizzagameboy

Z&X Hold button to go faster
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>R2 VOTING BEGINS!

Aloha everyone! The entries are submitted and voting begins!

>CRABs and BENCH CONTESTANTS
Vote for ONE winner per match! When voting write a sentence with something substantial about each entry submitted (not just the one you're voting for)! This means at least two sentences per match at minimum! Reviewing the bench entries are optional!

>SPECTATORS
Vote for ONE winner per match! Your votes will be tallied and the winner of each match from the Spectators earns the spectator vote!
You must review each match entry for your vote to be counted! Your entries should at least have two sentences worth of commentary for each entry (and again not just the one you want to vote for). This means for a match four sentences minimum for a single match. You must also review the bench entries!

YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO VOTE.
YOU CANNOT VOTE FOR YOUR OWN TEAM MATCHES. COMMENTING ON TEAM MATCH OPPONENTS IS OPTIONAL.
ALL BALLOTS ARE ALLOWED THREE ABSTAINS. ANY MORE WILL INVALIDATE YOUR BALLOT.
WHEN ABSTAINING YOU MUST STILL REVIEW THE ENTRIES.

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