Currently learning to do value studies. I like to make a posterized version of the reference as well as a high contrast version. Is there any way that to proceed from this posterized stage to studying the original that makes sense? Or is this as far as I reasonably push this version of the study, method wise, and I then begin a separate study of the original?Working in Rebelle, any and all pointers appreciated!
OP here, I expected to take a little beating and did not leave empty handed. Although very fair points about neglecting the groundwork and needing to be more diligent about structure and form. The painting was hastily and lazily put together for the purpose of exploring methods of studying value. I was unaware of the \beg\ thread and will stick to that moving forward>>8036931Great point about not being able to disassemble the work into geometry, I think I'll dial back the posterization use and try to use my brain more instead. I can already feel it kind of fucking with my head in ways I don't grasp which is not a good sign.Thanks for the input! Rebelle is wonderful so far>>8037041Gemini or not, this was great and I'll look more closely at the five value system and "local values" which I am completely unfamiliar with.Thanks and have a great day>>8036937I think it is pretty clear that I am establishing and making notes of what parts of the portrait share the same values
>>8036854Study how to shade basic forms and dont be afraid to pull them up even when shading. Experiment with one color so that you can learn the range of different values within the same colorDo black and white value studies so you can learn how to hard shade and therefore identify darks quickerAlter how many values you use. Sometimes use 5, sometimes use 2. Draw from life. Put a toilet paper roll in the light and analyze how it works as a basic cylinder.
>>8037041Local value is huge too, almost forgot that. Really important when drawing nature. Plus understanding light. Steve Huston talks about shading in depth
>>8036854guess it and then check the photo how far you are off also send og ref of pic related
>>8037106>I think it is pretty clear that I am establishing and making notes of what parts of the portrait share the same valuesYou were notThe program did that, you just copied it's results
What happens if i lowkirkenuinely close my eyes and can't imagine just how the FUCK does the thing i have to draw look? Like how is a woman with a staff on her hand ment to be on the exact pose where shes just going to stand up, like hand on her knee hunched over and pushing up, but she has a staff on her hand so she would have her right hand not leaning on her knee but, i guess holding the staff upwards, holding up to it, but then that fucks up the movement of her, like she no longer seems to be about to push her body forwardsAnd before you say it have a manly man ass body, the reference doesn't work, specially my shoulders dont have the same sucked into the clavicle look the character has and i cant just invent in what direction they go
>>8037800that sketch of you holding the mop is greatnow I understand you're going for a comic or something sequentialyour readers don't need that many panels to understand movement, but you should choose the frames that capture the most energy or with the best potential for compositionyou can also try moving the camera either above or below and see if it makes it more interesting
Stop trying to draw heckin badass fantasy warrior women in battle poses and stick to sketching references for like 5 more years at least. Its gonna be a never ending, frustrating battle otherwise. Gigamassive beginner trap
>>8037821But i am doing thatConsistently I take classes
>>8037838Maybe you just don't have talent. Not all people can become artists, tbqh.
>>8037821Horrible advice, dont listen to this faggot.You're gonna have to make attempts at drawing these things at Some point if that's what YOU want to draw.Yes references are important but ONLY sketching references for 5 years straight is counterintuitive advice that doesn't get you where you want to go.You havr to see how your mind processes certain ideas into an image so that you can tweak from there and elarn from our mistakes Mistakes are inevitable, you gotta make a bunch, and the only way to do it os to keep drawing what you want/need
how do i draw hands
you don't draw, jeet
What is the meaning behind Goya’s horrifying painting?
>>8027991What makes it most terrifying is Goya's disillusionment and isolation as he unravels a disconcerting epiphany that the government, who is supposed to act as a paternal entity that protects its citizens is instead a machine that feeds on the suffering of their sons because it's profitable.Or that a venerated concept of a flawless god conveniently obfuscates that the nature of life its supposed to personalise has been an everlasting plane of bloodshed and absurd horror.You see what could be your grandfather, a man you thought you could trust, nude and so grotesque that they look as if they were concealing their true form for all this time from everyone. He stares at you in a frenetic surprise as if you were never supposed to know. That that musky darkness was an area no-one else should ever be able to access, where he feeds on his own children and he can't stop.
He was probably just hungry at the time.
>dad when the fridge is empty.jpg
>>8033098>>8033099goya was a member of the court, he was involved or at least closely spectated politics. He certainly had some interesting opinions about our friends from the levant, and was probably a freemason so no stranger to the esoteric and the occult
>>8027975It ain't easy being pink.
First post here, wanted to show you somethingIt's a recreation of the Hybrid Theory album cover with Flippy on the front
>>8029886From the top to the bottom
>>8029956Larping faggot.
This is a good idea for a portfolio :Think of a band name for a fictional musical act, and design album covers for them. And have the theme revolve around the title of the album. Widely different styles that make the viewer imagine what kind of music they play. And maybe the bands target demographic. One cover can suggest Enya, while another Motorhead. Just make the band name abstract. Have one.>Banji MoBo
cool
Great work. I was obsessed with this character back in the day, so I've exhausted my ideas with him myself.
is being able to draw a line part of the predisposition/you either have it or you don't thing you guys are talking about? I've been practicing drawing lines for the past month almost 10 hours a day and when I draw something it looks exactly like what I drew last month in terms of line quality.
>>8037516Line quality is a mystery. Never improved in it after several years.
>>8037622it's not that insane.>>8037655that doesn't sound good. it felt like one of those things you can brute force. I can feel in some areas I've improved. like my precision definitely improved. the overall look of the lines didn't which bothers me.
>>8037516You're not thinking about the application of a line
>>8037696I can be kind of accurate, depending on the time used, but the look of the line is always bad. I am still completely unable to draw what I want without copying.
>>8037655Line quality is pretty much the only area in which I have ever improved. I still have no idea what I'm doing and generally fail so spectacularly that my intended subject isn't even recognizable, but my lines look a lot better than they did at first and I can generally place them where I want.
A useless retard who can't do anything and fumbles everythingAlso I am a permavirgin incel loserI am clinically diagnosed as a retardHow can I become successful in art?Are there any specific guides for people with my condition or am I auto-ngmi?I draw horribly for context, like my drawings are so ugly
All of those things are positives in the art world THOUGH. Especially if you want to draw porn
>>8036544Being successful is just drawing nice, like people following you, praising you and saving your art here or asking for your "blog?"Basically just not being a filthy /beg/
>>8037367Your concept of success is mostly defined by other people's reaction and perception of your art. (Likes, praise, saves)Much like virginity is based on other people's willingness to fuck you, which you identify with as an incel.Your identity is constructed based on OTHER people's actions and reactions rather than YOUR OWN, thus you feel hopeless. If your sense of self-worth is based on the approval of others you'll never feel confident because confidence comes from not giving a shit about what other people think. If you wish to be successful (in anything, not just art) you have to abandon this simp mindset. Take pride in your actions and accept the outcomes. Critique your actions and think about where you went wrong. Take success and failure as impersonal. You are "dumb" because you attribute to yourself what can be attributed to luck and strategy. If you think you can predict the future of your own failure or success, or that any of us can accurately predict that, then we should all be fucking millionaires from predicting the lottery. You don't know the future. It's delusional to think so. Maybe you'll end up with a wife and kids and a successful art career or get hit by a drunk driver tomorrow.You can only control what you choose to do in the present moment. Who you are is what you choose to do. Destiny is where you wind up while navigating within the winds of fate. Will you allow fate to charter you the course of a permavirgin incel loser or steer yourself into new territory? You are not a loser yet. Until death, all defeat is psychological. You are the fucking captain until this ship sinks. Pick up your goddamn pencil and draw. Figure out where you fucked up, and then try again. Criticism will batter your ship or be the wind in your sails depending on how you use it. I believe in you. Do your best.
>>8037450I forgot to say:Loomis or ngmi
>>8037450Man,NTA but thanks for those words!You saved me up $500 on therapy from a normie counselor telling me this same exact shit
How do you find masters to copy? I sorta want a more western style. Anyone got good westerners to study?
>>8037385Depends on what knowledge you want to gain. I could just as l easily recommend Jamie Hewlett as Ashley Wood, Bernie Wrightson, Eliza Ivanovna, Juanjo Guarnido, John Singer Sargent, John Grello or Piotr Jablonski.
>>8037385this question suggests you have no preference somehow, maybe start by finding western artists -you- like and study them?
>>8037385your question is retarded, look up any painting you like: there you go, look up any comic you like: there you goare you disabled?
>>8037402Awful taste
>>8037422I'd like cartoony artists similar to the one in my pic
Looking for Art discord focused on improvement, been drawing for a year n a half doing it all on my own but im looking for somewhere I can engage with artist n ask questions n stuff
>>8037733Ignore the typos, I written this post three times because of my phone, and now I can't delete to repost.
Man i just want a living community thats not fucking racist and feels like its shitpost o' clock 24/7
>>8037925good luck. racism is the glue that keeps community together, especially when there is like every single race in there and I'm not even shitposting
>>8037941>racism is the glue that keeps community togetherthis
>>8037955>>8037941Racism is just banter. I.E. No banter = No fun
>popular JP artist is selling an online course>it basically just boils down to setting up 3D assests in CSP and tracing over them
>>8037869What if you feed a rough sketch of thr pose you want for img2img?
>>8037894its 50/50 results with img2img. Either way its the same- youll spend like half an hour prompting trying to get something worth while
>>8037913I see. I have no experience with this workflow but figured AI should've more advanced at guessing what you want based on the massive shilling everywhere.
>>8037575Filtered
>>8037866People photobash/trace AI straight up. This is becoming more and more popular, as people see others doing it. Why construct from the base when you can prompt some anime girl and draw over it?
How do you pick a name to represent your work as someone who was an anonymous loner type figure for all of their internet career?In the modern day everything is going to be tied back to your first public appearance with your art so you need to make a good choice from the outset.
>>8019694Da Vinki
>>8029663I think it's a bad idea.A username needs to be short, ideally one or two words, easy to spell and not be nonsense.Just get a word you like, character, fetish... And write it as if it were spoken by a jap, like Andrew Loomis = Andoru Rumisu or something.
>>8029663If you still want ideas, mine the letter from the word love plus the first name of a character I like rearranged into a believable name.Not recommended if you're low iq
id tell you bcos thats literally me too, but i dont want you to steal my flow kek
Cool adjective + your favorite dessert/beverage>VitriolicCoffe>ThunderFlan
>Shitty spatial reasoning test>You answered 7 out of 10 questions correctlyGMI??
>>8035844I don't think this is a very good test. You can logically reason out the answers without visualizing it
>>803584410/10 mostly looked through the choices and used the process of elimination to remove the duds.
Lower on verbal but I am ESL so this test wasnt designed with me in mind.
>>8035844I thought I was going bad (ignore the verbal one, I am a dirty ESL).I still suck at drawing.
1. Passive — “I don't want to bother anyone.”A passive artist tends to minimize their own needs or opinions and may ask for critique without really advocating for what they want.Posting:“Here's something I made. I know it's probably not very good, but if anyone has any thoughts I guess I'd appreciate it.”When receiving critique:“Yeah, you're probably right. I don't really know what I'm doing.”Potential upside:You may come across as very open and non-defensive.The problem:You're potentially undermining your own work before anyone has even looked at it. It can also make it difficult for people to know what kind of feedback you actually want.Artistically: Passive communication can accidentally turn “Please critique this” into “Please reassure me that I'm not terrible.”
2. Aggressive — “I know what I'm doing.”The aggressive artist asserts their opinion at the expense of other people's.Posting:“I know this is better than most of the garbage people post here. Tell me what you think.”Receiving critique:Critic:“I think the composition feels a little unbalanced.”Artist:“No, you just don't understand what I'm doing.”Potential upside:Confidence. You're not going to let every random internet commenter dictate your artistic direction.The problem:You stop getting useful criticism because people learn that criticizing your work will result in an argument.There's also a difference between defending an artistic choice and being aggressive:“The imbalance is intentional because I wanted the viewer to feel unstable.”Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
3. Passive-aggressive — “I'm totally open to critique... allegedly.”This is where things get entertaining.The passive-aggressive artist appears to invite criticism while simultaneously punishing people for giving it.Posting:“Feel free to critique this. I'm sure someone will tell me why I shouldn't have bothered making it.”Or:“I know the anatomy is wrong. Before anyone points it out for the 500th time.”Receiving critique:Critic:“I think the colors could be more cohesive.”Artist:“Wow, thanks. I hadn't considered using colors before.”Or:“Interesting. That's definitely one interpretation.”Potential upside:Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
4. Assertive — “Tell me what you actually think.”This is generally the most productive style for artists seeking critique.The assertive artist communicates three things:I value my work.I recognize it isn't perfect.I'm interested in hearing your perspective.Posting:“I'd love some critique on this piece. I'm particularly interested in the composition and color relationships. I'm happy with the central figure, but the background feels a little unresolved to me.”That's fantastic because you've given people something specific to respond to.Receiving critique:Critic:“The figure feels too centered, and I think moving it slightly left would create more tension.”Artist:“I see what you mean. I centered it intentionally, but I hadn't considered whether that was making the composition too static.”You don't have to agree.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Can I draw an asset pack to create a 2D rig in Krita and blender and make a manga that way?
It's 2026, no rules only tools. Use AI if you want to, others are already doing it.
>It's 2026, no rules only tools. Use AI if you want to, others are already doing it
I can’t be the only one who noticed these strange threads were created by the same people. Possibly an AI LLM bot.
>>8037848it's cris, a 40yo colombian schizoalso, fuck off cris
>drawing with lines all my life>spent 5 years of active practice and following drawing courses with lines>still fucking suck and have trouble grasping the full shape in my head before drawing it>can't project the final form or the silhouette into my lines and always have to liquify after putting them down>composition sucks when I finally color the piece with lots of stray bits that don't belong >say fuck it and start painting with with color and value blocks instead>shit just works right away >easily build up shapes and forms on the canvas and can preview the finished composition right away >work just has dimensionality with no extra effort or major redraws Now I'm glad that I'm not fully retarded to draw, but I still want to be able to draw well with lines since a ton of my inspo artists are lines-first or even lines-onlyIs it possible to transfer this knowledge back to lines somehow or do I just lack the ability to render stuff in my head in advance necessary for successful line drawing?
even if you try to use lines for shading it won't be the same as someone whose training and understanding of form is based on lines. even pre-AI lines filter are going to be better.
>>8030850To be able to draw like this you need construction/form knowledge, both line quality and rendering will come as a byproduct of that. And those badly constructed wings look terrible on that well constructed body.
>>8037725Yes but the methodical way you lay down construction/form or by using value is different from the energetic lines you can make if you draw directly in lineart, that's why going value blocks first and tracing that will never result in a drawing like that. If you can't internalize construction/form knowledge to see your next line before you put it down so you can stylize it on the fly like OP, you're shit out of luck if you want to draw in that line style.
>>8037738I never said the opposite xD
You may be more comfortable with a thing you created yourself. https://youtu.be/1OSWR7xiQLk?is=MJkNkQ45Wd3qsXHERepeat until you get something you want to draw again. Then draw it roughly like an animator might, getting a feel for their shape, stance and the space they occupy. Then draw your first formal portrait.
