why does /ic/ care about anatomy so much?you can insta-improve your work just by adding motion and good composition, but you'd rather spend all day working out the details of arm muscles?
>>7712901autists like it because it can be objectively correct and is more concrete, same reason some people like perspective. since it's more objective and concrete, it's easier for teachers to teach and students to learn it. critics like to critique the anatomy because they can be correct about it. there are many more good books about anatomy than there are for composition books, especially beyond the basics. depending on the type of art you want to make, you might not need to study much anatomy at all. if you want to create believable creatures from imagination, you'd need to know a lot about anatomy.learning to add motion and "good composition" is much harder to teach and to learn it. beginners have nothing worth composing anyway. adding motion to a turd doesn't really make it any better.
>>7712901ok wise guy how do I grind composition and appeal? oh yeah and WITHOUT having to draw.
>>7712940unironically you can keep notes of things other artists do that you wish to emulate. Of course you'll eventually need to actually try incorporating that into your drawings but hey you can do that first part without drawing
>>7712940If you're not being serious about without having to draw, just copy compositions from movies, manga and other visual media. If you're being serious, literally a lot like photography, photo editing, filmography, graphic design etc.
>>7712940NTA but many art programs teach you to make composition thumbnails of hundreds of master works until you understand the basic patterns.
Fine art sucks and is just a money laundering scheme. The world would be better if only commercial art were allowed.
Cool it with the antisemitism
>>7712814lol
Stan Prokopenko bought two of Marshall Vandruff's horse doodles (the two in the upper right of this image) for $600. They took Marshall a couple minutes to draw. Skilled illustrators can make a fuckton of money if they know how to negotiate.
>>7711836This is just money laundering. Also Marshall is a weird fag
>>7712154He is, but he is obviously someone to emulate if you want a career.
Glen Keane, the greatest Disney animator of the last 40 years, can't see images in his mind. It's called aphantasia. He's the son of Bil Keane (the creator of the Family Circus comic strip), and he's also the father of a Netflix animator son and acclaimed illustrator daughter, as well as the brother of a newspaper cartoonist and the grandson of a technical illustrator for steam engines. Glen animated Ariel, the Beast, Tarzan, Pocahontas, and Ratigan, among others. I always thought genes played a huge role in his success, and I still think they must play some role, but how the fuck did he get so far without being able to visualize stuff in his mind? He claims he just has an instinct for drawing, but I don't see how that's possible.
>>7707237No, but they have auditory and conceptual dreams.
>>7706125aphantasia artists rely on recipes to do their work that they commit to memory. Ironically, they're far better suited for animating that apple seers. apple seers are more suited for concept art.
>>7706125>Let's see what does an animator do? (Pause) There's so many different ways one can approach that question. Primarily I guess and animator's job in a film is he's the actor. I mean, it just really comes down to, a film is a story and the animator, he's one of the characters in it. He crawls inside to the brain and the personality of that character. He is that character on the screen. Not unlike regular actors. The only difference is that an actor in theater, TV or in movies gets to use his own body; his hands and expressions. The animator feels those things but the audience doesn't look at him. They look at his drawing, so it's a matter of how well can you draw how you feel? That's really the gift of an animator, is taking his feelings and putting it through his hand and being able to project himself onto the paper. >I guess the challenge that an animator has is mentally get past the point where he's drawing. He's no longer drawing on the paper. It's not an act of drawing. It's more of a crawling into that page and living in that space that is now a three-dimensional world. So then you can start to draw a character walking away in space and you're not thinking so much of perspectives and all those technical things. Instead you're thinking, how does it feel? How do I feel walking down this meadow and back behind that tree back there and then sliding along the trunk of the tree and resting, looking up at the leaves? How do I feel? Hopefully you get into it, otherwise the animation has a very technical and studied look and it doesn't ring true. But an animator that can really live in the character that he's drawing, his stuff sparks with life. People believe him. Looks like visualization is a fundamental part of the process to him. He didn’t describe it that way because he was speaking on the misconception that artists see a finished drawing in their mind and transmute it from the ether when that’s not how that works.
>>7707237sycra said yes and he was patient zero of the aphantasia meme
>>7711838QRD
Best books on drawing? I want essays, not just drawings. I want to understand process better.
Bump.
>>7709755Harold Speed? Guptill? Older books tend to be wordy. The best way to understand the process, though, is to actually try repeatedly. No amount of theory will ever suffice.Jump in the water and start jiggling
>>7711248Thanks for the suggestions.
Previous Thread: >>7655470If you are a beginner or intermediate in art, please use the /beg/ & /int/ general.>>>/ic/begPost your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others! Don't take anything personal!Please make sure your posted image is clear, downsized to around 2000 pixels wide, rotated to the correct orientation, and that any unused space is cropped.If you want critique on a drawing from the previous thread, you can delete it there and repost in this one.>/ic/ Resources/Reference/Downloads/Links:>STICKY:Completed: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/viewNew collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Qw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
stuck in low effort 3/4 bust hell award
Can you tell me what you think?
>>7712636No. These threads are more for silent judging.
What works about the designs, what doesn't? How would you adjust it?
STOP focusing exclusively on fundies and start working on your projects. Fundies are stealth procrastination. Life is not as long as you thing. STOP procrastinating.
>>7710631This isn't true. The fuck? You should never pander with your art. Make what you enjoy.
>>7710652oh yeah, but i feel even when something like hands or feet are frustrating, its very fun to 'get it' in the long run. one should never stop learning, despite having his specialty
>>7710586Yeah, nobody gives a crap about original works of untalented people, grinding away and experimenting on itself can be extremely gratifying when you actually have an interest in the medium and don't just see it as an obstacle between you and anime titties.
>>7710586>There's no way to build an audienceWut
>>7710593That's a really good portrait, anon.
This is the only book that has improved my drawing skills overnight, and it's not even about drawing so much as "learning how to see and apply creativity". I think most people here would level up their art skills quickly if they read this book. What are some other resources that are like cheat codes for learning how to do art? Bonus points for unconventional resources.
>>7710486
>>7706069>non-artist book>helping with art skillsabsolute autistic morons want to skip the drawing process AHAHAHAHAHAHAH go use AI already. Literally made for you
>>7710691down syndrome take
>>7710693stop replying to bait dumbfuck. people like you are why this board has gone to shit lmao
>>7710691Plenty of ways to learn how to draw that aren't just drawing.
Commercial illustrators, how are you finding the current job market?
>>7710509Here is one of the pieces, is this job worthy, can you give me a job
>>7710531I like your style. I wish I had money to burn, as I would hire you to work on a children's book if it were up your alley. My suggestion is to get a professional-looking website and put your best work on there. Also, you should get a mentor to help give advice on the business end. No one likes this part, but it's important.
>>7710531nta but to add onto >>7710540 might look into scanning that, or taking better pictures of your art, especially w/o the glare
>>7710540Working on a children's book would be great, and thank you for the advice >>7710630Im gonna scan them when I make some more illustrations
I thought artificial intelligence would make things a lot worse by now and feel stupid for worrying about it.
How do you become good at abstract painting? Is it mostly about color theory?
>>7708356generally speaking, composition. color theory is one part of it. many books on the topic out there
>>7708356There is a lot of great abstract art that doesn't go deep into theory also... expressiveness is a big part of it. I don't know how better to describe it, but good abstract art makes me feel something when I see it.
>>7708973I think composition comes after you learn how to express yourself and paint without thinking about "is this good?".You got to be able to paint from your soul without worrying about what's right and wrong, and that's surprisingly hard for a lot of people. To the point where someone's going to reply to me and say its not even real. (the soul, that is)
>>7709016that's not very helpful anon
>>7708356Study the best abstract painters in history.
given the popularity of the classic disney style, it's surprising that more artists don't try to emulate it more in illustration, comics, animation, video games, etc.have any anons experimented with this style?
people would rather develop a style of their own than bet he guy who "draws like disney"
>>7709446Remember that the Disney style was so widely adopted that it spawned the "manga" style as we know it today
>>7709879Okay, but you'll have far fewer customers if you don't ape a popular style, even just manga.
I try and emulate it a little, I'm just not very good
>>7710506post work? I am too
Dav Pilkey's doodles have created a billion-dollar media empire, but /ic/ would have you believe he's a permabeg. Really makes you think.
By virtue of being wildly commercialized, his artwork is therefore /pro/. He is literally a professional artist. It's why I never liked "/pro/" being used as the term for high skill artists on this board.
>>7708301he was funny and was aiming his content towards kidsyou're on an anime image board, with this specific board dedicated towards art critique, there's an underline implication that if you are posting art here that you are here to learn how to draw by improving your fundies. not get a shiny sticker every time you draw something go post your art to your audience if you want people to like it
jackasses seething that someone with an eye for fun and whimsy actually got successful for fun and whimsy itt. No amount of studying a bunch statues or theory bullshit will ever teach you the true lessons of just Actually Giving A Shit About What You Make.To the comedy :gas: chamber with this, hags.
>>7709984Have you read his dogshit writing? It's anti-funny.
>>7709981What are you trying to say here?
>wanna draw monster fucker art>cant really find drawn references of the genitals of the monster I wanna draw since it is rather obscure>the closest thing I could find is legit irl beastility but I cant think of anything but suicidal thoughts when I actually tried to use themAre there some useful tools for monsterfuckers to use for reference or do I really have to stare at a guy fucking dead deers for hours?
>>7711738make it up nigga do some drawing from imagination
>>7711738e621
>>7712378Crab gives shit /adv//ic/e, color me fucking surprised.
>>7711738>the closest thing I could find is legit irl beastility but I cant think of anything but suicidal thoughts when I actually tried to use themYou're a dumb mofo, go study biology OP humans are animals, we're great apes.
>>7711752>not learning the proportions from basic biology books/non-hentai works and then adapting normal adult porn like an actual artist would be able to doThey're hacks who lack any imagination, that's what they are.
anyone have any experience with pencil grips? i death grip my pens/pencils like a retarded chimp and it makes my hand hurt afterwards so i was looking into different ergonomic grips. pic related is made for literal toddlers but genuinely looks like it would be kind of comfortable for drawing. and yes it also looks like a sex toy but that's not my primary interest
>>7706092>i like to hold thick thingsunzips
>>7701464Isn't this a prostate stimulator?
>>7707358everything is if you grind enough
>>7702337https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9QOK5FxvrI
>>7702177Is that one of those jerk off eggs kek
Anyone got any good resources for drawing Colonial Marines from Aliens? I want to make a few pieces of fan art for it but idk where to find good references.
>>7704145Bumping cause I also need some refs
>>7704145Im basically freeze framing the 4k
