Are there just some artists who are unsalvageable?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TPDkaG0ecA
Occasion calls for /BEG/ino
>>7866864https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64hMgJiuswc
>>7866894Brings me back to the NG days when we were all just shitters fucking around with these new toys.
>>7851885the reason the guy in this video doesn't improve is literally in the video, he does all this tracing of the realistic face, then ditches it all and draws from memory, not retaining anything at all, he's not thinking, "hmm, ok, the eyes go here anda re this size cause of this, or that"he just eats his vegetables and then goes right to ice cream, learning isn't just copying, is rationalizing why this is like this, or why that is like that, what works, what doesn't, what could i try differently, do something for a while, hate it, change it, get feedback, start all over, but don't stall, don't go back to square 1
>>7861960this is very nice, feels alive, i'd love to see it inked/clean
should i just give up?
>>7864162Give up in art?If that is your art, keep going, I don't see cute girls like thins in real life so artists illustrating some helps me a bunch
What? this is actually decent, her head is just too big in proportion to her torso... Keep going, lil bro.
I like the big head look, OP
>>7864408i mean if what you were looking for was cartoon/caricature adjacent it's perfect, bigger shoulders is a no from me, most people that don't workout really got no shoulders
>>7864162You're just fishing for compliments bro this is advanced
What happened to artists, why are most of them gay, lesbians or trans now? Where are the chads at?
>>7859019What? I thought we were all chuds...
>>7859134Ultra KEK! You reminded me of the dykes and troons on X saying right-wingers would never be into Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou. You guys don't have a clue...
The boomer culture war is so tiresome bros
>>7866199They all want Chad, just like other women, even if they pretend to not want to.
>>7867157Im close to chad but unfortunately got one-shotted by height genes>t. 5'7Sometimes I wish I was given math autism instead of art version so I could atleast be the rich off some low effort CS job
He needs your help
>>7866648You unbiased view of the world? Sir?
>>7866702>SirI think you mean saar.
>>7866710We used to be better than this, sasr.
>>7856394
>>7866695Sovl
Are these books good?
>>7866852Which one is this?
>>7865521Same. Just because the art sucks. Even if you used the "old-fashioned" excuse. I would guess Hikaru Hayashi is just a pseudonym of a non-Japanese group. Or even if he was actually a Japanese animator, he wasn't a very good one.
>>7866858Vol 23 Illustrating Battles
>>7866237by "old fashioned" he really meant "ugly" btw.
>>7866880AI proof art.
Is he right? Am I wasting my talent? How's this even possible?How would you respond this?
>>7865612Pencilfags, bakaEveryone knows pens are superior What do need your little ewaser??? Gonna make some shitty /begbeg/ dumpboy mistakes huh?? Afraid to put your work in POWERFUL and PERMANENT ink? Your transient scribbles can hardly even be called art, if your gonna buy a pencil you might as well just chew the lead till it kills you and do our eyes all a favour from your 0 confidence ass lines
>>7865612How are you supposed to get likes when you can't get likes ? Its kind of a pickle
>>7865612Normalfags are cattle and only like/dislike something according to how much the majority likes/dislike something.You should be open for criticism when it's constructive, but that guy is just a faggot.
>>7865612You replied to it means you're ngmi
>>7865612>Am I wasting my talent?We don't have the context to say who is right or wrong.>How's this even possible?It's possible. I have seen many great artists getting worse after becoming very famous, not because they were regressing, but because they kept doing the same thing over and over in a very formulaic way.
Does grinding gesture drawings daily actually help you improve or is it just fake bullshit?
>>7866731try actual body gestures
>>7866731Doing shit drawings is acceptable because you are not supposed to challenge yourself It's ok if they are not gesturing that much because it's just supposed to re-inforce what you already know(?)Never waste time drawingBut don't waste that much time not drawingGesture drawing doesn't need to gesture, a standing figure is a gesture (might unironically be correct, lmao)And the golden award goes to:>Doesn't matter if the gesturing is incorrect, you are just supposed to spam it for observation purposesDoesn't matter if the gesturing is incorrect, you are just supposed to spam it for observation purposesThis is why you never use a tripcode. Idiocy that will be impossible to forget. Rent free m'fraid.
>>7866756none sense, of course you are suppose to try to get it correct, that's the point of practicing it from observation.
>>7866756holy fucking good morning sir
>>7864055>does shuffling the card deck make me better at poker
Do you have a self insert character or OC that resembles yourself that you draw ? Here's my self insert character, it's Mr. Stikk . He's literally me.
I am very new to drawing. Right now my process is drawing the outlines with regular lead pencils and then color with dry colored pencilsBut it makes a mess as you can see in the character's face. It looks like the lead is smudging. Would better pencils and paper help here? Anything I can do so lead is secured on paper?What are my alternatives that allow correction when I make mistakes? I would like to draw outlines with lead because it is erasable. But mixing them with me colored pencils seems to be a no go.I heard about those dough like erasers that can erase dry/wax based colored pencils (so I can use black dry pencil instead) but they don't seem to be very good
>>7862348Wait...that IS from Aria, right? Or did you just steal the design and remove details?
>>7862348>>7862349Yes, it is Alicia from Aria. The art is not mine though, I traced most of it (no bully)https://www.zerochan.net/3866492
>>7862013Sort of reminds me of tarot cards.
>>7862528It is clow card from cardcaptor sakura, which are kinda like tarot cards
>>7862013Try some markers. Start out with some cheap ones on amazon, no need to get the Prisma colour 120 box straight off the rip. You can do some faint pencil lines with a light pencil like a 2H, and then add marker over the top to block in the colours. Then once the marker is dry, do some fine liner / micron pen over the top for details and darker blacks. A lot of that clamp production work was done in markers like pic related. (More here: https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=cardcaptor_sakura+official_art+clamp_%28circle%29+)Keep it light and experiment. Good luck anon. I look forward to seeing you return with more work.
i could literally never imagine drawing a guy. girls are so flowy and fun and cant hurt u in 2d. a bunch of people have this issue apparently. anyway take my horrid warmup sketches
A good gateway to drawing guys is drawing Spider-Man or someone else similarly lithe and athletic
>>7865798what if you knew how to draw both
>try drawing beanerball goku>starting to feel uncomfortable >realize that drawing half naked buff dudes might be slightly homosexual
>>7866736homosexual’s the new hot now, man. ^^ we’ve got skilled fujos in the house.
>>7865798This is what 99 % of modern Japanese artists say. You don't have to be gay to draw men.
this is like the 2nd time i attempt to make a vtuber model to myself, the 1st didn't even debut tho, probably this would stay like an oc for a while
>>7866211be the change you want to seejk i know you can only complain like a bitch
>>7866282>"Umm, having opinions on media and art is... actually le bad"Just how many times did your mother and father drop you on your head for you to turn out this stupid?Do I need to become a director before I can give my opinions on movies too, faggot?
>>7866211I want you to go to twitch and look at the vtuber tag sorted by viewers ascending (or go to /asp/ on /vt/). You will find tons of generic anime girls and guys, but you will also find examples of many of your suggestions- cool knights or robots or animals or rubberhose cartoon characters. And none of them have any viewers. Why? Because at its core a vtuber is not actually a cartoon character. A vtuber is just a streamer and does the same things a streamer does like playing video games and talking to strangers online. Does it matter if it's some irl guy with a beard on his webcam playing an fps or if it's a cartoon robot animal on the bottom right of the screen? So vtubers succeed or fail for mostly the same reason normal streamers succeed or fail- the charisma of the streamer.The exception to this are pretty anime girls (and guys) because they can play an character and convince the majority lonely nerd male audience that they are cuter, cooler, prettier, than they could if they just turned on their webcam and showed their tits. Because of these conditions larping as an anime girl is the only real innovation in this sphere. An anime vtuber is enough of an exaggerated fantasy to provide appeal, but close enough to an archetype that exists in reality- an egirl- to be convincing. That's not the case for something more cartoony.
>>7866594>You will find tons of generic anime girls and guys, but you will also find examples of many of your suggestionsI mean, that's really the beginning and end of my argument. I'm sure it's kind of a cyclical problem where the only successful people are people with avatars of hot anime boys and girls (and peanuts apparently), which causes the audience for vtubers to be the kinds of people only looking for those things, but that still doesn't change my outsider perspective or criticism.The fact that you agree with me in the quoted line shows that it's obviously true, I don't know why people get so defensive about it. If you like your anime girl and boy avatars, all the power to you, but I just think it's creatively dull.Also, I decided to do exactly what you said and take a look at twitch, as you're right and I haven't really looked at the breadth of what's out there in some time... after scrolling down for quite a bit, there was only a single stream without an anime character (some painterly looking knight squire dude), the rest were all anime boys and girls (and just regular cam streamers just using the tag, I guess).So, hate to say it, but my opinion really hasn't shifted in slightest here, in fact I've become more entrenched in how correct I am - could have been a time zone thing though, and I just looked at an inopportune time for your point.Regardless, vtubers are overwhelming hot anime girls (and boys), we both agree on that. Where we split is our feelings about it, where you're seemingly ambivalent or happy with it, I find it dull and creatively bankrupt.(the point about guys using girl avatars is noted, but kind of a digression)
>>7866792My point isn't really about being for or against anime. It's that the appeal of streaming is pretending you're hanging out with someone and having a creative avatar doesn't change the experience that much, and this explains why streaming doesn't select for creative avatars. For example, I once saw this guy who onetricked Yorick from league and had an avatar of yorick at the bottom of the screen, and it was pretty cool but at the end of the day if I were to watch him play league for hours on end I would do it because he's good at the game or because he's funny, not because of his avatar. The reason for watching him would be the same even if he had no cam at all. And it would be the same even if it were a mecha or a dinosaur playing league in the bottom corner. It's not something that affects the medium. In streaming personality matters more than looks.This is different for anime girls. Most dudes watch egirls stream because they flash their tits- for their looks. However by putting on an anime avatar she creates an exaggerated feminine fantasy and gets viewers to focus on her personality instead, albeit an artificial one. From her end all she has to do is pitch up her voice and play video games. From the viewer's end she fulfills the fantasy of being a gamer gf in a way a gamer dragon or robot can't. It's something that elaborates on the medium.If you wanted to make a creative avatar work with the medium you would have to break away from the 99% of vtubers who play video games and present your creative character in a creative way that innovates on the medium and allows people to play pretend the same way an anime girl avatar allows people to pretend she's their gf. This would involve maybe something like roleplaying as the character or elaborate skits or some 3d tech thing. Most people would probably find this cringe, and it's probably beyond the creativity or budget of most aspiring vtubers.
>splitthreadHow to plan realism especially with reflection, refraction, but in simplified, shape,color, value(osaatm), in any scene setup, basically like those of Zorn, Sargent,matejko, etc.Since refraction is quite complex... basically just need a book that, does it all, since so far I haven't seen some enough, not even when 3d included. What to do?
You're gonna wanna up your game if you want to join the regular cast of /ic/ schizos, but reflection-schizo has a certain ring to it. Keep at it and you reach int level schizophrenia in no time!
>>7865515She's called 50k-chan. She's from Danger/u/, a textboard based on the one of the same name from Va-11 hall-a. They call her that because she wouldn't stop asking about ways of making 50k a year, then 600k. Aparently she's Indonesian and for some reason she really, REALLY hates muslim people.
>>7865488My Soundwave looked different. Smaller head, larger torso, couldn't twist at the midriff. Maybe it's the cropped photo, but the pictured proportions look a little dwarfish. Plus, mine could open the chest and eject one of several transforming cassette tapes. This is all in addition to the obvious refractive differences in the surface finishes of both models.
>>786548850k chan
I drew all the doohinki and the faces and did some of my ownNow what
>>7866461it's basically just the introductory chapter of FDFAIW for children
>>7866413>beats the tutorialTime for the real deal oppaTaco and Stonehouse
>>7866413did you have fun?
>>7866413>he went through fun with a pencil>still don't know how to draw on his ownI don't think you understood the actual boomer words from Loomis lmao
>>7866458maybe hampton's figure drawing design and invention, I wasn't a complete beginner when I picked it up but I didn't know much about figure drawing at all. if you do give it a try look up his youtube channel, especially the videos where he goes through what's in the book, it makes some of the stuff easier to understand.
ITT pencils only you like
>>7855593used to buy tombow mono-J's when they were still made in japan. 4b ones, when the back of the pencil wasn't painted over
I just buy pencils from the dollar store
>>7857671contrary to all known stereotypes about art, including the starving artist
>>7860517>unDERWENTplaying with you no fun
>>7858006honestly even dixon ticonderogas are good enough. i stopped using mechanical pencils. might get a lead holder, but wooden pencils are just good enough for everything pencil related.
ok guys im a newfag and i see everyone talking about a "lack of appeal" despite like knowing fundamentals? can someone post an example so ik what u guys r on about? i thought whatever appeal is meant to mean would come naturally through learning fundamentals bc colour theory and composition is included in those and correct anatomy is pleasing to look at bc it makes sense??
One of the first examples that comes to mind is how you almost never see completely realistic looking noses in cartoons/anime, usually just enough to show that the bottom plane exists and maybe some brow connection depending on the angle of the head. There's other examples like big eyes and heads where artists intentionally skew proportions or simplify anatomy to make something look cuter or more appealing even if it "breaks the rules" so to speak.
>>7866521ohh ok so is appeal literally just knowing how to stylise?
>>7866533Stylizing and/or just injecting some of your own personality and creativity to a piece. Drawing what you see and studying fundamentals is super important for learning obviously, but if you're always focused on hyper realism and reproducing your reference to a T, you run the risk of becoming a human copying machine, which while technically impressive, might not evoke much emotion.
>>7866488There's a lot of ways you could put it, but an understanding of beauty is a simple way to understand it. A good example commonly mentioned is how cartoons typically use more baby-like proportions and youthful features to make their characters more appealing. Of course it's not that simple, because a drawing of a wrinkly old man or a grungy old building can be appealing if the artist captures the details in... the right way? It's difficult to word, but have you ever just walked into a place and said/thought "wow!"? It's like that. Additionally, interesting and refreshing ideas can also carry something a long way even if the style isn't quite all that. There's a lot of dimensions you could explore with your art, but the biggest thing I would say personally is to not simply make "good" art, but to make art with a purpose.
>>7866521These are great examples. There's another one that comes to my mind and that's drawing the hand. From a lot of angles and poses if you were to draw the hand exactly how it looks it would be a strange blob or very awkward looking. It's more of a design problem to make the hand actually look appealing, so its often best to deviate a bit from some hand references. You see it a lot where artists always have the middle and ring finger together and the rest spread apart because that's a traditionally appealing hand shape.
