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What painter gets the third slot of the triumvirate?
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>>6300021
None
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>>6300021
Da Vinci or Michelangelo.
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>>6300021
(You), anon
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Definitely not Van Gogh
I wish Hitler would have won and stopped all this modern "art" retardation
Thanks to people like him, Picasso, etc, nowadays people can make millions by selling shit in a can.
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Idk. What does Bach have to do with Shakespeare other than that they're great and you like them?
I have no clue what your criteria is.

Why did you get into drawing? For me I just want to draw women because they're all I care about and all I want. I draw purely to celebrate femininity. Like a lot of people here I would guess.
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>>6306621
Lol we won bitch your dead and you don't know yet.
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>>6306621
Me too! AI aint got shit on me!
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>>6306583
It's a way for me to "posses" people forever.
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I dont have to interact with anyone. Thats it.
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>>6306583
I always liked amusing myself with scenarios in my head and wanted an outlet for it. It started with writing but then shifted to drawing.

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>this is the level of skill you need to have to work in the industry for a giant like Blizzard
Bros I'm not gonna make it..
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>>6301392
>>6302963
it looks like they blatantly traced over the 3d models. look at junkrat and tell me it doesn't
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>>6304038
Hanzo is moe obvious but you're right, it's probably a trace from some random art intern
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>>6302935
literally more ethical than working at blackedtivision in the current year lmao
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>>6299326
correct
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>>6301392
A lot of these look so bad compared to the original. what happened to the gunpowder on Junkrats face? did they think it resembled blackface too much because that seems racist as fuck for them to assume

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What are some good examples of art evolution in comics/manga? Pic related
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>>6304193
>great artists start declining
Same thing could be said for Akira Toriyama as well. The latest DB character designs are pretty autistic. Legends die HARD.
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>>6304131
Here's my favorite example. Araki's art in Jojo part 7 went from trashy, post-stone ocean garbage to god-tier line work and artistry due to a shift in the publishing schedule.
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>>6307524
>Akira Toriyama

he has a good style, however, his style is all he has.
He made the battle formula, I think dragonball up to the end of the piccolo tournament arc was held up by, if not exclusively by, the adventure aspect of the story, not the fighting.

I mean isn't every character in the story named after some food or object? this was a gag mangakas foray into shonen, and the dude hit gold but was not talented enough to do anything else with it beyond milk.

to be clear, I love the guys style, he is a fantastic art director, especially if you want a fantasy or sci fi that still feels fantasy.
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Can't compare to the chaddest artist on ic. Fuck you all crabs!
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What is the method behind making this kind of drawing? What preliminary knowledge is needed?
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>>6304860
>What is the method behind making this kind of drawing?
Type in "New York cityscape from above lineart by <artistname>"
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>>6304860
Big surface, perspective, patience, a good reference picture to work from, basic inking skills (like see Alphonso Dunn)
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>>6304860
This looks proompted. I can tell from some of the pixels and having seen quite a few proompts in my time.
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>>6305899
Kill yourself.
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>>6306311
This, its literally autism.

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Jump in the pool without knowing how to swim.

This is something I just realized.

Immediately draw what you want and you will learn how to do that specific thing faster than the long arduous process of grinding fundies. For example if I wanted to draw trees in a scene, I wouldnt study a book on perspective or composition just to do it, I would immediately jump into drawing the tree in a scene and learn along the way through experimenting and watching a tutorial. Im "jumping into the pool without knowing how to swim." I will build intuition, and strong neural pathways faster for this specific task. Even if the tree doesnt come out correct you still learned something because you experimented whereas before you knew nothing about the waters you were to scared to tread because you had to "grind fundies" first. Insead of before, I now know know which brushes work best for me, I started asking smart questions like "How do I blend this part in?," and then finding the answer. All of this stuff you wouldnt learn in a perspective or composition book or with "fundies."
Knowing your fundies is important but dont let it stop you from drawing what you want. Unironically "just draw" will make you a stronger artist in the long run. Just drawing without fear of it looking bad combined with studying fundies is the best way to learn.
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>>6302575
>capeshit
opinion discarded
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>>6305373
Seethe grindlet
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NGMI
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>>6303597
Poetically and truthfully said.

I'll start the fucking project come the morrow. Enough boxes.
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>>6303597
>Drawing what you want to draw is hard.

Thats the point though. If something is easy youre not studying right. Even master studies or copies should be hard.

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Is it by design that photoshop is completely useless with anything other than a round brush?
Left is square pen by CSP. I tried it, it works just fine.
How is it that Photoshop has no such thing and if you try to emulate it you get that mess to the right?
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>>6308434
That’s because brushes in photoshop don’t have any kind of vectorization that corrects the lines or keeps the shape proportional.

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Without using tools, rulers, grids, lightboards, projectors, etc. How accurate should your figure drawing be to the actual figure?

I'm going to be looking at some figure drawings from google and overlaying them over the original reference.
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>>6304175
not much, here's a nice movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQYvdr_9g3w
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The accuracy autist begnigger needs to get the fuck out of this board
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>>6304175
>How accurate should your figure drawing be to the actual figure?
"accurate" as in how it aligns exactly with a photo? ideally perfectly.
as others said: this is a fundamental eye skill for artists. the less mistakes you make when reading/perceiving an image, the better.

but keep in mind, while this is a fundamental ability (being able to parse an image objectively without bias), it is NOT the goal for most artists.
to the point where in practice this is not what you should be looking for at all.
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>>6306607
No, you're the retard, anon. Any brain dead idiot can copy a pose exactly
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>>6307426
>Any brain dead idiot can copy a pose exactly
Not him; I was thinking about this earlier today: almost always, people who hold such views regarding high accuracy can't reach it, and barely have ever practiced it ("because it's retarded and anyone can do it").

Yet, all the people who actually have practiced it agree that it's hard, demanding, and fruitful.

A few years ago, I thought spending 10h on copying a Bargue plate to be really accurate was kinda stupid, because anyway, who would give a crap if something was a little off or not. Yet, a few years & dozens of Bargue plates later, I can vow for it: it's an excellent exercice, and aiming at high accuracy is perhaps what has helped me the most. That first, then planes decomposition I guess ("""construction""").

So yeah, if you've never tried it, maybe you should consider giving it a serious shot

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Drawing is so much fun!
Did you remember to have fun drawing today anon?
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uh huh :^)
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>realize I have problem with pressure control
>just go for basic hard 2px brush
>actually have fun "sculping"
Not the professional stuff, but I like it.

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why aren't you losers using the legendary chris-chan pen technique? Maybe your art would be worth posting for once.
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Hey, the results speak for themselves.

You will never be half as famous
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>>6304309
tradd moore's grip is about as fucked-up and he's one of the most precise inkers in the world
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I used to draw with a retarded grip, but then I just taught myself to hold the pen properly. It's not that difficult, and benefits your health.

There are many difficult habits in life to break but the way you hold your pen is not one of them
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>>6304627
Weirdly forces you to use less wrist motion and rely on your arm motion. Perhaps he's onto something.
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>>6304627
>this is how he draws
and apparently how he writes since it looks like he's signing his name. I get that that works extremely well for him in drawing and inking but why doesn't he change it to something more comfortable at least for writing? Especially writing that doesn't matter like a little note to a fan and his name.

Will you guys go back? Will it be back to what was before? Or do you think people have gotten too much used to twitter?
Do you think it'll last?
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>>6300150
These days, getting brigaded is actually beneficial to you because the algorithm likes engagement, and if people are engaging with your content you get boosted. It doesn't care of it's positive or negative engagement, and ultimately you shouldn't either since the end result is more exposure for you.
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>>6305848

but that doesn't really explain reddit and others. like on the apple app store i see apps for fetish dating apps and more.

for me, I believe in the theory that tumblr had shit moderation and let cp get on the front page. not to mention most apps like reddit and Twitter have filters at the time. tumblr did not.
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>>6305848
It isn't about apple, it's about the decreased revenue from advertising companies since those buying ads don't want their product placed next to porn
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>>6306780
Theoretically. But god help you if you ever liked retweeted art of an aged up lewd of a little girl character you never heard of before based just on the art back in 2014. Brigading these days also means they put your account through the pedophile hunt to find any excuse.
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>>6307477
You have a lot of paranoia considering how many popular artists openly draw fucked up shit and still haven't been car bombed by a blue haired twitter warrior.

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Honestly, if I had to start from scratch as a /beg/ again, I wouldn't focus on fundies first thing. THE most important skill for a /beg/ is to JUST DRAW. It doesn't matter what. Your drawings will look like shit, but since you're a /beg/, you're going to be getting significant noob gains just like with any other skill relatively quickly if you stick to it.

Mind you, your drawings will still suck dick, but at least the things you draw after a month will look better, and you will have an easier time drawing, and you will have some level of mileage and understanding of the drawing process. Plus you will have plenty of redraw material in the future. I'd suggest to stick to one thing - I started with Loomis' bloops or whatever the fuck they're called, and I just drew those for about a month. Halfway through I just decided to start drawing busts, and I noticeably improved within a month after drawing them every day for hours.

It's important to develop a comfort zone, but not to stick to it. That was another mistake when learning to draw - I didn't stop drawing busts. For a very long time. The thing is, you need to draw new things to get better at drawing new things. And the learning curve with art isn't a ramp - it's a staircase. You will climb one step and remain at that level for a while, and then something will click and, after some time, you will suddenly intuit something that you didn't before. Anecdotally, I've had different occasions where I put down the pen in frustration, not draw for a while, and then when I pick the tablet back up I suddenly realize I understand how to draw what I wanted to draw. The brain needs time to build connections and understand concepts - there's a physical limit to how much you can learn at any given time.

Once you have some mileage under your belt, then you can move on to construction and perspective and other important fundies, and you will learn them faster as a result.
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>>6306491
Anon I the things I want to draw only exist in my imagination. That's why I don't feel particularly intimidated by AI.
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>>6305138
This, I should have learned a trade.
Anyways. Your main goal as a beg is to simply get the feel the form skill. Keep grinding at it, it'll be like walking into a dark room trying to find the light switch. Eventually you'll find it. But is it really worth it now? Who knows.
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appeal is more important than technical skill
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>>6305031
i did the opposite and i wish i started with a tablet, learning on a tablet with software thats basically hacks makes your gains way easier and faster.
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>>6304972
>The brain needs time to build connections and understand concepts - there's a physical limit to how much you can learn at any given time.
this is true, ive had this happen multiple times where i stop drawing for a week and come back and its like my brain can see the matrix and everything clicks where i had trouble with.

if i were to give advice its kill all fundie fags because i wasted so much time on that bullshit expecting a mastery of anatomy to click by reading some dickhead in a textbook tell me the 3rd metacarpal is 5.16% the length of the femur and bulges at xyz point. take a good anatomy book like "anatomy for the sculptors" which only shows you what the anatomy looks like in multiple viewpoints and details, and just fucking draw. if you get stuck somewhere, reference your anatomy book, someones art, an instagram pic, whatever. just keep pushing and failing and checking against anatomy and successful art pieces. the only actual educative art books ive seen where they try to teach someone, its gestural books like "force drawing human anatomy" which shows you can get good forms without even knowing anatomy at all.
focus on forms, shapes, flow, gesture, and for gods sake do value study with your sketches. a see so many /beg/'s cut out the value part of their art journey early on but its so incredible important to learning how your shapes actually turn into 3 dimensional forms through value, and can really aid in figuring out if your lineart is shit or not.

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why hasn't anyone made a good knock-off/replacement for this website? like youtube and Twitter etc. all have like 1 to 1 recreation rip-offs and alternatives. but not Tumblr. you think it would be easy too. like why hasn't anyone make a Tumblr alternative that has features people liked from tumblr (like an archiving system, asks, customization, etc) like if any of them did that, and allowed NSFW and wasn't paywalled. it would be a hit in a matter of weeks.
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>>6307121
Competition doesn't exist anymore.
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>>6307606
They're all competing for your attention. You are the product.
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>>6307606
That's cause nobody believes things are ever going to improve anymore. The nightmare's have taken over.
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>>6307121
They did
it was/is called Pillowfort
the problem is it suffered the chicken and egg problem and never gained real momentum in forming a consistent userbase
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Good luck getting people to move from established platforms.

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/What happened to Tableguy?/ - Edition

What is /ALT/?
If you're looking for a place to post your cartooning then you've found the right general. This is /ic/s 1st and only merged hub where both Eastern and Western stylization can coexist peacefully, hence the double title.
>Rules & Guidelines
(1) Any form of cartooning is welcome; so submit and receive feedback from others. (2) Please resize your images before posting. (3) Share your knowledge and (4) Remember to not be afraid of asking for critique. Most importantly, keep discussion at a civil level
>I came for anime. Why does the image OP say cartoons general?
To distinguish from the anime study thread (janitor supported). Please post your studies there and personal work goes here.
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>Community Resources
PLEASE HELP POPULATE WITH NEW LINKS
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trying my luck, anyone knows where to find a gallery or reference for all the different types of anime/manga eyes? Pinterest is all over the place and doesn't feel comprehensive enough. E.g I want to have them be sorted to "cool", "cute", "beautiful" and more. I know there are books for expressions but what I'm looking for is "oh hey is a collection of cool eyes stylized".
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>>6307373
I'll upload some stuff from my folders, let me just finish shitting.
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>>6306385
>where is it fucked?
your head
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strongly recommend everyone search "african tribal costumes" and check some of them out

>tfw I know I dont make it
its too late for me bros, im too old, too poor and too damn lazy for this, im offing myself artistically today, give me my last meal, post some cool art and see you on ther other side
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>>6300583

No wife/kids/gf/parent/siblings to take care of? Rent? Food? Do you have a stable day job with decent income and have enough time set aside to do art?
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>>6306806
No, but also yes.
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>>6300583
>>6306806
I'm also 34 and starting out in the sense that I'm really going to try to make art a career. I worked on wallstreet since I graduated at 22, have a boatload of cash saved, no kids, not married, and my schedule is free from when I wake up to when I go to bed to focus on studying
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>>6308010
Best luck to you old anon
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>>6308018
danke anon, same to you.


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