Do you guys also look at amazing pieces from the pre-digital (or at least predominantly trad) era and also think "How?".
It's strategy.(And its still strategy.)
>>7963925Hell yeah! That illustration looks cool af! Escaflowne/ Gundam wing vibes. I look at the major in ghost in the shell and wonder how long it took to animated each scene? What tools? What method did they follow? Jojo's creator and Norman Rockwell seem light-years ahead from the beginners I know.
>>7964904That's real fucking neato! I saw an amazi justice league art book where the guy used real life references and it looked amazing in the finished work.
>>7964464I moreso meant how the many disparate elements combine into something so cohesive, it only seems simple because youre watching a master at work
>>7963925I could draw this if I was paid a salary and had a family waiting for me at home that loved me and I could afford rent and groceries.Until that artist draws this in my conditions, I'm not impressed.
Do you think it's harder to learn music or drawing? ("Music" can be anything, playing an instrument, composition, production, whatever)I think my musician friend doesn't really believe me when I tell him how absurdly difficult drawing is. I don't think you see amateur guitar players struggle for years making no progress at all, the way you see a lot of /beg/ artists do. I don't really want to turn it into a pissing contest but it really seems to me like there's something about drawing that makes it objectively harder than a lot of other creative skills.
>Do you think it's harder to learn music or drawing?You can go to any elementary school and even the most retarded 7 year old is capable of playing an instrument somewhat decently and following instructions without stressing themselves. But if you ask them to take their time and draw something, 99% of them will give you something barely better than a doodle of a preschooler.Music is easier, but drawing is a hilariously cheap hobby. It's also easier to have people consider you good or even really good at drawing even if all you do are 4/10 pieces, while it's way harder for a musician to be acknowledged as good and talented.
>>7968405A 3 minute song takes 3 minutes to make a 1 second drawing take 10 h to make
>>7968378playing an instrument has a lot more objectiveness to it. If you press a key or pluck a string it'll sound like its supposed to most of the time. But if you're comparing the two then it should be drawing vs creating original songs.
If playing the piano was like drawing, someone could press G and the note would play, then you press the SAME note and a fart sound plays. Then people tell you to just press the keys. A third guy comes and presses the G, a fart sound plays, and then everyone claps and is amazed at his style.
>>7971434kek this is such a perfect analogy, drawing really does feel like doing gacha rolls sometimes
>When you realize the "Just Draw" niggas were right all along and you could've already been at high int tier by now if you had started earlier with any course/book and a cheap tablet
>>7971120>>7971316>>7971321>>7971402Usually the advice to "just draw" works very well because the person has 30 books, 10 courses, has already seen Bridgman and Loomis, but but when you check for example, how much they studied about a book the mf literally only made one drawing of the entire book. Bridgman? One page. Loomis? One page, sometimes the person draws one page a week, sometimes one page every two weeks, 30 minutes a week, and wonders why he are not improving.
>>7971375 sovl
>>7971120stupid niggers in this board don't understand making a love bound with drawing is important than doing useless shit to "improve"
draw what? There's infinite different ideas, and infinite ways to execute each idea. There's billions of different ways to render a shape with lines, thousands of colors to make the line, hundreds of sizes to draw teh line at, so altogether there's several factorial different ways to draw the same idea if you can even settle on one. How are you supposed to know which few dozen of these choices are the good ideas? Bad drawings take the same amount of time as good drawings, if not more. And you can't know if a drawing is bad until you start it and get halfway through.
>>7971430You're so close to having a complete thought anon, don't give up!
Gonna motivate myself into drawing daily so i am starting this thread for records.Today i did some elipses and boxes and peter griffin by memory as a treat.
>>7969842Oops
Genuine random shit.I was busy today.
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>>7970539>>7970539omg you draw good, is that Naruto?
Zawg
Are there really people on this board who cannot even draw forms this simple from imagination without a reference?
>>7971356I care. I'm asking because I care We're discussing art in the place where you discuss art. Get a grip.
>>7970925Being able to draw from imagination doesn't mean you necessarilly should do it.
Some people find it easier to work dark to light for this exercise. I know I did when I first started.
>>7971362I don't think "imagination" means "lock yourself in an airtight room with no references whatsoever", I think it really just means "original piece that didn't exist before". So it might be a combination of multiple existing references. What's the point of being an artist anyway if you're not creating original pieces?
>>7970925Yes that would be me
For stupid questions and questions that don't deserve their own thread.Post here if you don't expect your thread to reach 100+ replies.Previous thread: >>7884923
>>7971256This looks entirely AI generated to me.As evidenced by1. The pig paw right hand, and also the fucked right hand little finger and fingers merging into the palm2. The non-functional backpack buckle (one of the straps needs to be behind the buckle).3. The backpack left shoulder strap just flying up in the air4. The backpack having a tail.Also that looks like a just a standard paper texture (it's attempting to emulate a water colour)
>>7971283That artist has been an underground legend way before AI came outOn the right hand you don't even see the middle finger so not sure what you meanIt's just a stylized loli hand with lots of babyfat
>>7967137>>7967165oh, putting things in perspective. thanks!
>>7967270whatever is necessary for your end goal. you have to approach it lime sherlok holmes does. he doesnt study all and every topic there is, he specializes in skills and knowledge that help him to be a good detective and solver of riddles. dr. watson approaches knowledge in a more genral manner, you know versed in all master of none sorta (aside from his basic medical knowledge MAYBE).make sure you strengthen the aspects you need for your dream/goal
>>7971158The head and tail are an obvious E and Y. I thought perhaps Emmy, at first, but the mm isn't quite there. So I assumed it was some made-up young girl's name based on the style.I never saw Envy, though I see it easily enough now. I may have found it depending on the context. It's not terrible, it's nearly there.
>study the old masters!No, I am better.
>>7968209That’s just a blown up roastie. Probably a dead one that Da Vinci dug up
>>7969280Casual take. You can't fuck an anime character lil'fella.
>>7968608You'll notice a lot of the old paintings have women that look like men with tits in them... and that's because that's exactly what they were. It was seen as far too disrespectful and shameful to ask a woman to pose naked for the artist, so they'd have men do it instead, and the artist would try their best to make that look like a woman.I'm unsure of when and why this mindset changed, but I'll go ahead and blame the french, those perverts.
>>79686081. Leonardo DaVinci was probably gay and yes I know 90% of artists have this accusation lobbied at them especially after they die no one hates it more than me, but Leonardo was genuinely the only one in history (off the top of my head) to literally be brought to a court trial for being gay. No matter how many other artists were caught making sus statements towards the same sex, or died in the same house with another person of the same sex, etc, Leonardo literally went to court for it and had to be bailed out by the Medici. The only thing gayer than that is straight up going "Yeah nigga, I'm gay nigga, I love fucking men up the ass nigga" like Il Sodoma did.2. In the Renaissance women posing for men was... not totally illegal (?) just very hard to get systemically done. I think you legally had to be fucking them or go to great lengths to do it, it was just easier to dig up an already dead woman or just pay the most prepubescent teen boy in your workshop to pose in a dress.
>>7969327genuinely what is happening on the top of this Silent Hill monster
DC hired an artist that draws loli and shota porn for a Supergirl oneshot. I don't want to hear you fags crying that drawing porn blacklists you from the industry ever again.
>>7964729Glad we understand each other then.
>>7964616In today"s sociopolitical climate? He'll just be celebrated.
Pretty much every artist is a freak in some way. Look on any comic artist's timeline and you'll see them espousing commie/tranny/grooming shit or calling for the assassination of the president. People just expect artists to be deviant and frankly disgusting people at this point.
>>7970147>Pretty much every artist is a freak in some way.Every artist online. It's a selection process. If you are not a complete prostitute at heart you won't be able to stomach the online world.
>>7960919lol no, he posted this 3 months ago. he's on baraag now
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>>7970726looks flatgood attempt though
>>7971903post your drawing and I'll give you feedback
>>7971669I like it but the proportions seem a little odd to me
he deleted it lol
>>7971905Wait what was in it
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>>7971850neither does prayer, but here we are
>>7971697Nah. The anatomical logic and clothing style is almost dead on to prayer's own
>>7971838Don't compare my boy to Gayer.
Yep, another win for PrayerGAWD
Prayer won't recover from this one...
How do you get over ugly art? Every time I draw, I see the result I'm in pain. I downloaded more than 10 books on figure drawing alone. 10! I can't even copy right! Am i ngmi?
>>7950498Blog? Cute.>>7957544Punk vibe.
>>7947593Keep drawing Anon! As with how everyone else has supported you too, I support you! The little caveman girl is cute and I like everyone else's take on her.
>>7947593>How do you get over ugly art? Every time I draw, I see the result I'm in painIt's honestly something you'll never really get over no matter how good you get. One thing that really, really helps is having art friends to share your artwork with while you're in the /beg/ stage to encourage you and, more importantly, pull you out of your own damn head. Even if your art isn't great, the universal truth for people with your mindset is your art is better than you think it is.>I can't even copy right! Honest opinion, try using a grayer canvas and a sketchier brush, like a pencil or marker (or any thicker pen with pressure opacity). I always found thick, smooth pens were really, really hard to do copy practice with and have a tendency to look uglier than they really are, which is very discouraging. Don't be afraid to erase lines too, subtractive drawing is very useful. Also keep in mind you will never, ever, no matter how good you get, ever be able to make a perfect 1 to 1 copy of something. It's very close to impossible. Studies are there to help teach you proportions (Always be measuring stuff), how to intuit gesture better, and how to use forms (construction), as well as how to pick colors if you're doing that. Every study you do gives you +1xp. It's not a lot, but believe me, it adds up over time. Quickposes and PureRef are super useful for this.Also, line weight helps a ton with lineart. 99% of the time, when something looks upsetting to your eye, it's because of the line weight. Picrel, all I did was fix the line weight (and admittedly a little bit of the line quality in spots).Studies are your BEST FRIEND, try to aim for quantity over quality if you can. Study artists you admire, it's one of the absolute best ways to improve. 5, 25 minute drawings will help a lot more than 1, 2 hour drawing. They're not really gonna be sexy drawings that you can show to other people though, unfortunately.
>>7970803>Studies are your BEST FRIEND, try to aim for quantity over quality if you can. Study artists you admire, it's one of the absolute best ways to improve. 5, 25 minute drawings will help a lot more than 1, 2 hour drawing. They're not really gonna be sexy drawings that you can show to other people though, unfortunatelywell meaning but very subjective take on studies. i don't agree.
>>7971189Ah, yeah I suppose. It just helped me a ton, but I know these things are subjective.
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>>7944828>>7970707shameless samefag
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>>7971177Ah yes, impossible to fake proof. Lying is a sin.
>>7971179im not changing css border styles or whatever the fuck the red lines are to pretend in some ic thread brother
>Ahhh I'm going to delete my drawings!Fuck every schizo who does this shit. Both eastern and western. Even worse if they keep making alts under different names.
>>7969637I'm this and say thisno, I will never repost my shitenjoy lost media if you didn't save it
>>7971131Don’t worry about it babe, I saved it and will repost it without your permission
>>7971132you have my permission
>>7969651Not really all Asians just autistic japs. Chinks pirate a lot
>>7971135I don’t feel like it anymore
Why dothose character designs look like Gabe conceived them?
>>7969858Reminder : GABVRIEL just keeps WINNING and you just keep LOSING .gg/R3NtN4Sbch
>>7969858Gabe's art is based on like proto furry art from the 80s and 90s. The funny animal comics like Bucky O'hare and the kind of high concept furry character goonbait that boomerfurs used to sell at early furry conventions. It feels like there's a line from that to Gameoverese because of the genre and anthro characters, but the only real connection here is the setting and the fact that she's a cat.
>>7971090>Gabe's art is based on like proto furry art from the 80s and 90s.Gabe's art is based off the dude who permanently mind broke him due to improving more than he ever did while also getting semi-popular
>>7971090>>7971127Oh, and also CaptainAnaugi, whose style is pretty much one of the ways the proto furry art you're talking about evolved. NDA was also an Anaugi clone at some point as well.
>>7969916>youtube and porn, it's that easy everytime
I'm comfortable with saying that I have some natural talent for writing. I'm not a published author or anything, but professors have told me that my writing is beautiful, I've won awards from writers' communities, etc. In the same way there were kids in school who were "good at drawing", I was always the kid who was "good at English class".Occasionally I've had people ask me how they can get as good at writing as I am. I never know what to say to them. I'm not trying to crab them, I just honestly have nothing to tell them, no concrete steps they can follow. I never had to consciously work at developing my verbal ability, not even for a second. I've done quite a lot of reading and writing throughout my life, but I never once thought of it as "work" or "practice" or "study". It's all just stuff that I was naturally going to do anyway. My mind seems geared towards absorbing verbal structures via osmosis without really having to put any effort into it.With drawing my situation is totally the opposite. After years of repeated failure, it's clear to me that not only do I lack talent for drawing, but I rather have something like anti-talent: drawing is even harder for me than it is for the average person. I'm used to being good at most things I do, wondering why other people are struggling to catch up, but now the shoe is on the other foot: now I'M the "dumb kid in class", now it's all the talentfags at drawing who are looking at ME and wondering why I can't catch up, effortlessly gliding along and doing things in their sleep that for me are hopelessly complex.(cont.)
>>7962869Talent is merely how easy it is for you to learn and apply something. A person with much less talent can still reach the same heights as a much more talented individual, but it may take a much longer process.This is the reason why observation and construction are important skills for you to develop as they will allow you to understand things that a "talented" person may just realize immediately.tl;dr It will take you lots of study but talent only matters if you care about time; you can still reach the same heights.
>>7962869Ok, but can you learn Trigonometry and Fire Alpaca?
Maybe my story can make you feel a bit better? I'm in a similar situation but in my case I have a talent for drawing and I was hopeless at music, I remember breaking multiple strings while tunning because I was genuinely unable to tell if the pitches were getting higher or lower, l wasn't really aware of how bad I was so I just continued learning songs through videos, then I got a gf that was born for music, incredible singer, played multiple instruments, could figure out song from memory without having listened them in years, I was actually a better player than her thanks to my perserverance but as a musician I was nothing compared to her, I had a couple of months where I was ready to give up, but decided to prove to myself that the advice I had given to other people to push through event without talent had meaning, so I started to practice ear training and similar things, just a bit of time here and there, years later I picked up a new instrument and went to classes, my teacher did a little test to assess my level and I humbly said that I had a really bad ear, after a few questions he told that what did I meant with a bad ear, that I did way better than most people, later talking with other musicians it made me realize that just a little bit of effort through a few years, that I thought of as getting to the "base level where people start from" had given me a decently trained ear. So yeah I've kinda achieved my goal of validating my advice, the best cure for lack of innate talent is to have patience and having hope :)
There are all sorts of ways to tell stories now. All sorts of programs to channel those impulses. If you have the time for experimenting with them, do so.
talent is real. if you have it, don't let go and stay in that lane to succeed. don't try to become a solo game developer and learn programming, music, animation, modelling, game design, texturing...
