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>>7749776
holy shit this takes edges to render

>>7754093
*ages

>>7754030
dielectric is diffuse metallic is reflective

Just picture how it would look in real life in your head and draw it.

>>7749776
you observe and paint what you see
>>7754093
>>7754094
well your first statement isnt wrong either way

I just got some "human-grade" dog treats for my family's dog. I snuck one treat to try it, and fuck they taste good... it's over.

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>>7739876
I hate loomis so much. The woman's legs are so fucking short and the chest is so wide, it's just unappealing. Women proportioned like left exist anyway so why is it considered unrealistic??

>>7756376
realism be damned

looking appealing is a better goal

>>7749634
You're just talking to too many coomers

>>7756376
It's what was considered the standard that would have gotten you illustration work back in the day. He even says so in the book.

>>7756498
but I'm a coomer towards thin fit girls so I don't know what to say, wish I could meet more people that are into those kinds of body types....

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>>7756634
OP here.
Upon further reflection and some self-study, I've noticed a bit of an oddity.
My drawing from imagination looks better/more coherent than drawing from reference. That isn't to say it's good (it's not) but side-by-side, imagination is clearly better than reference.

I'm wondering if I have some kind of motor problem where looking at a subject negatively affects my ability to draw. I feel like when I'm looking at a reference, my brain is getting scrambled with all kinds of information I've picked up from various books and video courses: "SEE the figure", "ALWAYS observe while drawing", "spend 80% time observing the model and 20% looking at your canvas", "try to capture the movement of the pose", "look for the primary action line". There's so much esoteric information to internalize and it ultimately affects my ability to put everything in the right place, angle and scale.

Meanwhile if I draw from imagination, suddenly I'm not burdened with trying to look at a model and I can focus on accurately drawing the shapes in correct proportion. Of course this still comes with all the issues related to drawing from imagination and I don't think I can truly make good progress without reference, but at least I've seemingly narrowed my issue a bit.

How do I train my brain to observe and study a human reference properly?

>>7756634
>>7757201
many such cases of overthinking howies.
just draw and stay mindful and you will have fun and get better

>>7757137
You didn't even make a point, just attached a screenshot of the book and said its snake oil. Snake oil could mean a million different things, you don't like the way the book it formatted, the exercises, the finished illustrations, maybe you think its purposefully misleading or long, what am I a mind reader? Tell me exactly whats wrong with it. The fact that you can't even string a few sentences together for an argument tells me exactly why you struggle with art. You think you're effortlessly smarter and better than everyone and get bitter when you try only to fail.

>>7757300
>just attach the eyes, ears and mouth! see, its easy!
The fact that you can't see the problem here is evidence of how stupid you are, anon.

>>7757201
Train? Just make up your mind about what you want to learn from the reference: form? proportions? poses? values?
The point of a reference is not to copy it line by line.

>>7756929
Reminds me of this guy with nice art that has this on their profile
>20 yo beginner artist just started drawing last year uwu
and then I scroll all the way down their media tab and their very first post was already industry level stuff. Why lie like this?

>>7757429
Because 90% of social media users are actual retards and won't know the difference. And the ones left are too parasocially attached to take offense.

>>7757429
There was one claiming to be a 16 or 17 year old but the account was created in 2009. Some people suck at covering their tracks.

>>7757439
Technically he's not wrong, he just made his account when he was 0 years old.

>>7757429
It gets engagement and likes. Duh.

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>>7756526
>society is becoming full of retard neets with no skills living in their parents homes, with absolutely no taste for art.
That make no sense, 99.9% of story creators are normal adults with a day job.
The isekai subgenre was created by Japanese salarymen trying to escape their horrible work conditions not NEETs or anyone else living life in easy mode.
>Of course a shit manga like that found success, stories about working hard and not giving up no longer sell.
Japanese fiction is about fantasy, and living your dreams not emulating real life.
There's a reason why modern Western fiction is so disliked around the world while Asian fiction is so beloved.
>>7756506
>wasn't spawn co-written with neil gaiman?
The first chapter that Gaiman wrote's chapter 9 and he created a few characters like Angela and Medieval Spawn.

>>7756512
early spawn was alright before it became a powerwankfest like japanese shonen

>>7756517
>I go to comiccons and all the indie artists theyre making the same stupid shit, dumb 20 page short storys about superheroes. Nothing true to life, its all slop. Write something real
Honest question but what would that look like to you? different genres? Or just less cape and shonen shit? I agree about the indie space btw, just wanting to know what others are looking to read

>>7755622
>>7755636
>>7756538
i never said things with superior story to art were guaranteed success, it is widely accepted, especially here, that garbage and slop can be very successful

>>7757245
to be completely honest, Im not super sure I know. I read japanese comics like Blame! Dorohedoro, and Vagabond, and go like wow thats awesome, and then see alot of the great cinema from the 80s - 2000s and go wow thats awesome, and then go to a comic con, and see 10 artists, each with their own autistic comic series about farting hippo detectives, that kids arent gonna be intereseted in cause its lame, and probably too gory for them, but also no self respecting adult would buy or respect.

I guess I want something interseting thats got something to tell. I mean alot of the indie stuff has good art, but theyre boring AF, and I can put my finger on why they are boring compared to the japs. I mean im looking at the best from the japs, so thats probably it.

point is, write something thats new, and cool i guess

>>7759135
Nyooo. Then what was even the point of the voting

>>7758657
I voted for the worst drawing because I thought it would be funny as an OP.

>>7759259
N Y O O O

I voted for goode girls

I voted for everyone

what's the scientific explanation for people defending the degenerate version over the soulful version?

>>7755682
Spite

>>7746062
bottom look like corpo vtuber shit (same camera shot subtitle in bottom middle instead of top left so viewer eye has a road to follow big chara > text > small character)
composition is off too
no line width dif making it flat
hair don't have a weight killing the flow and dynamic

>>7746584
>>7746705
dunning kruger retards

btw I'm so based with being a snarky and toxic faggot on /ic/. and you're all just naive sheeple. I'm the ultimate troll. you're all losers. pyw. kekekek cucks

>>7746062
The top one has a lot of design decisions that flow and work with eachother, making it look really lovely and cute
The overall more cartoony look gives it a way more energetic and expressive look
The bottom one is stiff and has no perspective to it, Looks like something out of a shity visual novel
The expession doesnt communicate as well and in general its just so booring

>>7751903
pretty sure I recalled the painting dog from a game

>>7750494
>>7752312
I'm going to guess that it was Layers of Fear because it has a bunch of real life paintings in it.

>>7751947
It's a self-portrait.

>>7752888
no it's not!!! NOT!!!!

>>7751985
For you.

>>7757399
Really nice style here. What's your process like, if I may ask? And is there a story behind this character?
>>7758345
>>7758721
You are good enough friend, these are very cool drawings. I want to smooch your little bald head like that robot lady is doing.

>>7751313
>girls
pedo

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>>7758737
>>7757399

Ignore that the head changes style halfway through, I just came to the conclusion that anime shit is really unsatisfying to paint.

Sketch with a pencil brush, not very remarkable.

It's a lineart layer and a paint layer underneath until about 0:30, where it all just gets merged together and overpainted. If the background is more complex, I usually paint the colors and shadows as one step alla prima style, but with the white void it's kinda pointless. Hard square brush with a bit of texture, 100% opacity, pressure on texture density, about 1-4% color and brightness jitter, depending on the value. Pen brush for cracks. Smudge blender, blur tool works for big smooth areas.

Dither the colors down to GIF standard 256 color palette, low opacity normal layer on top for the slightly off color noise texture. Bit of airbrushing on overlay to add some big gradients to the shadows.

No story yet, just poking around at the visual design to see if anything comes out of it. I want to do some low-dark-fantasy stuff, but I want to avoid just copying museum photos as much as possible.

>>7758974
fag

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Ok, I'm almost done with this painting. My issues right now are with the bottom half
It's very busy and I want to reduce that. One thing I plan on doing is removing/re-arranging the seaweed on the middle/right side. That's a relatively easy fix
The thing I'm really struggling with is what to do with the netting and fish in the net.
I really want to have her dragging up a net with fish in it, or have her doing something to that effect but it I can't help but feel like it just looks so messy.
I'm willing to do some serious re-painting of the netting, but I'm pretty much unwilling to re-paint the fish, though I can move them around somewhat.

I dunno, I just want a second opinion on all this before I lock into a final version

>>7757279
Make no mistake, though, that while bipolar disorder is bad, that it was really ADHD, my near-complete inability to sit down and work on one thing (unless my hyperfocus dictated I should) which is the thing that's truly held me back the most. In the last 20 years of drawing, I have close to zero finished work, and even that which I might dubiously consider "finished" is woefully undercooked. I don't believe I've ever worked on an artwork for more than a few hours before, and even when I did work on a single piece for a few hours I never *set out * to do so. All I have are oodles and oodles of spasmodic sketches and doodles with the odd, still-spasmodic almost-finished piece here and there.

I really hope that things get better from here. Now that I actually RECOGNIZE the problem- self-diagnosing my ADHD and then casually learning at least a whole year after that that I apparently actually WAS diagnosed by a doctor in middle school, but was never properly informed (I was told I had mild Tourette's by my parents) and apparently it never clicked to my parents that this diagnosis was the reason I couldn't get anything accomplished and was a total basket case, now that's a whole barrelful of monkeys worth of FUN!- it has lead to me actually improving the situation I've been languishing in for all this time, but it's still frustratingly slow and fraught with peril. At least now I can actually clean my room at 30 years old, hooray.

>>7757102
i can definitely see the influence. recently i've been trying to study some of his stuff from his sketchbook but i kinda get lost in his lines sometimes, mostly with the faces and heads

drawing whatever you feel like for 8 hours is a lot easier than drawing inflation futa commissions for 8 hours.

>>7757338
you control the pencil

>>7757363
But capitalism controls me

>>7757308
What does the cat have to do with your question

>>7757313
It wants to know too

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>>7757308
you ever seen those yt videos where artist make a palette and twist it so they dont know which color is which? And they turn everything into grey scale and paint the pictures based on the value. And the painting would become beautiful looking even if the colors are totally different. However the value of the painting sets the stage on the painting. Color is only to give the painting/illustration the vibe/emotion of the image. Value places the image into 3d form/reality.

>>7756017
no, I draw by my own fetish desires

>>7756017
Nice Mikus, keep it up :)
I don't watch a lot of art YouTube, not consistently, but pikat is good, I sometimes watch lavendertown - but more for fun than advice. JakeDon'tDraw seems good from what little I've seen.

>>7756017
>are there art youtubers you particularly like?
naoki saito

>>7756017
>>>/beg/

>>7756017
I would just wholesale avoid art youtube personally. Just by the nature of how social media engagement works, they have to be very dogmatic and sensationalist to the point where no matter what they're basically just lying to you.

If you get stuck, look it up, watch the youtube video for suggestions and try again. But do not watch more and do not subscribe. After the problem is solved, forget they exist.

>>7715471
>>7715498
Any recommendations for someone starting out? Only trying to hone in on my niche rather than mass appeal slop

>>7756057
Post to Pixiv, Deviant Art, NewGrounds and E-Hentai. Notice the difference they have over algorithm based sites? The users can search the tags and see everything without the algorithm deciding what you see. Simply use the relevant tags. People into certain niches and fetishes keep tabs on their scenes so make sure anyone with shared passion can find you if they search the tags relevant to your subject.

Show that you are available. When user finds your art and checks your profile, the first thing you want them to see is that you are open for comms. You want the dopamine they get finding new consumables to be linked with the info that they can order art from you.

Network with other artists of the scene and check if they host their own Discord server and if there's bigger discord servers for your niche and subject. Join them and post your works and comm sheet there.

>>7717640
one benefit is you can get jobs overseas

>>7717319
dick in top left

>>7715471
Congrats on your success, anon. The median annual income for workers in the US is around $62,000. How much time do you devote to your commissions? Do you have a full-time or part-time job in addition to doing art?