How could you achieve success and reach at least the highest /beg/ level without talent ?
>>7433112draw
>>7433131I don't understand the relationship of the torso to the pelvis, the tilt and perspective of the pelvis, the position and perspective of the legs, simple drawing won't help, I can't feel or see in my mind the correct image of the figure, even with a damn reference
>>7433112literally just >>7433131practice makes a master, which you wont be, but you will be able to draw some simple things decentlyunless you are borderline retarded >>7433149at that point though i struggle to understand how did you manage to even make this post OP
>>7433149https://youtu.be/gpH8T2CRlLI?si=87aHqHzozyhUvoyjhttps://youtu.be/Dffiympi1RA?si=5sPUXXbQ9UOVBwMsI'm too tired to explain but after doing the full Hampton book, following along to these two videos and then spending a week or two doing figure drawings from rkgk is what finally made it click for me
>>7433112learn to draw from observation first
Plan it out. Define what your current goals are for now and your long term goals. For the long term one as you said, it's achieve success and reach at least the highest /beg/ level without talent. Since success doesn't happen overnight and different people have different pacing, You wouldn't become the next Art God that you know of overnight, would you? If you did then give me some of that goodness!Also ask yourself this, what exactly is this "success" that you're trying to achieve? What is this highest level that you're trying to achieve? Be specific. People have different answers for this one and only you yourself will know the answer to this unless you share it.But if you want an actual answer disregarding all that stuff that I just said, most of us would say is practice the basics and fundamentals since they are the building blocks of drawing and once you get a solid foundation you can either move on to your next subject or study the basics and fundamentals further along with your next subject. And of course don't forget to ask for feedback.
>>7433112>How could you achieve success and reach at least the highest /beg/ level without talent ?Just keep doing what you are doing. Copying your favorite artists is how you start. Just try to make it look similar.
>>7433149You’re mindlessly copying and placing forms again that aren’t there. You would be seeing the bottom plane of the pelvis not the top. Draw from life. This is also a terrible reference as nothing about this is anatomically correct. Learn to draw a real person before stylized shit.
>>7435340good job on not being 50% wrong this timealso what if he wants to draw stylized shit
>>7435340>those gigabeg linesThis guy is fucking retarded, but his advice is still right.
>>7435340I'm not mindlessly copying, I gave up on boxes because the torso is more of a fucking egg than a box, thanks for clarifying the mistake with the pelvis, but the red lines of the torso are darkness
>>7433112Hows this? I think this pose is a bit too weird, try to break things down into 3d shapes
>>7433112Talent isn't real.The inherent ease of understanding a medium people call "talent" is merely the commitance of knowledge to muscle memory. It's gained through practice and it's what separates the 1% from the 0.01%. You're not even a casual peruser, why would you have the mark of the elite?The deficient need to stop trying to compare themselves with the superlative. You don't have a right to succeed, you have not even tried to fail in earnest.
>>7435946I watched small Japanese YouTube channels about drawing, one of them became high /beg/ in nine months, another showed that already in middle school he knew a lot about perspective and colors, a few months ago there was a channel of a Japanese guy who in 2 years of drawing did not advance from the child's level, talent, like a mathematical mindset, is real, so some achieve perfection in drawing and understand the code, and people like me have to understand how to draw fucking eggs-torsos from the back in the correct perspective and do not achieve improvement, in /beg/ they helped me with this picture and I feel blind when I just do not see the correctly rotated box, this is what distinguishes people, in the comments under one of hide's videos where he was sent an ugly drawing of Madoka there was a Japanese guy who confirmed my position, he played football for 10 years and was a mediocre player, having received a leg injury he advanced to illustrator in 2 years of drawing and now earns money from this
>>7435340wtf are those schizo cubes?
>>7435340We're reaching levels of westoid previously thought impossible.
>>7436215They're not talented.You're retarded.It's that simple.
>>7439923Then how can I reach the int level?
>>7433112>How could you achieve successyes>that doesn’t taste like a gusher!No
>>7440347Making up for your retardation with thousands of hours of practice. Count how many hours you spent at school to be barely /beg/ at history, chemistry, biology, etc. Multiply it by 10 at the very least.That's how much time the deficient need to put into a subject to be at a base level of competency.
>>7433112Trace 3d models.
>>7440469How did you learn to draw, how many mistakes did you make?
>>7433112The least talent you have, the more hard work you need to put into practice.If you have absolutely no talent, then it's probably pointless to even try. Find a hobby that is more suitable for you.
>>7433149>I don't understand the relationship of the torso to the pelvis, the tilt and perspective of the pelvis, the position and perspective of the legs, simple drawing won't helpFirst try to copy accurately. Then compare your drawing to the source: what went wrong? what did you fuck up the most? why did you fuck up? The connection of the legs to the pelvis? Ask yourself why. Why mine's wrong but not the source? How does it look like it connects in the source? Analyze, break down, make your best guess. Copy the problem area 30 times trying to get it right and understand it.That's how you learn, you don't need a magical YouTube grifter's paid course to tell you how it works, just ask questions and analyze.
>>7433112I think of talent as:1) Fitness for the task, i.e. a person with narrow hips and long legs is fit for running. Fitness for drawing would probably mean (aside from the obvious of having a reasonably steady hand) some characteristic of the brain which is not readily identifiable, such as a very strong visual memory.2) Loving the activity so much so that doing it is not perceived as a chore or work.When both of the above are present, you *still* need the basic intelligence to recognize errors, correct the course of your practice and pursue excellence in order for "talent" to be recognized. This last part is what almost every successful artist has even if "talent" is absent.People here tend to associate "talent" with a result. They see a good drawing and think, "That guy has talent!" But really, the talent is the innate quality that caused the artist to pursue his craft and develop his skill through all the difficulties that cause other people to quit. If you don't have that drive innately, you have to develop it by intention.
>>7440687>The least talent you have, the more hard work you need to put into practice.>If you have absolutely no talent, then it's probably pointless to even try.How do you type out these two sentences right next to each other without feeling retarded? Is it talent?
>>7440725Instead of attacking me, why don't you explain where I'm wrong?When I say no talent at all, I'm exaggerating, because OP used that wording.Go ahead.
>>7440851He meant that I need to work very very very hard due to the lack of talent, your first post was quite depressing, I’m still worse at natural and technical sciences, I should at least somehow learn to draw
It depends on the market the art is suited for. Not much Loomis among greeting cards, but cartoon, photo bashing, photography and abstract art,from artists who got paid.
>>7440618I made millions of mistakes but it doesn't matter because I was three drawing dolphins and dinosaurs in my walls.That's "talent". It's all the training people did without realizing they were training. The million times the wrote letters to their friends before trying to write their first essay. The million songs they hummed before picking a guitar. The million doodles they carved into their school desk. The million times they threw a ball in their backyard. If you squandered your youth and don't enjoy what you're doing enough to fail a million times, you're done. Quit. There's no way to get good at any skill without failing.
>>7440985>I’m still worse at natural and technical sciences, I should at least somehow learn to drawYou're under the false impression that everyone is good at something.That's high school teen drama thinking. Most people aren't good at anything because they never put real effort and dedication into anything and they're inherently defective so they need to try ten times as hard anyway so they'll never achieve anything more than being a wagecuck.The dumber and older you are the more devotion you need to apply to learning a skill. And to be honest, you need to be in love with the skill for real or you'll just burn out and become yet another schizo howie seeking secret shortcuts that don't exist.
>>7441251So I can learn mathematics and programming languages if I start with school basics and basic syntax, and also if I continue to draw? This is all hard for me...
>>7433112blind leading blind is crazy to watch
>>7441263Yes you can learn anything you put enough hours into.But it's too hard soo why even try?
