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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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5000 years history
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>>16857344
Wrong

See
>>16857167

Also you're a schizo miscontruing why Torks and Greeks are rivals because you're a shill
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Ah sweet, a schizo thread.
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>>16857283
Some evidence beats zero evidence.
You would think going through college would teach you that.
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>>16857334
Talk about pushing an agenda
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>>16857348
Explain?

God exists and He is in the side of Jews, His one and only Chosen People
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Once I came to an evangelical and asked:

"If Yahweh existed, he would make all people able to read Hebrew and Greek to be able to read his sacred words in the original. After all, he can do anything and wants everyone to know his words. So why not make all people able to read in Hebrew and Greek automatically?
Wouldn't it be better? You know that the original languages of the Bible are Hebrew and Greek, right? to depend on dirty translations?

But, on the contrary, 99% of people throughout history could not even read in their own languages. Only elite people could read in most parts of the world until the 20th century.

And why do we depend on crappy translations of reproductions of reproductions of reproductions?

Why didn't Yahweh provide incorruptible material for his words to be written? Are not his words sacred? Didn't he stop the Sun, according to your book? Then. How difficult would it be for him to provide material that wouldn't wear out over time for his words to be written down?"
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>>16856877
Because it's funnier watching the thing mutate into a hideous caricature of itself with each passing year
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>>16856877
All questions about why God doesn't do some good have the same answer: it's because he's prevented from doing so by the impossibility of infinities. Since he's the best possible being, his very definition means he has to do anything to the best possible extent of his ability. So if he decided simply "I'll make the world better", he would have to make it infinitely better - a logical impossibility. Instead he had to decide "I'll make sure the world is always getting better", which avoids a problem with infinities, however it means he doesn't directly act unless it's needed to make that statement true. And those instances are quite rare.
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>>16857003
your inability to deal with the problem broke your brain and now you are posting nonsense.
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>>16856877
Abraham found God before the bible was written.
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>>16856877
1 Illiteracy helped to create a hierarchy of theological interpreters.


2 The similarity between the Greek Septaguint ans Hebrew Masoretic despite language split attests to its preservation since the 1st century divergence of Christians and Jews. If the languages were the same you would just assume one copied the other.

3 If the papyri were completely preserved, ancient people couldnt tell, without carbon dating anyway. So its fuitile. (You need a divergence method like above to attest to preservation)

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I saw someone mention that contrary to popular belief, Jews in the Middle Ages were actually allowed to in some cases to work normal jobs that didn't have to do with money, specifically in communes or whatever that had more of a favorable view on them and had Jews living around it like in Oldenburg. But that said Jews, generally would still not choose to work a 'normal' job like ploughing the field as they saw it as slave labor and below them, so instead they would try to pawn off the farm equipment to peasants or serfs in exchange for either monetary compensation or they would have said serf/peasant who borrowed the pristine farming equipment also do the extra work that was assigned to the Jew instead... Then the Jew would basically just sit back and relax while collecting money on work done by someone else.

I believe it could have happened in some fringe cases, but I'm still trying to at least find some sort of mention of this online, yet I can't come across anything proper.
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>>16857339
The JEW cuckolded the nigger with dildos to soderent the Goatse of your mother's anus. Snotcheese coldere ababiendo fart!
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>/pol/
I don't doubt many Jews engaged in criminal activity, but frankly /pol/ has a rather low IQ understanding of economics and politics. Due to their refusal to accept the Messiah, Jews were disliked by the general population and would make pretty poor loan sharks without the protection of a patron since literally anyone could steal from them without consequence otherwise.

Many Jews also converted to Christianity if they found themselves destitute and reduced to agricultural labor, if not then their children would having spent their lives in a Christian community. Thus Jewish communities tended to either be middle class or urban poor in ghettos.

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>millions of people in the world worship the liar, murderer, bigamist, adulterer, and child rapist prophet Muhammad
>they even go on a religious pilgrimage so they can worship their idol of their black cube in Mecca
What exactly is the appeal of Islam?

Muslims don't even boldly and honestly proclaim their beliefs, they lie all the time to outsiders about what their religion and their unholy book teaches. It's like they subconsciously know they should be ashamed of their beliefs and will only boldly speak them when they have large numbers; and at that point, they'll just stab people who speak against this backwater pagan idolatry pedophile death cult.
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>>16854892
>Killing POW's in tribal wars is ok in proportionate retaliation
Absolute cope, there is zero indication in the traditional sira sources that the Meccans had killed Muslim POWs before that point. And it wasn't them just deciding that it was proportional retaliation, the traditional story is that God directly told them to do it and the verse mentions nothing about proportionality.
>It is not for a prophet to have captives [of war] until he inflicts a massacre [upon Allāh's enemies] in the land.
It's also not limited to that one event, at least in Shafii fiqh it is still halal to execute POWs. Among other war crimes like killing male non-combatants or enslaving all the women and kids of a conquered town. Which is fucking Bronze Age shit, nobody besides maybe some steppeniggers was doing that in the medieval era.
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>>16854892
>The Geneva Convention is about wars between whole countries, so the rules are a bit different
This doesn't make sense either, where do you think the fiqh on how a state should be run and how it should interact with other states come from? The Quran, Sunnah and qiyas same as everything else. The model for what Islamic law says about state relations is tribal and always will be, you cannot get around this unless you ditch the ulama.
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>>16848846
Yes.
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>>16848842
seethe, the world belongs to kikes and muzzies
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>>16848941
Evangelicals are hardly Christian. Please delineate between evangelicals and (roman Catholics\protestants\orthodox) Christians
Most Catholics loathe them at a visceral level.

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>>16857298
Here's a Greek children's book depiction of Alexander now that you mentioned it
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When I was a young child, my dad had a co-worker named Hector who was a big fat Mexican guy
Later, I read the Illiad and I couldn't stop thinking of Hector as a big fat dude. I had never met anyone named Achilles or Agamemnon so I had no expectation of what they might look like.
Then they kept calling Hector "Breaker of Horses" because that was his epithet. So I would imagine him as a big fat guy who was so heavy when he put his armor on that it broke the horses' back.
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>>16857323
Dangerously... Based...
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>>16857298
Try again

"Look...this continent America....has been brown for thousands of years...for its entiry history...and then those starving invaders from Europe started to come...and in just one generation 90% of us were dead..."
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>>16857121
>this continent America....has been brown for thousands of years
And It's still brown
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>>16857202
90% of the conquest of the americas was economic migrants. random german families with a wagon and a shotgun moving there family to fresh pastures did more damage than any government organised military strategies.

The most famous war, with custer and stting bull - Great Sioux War- only killed 265 indians. barely anything. but all the little encounters between random economic settlers and their neighbouring injuns would add up to tens of thousands a year. then you had the economic settlers buying indian wives and diluting the genepool.

>>16857208
Le mass immigration is a punishment for colonialism arguement. can you get anymore jewish? Also try expaining sweden which didn't have a colonial empire but somehow is going to be minority swedish in next 30 years.

What about austria?
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>>16857312
>look here, mutt, we’re the real white people
Ben Franklin might have been joking but he had a point
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>>16857359
Ben Franklin's race is extinct
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>>16857359
I said European. I don't care if you think is "white". An indigenous Greek and Albania is indeigenous to their part of the continent just the same as the Irish an indigenous to Ireland and Portuguese indigenous to Portugal and Finns are indigenous to Finland. Whether these people are the same race or different races is irrelevant because the thing they all have in common is they are indigenous to their respective countries.

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Why were Protestants more supportive of Nazis than Catholics?
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>>16855456
The church never said this retard
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>>16855783
>The church never said this retard
The catholic church did say that, it is old news.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/gqmkkq/the-vatican-says-that-jews-dont-need-jesus-to-be-saved-vgtrn
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>>16855818
No it didn’t moron.
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>>16854040
>Why were the parts of Germany most affected by the aftermath of WW1 so eager to vote for Hitler?

Its a mystery.
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>>16856157
>the parts of Germany most affected by the aftermath of WW1
That would be the Rhineland and the Ruhr.

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How come Africans never invented the wheel, agriculture or left the stone age? Low iq? Or something else?
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OP why post here when you don’t actually care about history you just make these threads to push your modern politics
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>>16857037
We wuz donald duck n shieet
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>>16857037
>IQ
Why do people think IQ is some DBZ power level? It's like people saw the Saian+Namek saga and didn't get the message about scouter ratings (hint:the scooters themselves weren't a problem).
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>>16857004
Wheels are jewish

Agriculture is Jewish

Metallurgy is Jewish

IQ measurements are Jewish.

this is what happens when the Jews don't improve a society without the benevolent jewish presence.
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>>16857074
this board has been a schizo and sperg dumping ground for years by this point, mods will only do the bare minimum if said schizos keeping going on giga melties and even then it can take a while, just look at how long GDP schizo was allowed to shit up the place

Historically, did women become "masculine" in extreme environments? as in civilizational collapses like at the end of the Bronze Age or in environments of transition and overlap and genetic replacement as was the case in certain areas of the Neolithic~Mesolithic? we can argue in modern times, although I don't believe that similar things, or at least with such a collapse, have occurred in recent centuries.
we see post-apocalyptic series like the walking dead, where they show how pressure made women become masculine... becoming warriors, leaders, strategists, etc. etc. Does this make sense from a biological or historical point of view?
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>>16856841
see >>16856755
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>>16856755
>making pots, baskets, clothing, etc. is not "masculine"
however, men also made pots, ceramics and things like that. and using this as an example that they stay at "home" is not true, it is not even possible to leave them at home.. in addition to collecting, they did other activities
look up videos of rural european ladies (vintage)
>it's basically gender neutral
What should this mean?
>but depending on what men have chosen to pursue, it can become more feminine in a culture
no. It depends on the conditions and wealth of this society. That's why we had Greek women from Athens in the house and women from the 50s in the house. It all depends on how evolved society is.

>The actual role of women across all* cultures is having children. Only women have wombs.
Yes
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>>16856860
>however, men also made pots, ceramics and things like that. and using this as an example that they stay at "home" is not true, it is not even possible to leave them at home..
men can do anything women can besides getting pregnant, what's your point?
>It depends on the conditions and wealth of this society
which depends on men, his point still stands
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>>16855488
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Hatchet

>This order was founded during the Reconquista to honor women combatants in the site of Tortosa against Muslims.
>During that year, amid heavy fighting between the two fronts, Muslims besieged Tortosa after a withdrawal of Berenguer. In the absence of men to defend the city, women joined the fight, dressing as men and attacking with hatchets and anything else they could lay their hands on. They successfully repelled the attackers. Their participation was essential to the defense of Tortosa. In appreciation of these facts, Count Ramon Berenguer instituted the order of the hatchet for women who participated in that defense, which brought them privileges and tax exemptions, among other things.
>This was not a military order, but it was one of the few female honorific orders.
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>>16857376
Also, no new members were accepted into the group and it dissolved the moment all members of it died. It was only created as a way to give compensation to the women who picked up arms and defended the place against Muslim invaders.

Only 17 days after "Squeaky" Fromme tried to shoot President Ford, a second assassination attempt was made on the 38th president. Ford addressed the World Affairs Council in San Francisco on September 22, 1975 and at 3:30 PM he stepped out of the St. Francis Hotel in Union Square and began walking towards the presidential motorcade. He paused to wave to a crowd gathered across the street.

About 40 feet away was Sara Jane Moore. Moore shot at the president twice with a .38 Special revolver. One shot passed about 5" from Ford's head and went into the wall above the doorway he just walked out of. A bystander and ex-Marine named Oliver Sipple heard the shot and leapt at Moore, grabbing her arm. She managed to get off a second shot which hit a taxi driver named John Ludwig in the groin. He survived. SFPD officer Tim Hettrich then tackled Moore and pried the gun from her hand. Several other officers assisted in subduing her. The Secret Service shoved Ford into the presidential limousine and shielded him. The limo went to San Francisco International Airport where Air Force One was waiting to take him back to Washington D.C. After two assassination attempts in less than a month, Ford took to wearing a bulletproof jacket for the remainer of his presidency.

Sara Jane Moore was 45 years old. A native of West Virginia, she was born as Sara Kahn and was of German ancestry. After graduating high school in 1948, she studied nursing, joined the Women's Army Corps during the Korean War, and then worked as an accountant. Moore had four children between five different husbands and by the mid-1970s had taken to radical politics. She was reportedly obsessed with Patty Hearst, the publishing heiress who was kidnapped by the Symbionese Liberation Army. Her father Randolph Hearst founded the organization People In Need to feed the poor when the SLA charged Hearst with "crimes against the people." Moore had volunteered as a bookkeeper for PIN and was also an FBI informant.
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>Moore, a volunteer bookkeeper for PIN, had been serving as an FBI informant there until the moment she attempted to assassinate Ford
So what was Ford up to that made someone want him gone?
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>>16857254
Spent decades in a Federal prison that's basically a women's college with bars. Not like she had a lot of stress to age her. BTW if you get a life Federal sentence you're automatically paroled in 30 years if you showed good behavior. that's how her and Fromme got out.
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>>16857284
>>16857254
>>16857229
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>>16857199
>>16857195
>Kahn
>German ancestry
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>>16857378
Yes.

>Kahn
>North German: occupational name for a boatman, from Low German kane ‘small boat, barge’.
>North German: from a short form of Kahnert, a variant of the personal name Konrad.
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>>16857374
It was just bad luck that he happened to be in California which was an absolute cuckoo's nest of lunatics in the '70s and many of them were butthurt that he pardoned Nixon.

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>Emperor Wu of China was a very benevolent Buddhist. He built many temples and monasteries, educated many monks, and performed countless philanthropic deeds in the name of Buddhism. He asked the great teacher Bodhidharma, "What merit is there in my good works?" Bodhidharma replied, "None whatsoever." The Emperor then asked, "What is the Primal meaning of Holy Reality?" Bodhidharma answered, "Emptiness, not holiness." The Emperor then queried, "Who, then, is this confronting me?" "I do not know," was Bodhidharma's reply. Since the Emperor did not understand, Bodhidharma left his kingdom.
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>dude everything is meaningles lmao
>therefore you should spend the majority of your life sitting around doing absolutely nothing
isnt this just what bhuddism boils down to once you remove all the supernatural mumbo jumbo?
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>>16857278
No. OP's story is probably simultaneously a mistranslation and an example of an esoteric teaching.
>therefore you should spend the majority of your life sitting around doing absolutely nothing
A core facet of Buddhism is that the Buddha tried that and it didn't do shit. Buddhism is principally about mindfulness and compassion.
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>>16857286
>implying compassion isn't attachment
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>>16857350
I'm compassionate to your mom, doesn't mean I'm attached to her when I pump and dump that bitch.
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Buddhism make the hislarpers seethe because it includes all the positive parts of religion like meaning or structure but not the retarded stuff like an exodus or global flood (or hindu fairy tales)

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Vlad is so cool. His/1400s Wallachian history has always been interesting. Hunyadibros and Mehmedbros BTFO.
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ITT: romanian derangement syndrome

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All religion is a lie.
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>>16856024
Yeah they're pretty good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIHVzJMjVDs
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>>16855984
You were born an incel therefore Incelism is your Religion because you will die an incel.
>>16856024
Science has proven Genesis fiction and Exodus fiction also.
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>>16855869
I’m not arguing with you, I’m insulting you.
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>>16855840
Yes. But it's a good lie, telling us that death is not the end and our loved ones are not really gone.
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>>16855840

Does that include secular religions like humanistic liberalism?


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