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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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thoughts on him?
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his project was essentially the elimination of sophistry so naturally he makes sophists seethe
i am sure a friendly neighborhood sophist will drop by and demonstrate
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>>18534137
"His project" was to make social consensus the ultimate determiner of an object's essence instead of Plato's forms (or God). Wittgenstein was literally directly continuing the philosophy of sophists like Gorgias that Plato argued against whereas most other famous philosophers continued from Plato's philosophy

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after spending 13 months in Vietnam I have a question for you
why are western people more problematic and suffering from more mental issues than asians? Is it a diet thing or vaccines or what?
You dont see satanist kids and teens in Vietnam or adults with long hair and metallica shirts
It's totally the opposite of west
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>>18534149
lmao what thirdie cope is this, no one thinks southern europe or latinxistan is conservative
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>>18534149
>Most of the world is more socially conservative than Americans.
That's why most of the world sees both the donkeys and the elephants as pozzed freaks.
Thanks for the concession btw.
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just chiming in to remind everyone that the most "socially conservative" country on earth has zero issues with men raping boys
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>>18534155
You didn't even make an argument lol
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>>18534152
Compared to Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, most of Latin America (only exception is Uruguay), Italy, Poland, Croatia, etc are all mostly conservative. Note how I said socially conservative. Obviously there are very fiscally left nations that are very socially conservative, most third world countries are both. Americans conservatives are unique in their love of being fucked over by corporations in the name of freedom.

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Who was more powerful during the low middle ages. The emperor or the French king?
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before the inevitable ban from our very thin-skinned brazilian mod
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>>18533635
I was specifically referring to the codification of the election process by the Golden Bull of 1356 since before that the election/confirmation of the German King/Emperor was just an assembly by some of the Greats of the Realm. This uncertainty factor in part led also to the Interregnum. And while the process of the eligible-for-elector Greats was already somewhat in practice in the previous century, only the Golden Bull of 1356 made it a fixed process.
>Habsburg ensured the election of the eldest son or heir while the emperor was still in power eliminating disputes and the need for new electoral campaigns after the monarch's death.
Not entirely true. Many Habsburg emperors still had to buddy up to the princes in order to secure their succesors. Frederick III. for example had to content with the rising Wittelsbacher and in part only secured the succession of his son Maximilian because he didn't invite the Bohemian King to the election of his son, which breached the Golden Bull of 1356 (but nobody cared).
>Unlike other candidates, the Habsburg possessed vast and rich elector duchies/principalities
Also not entirely true. Only after 1493 did they (namely Maximilian I.) manage to secure a part of the Burgundian Inheritance und the main "gem" of the austrian crown, that being the Kingdom of Bohemia, only fell to them securely in 1526. And while before that 3 members of the house of Habsburg managed to become the kings of Bohemia as well, their control over those territory was slim at best and went hand in hand with much instability.
>>18533653
The Papacy of Avignon had nothing to do with Imperial/Habsburg interests in Italy. More so that France simply dgaf about the supposed primacy of the Pope and simply preassured the college of the cardinals into submission.
>>18533751
Somewhat. But Venice had simply emancipated itself from any amount of byzantine control long before the 4th crusade.
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>>18533901
In the early HRE the ecclesiastical princes were also the most reliable vassals of the King/Emperor. Much of the administration of the realm was hinged on the bishopships and many abbeys, which also supplied much of the martial force.
>The Germanic Emperor gave lands to the Papacy in exchange for them dividing his kingdom into countless principalities.
What? The Concordate of Worms specifies that bishops and abbots within the HRE get their physical fiefdom and their jura regalia invested into them by the Emperor, which makes them secular vassals of the imperial crown. Only the election of bishops and abbots took place without the participation of the king or emperor (the emperor was still allowed to decide in cases of electoral draws within a given diocese).
>>18533998
>The most powerful people in the empire were always powerful as a result of their direct dynastic possessions (a concept called 'hausmacht')
That's true for every kingdom. The early french kings were piss poor and limited at best to the Île-de-France with their influence.
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>>18534084
In 1400, Spain, as the nation we know today, did not even exist yet, retard. There was Castile, Aragon, etc. In that century the Reconquista was finished for good (Granada). Europe had already a middle class in medieval times while Spanish Reconquista happened, it was heavily concentrated in the Netherlands, the Hanseatic League cities of Germany, and the city-states of North Italy which were major centers of commerce and industry. The Netherlands were favorably positioned at a crossing of east-west and north-south trade routes of North/Baltic Sea (which connected England, Scandinavia, Germany, France, Poland and Baltic countries), connected to a large German hinterland through the Rhine river which flowed the way to Switzerland, the other great financial confederation in Europe. Spain had very little of any middle class during its golden age in the 16th-17th centuries, a trade route focused solely on send manufactured goods to Atlantic/Americas (a poor industry, since Spanish colonies could not trade their commodities with each other and were discouraged from making manufactured goods) and not on European Internal Market and was almost entirely propped up by the influx of gold and silver from the New World.

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>>18534141
Thanks for the correction.

>In the early HRE the ecclesiastical princes were also the most reliable vassals of the King/Emperor. Much of the administration of the realm was hinged on the bishopships and many abbeys

This didn't happen because their positions weren't hereditary, their lands couldn't become rival dynasties, which made them loyal administrative pillars of the Holy Roman Emperor? I know that, with the spread of the Reformation, the secular and ecclesiastical princes who converted to Protestantism gained enormous economic and political incentive, they could legally appropriate vast lands, abbeys, and Catholic wealth, keeping the money that previously went to Rome.
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>>18534167
You're reiterating the argument you dumb faveladog, they didn't develop because spain and its colonies chose to hidalgomaxx. Literally how the fuck can you pretend that the fucking netherlands had a more opportunistic trade route than spain did in the same time period, "hue"

>everywbere major religion in the world has a global flood as its foundational myth
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>>18534122


DID YOU EVEN READ THE POST TO WHICH YOU REPLIED?
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>>18534146
Yes, that is how I know you are too retarded to understand that jesus worshiped the god of abraham and isn't even the founding member of his own religion, just some guy who came along proclaiming to be king and became yet another icon for a people who claim not to have any icons.
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>>18534148


WHICH PART OF MY POST MADE YOUR IMAGINATION CONCOCT ALL THAT?

ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU READ THE POST?
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>>18534146
No corn snacks today thanks
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>>18534153
Did you even read my post? It was pretty clear.
Jesus didn't found any religion, he tried to become king of the religion of Abraham because of his Judah blood rights and the religion of Abraham and Judah does have a foundational deluge story.

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Return of the godtards edition

What is physicalism? Everything is physical. Or in babby terms: made up shit doesn't exist.
This is very annoying to godtards, philosophers and similar ilk, because it invalidates entire life purposes with simple basic reality.

Previous thread: >>18527950
Recap of the previous thread:
>ackchually religions never were unscientific
>consciousness isn't fully understood yet so it must be ghosts n shiet
>seething about the existence of this general
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>>18533534
ITT: we deny reality and the laws of physics while arguing for them
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>physicalism
Given that physics is always a moving target, physicalism means little more than reductionism. Other than that, it's just a vague monism associated Physics(tm) - Current Year Edition.

"Physicalism" tells me nothing about what it means for reality to be physical. To an 18th century physicalist, quantum fields are no more physical than souls, but far more offensive, because the basic premises of QM would seem to undermine the rational structure of nature (at least to the learned minds of that age). And yet you have a ton in common with those people philosophically because most of what you attribute to physicalism is sufficiently accounted for by reductionism.
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>>18534147
Magic isn't real. Ghosts do not exist. Vampires do not exist. Wizards do not exist. Pixies do not exist. You come from monkeys. Grow up.
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>>18534150
>mandatory incongruent psychotic patient response
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>>18533534
I suppose I approach the issue phenomenologically. So much of experience seems to consist of unphysical forces, not just religious but even something as everyday as law or money is an unphysical thing, albeit with a physical enforcement or correspondent. So I don't really understand what the basis of physicalism actually is. From what I can tell, it seems to come down to sensory input, but I'm not sure the senses as they're conventionally discussed are well founded either.

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What is the closest the World has come to a nuclear war?
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THREE DAYS AGO.

>ruling ideology of israel is zionism
>ruling ideology of saudi arabia is wahhabism
>ruling ideology of china is socialism with chinese characteristics
>ruling ideology of north korea is juche
>ruling ideology of USSR was marxism-leninism
what is the ruling ideology of USA?

He was the greatest Briton who ever lived and it's not even close
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>>18532647
>he was against it
No he wasn't. He was clueless about what to do and deferred to conservatives against the advice of Keynes. But clueless or not it was HIS call and it was one of the major disasters for Britain in the interwar period and one of if not the major step that doomed Britain to lose its great power status
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>>18532012
Anon, are you aware that governments have borrowed from private and public banks to fund wars since before the middle ages? How do you think Germany funded their "miracle"? Except they imprisoned a lot of their debtors so I guess it's on par with their institutionalized niggerism.
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Churchill was a titan who singlehandedly saved the British Empire. There's no one who comes close to him in stature
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>>18534091
>Churchill was a titan who singlehandedly saved the British Empire. There's no one who comes close to him in stature

More like Titanic.
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>>18534091
>Churchill was a titan who singlehandedly saved the British Empire
If he saved it why did it crumble the second Attlee and Eden took charge?

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>anyone older than 30 hitting on a 20 something girl
>that one zoomer: hahaha, no cap, fr, you a mega creep unc

What causes this type of behavior?
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>>18533694
>modern people have much more freedom to speak out against people they don't like more than in the past.
Not at all, modern people can have protestors on their lawn and cops knocking on their door within the hour of posting something people don't like, its much harder to maintain anonymity than in the past, people used to anonymously distribute pamphlets and magazines and newspapers to say the most vile things under pseudonyms because there weren't a bunch of databases and ring cameras and ways to digitally track supply chains and IPs to track those people down.
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>>18533675
>basically indoctrinated from a young age to accept the fact that everything they say and do will be documented and used agains them in the future
It's this. We're all living in the panopticon now, but zoomers are subject to a society-wide experiment wherein their entire generation has been born and raised inside the panopticon. The results are in: They are oversocialized to a degree that might have even shocked Uncle Ted. Needless to say that their condition only further contributes to the spread of mental illness and fertility collapse.
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>>18534050
>oversocialized
I'm going to act like a nogger and you're going to be greatful for it.
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>>18533582
it's an american thing not a zoomer thing, nobody in the rest of the world cares if a 30 year old fucks an 20 year old, or if a 19 year old fucks a 17 year old.
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>>18534127
>nobody in the rest of the world cares if a 30 year old fucks a 10 year old, or if a 19 year old fucks a 7 year old.
fixed

He literally saved White Christian America from hordes of yellow-skinned slant-eyed devil worshipping Japanese orcs
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>>18533971
Nice try OP, but I don't think a guy that couldn't stand up for himself was ever capable of saving anyone else.
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>>18533996
Why is Baruch so handsome here? I thought that this was supposed to be an antisemitic comic.
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Finally a thread which understands the Allied Powers were saving the European race from the squint-eyed oriental menace
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>>18533996
Man, that’s wholesome.
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My hottest take is that FDR is extremely overrated when it comes to foreign policy and crediting him for creating the postwar order is retarded when Truman and Marshall were the ones who actually created all of its infrstructure and rules. The Marshall Plan, NATO, and the very concept of a Western alliance and global order were all realized by them and years of extremely difficult work.

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Have you prayed to Athena recently?
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>>18534121
I don't pray to women
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>>18534121
No, I'm not enough of a stupid incel to dig up ancient gods and pretend to believe in them.
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>>18534132
>ancient
Athena worship never stopped.

What event will future historians consider as the moment the American Empire's decline became terminal?
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>>18533591
The real median purchasing power in Japan is embarrassing for a developed country and has fallen to levels comparable to Eastern Europe.
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>>18532957
That increase in compensation is solely because health insurance exploded in cost due to rampant patent abuse by pharmaceutical companies.
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>>18532686
>muh shiny rocks!
Gold is worth more in industry than it is sitting in a warehouse. This is why the Gold Standard ended. This has been talked about to death already. Retards like you actually want to return to a currency backed by a commodity you're encouraged not to use and is in limited supply that doesn't scale with the size of the economy because you're obsessed with shiny fucking rocks like some mentally damaged autistic "human". Un fucking real people like you actually exist
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>>18532475
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>>18532475
Short answer: Republicans

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Did any Nazis ever think "maybe I should check if my retarded beliefs are true before killing millions of people"
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>>18533478
Stop reading /pol/ infographics and actually engage with history.
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>>18532821
They did and their beliefs were true.
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>>18534102
Boogeyman. /pol/ is right about Weimar.
t. Historian
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>>18534109
I fucked this guy's mom
T. His father
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poltards think weimar germany was left wing

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For a religion building on Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism, and placing a lot of emphasis on literalism and textual analysis, it feels a lot more primitive and unrefined, nothing like the transcendence and sublime spirituality of its predecessors.
Just as an example, its afterlife is a carnal paradise of sex, food and material pleasure. No theosis, no reunification of the immortal soul with the Creator, just crude gifts you could hype up some pagans with.
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>>18533638
Ibn Khaldun was a pretty cool guy and I say that as a certified Islamophobe

>Ibn Khaldun argued that any dynasty (or civilization) has within itself the seeds of its own downfall. He explains that ruling houses tend to emerge on the peripheries of existing empires and use the much stronger asabiyya present in their areas to their advantage, in order to bring about a change in leadership. This implies that the new rulers are at first considered 'barbarians' in comparison to the previous ones. As they establish themselves at the center of their empire, they become increasingly lax, less coordinated, disciplined and watchful, and more concerned with maintaining their new power and lifestyle. Their asabiyya dissolves into factionalism and individualism, diminishing their capacity as a political unit. Conditions are thus created wherein a new dynasty can emerge at the periphery of their control, grow strong, and effect a change in leadership, continuing the cycle. Ibn Khaldun also further states in the Muqaddimah that "dynasties have a natural life span like individuals", and that no dynasty generally lasts beyond three generations of about 40 years each.
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>>18533605
>building on Judaism, Christianity and Zoroastrianism
It's not that much of a descendant from them, like yeah Muhammad threw in some of it because why not, but it was largely just patching together the remainders of Semitic/Arabic mythology that wasn't Jewish or Christian to scoop up the leftovers, lots of people who were vaguely "Abrahamic" that he decided to unite.
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>>18533637
>You can get what you enjoy, when you don’t want it
Why is he like this:(
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>>18533627
>be Muslim
>into watersports
>your Allah given maidens in Jannah don't piss
>you fought in jihad for nothing
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>>18533605
Because the Muʿtazilites lost and the bug brained Hadith fanatics won. They don't want to think, they just want to be told.


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