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VIRGIN EURO HISTORY:>king jewie the billionth disagreed with pope kiddiefucker the tenth on whether jesus was transgod or cisgod>gorillions died, gorillions blacks enslavedCHAD CHINESE HISTORY:>THE VILLAIN DONG DONG KIDNAPS EMPEROR HAN KEK DI AND BULLIES THE REALM>IMPERIAL UNCLE FU KEYU (60 YEARS OLD) MARRIES THE PRINCE OF PU, XI'S YOUNGER SISTER (17 YEARS OLD) AND FORMS THE FUK-PU ALLIANCE IN ORDER TO OVERTHROW THE VILLAIN DONG DONG>DONG DONG INVADES PU XI'S TERRITORY BUT MOST OF HIS ARMY HIS DESTROYED IN THE BATTLE OF NING'ER>DONG DONG DIES, HIS SON DONG LONG USURPS THE HAN AND DECLARES HIMSELF EMPEROR OF DONG>PU XI ACCIDENTALLY KILLS FU KEYU'S BROTHER, FU KEMI>FU KEYU DECLARES HIMSELF EMPEROR AND VOWS TO DESTROY PU XI AND AVENGE HIS BROTHER>ALL MILLION OF HIS TROOPS DIE IN THE BATTLE OF AO QI, FU KEYU DIES SHORTLY AFTER>PU XI DECLARES HIMSELF EMPEROR, DIES SHORTLY AFTER>DONG LONG'S VASSAL, NIGE JIU, USURPS DONG LONG'S THRONE AND BECOMES THE NEW EMPEROR AND UNIFIES THE REALMComment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>16555386The Chinese are weird man. They genuinely had a lot going for them and tons of really cool technologies that would have made agricultural work fucking easy but it just never spread or never improved. I know some of their cultural mindset is "its good enough, it'll do" but still.>>16555402Mail was pretty much the most common armor in Europe lol.
>>16552500>blocks your path with chariot>speaks unpronounceable language>enslaves you, forces you to build palace, and sacrifices you in a creative and painful way >the creative and painful way you are sacrificed in is determined by how a bone cracks in the firenuthin personnel, kid
Their armor aesthetics were pretty kino.
>>16555444Old Chinese had no tones and so was easier to pronounce (and likely much better sounding) than modern Chinese.
>>16555453Those armor designs was stolen from Tocharians
Is it just a meme myth that all medieval peasants had shitty lives?
>>16551855Define shittyThe average human today is basically a drone with no true soul. They exist and are viewed by their governments as a cog in the system. They work, spend money, fuck, produce kids and die. That's it. You know who I'm talking about. People without a shred of introspection who's only thoughts concern work and how they're gonna get drunk on the weekend.
>>16553396Common law was from the Royal courts. Unfree people couldn’t use Royal courts. Therefore they couldn’t access common law.
>>16551855No, why do you think people did anything they could to escape peasant life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGq49ONdz3QIs she happy? I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.
>>16553814No ruler ever had it easy. Your life is easy because you have no responsibility. As far as luxuries go, they had much better.
Denying an ancient/medieval historical figure you dislike because there's a "lack of sources" or something just makes no sense to me. I don't like Islam, I actually hate it. I still believe Muhammad existed though and that he was a terrible human being.
>>16555473>>16555475You can't claim that something didn't happen because there isn't enough evidence. You can only present counter-evidence that contradicts the original claims.
>>16555475There were indisputably Christians in Rome in the time of Nero.
>>16555488claiming that there's no reason to think something really happened is not the same thing as claiming it didn't happen. the first preposition leaves room for it to be true if there's evidence eventually, the second doesn't.
>>16555488>You can't claim that something didn't happen because there isn't enough evidence.No, but you can't claim that it happened for the same reason. That's a non-starter.>You can only present counter-evidence that contradicts the original claims.Actually, all I have to do is argue against what evidence you bring to the table. You're the one asserting a historical Jesus existed.>>16555489If you're referring to the Neronian persecution because of the fires, that's far from indisputable. But yes, Christians existed in the 1st century. This has little impact on Jesus existing as a historical person.
>>16555231He was a great guy though. He was known to be trustworthy and nice. He could have killed all his opponents after taking Mecca but he gave them mercy instead despite them mistreating him and his followers for more than a decade.
Call me a Gnostic or not, but the more you look into all of the horrible and senseless misery and cruelty of this world, all of the agonies and tortures, the mutilation and sadism, with all of the slaughter and rape, children being abused and soldiers torn apart by drones, you will find the figure of Jesus Christ. And he is not the cause for all of this horror, it is the direct opposite.
>>16555458>On what grounds?People that hated him acknowledging his existence not long after his death. His life story fitting in with the demographics of the area at the time.Everything makes logical sense.I'm not religious at all but honestly there is more evidence of him existing than many other historical figures that definitely existed.With Jesus it's more the case of many small details that complement each other.
>>16555076hot take but i dont think random mercenary armies raping and pillaging and the leaders who hired them where indulging in anything but their own personal secular interests
>>16555477>People that hated him acknowledging his existence not long after his death.Such as? >His life story fitting in with the demographics of the area at the time.Well yes, Jesus resembles the people who invented him.>I'm not religious at all but honestly there is more evidence of him existing than many other historical figures that definitely existed.The exact same kind of evidence that supports the real existence of John Frum, Tom Navy, and Ned Ludd is the kind of evidence that exists for Jesus. The first indisputable Christian texts are the epistles of Paul, and those come A) after he allegedly died and B) are highly mythic texts that mention nothing about an earthly life of Jesus and in fact refute it's existence.
>>16555486>hot take but i dont think random mercenary armies raping and pillaging and the leaders who hired them where indulging in anything but their own personal secular interestsIt was literally a religious conflict between Catholics and Protestants lol.No different From the Israelites killing all the Midianites in Numbers 31.
>>16555487>Such as?The Jewish tradition surrounding Jesus is the best example.Jesus even quotes the Talmud before it was even written down.>>16555487>Well yes, Jesus resembles the people who invented him.Well no, he doesn't. You've already forgotten that the teachings of Jesus were written down long after his death. So the fact that his description fits in with the demographics of HIS era over a hundred years prior points to him being a historical figure. On the other hand Joseph Smith's claim about native Americans being the descendants of the Israelites is just complete bullshit pulled out of thin air.
>elected by the people for the people three times in a rowHe really does not get enough credit.
Jackson's death was believed to be precipitated by his meeting with James Polk in early 1845 when the president-elect made it clear that he was his own man and wasn't going to simply obey Jackson's orders.
>>16553049I read that he hated it because he said it made him look like a monkey.
>The former president was not happy about the election of William Henry Harrison as he took the latter to be a closeted Federalist and the Whigs to simply be the Federalists resurrected, a belief not helped by how Harrison adopted the black cockade, a traditional Federalist image, as his symbol, and the fact that he had been old enough to vote back when the Federalists were relevant as a party.>In this Jackson was a bit mistaken; although it was true that the Whig Party encompassed most former Federalists, it also contained numerous dissident Democrats who broke with him for a variety of reasons. The aging Jackson in some ways was becoming disconnected from the changing times; his war against centralized banking overlooked its necessity to a stable economy and he did not fully appreciate that the West by the 1840s was no longer the frontier society of his youth, it was becoming urbanized and industrialized.
>>16553481The hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now.
>>16554022>>16553481>becoming urbanized le goodIt's hard to accept, but the barbarians were right it seems.
Why do Anglxs believe that they saved europe during WWII? The claim is already ridiculous for the first war, but wasn't Britain's performance during WWII a massive trainwreck?
>>16555366I will take over this shitty thread to sperg about the French war plans and how they've almost worked, and by proxy how all the projections etc. are bs.The rough French plan since the late 1920's is as follows: the war starts, hopefully in the east, they mobilise and the Germans start activity in the west from attacking Belgium, maybe also Netherlands. The motorized infantry races to partially prepared fortifications in Belgium(Belgians became reluctant to do it as the time progressed so they weren't that well prepared) while the most modern parts of cavalry help the Belgians to fight delaying action. The less modern cavalry troops and some of the motorised infantry is kept in reserve in case the Germans attack through Ardennes and reinforcements of that line are needed.In 1939 the plan was modified. Captured German invasion plans showed that the Germans planned exactly that, plus they wanted to push through the Netherlands. This, in conjunction with newly formed DCRs(armoured reserve divisions) prompted Gamelin to move the motorized reserve to relink with the Dutch.Meanwhile in Germany, Hitler was having hard time convincing his time that a change of plans is needed. Even before the capture of the German war plans, he was supporting a strike through Ardennes, but the officer corps was not that convinced. It was seen as risky and having a higher chance of ending with a stalemate that the French wanted(they didn't expect total victory). Eventually Hitler had his way.If you know the basic history of the campaign, you know that the French almost contained the Germans at Sedan but once the latter broke through they didn't have enough mobile units to check their advance. This means that the victorious campaign of 1940 wages on 2 factors - an airplane accident that led to the Belgians getting the invasion plans and Hitler managing to convince the generals to do as he wanted. In real history the incompetence is much more rare to find as you see.
>>16555399Their leaders are the same
>>16555366Because without the British Empire, Europe would have been speaking German.The Germans and the Soviets would have eventually quite fighting, and Germany would have left with its tail between its legs. Would the USA have even cared to pick up the pieces, if it wasn't for the British holding the line?
>>16555366Very relevant:> Do British Veterans Regret Fighting World War 2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4W61ZKj4I4In short, a fucking lot. Skip to 51:15 for summary.
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I never really thought of it but isn't it weird how pretty much every single society has always treated women as lesser?Is upper body strength really that important that it made men the dominant gender for thousands of years?Just seems kind of nonsensical desu.
>>16555388Men are literally superior at everything except childrearing. Women might have a slight advantage in some socially-orientated skills like reading emotions.
>>16555435Define raising children.I will rely on the strict sense of his argument;Without the paternal male presence in a family, the child becomes a basically spoiled and limitless person, when he does not become a disgusting effeminate, he can become a criminal. Are the children of single mothers that we see evidence of the supposed superiority of women in raising children? You see how the world is today, a lot of it is due to the fact that they are raised by women, a symptom of our feminine world.and about reading emotions, I must assume this is correct, I don't see how this could be wrong, men have abstract thinking.I assume this is a bonus of the surprising female manipulation capacity (as bad as it is) I have a theory that this is the reason for the high number of female psychologists. Not that they're all good, honestly, most of them are feminist memes.
>>16555435What do you mean by social orientation? I don't understand who created this argument, honestly. I think that if men were so inferior to women in this matter, they did not literally create the civilization (or pre-civilizational) social norms that we find in history, I mean, it was men who unite tribes and groups for a greater good, be it WHG level or EEF. but women are incredible beings and better at everything else, they are beautiful and neotonin is evidence of that. I love women it's surreal.>>16555483Ok?
>>16555491why "ok"? I didn't understand.although your last paragraphs are a bit matriarchal, the rest is partially correct, yes. I love women but I know how they are and how dangerous it is to treat them like Princesses and give them rights and consideration beyond what is necessary and essential... I met my girlfriend a year ago, I am very much in love with her.
>>16555495>>16555491Do you know what's sad? Not all men who gave women rights in society were simple progressives, many were like you two, clear but softened and relative thoughts in relation to any subject involving women. as if it were emotional blindness.women are naturally emotional, BUT when it involves any subject about the feminine, especially with regards to relationships, men become as emotional or even more so than women. following my line of reasoning;One of the guys who gave direct messages to them knew what women are like, but his mind makes it gradually softened and assimilated with simple emotions. It's sad to say, but even the most misogynistic ones can be partially "controlled" or assimilated by women.....we lose our reason when it comes to women.
Would Kurdistan exist without the genocide of Armenians?
>>16552756>>16552953>fighting for independence means displacing small arab villages!!>lie>get away with it and play victimso this is the semite way, interesting
>>16552198>kurds moved into empty land
>>16553963what lie?im talking about modern kurds and their actions in service to the US and Israeli governments https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/10/syria-us-allys-razing-of-villages-amounts-to-war-crimes/
>>16553979Kurds literally claim to be Medes who overthrew the Assyrian empire
>>16553983I hope you arent trying to white wash Turks with this though. And what are arabs doing so far out of Nabatea btw?
>the universe came out of nothing>we're evolved from ape like creatures and androgynous fish>talking donkies and snakes? aren't you tired listening to silly skyfairy myths?the independent freethinker ladies and gentlemen.
>>16554453Atheists think they can speak and they are monkeys. Good enough?
>>16554468noalso a primate is not a "monkey"where are the talking donkeys?
>>16554470>"Primates are the members of a diverse order of mammals. They are divided into the strepsirrhines, which include the lemurs, galagos, and lorisids, and the haplorhines, which include the tarsiers and the simians (monkeys and apes)."You're wrong my simian wife. We also have parrots amongst their ranks, all they do is preach word for word from the pic rel gospel of Dawkins. Pigs as well, so we can see there are plenty of talking animals in the atheistic faith.
>>16554495Pigs don't talk. Parrots don't seem to be capable of independent speech and mimicry.There are no talking donkeys. The Bible is a collection of myths.
>>16555275Why do you deny that atheists are a bunch of talking monkeys? This is one of the tenets of Atheism!
China will collapse soon
>>16551327One day the three gorges dam will break, the Yangtze will flood, and the Mao dynasty will have lost the mandate of heaven. And the kingdom will fall, until another rises.
>>16555348Will we see the rise of the cyber-Yang dynasty, anon?
>>16555060>>16555095hmm yea it's already at 18% and 25% this yearit's gonna take like 5 years to move everything
>>16555362See >>16555225China is letting them leave. They can't do cheap manufacturing anymore when the average person is making middle income. In the China 2030 plan, they aimed a diversification of the manufacturing sector to other industries like domestic tech and services, a drop from 85% to around 50%. They were planning this shit before Trump soured relations with China.
Changs's problem is that there are way too many of them. They should have been first world the their growth rate and the number for Fortune 500 companies.Instead it's just the first-tier cities and everyone else
"Why Do We Oppose the Jew?" by Dr. Joseph Geobbelshttps://files.catbox.moe/c4wpo7.mp4Did he have a point?
>>16555105They had pools, live performances, their own camp currencies, hospitals, delousing chambers, etc. Labor camps usually make an effort to keep their laborers alive unless they have their resources dwindled to nothing because they're losing a war. In any case, the so-called holocaust was only in response to the November Revolution that the jews orchestrated and the Wiemar Republic that they profited from. Call it divine karma.
>>16555198All nations have propaganda ministries. The Germans were just honest about it.
>>16555482>All nations have propaganda ministriesYes, and I have no desire to listen to the brainwashing drivel produced by any of them. Whether it be the US, UK, China, Japan, Russia, Israel, or Third Reich Germany.
>>16555198>>16555498>No idea that requires propaganda to survive, is one that deserves to thrive.The newspeak terms for "propaganda" are "marketing" and "advertising" btw. You need it to survive.
>>16555502Project harder. I don't watch television shows, youtube, listen to the radio or read the news. I use network-wide ad-blocking at home, and more granular filtering on any device in my possession. You might need people shilling ideas or products at you to survive, but I certainly do not.
What modern European group are Scythians most related to?Also does anybody have that art of a tocharian/Scythian man surrounded by his harem of Asian girls? Thanks, I think it came from Twitter artist or something
Russian Tatars.
>>16553667>which Europeans are these Indo-Iranians related toUnironically the gypsies. They are the only Aryan (i.e. Indo-Iranian) group in Europe. I assume you mean linguistically related because that actually matters. Culturally and ethnically I would guess there's some overlap with very early Slavs, but probably more so with (Cauc)Asian Indo-Europeans like Armenians and Tocharians.
>>16555465forgot pic
>>16553667>>16553813>What modern European group are Scythians most related to?Probably Poland as well.
>>16555468HELL THE FUCK YEAHHHHHHHHHTHAT'S FUCKING AWESOME BROHOLY FUCKING SHITLOOK AT THOSE MOTHERFUCKERSZERO FUCKING FEARYOU KNOW THEY FUCKING BALLING YOU JUST KNOW THAT SHIT BIG MAN
Whats the history of trickle down economics?
>>16555212weird leftist strawman that emerged somewhere around the time of Reagan's supply-side economics
Has extremely reduced global inequality.
>>16555212Trickle-up economics is what's actually real. Poor people spend their money, thereby reinvesting it into the greater economy. Rich people just hoard. That's why wealth redistribution always has the same result.
>>16555212One day, Laffer drew a graph on a napkin in order to illustrate that a tax increase or cut does not necessarily result in a 1:1 gain or loss in revenue. Everyone has been aggressively shitting their pants and screeching over this development ever since.
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>>16554785so what you're saying is that it was british self defence to invade norway and therefore it would have been completely justified for them to do so?
>>16554752exactly Seems like kikes have been carrying these good for nothing cumskins for thousands of years
>>16554803the british were trying to drag every country they could into the war germany was doing the opposite nonjews dont grasp the lengths jews were willing to go to destroy germany they didnt care if half the world was in shambles
>>16554823you mean the war the germans started by allying with the ussr and dividing central and eastern europe into spheres of influence? what did latvia have to do with world jewry?
>>16554823>The Germans invading Norway for X reason is self defence>The Brits Invading Norway for X is imperialismYour brain on lost cause nazi propaganda
