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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

For the purpose of determining what is history, please do not start threads about events taking place less than 25 years ago. Historical discussions should be focused on past events, and not their contemporary consequences. Discussion of modern politics, current events, popular culture, or other non-historical topics should be posted elsewhere. General discussions about international culture should go on /int/.

/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

When discussing history, please reference credible source material, and provide as much supporting information as possible in your posts.

He defeated you before your great grandparents were even born!
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>>18568810
he thought my grandparents were monkeys, what a lunatic
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73 generations ago my ancestors were kings and would have killed his ass for suggesting we were monkeys. If we were monkeys then how come they still monkeys around huh?
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>>18568843
>>18568877
You're both retarded
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>>18568884
Your stupid if you think things can just evolve like fucking pokemon. dumb idiot.
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>>18568895
Evolution is not "things evolving like pokemon". That's not how it works. You're genuinely retarded.

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Besides Boudicca, what historical female warriors 100% definitely went onto a battlefield and stabbed or shot enemy soldiers? Not "commanded soldiers" or anything like that, physically went onto it themselves, and not as a last resort thing when their city was about to be sacked.
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>>18568689
no one would waste a good chariot like that in wartime, anon
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>>18568486
There was Nadezhda Durova, who fought for Russia in Napoleonic wars. At first she disguised herself as a man, then she was discovered but allowed to stay in the army. She was also a proto-tranny, calling herself by a male name and wearing man's clothes even after being discovered. The Tsar allowed her to legally change her name, and even her Wikipedia article now uses her male name and pronouns, lmao

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Aleksandr_Aleksandrov
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>>18568486
>Boudicca
>stabbed

lol, by BRC
a bloodthirsty tard thot who led her own tards into their own mass slaughter, a peak dark comedy

>>18568497
>a rectum hurt thot
>any decent tactic or stratetegy

one can't have both
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Constance Markievicz was an Irish revolutionary who definitely got her hands dirty. She was also technically the first woman ever elected as an MP to the House of Commons in the UK, but of course she refused to take her seat and instead was part of the new revolutionary government in Dublin.

She not only took part in the 1916 easter rising but also either founded or was a founding member of several paramilitary groups; the Irish Citizen Army (socialists), Cumann na mBan (women's IRA) and Fianna Éireann (Irish nationalist youth group). She was a firm believer in ditching shitty debate clubs when the time had come to actually fight, and one of her famous quotes about Irish women was:
>"Dress suitably in short skirts and strong boots, leave your jewels in the bank and buy a revolver."
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No need. In the universal narrative only the male are living.

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So /his/, how old were you when you grew out of the Race/IQ meme?
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>>18567706
Explain why allegedly Semitic mutts surpassed pure whites at the time?
>>18567711
Nice and on par with Nubian items :)
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>>18567716
>>18567711
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>>18567736
all beautiful. but on par with non-white works. Humans are all talented :)
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>>18567764
beautiful but no less impressive than Kerma :)
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>>18566906
biodiversity, genetics, and natural selection prove that races are not real and melanin level in your skin is not related to the inteligence
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>>18566804
>The bottom image is not "North Europe 1500 years ago" in general. It is a reconstruction of one type of rural settlement—typically an early medieval or Iron Age village. Even in northern Europe around 500 CE, there were:
>Large towns and trading centers.
Fortified settlements.
>Stone churches (especially in areas that had been part of the Roman Empire or were becoming Christian).
>Sophisticated metalworking and shipbuilding (for example, Scandinavia would soon produce the famous Viking ships).
>Complex kingdoms such as those of the Franks, Anglo-Saxons, and others.
>Most ordinary Europeans did live in wooden or thatched houses because wood was abundant, not because they lacked the ability to build in stone. Stone construction was generally reserved for churches, fortifications, bridges, and elite buildings.
>The comparison is also unfair because...
The Aksum stelae were monumental royal monuments, built by a wealthy state over generations.
>The European image shows ordinary peasant homes.
>A fair comparison would be:
Aksum's monuments vs. contemporary European palaces, churches, or fortifications.
>Ethiopian villages vs. European villages.

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>Emperor Jing of Han begat King Jing of Zhongshan Liu Sheng begat Marquis of Luancheng Liu Zhen begat Marquis of Pei Liu Ang begat Marquis of Zhang Liu Lu begat Marquis of Yishui Liu Lian begat Marquis of Qinyang Liu Ying begat Marquis of Anguo Liu Jian begat Marquis of Guangling Liu Ai begat Marquis of Jiaoshui Liu Xian begat Marquis of Zuyi Liu Shu begat Marquis of Qiyang Liu Yi begat Marquis of Yuanze Liu Bi begat Marquis of Yingchuan Liu Da begat Marquis of Fengling Liu Buyi begat Marquis of Jichuan Liu Hui begat Magistrate of Fan County, Dong Commandery, Liu Xiong, begat Liu Hong, without office, begat Liu Bei.
What legitimacy does Sun Quan or Cao Cao have?
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>>18568230
This isn't /x/, Jinkike
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>>18568404
Seething caofag
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>>18568223
No one cares about Changs
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>>18568546
This. We could have had an Indian philosophy thread instead of this chinkshit fakecrap
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>>18568546
You don't care because you probably never seriously delved into it. I personally find european history more interesting as well, but east asian history has been a close second for almost a decade by now. China's Three Kingdoms, Spring and Autumn, Warring States, early Tang, early Ming and Japan's Heian Period, Sengoku Jidai and Taisho era in particular are among my favorites and I can't help but think that many /his/torians would enjoy them as well if they weren't closeminded.
>>18568626
How's the weather in New Delhi?

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What common (or uncommon) myths or misconceptions trigger your 'tism particularly badly?

For me it's become the entire early history of the AR-15. 90% of people buy into a history of it's existence thats entirely bullshit, not helped by the fact it became a central point in gun politics for both sides
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>>18566834
>the ARs buffer system was overengineered shit
Lol wut
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It’s an old as fuck and basic pet peeve, but I really hate how much people who get their WWII knowledge from popular culture fellate German tanks.

I’m also not going to be the annoying guy who overcorrects too much in the other direction and starts calling all German designs shit, but it’s still so fucking tiresome to hear about it. Although I think that unconsciously adaptes wehrabooism is now a dying phenomenon anyways now that WWII is becoming a less commonly used setting for movies and games.
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>all these fucking retards arguing about meheecans
Let's talk about some actual misconceptions in history, like the idea that Italy was useless in WWII. It's true that their military campaign didn't amount to much, but their special ops people were top-notch, as shown by the raid on Alexandria; they did more against the British Navy in a night than Germany had done in 2 years. Their special ops guys were dramatically underutilized because most people back then didn't understand how important they were. Italy could literally have changed the outcome of the war if they had decided to send covert ops people to hit Panama Canal.

If Italy had blown the gates at Panama in 1943 or so with a commando team, all those fancy-schmancy new carriers ameriwankers love to jack themselves off to suddenly have to go around South America to get to the Pacific theater, exposing them to German subs and giving Japan more time to establish their defenses. And if Japan had succeeded in taking out America's carriers, fuel tanks and repair bays at Pearl Harbor on top of that, America's entry into the Pacific theater would have been delayed by 3-4 years, and Japan would have every fucking island in the Pacific bristling with defenses by then, along with more pilots, planes and ships. All this for just a few commandos and maybe a single freighter full of bombs steered to exactly the right point in the canal.

The Axis still wouldn't have been able to actually win, but Japan could have gotten a conditional surrender instead of being occupied and turned into an American colony. But sadly nobody appreciates Italy. They didn't then and they don't now, and because of that we live in globohomo tradcuck feminist shitworld. Wehraboos can whack it to daddy Hitler all they want, it's the pastas that the war really depended on.
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>>18568887
Posting again in an attempt to snipe quads, let me know how I did.
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>>18568890
Fuck. But I guess it's appropriate for something that could have changed the outcome of the war but didn't happen. On another timeline I made a post very similar to this talking about how fortunate it is that Italy did this because otherwise America would spread feminism to every country, but the combined might of sushi and lasagna saved the world, and that post got quads. And everyone clapped.

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How the fuck did France fumble this?
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>>18566557
>too poor to build that defensive line from the channel to the med

The issue was the Belgians. The original plan for the Maginot Line was to cover the entire western border of France but this meant the Belgians would be essentially thrown to the German wolves in the event of a war, so they cried and said they'd literally ally with the Germans if that happened.

France was forced to minimize the Maginot Line along the Belgian border and promise to move into Belgium to defend them, which allowed the Germans to carry out a left hook and get behind the French (and British) forces.
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>>18566524
The French Republic and its addiction to failure. When Germany hit it with everything it got, no surprise it folded. Total shitshow political system bleeds into everything else, even to this day with its empowered executive.
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>>18567365
The communists were actively sabotaging the entire war effort, since Stalin asked them to agitate against it in line with the Molotov Ribbentrop pact goals. The French socialists even coined the phrase “Why die for Danzig.” The entire farce is why the French resistance was far more disorganized than it should have been, since its most active ideological participants only started doing so upon Soviet orders in 1941.
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>>18567293
>>18567279
Poles started the war.
http://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxULD-70y8HKBIwMsvYe__JF9gGE5mheHf
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>>18568578
Why not compromise and extend the line through Belgium

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Why was the USSR so shit at maintaining its economy ? I’m not asking for vague information about why socialism always collapses, I want to understand in detail what made it incapable of providing with basic goods despite apparent successes (e.g. the space race).

And furthermore, to finally settle it, was it socialist or capitalist ? Why or why not
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>>18568019
your reading of the post is retarded
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>>18568538
>pls give us partial credit!!
lel, how pathetic
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>>18566865
Glowie made that pic
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>>18566751
>Its a complicated subject but basically it came down to corruption at every level.
it's not complicated at all: they were underdeveloped economically and civilisationally and the 'great leaps' commies love boasting about didn't fix this underlying problems
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>>18568632
>How the do liberal political traditions exist in early modern Europe

it had been recognised since the Magna Carta to have some limits on the king's power

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>slay the capitalist dragon threatening the Soviet proletariat
>as reward, get politically backstabbed and then literally skull-stabbed
How could anyone see this as morally justified?
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Killing commie trash is always morally justified
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The dragon is not the bad guy. This is why Im grateful to China who still venerates the honorable dragon Varuna. Or Mitra? Well doesnt matter.

The dragon is likely the red star who welcomed the white star who is no longer seen.

After some time, people embracing the Venus cult as a replacement for the missing star has created the huge mess of confusion we live in now.

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The true Church is the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church. Unfortunately, it's region-locked and ethnic-locked, so unless you're Amharic Ethiopian, you will not make it past the pearly gates.
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>>18566772
Yup. The church my family goes to has a screen near the altar, where the liturgy is written in Ge'ez, Tigrinya, and English so everyone can follow along. Didn't realize a service done in a non-vernacular language was that rare.
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>>18568422
k i n o
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are white people welcome?
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>>18568449
You will stick out like a sore thumb as the only white person there, but as long as you're respectful and acting in good faith, and you're doing the basics (taking your shoes off in the church, sitting in the appropriate half of the gender segregated pews, kissing the bible and the cross when presented with them, etc) they'll be polite and kind to you. Massive bonus points if you make any attempt to speak some Amharic, we love white people giving us attention.
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>>18568508
Can I bang the drum

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The Jews invented heterosexuality to make more goycattle slaves for the demiurge. Join my discord, my white brothers, and we can help you free yourself from the Semitic desert demon.
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Very funny but kinda true. More like wanting to make the divinity heterosexual and in turn creating more splits and fragmentation of reality introducing the biological function of mixing and replication.

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A Spanish armada was shipwrecked at the coast of Japan and they rescued them .. one of the ship crew drunk in sake was boasting how they used missionaries to spy on locals and was able to capture and christianize Phillipines

This was sent to the shogunate and they banned christianity, purged all high officials who converted to Christianity, tortured and killed converted Christians and banned all European except Dutch

Silence is a movie that depicts that from European view

But this made sure Japan didn't become another European collony and kept their native heritage intact which the westerners lap

Much of Japanese philosophy comes from Chinese and some from Indian which lost oits way due to colonization
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>>18568399
why are latinx catholics obsessed with turning japan into a second filipinixistan

the church really won't be happy until we're all slumdogs gibbering in iberigypsy/moortuguese in a favela will they
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>>18568432
They don't.
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>Fun fact, India heavily influenced China and Japan and culturally colonized them. Buddhism is an Indian religion and an offshoot of Hinduis-ACK
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>>18568565
>why are latinx catholics obsessed with turning japan into a second filipinixistan
Because they unironically believe only Catholic countries can be prosperous, even when reality shows that secular and/or non-Catholic countries have higher living standards
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>>18568402
>buddhism is an offshoot of Hinduism
Wtf are you on? It was literally made outside of the Vedic fold and a rejection of Brahmanism

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Amun-Ra is God, not Yahweh. Yahweh is nothing more than a manifestation of Set, not the “one true God.”
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>>18566948
A pile of dirt does nothing. Do what gives the living rest from their woes! Fight for righteous world!
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>>18566948
I want to hear the boring, real history of egypt not the fun /x/ version of egypt
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>>18566957
>>18566964
>>18566977
But you are not righteous nor do you worship the actual god of gods (Amun-Ra), instead you worship Set.
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Set is a manifestation of Ra, like Osiris is of Amon.

Set and Osiris both are a version of the One True God, two stars joint but separate yet interchangeable personas.

I still cannot speak for Yahweh since I am allergic to Hebrew stuff, as it may be too feminine oriented.

As in, they are so heavily infested with Atenism, the worship of the handsy women, for me to accept it.

And no, I will not elaborate further. It was known to me since I first rejected the cult of the goddess as a child.
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Most of you actually worship Isis without realizing it. Especially if you belong to Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Isis is Aten is Atena is Artemis is Mary is Ishtar and so on.

She hides in the details of your books.

You people want to worship both the men and the woman but this gives you contradictions that end up hurting everyone.

Desist already and stop pretending to be on the side of the men.

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And we'll be right behind you.
Like we've always been.
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>>18568479
i look like this and i say this
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Christcuks upset ITT
You were subverted to worship a brown Jew and too much of a bitch to admit it.
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>>18568374
Japan is not third world. They are more or less just the west's pet yellows for the moment.
Thirdies don't normally moralize about WW2 especially on the side of the axis. They are distanced from the whole.
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>>18564932
Baruch has some serious Daddy energy DESU
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Tats going full on schizo is sad but hilarious.

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What is the skeptic / atheist explanation for Zeitoun Marian apparitions? I invite the atheists and protestants of /his/ to come here to debate this.
Hundreds of thousands of people saw Virgin Mary appear, including Atheists, Muslims and Christians. The electricity was cut off from the area and all cars were banned from the area. The Egyptian Muslim government tried to rigorously investigate the apparitions, but all attempts to find a natural cause failed. To this day, atheists and Muslims haven't been able to find a natural cause. Some have resorted to Earthquake lights (not scientifically proven). Moreover, there exist dozens of photographs from the event. While some were tempered with, most weren't, and all clearly show a female figure.

>inb4 "why didn't God give clearer signs" or "demons did it"
Please, try to bring up good arguments. I do not want to make this into a piss contest, but I want to see what you think about this.

What caused the Zeitoun apparitions? Can we arrive at a naturalistic explanation for them?
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>>18566343
lsd in the water supply
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>>18567773
NTA but no. It's doctored. See the strange way the light cuts off at the top?
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>>18566343
A wizard did it.
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>>18568710
It's not doctored, it's a real photo. Why do you lie?
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Ok, here’s my answer while disregarding the particulars of this superstition
You are a superstitious fool led to and fro by any claim of supernatural activity (though apparently not by those which occur outside of the church of Rome, curious). Scripture says that Satan disguises himself as an angel of light, and we are to test the spirits (1 John 4:1) and test prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-3). You 1. Are foolishly led astray by any spirit which you do not test by the scriptures, and as a result use this fables and apparitions to nullify the word of God 2. Play the false prophet’s role by using said fables and apparitions to argue why we should abandon the teachings of scripture in favor of idolatrous false religion which is condemned by it in the harshest terms (see Deu. 13 for what the law of God prescribes should happen to such persons)
These supposed miracles serve to distract and detract from the work of Christ, rather than directing to it. Therefore, whatever they are, they are not from God.


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