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This board is dedicated to the discussion of history and the other humanities such as philosophy, religion, law, classical artwork, archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, etc. Please use /lit/ for discussions of literature. Threads should be about specific topics, and the creation of "general" threads is discouraged.

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Post some random scandalous bits of history you've found.

From Herodotus' Histories book 2 (egypt) chapter 90, during a discussion on mummification

>Wives of notable men, and women of great beauty and reputation, are not at once given to the embalmers, but only after they have been dead for three or four days. This is done to deter the embalmers from having intercourse with the women. For it is said that one was caught having intercourse with the fresh corpse of a woman, and was denounced by his fellow-workman.
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>>2559219
>The last Sui emperor, Sui Yangdi (A.D. 581-618), took the throne after murdering his father and older brother. He had a queen, two deputy queens, 6 royal consorts, 72 concubines and 3,000 palace maidens but even that wasn't enough to satisfy him sexually. He had a particular thing for teenage virgins and reportedly used a "virgin wheelchair" to capture them. According to a palace historian after the girl was seated "clamps would automatically spring up to hold arms and spread her legs apart, while the mechanized cushion would place her body in the right position to receive the royal favor."
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>>2568132
honestly it probably wasn't worth talking about

if the narrative is children are super easy to manipulate into fucking, and there are plenty of slave girls that had no rights that you could fuck as much as you want at any age, then fucking lolis must have been as common as masturbation.
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>>2566724
Cause as her rivals those other basic bitches were the main source of every bit of stress in her life and remained threats for as long as they lived.
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>>2569112
I suppose that's true in that context, but surely there must have been one or two interesting stories similar to the ones presented itt. Any topic can make for interesting experience if given the right circumstances.

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Post your 3x3 of your favourite historical leaders.

Must be leaders, no gay philosopher shit like Nietzche >>>/&humanities/
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>>2569034
Maybe he likes Ali?
The alwaites think he is part of the triune incarnation after all
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>>2567423
I bet you only like Gaddafi because he got a bayonet up his ass, you sick gay fuck.
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>>2569128
No bully
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>>2569122
he is mexican
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>>2569135
You want some too, huh?!?!

Name one thing he did wrong. protip, you cant
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pissed off enough powerful people to get himself killed. that's a bad career move.
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>there is an alternative timeline where Huey Long is president and every man in America is a king

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Which side are you on /his/?
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>>2568627
That's actually wrong. Churchill became a Templar and him, FDR and Stalin (all Templars) cooked up World War II using Hitler as a patsy. Also Dubya and Scalia were Templars while Gore was allied with the Assassins.

I hate that shit and I hope in the "soft reboot" that's coming up it goes away because it's pretty much "every cool and awesome and socially acceptable historical figure was an Assassin and every bad one was a Templar" except for the FDR thing which was someone not controlling their inner edgelord.
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>>2568685
He's not. He's modelled after his VA Manuel Tadros who's Greek or Greek-Canadian or something.

>inb4 "hurr Greek durr white"
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>>2568876
Never even seen his video on it. It was the popular opinion of Napoleons time.
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>>2568707
The Assassins after AC2 come off like that yes plus Haytham in AC3 was really popular which caused fans to start siding more with the Templars which led to the Templars being portrayed more sympathetically and eventually a game where you play as a Templar hunting down the Assassins with the story being "they're incompetent fuck up assholes so the ex-Assassin joins the Templars to take them out".
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>>2568627
Wtf is this shit

Was Hitler really that bad as an artist?
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He was mediocre, but he lost out to far worse artists.

>Inb4 "go back to /pol/
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>>2569028
The perspective is usually the worst thing in every single painting he every did. OP's pic is actually one of the better ones.
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Well at least he's better than George W.
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>window behind the stairs
>the size of that door
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>>2569123
No, not at all lol

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When did you grow out of your byzaboo stage and realise that the Western Roman Empire was superior in every way?
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>>2569066

>superior
>collapses
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>>2569069
>it lasted longer therefore it is superior
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>>2569066
Never had it in all honesty because Byzantine history is kind of boring. WRE collapses, then it's 200 years of autistic arguing over monophysitism before they spend 800 years very slowly getting their shit pushed in by goat fucking desert barbarians and constantly calling on Western Europe to save them.

The WRE as a whole, even the final century, is more interesting to learn about.
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>>2569095
That is a really strange generalization.
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>>2569081
Yes that is typically a pretty good indicator that an empire is better than it's rivals.

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ITT: Historical Figures you could beat in a fight.
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Don't let the picture fool you. He was a manlet
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>>2568936

>manlet

>wearing high heels

when will they learn?
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>>2567740
>be probably the most physically unfit president ever
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>>2567517
You're forgetting Rasputin's most important, 13 inch feature. (And that's flaccid)

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What was the difference between the Islamic conquests of North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula and western colonization?
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>>2567954
>population full of mestizos=racist

kek
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>>2567126
Islam has been argued to be a "constinuation" civilization, after Greece and Rome. Alexandrian learning flourished within Islam, indeed Rumi, for one, was given a classical education based in the texts of Aristotle. The highest position for a Philosopher to occupy within the Islamic world was that of "second teacher", always second to Aristotle.

Islamic civilization arguably invented modern science. And much of the texts we have from the Greeks have been translated from Arabic.

A very good case could be made that the American judicial and constitutional system was inspired by Islamic Law. Thomas Jefferson had a translation of the Quran. Indeed, Locke took classes on Islamic law, which were taught at Cambridge, which itself was modeled on the Al-Azhar university in Cairo- the oldest higher learning institution in the world.
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One difference that most people get wrong is how important religious conversion was to either conquest.

In places conquered by Muslims, they typically remained minority Muslim for centuries, five centuries in Egypt and Persia, there was never a majority in Spain.

Christian conquests either prevented locals from converting, or forced it immediately. Indians couldn't convert easily in the British Empire (they'd lose inheritances if they did), meanwhile a century of direct control over Africa resulted in mass forced conversions.
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>>2567102
better looking buildings
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>>2567972
>>2567954
Esto, los sudacas sois objetivamente subnormales.
Despues de que os murierais de gripe los anglos se habrian llevado millones de negros para reemplazaros.

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Historical memeball thread
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>>2565160
>>2567412

BTW, Peron is basically worshipped. Saying something like whats in that pic is a good way to start a fist fight in any bar in Buenos Aires.
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>>2568341
You crafty fucker
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>>2569079

Well now I just have to save that image now.
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>>2566869
Now (you) should go back to /pol/
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Why is it so antagonistic?
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>>2568104
Its not at all, this mans work is not aimed at convincing other people of anything but preaching to the choir.

Notice the only people he ever portrays as happy are born again Christians. Everyone else is angry or confused.
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>>2568104

>black man scares atheists
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>>2568104
Same reason as always, vocal minority.

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How were MENA people treated in Ancient Greece and Rome?
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>>2569007
That isn't just true of the US. Why single them out?

>>2569012
*like huns
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>>2569012
Yes, just fine.

And they kept on doing it for a millennium. Couldn't have been that bad then.
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>>2562625
>you will never visit pre-islam MENA
kill me now
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>>2569023
After losing North Africa and the near East and very nearly all of Asia minor to a vastly more dynamic and hardy race, yes. Only after the theme system was formed and started to cultivate an anatolian peasantry accustomed to conflict again did they manage to strike back.
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>>2568982
Outside the fertile crescent life was pretty hard. The iranian highlands and all those deserts were no joke.

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World War II should've been named the Russo-German.
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>>2567792
If you did that then you would have to split all the little conflicts into different wars
It would be easier to just call it world war 2
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>>2567792
The Great Ideological War
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if France wasn't such a hateful little twat it would've been
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>>2567792
why?
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>>2569118
/int/ autisto-shitposting

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Who were the good guys?
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>>2568186
I'm not saying they're going to buddy-up, but even rivals like Richard and Philip II put aside their differences for the Crusade. Manuel knows that once Frederick's army enters the Balkans, he has to either fight that massive force or play diplomacy. He's obviously going to try the more peaceful card because it's in his and Frederick's best interests.
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>>2565255
>Slaughtered Jews and Christians in Jerusalem prior to First Crusade

This is some Boston 'massacre' tier propaganda.
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the question is what can we learn from all this so we dont repeat the same mistakes?
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>>2568216
kill the muslims
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>>2564830
The men of the West

Out of these guys, Who would win in a street fight?
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>>2568963
>Nigga rama gathered an army of monkey men, made a bridge to lanka and defeated a world conquering army and the Emperor of the Three Worlds in a huge battle at his Lankan capital.
M8, Don't get me wrong, I understand how powerful Rama is, I had to take some IRD classes back in school. None the less, if we base it off the respective theologies/mythologies, Jesus wins because He is literally the most powerful being that can be, the "alpha and omega."
Plus, even ignoring that, Jesus has resurrection spam, He'll be able to tank Rama's monkeymen, it'll just take a while because of the three day waiting period. And if the fight goes on long enough, He'll come back as Second Coming form Christ, where He's got infinite hosts of angels and a bunch of other stuff.
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>>2568987
> Nah, the nature of Christian dogma wouldn't allow for that.
The point is that the nature of other dogma can allow for that and from neutral point of view you can't favor one dogma over another.

The same can be said when hardcore hellenist would claim that Zeus is strongest because the christian absolutes aren't allowed by hellenism.

> I'm the most powerful thing who can do anything and nobody can ever do anything better than me
There is always can be a guy who would say that he is even stronger than that and that is just how it is or some other over the top claim like that.

There is no real need to accept such claim, but it is pretty clear that claim to be stronger than even the strongest of beings ever is more impressive, than original one.

From point of view of Christianity there is nobody stronger, but some other point of view can make use of even more radical statements.
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>>2569090
Zeus is a huge pussy and has to be shamed by his daughter Athena to do anything though.
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>>2569010
I don't think that it is fair to use monkeys or angels in 1 vs 1... it ruins the point.
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>>2568963
>rama gathered an army of monkey men, made a bridge to lanka and defeated a world conquering army and the Emperor of the Three Worlds in a huge battle at his Lankan capital.
I don't even.

That sounds like straight out of an anime.



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