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How did the Islamic world react to pagans sacking the center of the Islamic world, executing the Caliph, murdering as many as 2 million Muslims, and destroying the Abbasid Caliphate? That shit must have been surreal, like the end times had come.
>>17448870> Ibn al-Tiqtaqa's "Al-Fakhri>"The Caliphate, which had been the source of unity and strength for the Muslims, was brought to an end by the Mongol invasion. The city of Baghdad, once a beacon of knowledge and culture, was reduced to ruins, and its people suffered unimaginable horrors.">Ata-Malik Juvayni>"The Mongols and their allies entered the city and caused a massacre that spared neither the old nor the young, neither men nor women. The streets were filled with corpses, and the waters of the Tigris ran red with blood and black with the ink of the countless books thrown into the river for one year after the destruction of the city."Funnily enough, the most brutal soldiers during the sack were not the Mongols themselves but rather their christian vassals, the Georgians and the Armenians. I guess both of them were still butthurt about their own nations losing some land to the muslims over time so they chimped out when they had the chance
>>17448870The baghdadi were pagans allah punished them for apostasy
Why are the ideas of Oswald Spengler, a historian whose ideas are considered basically Alchemy or Phrenology tier by modern serious historians, so revered on /his/?
>>17448949>He stated that West is not a continuum from Antiquity, but rather it's own thing independent of it, which is a big no-no in the lukewarm minds of today's academia that belive Greece is the cradle of western civilization.It's impressive how often this point causes seething.
>>17449247Unburdened by previous exhausted forms, the western soul would have had more freedom to express itself as it saw fit rather than as it happened.
>>17449247>>17449263One way of looking at it: Neoclassicism was basically a larp, and the Pre-Raphaelites were attempting attempting a correction.
>>17449275The real Larp was the entire field of Sculpture.>>17449208Admittedly, the middle eastern/Magian culture would be vastly different had they avoided Roman conquest. So in that case you are right.
>>17449234> Goethe literally was able to discover more colors than Newton with his unique methodology.Common Goethe W
I can't "enjoy" WWII knowing the Germans and their Axis buddies were committing genocide on a continental scale. It ruins everything.
>>17449220>>17449225No, you both have very little understanding. The holocaust was a myth cooked up by Jewish financiers and British Intelligence, first as agitation propaganda against the Nazis during WW2, and then to culturally demonise criticism of Jewish Nepotism and behaviour, as well as European Nationalism. Not a single camp inspected by the red cross was a death camp, and the original Soviet death toll was inflated by 5 million figures. History is written by the victors.
>>17449241>holocaust never happenedTrue.>now be NaziNo.
>>17449174Genocided during wars is based though.>>17449241I was going to give a serious reply but then I noticed that you're another xitter screenshot poster.
>>17449256Nazis only = bad if the parameter Holocaust = true. If holocaust = false, there is no barrier to Jews = bad = true or Nazis = good
>>17449271>Nazis only = bad if the parameter Holocaust = trueWrong. If I don't care for Jews, then all of your arguments basically boil down to "Germany should be able to do what they want because...they just should!".
In language a child could understand, without using jargon or $10 words, explain in down to earth practical terms what Nietzsche advocated for and what he rejected.Explain to me, a typical day-in-the-life of a so-called follower of Nietzsche.
>>17448974What about all the wise men/scientists, professional sportsmen, writers, actors and other artists who make a living out of self-improvement? Many of them are eccentric and ignores societal norms yet people worship them.
>>17448903i dont know what he advocated, but i'll say thiswhen he wrote, "God is dead," he was not advocating atheism. he was reacting to Darwin's recent revelations about evolution.just to repeat: he was not advocating atheism.
>>174489031/2I assume you mean the more important points that people actually discuss, and not everything.Live a life without regrets, which doesn't mean that you just post-rationalize everything away, but you make damn sure that the choices you make in life are the ones that will produce good results.Morality is situational. In general, there's going to be the obvious guidelines that you'll follow, like don't lie/cheat/steal/kill/etc, but they're not universally true, and because of that you shouldn't be bound to them all the time. There might be a situation, where the correct action is lying, and in that situation, lying is the correct thing to do.Those that are able to achieve this level of moral thinking, will be better than those who are stuck with just following the "don't lie/cheat/steal/kill/etc" as universals. This person is reevaluating and redefining morality as the situation arises. It's very likely that the general "don't lie/cheat/steal/kill/etc" will be followed, but you should never be a slave to rules that will produce a worse result.I want to talk about the "God is dead" quote, since it's by far the most popular thing that he's known for, but I hit the character limit.
>>174489032/2>https://s3.amazonaws.com/saylordotorg-resources/wwwresources/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/PHIL304-4.3.2-ParableoftheMadman.pdfThis is where the "God is dead" quote comes from.He's discussing what is humanity to do, now that he sees that we're moving away from Christianity, both in belief and in culture.>How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?He's talking about the fact that with Christianity, we had rituals and a process to deal with the problems of morality, evil, etc. But now that we're moving away, what do we do now?>Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us—for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."Do we re-internalize our religious beliefs, that we'd externalized into religion?Then it ends with him saying that when he's writing, it's too soon for people to realize that the shift away from Christianity has already begun.>>17448947If someone is able to read all the slang, this is unironically a really good summary.>>17448974I'd say his main points were actualized, even if they didn't come from him.>>17449122Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>17448903He just wanted people mirin the moustache
>The US, Japanese mainland invasion (operation Downfall) would have killed more lives than the firebomings and the other bombs. I keep seeing this claim, where did it come from and how true is itAlso what territory does it countJust the main islands?Or also the outer territory they still had?And how much soilders compared to civilians ratio was there?
Every time I read about the 30 Years War it sounds absolutely horrible, like the closest humanity has come to actual Hell on Earth, but then you remember the soldiers committing all those heinous war crimes were dressed like this and it becomes impossible to take seriously
>>17448741Life in those times was nasty,brutish and short, so everyone pretended it was a big party
>>17448741>Every time I read about the 30 Years War it sounds absolutely horrible, like the closest humanity has come to actual Hell on EarthMassed famines, displacements and slaughter happened in wars prior to that as well. There is nothing new under the sun. >but then you remember the soldiers committing all those heinous war crimes were dressed like this and it becomes impossible to take seriouslyThey weren't you fucking retard. The pic you have posted shows Landsknechte during the Sack of Rome of the Italian Wars - which took place 100 years prior.
How come Lithuania was only a Grand Duchy instead of a kingdom when it was so BIG?
>>17448779Wrong, plenty of people there. Slavs are just poor and dumb so made Lithuania weaker than it'd be without them
>>17448876It was that bad huh?:(
>>17448334>>17448904Lithuanian nobles and people ruled that country.>Ostrogski>Potocki>Radziwiłł>Wiśniowiecki>Zbaraski>Thaddeus Kościuszko>the last king of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania Stanislas August Poniatowski, although his parentage was of Lesser Poland origin he was born in Lithuania and was takeing offices there
>>17448334They were losing the fight over Russian lands to Moscow at that time, sticking together with Poland was logical.
>>17448904>I'm not familiar with this country's history, why do people say they got cucked by Poland?Probably because of how much more prominent Poland was in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Lithuanian elite got Polonized while ethnic Lithuanians and Russians/Ruthenians became serfs.
Why do Catholics not consider Orthodox heretic?
>>17448406You have got to be immensely stupid or naive that you think people can’t find examples or learn of the context and evidence of the time. >You also may get as many indulgences and pardons for sins by visiting a church of your choice as if you had made a pilgrimage to Rome. Simply visit the church or churches of your choice on a day in lent or another holiday when pilgrims visit the various churches around Rome. By taking a trip to a church you will obtain as many indulgences and forgiveness of sins as if you had visited the church or churches in Rome on that same day. -indulgence administered in 1515 by Archbishop Albert of Mainz and Magdeburg.
>>17448263>there is no salvation ouside of the institution which comissions a disgusting faggot to create a mascot for the year 2025
>>17448263Most protestant baptisms are valid (literal heresy to deny this according to Council of Trent and Augustine) therefore they are ChristiansAlso EENS technically includes schimastics (Orthodox) too.Novus Ordo Catholics (most of them) are not Christians but Orthodox are? What a weird larping image made by an underage
>>17448856Yup. Indulgences can also come in the form of pilgrimages. It is often used as a punishment for ordinary people but the elderly and the sick are often just punished with being made to pray in the Church iirc.But, the point there is not to make money but to help the person repent. It is one thing to lay down your sins. It is another to fill the house with God's words
Legally, most protestants can't be accused of heresy, as they were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church.
If Jews lived in ancient China instead of Europe, would they have been kicked out 109 different times or would the Chinese have just massacred them like they usually do?
>>17448909I personally think they would have been wiped out and eaten in a decisive victory. In a lot of ways the classical jewish rebellions were like the evil dark version of the Yellow Turban rebels.
>>17448909https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_JewsSeems like they lived relatively fine>>17449096They've been in China since Tang or Song dynasty
>>17448935>>17448936You are not welcome kike
>>17448936we all know the context of germans being kicked out, and are allowed to state it openly and fault germans for itwhereas jews are meant to be historically perfect and sinless (apart from israel) and every single conflict was the other guy's fault for being literally insane with hatred or greed
>>17449096more like absent religious seethe about how they killed Jesus or tried to backstab Muhammad they're just another ethnic groupeven wound up assimilating
Is he right? Are Italians whites?>Well, then, had I been at Martinique, I should also have been on the side of the English, because above all things it is necessary to save one's life. I am for the whites, because I am white; I have no other reason, yet that is reason good enough. How was it possible to grant liberty to the Africans, to men without any kind of civilization, who did not even know what a colony meant, or that there was such a place as France?
>>17448786sicilians aren't (not generally anyway)
>>17448794>>17448786No Italians are white. It has nothing to do with Sicily.
>>17447673you're brown sanchez
>>17448145Nope
italian women are white and beautiful
"Have you no decency, sir, at last?"
>>17448951>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_N._Welch>Welch was born in Primghar, Iowa, on October 22, 1890, the seventh and youngest child of English immigrants Martha (Thyer) and William Welch.obviously dude was of English heritage and looked as Angloid as it gets
>>17448987>obviously dude was of English heritage and looked as Angloid as it getsAre you missing the massive nose, sloped forehead, recessed hairline, beady eyes and massive ears typical of kikes?
>>17448963this
>>17448900The fact that the Soviets were not to be trusted and that academics and artists were almost always pinkos were pretty well-understood facts before McCarthy had his hissy fit. He didn't find the truth that everyone missed, he yelled about a bunch of nonsense mixed with a few legitimate tips and torpedoed any chance for American anti-communism to actually be effective.
>>17448977Suck my balls jannie
Do R*mans really?
>>17448988They were not Romans, stop lying
>>17449077Even the most anti-Byzantine historians don`t deny the Romanness of the ERE until Heraclius
>>17449080And they're retards just like you. The values and culture of Rome were the opposite of those of Constantinople.YWNBAR
>>17449084By your logic the Late Western Empire isn't Roman either
>>17449239NTA but I am fine with Theodosius the great being the last Roman emperor if we are being anal about technicalities
>tries to force the global warming hoax on americans>rightfully loses I thank God daily that this retard never entered office, it would have destroyed America
>>17449155It's not a hoax. It causes Hollywood fires.
>>17449172those hills have been known to have wildfires going back thousands of years, global warming may make such fires more common but it isn't solely responsible for that
>>17449172Good
>>17449172Not the lack of funding for the fire department, the Australian jet fuel trees, the incompetent and extremely corrupt DEI hires and administration, and a bajillion other reasons, instead a meme schizo theory that's being wrong with its predictions many dozens of times
>Nazis appropriate the Swastika and Roman Salute>Nobody can do those anymore even though they are ancient
>>17448160>We have writings from Cicero, Appian, Procopius, etc describing the right hand extended gesture used as a form of greeting. It's prevalency and how exactly was done is another thing entirely, but they did use it.Bro, what are you not fucking getting.>Uh, duh Romans greeted each other with their right hand.>That means Le Epic Roman salute is realYes, we know they, on some interval, greeted each other with their right hand. We have no fucking idea how it was actually performed.So when people perform the “Roman Salute,” it’s just the fucking Nazi Salute because we don’t know what the fucking Roman Salute is. There is no “Roman Salute.” Only the Nazi salute. The “Roman Salute” could have been fingering your butthole with your right thumb and then sticking it out for the Emperor to smell. We don’t fucking know.So everyone saying>Hurr, uh, duh Roman salute is technically realAre being obtuse. It existed, but we don’t know what it is, so you can’t fucking emulate it. Might as well shove your whole fist up your asshole, jiggle your prostate until you cum, and call it “Duh Roman Salute.” Your guess is just as good as anyone else’s.
>>17448548You are really getting worked up about this aren't you
>>17448548How does a dog get diabetes were they feeding it cake?
>>17447949What about this one?
>>17448548>We have no fucking idea how it was actually performed.Just because you choose to ignore literary and pictorial evidence doesn't mean we shouldWhile we don't exactly know the context and form, we can at least say that the showing of the palm was the major defining feature of the salute, wich means that the straight arm and extended palm that fascists and nazis use was definitely not the Roman Salute.You seem clearly enraged by Anons discussing history on the history board, I'm starting to think your objective here is not to reach a conclusion about the historicity of a certain theme, but to peddle your own ideological bias.
