Generally speaking, who tends win more debates on /his/ about theism, theists or atheists? Has the internet really vindicated theism or is new atheism still a movement to be a part of? https://strawpoll.com/QrgewKmvQyp
"New Atheism" was never much of a unified thing apart from atheism in itself, so you can't say really say that it fell or didn't fall. Theists just really like having the label around so they can assert that some variety of atheism fell, died, is in terminal decline, etc. and jump for joy on its imaginary corpse. (Meanwhile actual atheism has only been increasing.)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Atheism>Dawkins writes in the introduction to the 10th anniversary edition of the book: "I don't object to the horseman label, by the way. I'm less keen on 'new atheist': it isn't clear to me how we differ from old atheists.">Thomas Zenk likewise argues that New Atheism is an umbrella term rooted in public discourse and cautions against using it uncritically as an analytical category; he also notes that the label does not necessarily correspond to the self-identification of those to whom it is applied>In the context of international politics, the principles of New Atheism establish no particular stance in and of themselves. P. Z. Myers stated that New Atheism's key proponents are "a madly disorganized mob, united only by [their] dislike of the god-thing".>Tom Flynn, editor of Free Inquiry, wrote that the only "new" thing about New Atheism was the wider publication of atheist material by big-name publishers, books that appeared on bestseller lists and were read by millions.
>>18522890>>18522893about 30% of the US are religiously unaffiliated about about two thirds of that group (so 20% of the overall population) claim it's because they don't believe in God>When asked directly why they are not religious, two-thirds of “nones” say they question a lot of religious teachings or don’t believe in God.https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2024/01/24/religious-nones-in-america-who-they-are-and-what-they-believe/Also, theism and spiritualism isn't growing among gen Z. Gen Z is the most atheistic generation ever. About one-half of Gen Z identity as atheist or agnostichttps://www.americansurveycenter.org/research/generation-z-future-of-faith/I think a lot of the theists are older people while the younger are more atheistic.Also, around the world, Christianity is the fastest dying religion. There are about 6 apostates for every convert overallhttps://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/03/26/around-the-world-many-people-are-leaving-their-childhood-religions/
>>18522910>religiously unaffiliatedThat's not the goalpost you set. In >>18522884 you specifically write " increase the rate of atheism". Religiously unaffiliated people are not overwhelmingly atheists, see picrel.>spiritualism isn't growing among gen ZSpiritualism alone is. The source you provide doesn't address it, it focuses on Christian institutions for the most part.>6 apostates for every convert overallThat is not "overall", that is the net score for the US. Worldwide, Christianity will be the number one religion for a while.
>>18518653>Literally no one on 4chan defends trannies.Are you aware that there is a board dedicated to all sorts of faggotry and sodomy?
>>18522853I mean, for the last two centuries Active Atheism existed anywhere that didn't have blasphemy laws, like the United States. They weren't popular or even very succesful, but they certainly existed.
Italian?Greek?Turk?Slav?Arab?Aryan?White niggas of Europe?Jews of Europe?Med?
>>18524875Oh nononononono look at dat, 138 Serb men have Haplogroup G found highest in Georgians and chechens. Churka root? 138 divide by 5584 is 2.5%. >>18524847Albanian Gheg with G number just 0.8%? lol remember when these Turds said we came from the Caucasus, meanwhile they have 3 times more their genes hahahahaha okay for real it’s probably Neolithic farmers but not all of it, just half or so. Still even more proof Serb retards are literal rapebabies
>>18524790https://youtu.be/Ci6Y5tEOQuQ?si=UEvjyoFltTMkZe9ZN2 arrived in romania and hungary before christ
>>18524895You retarded haplobabble won't change the fact that analbanians are brown, dirty, poor and stupid.
>>18525093Serbs are brown rape babies of Turks. Albanians are not. You can cope and seethe but the science is against your monkey ass.>>18525002Gook incursions. It’s all slant eye genes.
>>18525101>haplobabble he saysYou don’t want to know your forefathers. Serbs are literal Turkish, Anatolian and Kavkaz rape babies. Serbs are fucking mutts.
What was God doing here?
>>18516645We killed all the dinos even the ones from after the flood with pitbull like fights.God gave us the coolest shit and we ruined it.It was pretty chocking to discover that evolution is a lie made up by a fag mad at God.
>>18522018God could have made physics whatever ways he wanted to, to allow for whatever base pairs he wanted toGod is not a theory, because God equally predicts everything
>>18523972>evolution is a lieRetard
>>18524014https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew_cNONhhKI
>>18521928>They probably keep the real ones safekept for research purposes.Yeah? This isn't some kind of conspiracy or secret, the bones you see in museums are replicas. They're not trying to hide it because there literally is nothing to hide.
>Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
>>18524024>rational empathy doesn't exist>I only refrain from murdering and raping because I was given explicit instructions from my imaginary friendThanks for the insight into the religious mind. You lot should be locked up.
>>18524034>>18524024Atheist morality is just Utilitarian morality, which is pretty much the moral framework of the modern world. Religion isn't strictly required for this.
>>18524034>Invokes religion>>18524036>Invokes personal preference>>18524037>Invokes personal preference
>>18524038How is utilitarian morality evoking personal preference?
>>18524040Because utilitarianism is what a group of people arbitrarily decided is "good"
>be religious>tell people to study the Bible>actually study the bible>become an atheist in all but namewhy does this keep happening?
>>18523674Oh but its definitely how it works. If you adhere to scripture then your beliefs must reflect that, otherwise you're a retard with ulterior motives. Ever notice that only Christians will forgive you for your transgressions but you back off in the face of Islam? We could learn a thing or two from them.
>>18523726>dumbass rural peopleAs sphincter says what pal? You some kind of scarf wearing mocha drinkin vinyl collecting homosexual or something?
>>18523931What are you talking about? First of all, I tell muslims that muhammad was a false prophet and a pedophile all the timesecondly, no it isn't how it works. There are plenty of people who believed in christianity but then came to realize it isn't true. You're just retarded.
>>18523936Okay, now go to Saudi Arabia and do that. You don't have the guts.
>>18523634He was asked what his favorite Bible verse was on TV and whether or not he preferred the New or Old Testament and he couldn't give a straight or honest answer because he never actually read the Bible before that. He's a performative Christian, nothing but a conman
I'm thinking of reading this book but I'm suspecting the author might be Jewish. Wikipedia doesn't say so but it seems like je's made 6 books before who're mostly about Jews/Jewish events, which is alarming.
>>18523986>Wikipedia doesn't sayIt does though.
>>18523987shit I knew it, didn't know what bar mitzvah is and didn't bother to click, my bad
I can't stand Americans talking about history>London had disgusting sewer systems, sure they modernized them in the 1860's but some areas hadn't been updated yes so ew gross what a third world shithole!they act like 100 years is a long time, think that the whole world comes in three time periods1. ancient history-war of independence2. pre WW23. Modern eraAnd they just make shit up>yeah the stairs in this 1000 year old castle are uneven because they wanted invaders to trip overno, that's literally rear from 100's of years of people going up and down the stairsAnd they always have this weird contempt for people from 100+ years ago, boiling them down to stereotypes without agency.
>>18523974>londanistan historic revisionism even worse
>>18523977Jews invented British cuisine, plain and simple. Shan't be giving you credit for anything.
>>18523970>I can't stand AmericansThat's all you needed to say
>>18523980no wonder its fucking shit then
>>18523983Raising your rent now O'Derbyshire. How dare you insult my people's cuisine. We invented the Beatles with Brian Epstein.
Gutians were Yamnaya Anatolian invaders. It makes sense to me, they are traditionally said to have arrived in Sumer around 2400’s BCE as invaders and mercenaries and overthrew the akkadians. Before that the Anatolian Indo-European language is said to have arrived in the area around 2700 bc. Their movements eastwards from western Anatolia probably pushed the akadians from their northern homeland down south which led to Sumer being conquered by akadians.
nahh akkadians were already there.btw any onomastic proof of Gutians being IE?
In Islam, Eve is honored so much that every time we say her name, we ask God to have mercy and praise her. Islam never treated her like a devil or traitor, and she was an equal towards Adam. Islam never had the concept of an “original sin.” Islam grants high respect towards women compared to Christianity.
>>18523211>Matriarchal>Sumerian Pick one
Its just a story about how knowledge can destroy peoples good nature. So the elites must hide knowledge to safeguard their society. Nothing more than that.
>>18523211>PisslamKek. Guess in this pic which pagan is going to Jannah and will have beautiful bacha bazi boys for eternity and which one will be in hellfire for eternity.
>>18523211islam oppressed wom-ACK!
In some Hadith narrations he gets to marry her along Mary, Asiya, and Moses' sister Kulthum in Paradise. Usually, there are more mentions of Mary and Moses sister.
>Listening to Hitler speeches>Every 3rd sentence is "muh treaty of Versailles"Was it really such a big deal?It's almost all he talked about
Imagine if England had to completely give up Ireland and even hand over Scotland to the Irish with Belfast being a neutral city, but effectively under the control of the Irish. Your army is almost completely disbanded and can only do police duties. Building a navy is forbidden. And foreign soldiers from African, Asian and South American colonies occupy Northern England and put down rebellions, because the people there didn't want to pay reparations.Then a new leader comes into power and wants to save his people from being genocided by vindictive Irish and Scots, who went into overdrive and are right now currently busy expelling or killing everyone, who doesn't drop his English name, adopts a Celtic one, speaks a Celtic language and identifies himself as either Irish or Scottish.That is basically what happened to Germany under the Versailles treaty. It's absolutely insane what Germans had to endure by their cruel Slavic neighbors, who were encouraged by Western allies, because all they could think about "if it harms Germany and keeps them weak = good".
>>18523635He literally was the Karmelo Anthony of the world stage back in the 30s and 40s
>>18523815>Imagine if England had to completely give up IrelandThey did, just a few years after ww1 ended.>and even hand over Scotland to the IrishNot an honest comparison.The Poles wanted independence from Germany.The Scots did not want "independence" from England, in fact Britain is a union between the two, a union that was initiated by the Scots.>foreign soldiers from African, Asian and South American colonies occupy Northern England>Then a new leader comes into powerKek, the Ruhr occupation ended a decade before Hitler came to power. If you're going to write propaganda at least get the basic timeline straight.>and wants to save his people from being genocided by vindictive Irish and ScotsAre you making a reference to the supposed genocide of ethnic Germans in Poland?Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Did Marcus Aurelius just told me to unalive myself?
>>18522630>if>or
>>18522630https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8CPj9AkX4
>>18522630He's saying if you cannot contribute or stay rational, you should exit from proper society. There used to be a common acceptance that if you become old and feeble, you should exit society as to not be a burden on the rest of the population. IE. Go live in a forest or shack with minimal subsistence, and leave the games and wealth to the young. The opposite of what boomers did to us.
>>18522904If people could just "exit" society and live peacefully in the forest, who would stay willingly in the normalcattle prison camp? Who would serve as the pawns for powerplayer psychopaths to play games with and whom would they milk to generate wealth?
>>18522915This would have been more of an expectation of people who have power within society, not your random slave.
>The observations of Manuel, and his more inquisitive followers, have been preserved by a Byzantine historian of the times:>[The English] language bears no affinity to the idioms of the Continent: in the habits of domestic life, they are not easily distinguished from their neighbors of France: but the most singular circumstance of their manners is their disregard of conjugal honor and of female chastity. In their mutual visits, as the first act of hospitality, the guest is welcomed in the embraces of their wives and daughters: among friends they are lent and borrowed without shame; nor are the islanders offended at this strange commerce, and its inevitable consequences.
They took this from you.
>>18521908Kek, I made this macro a while ago.
>Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male child, and kill every woman that is not a virgin. But kidnap all the female children alive for yourselves.Why is YHWH so evil tho lol.
>>18523541It's not a word game. I'm asking you to justify your beliefs.
>>18523546Fuck off
>>18523549You seem to be the one playing the word game sice you want to equivocate genocide with killing a civilian during war, and then saying that it's wrong because you say so, without any justification as to why.
When Aryan beasts like John Underhill arrived in North America and carried out their just and morally correct duty by encircling Indian fortresses and burning them down and executing any Indian, man woman or child, who fled the inferno, he and other similar Aryan beasts would always cite the example of Amalek as their justification for why they were still good Christians kek.I kind of like it. As Aryan beasts, their eyes glazed over for all the stuff in the bible about slave morality and the duty of the strong and healthy to uplift the weak and sick and all men being brothers. Then they got to the one chapter about the uncompromising destruction of an unworthy race, and their eyes lit up like they got the green light: "If you would please consult this passage, you'll see my genocide of barbaric Indian freaks doesn't make me a bad Christian"The irony of course being that Amalek were Mycenaean Greeks and thus Aryan (although their blood was possibly as little as 1/10th Indo-European according to latest studies) and the Israelites were not.
>>18523415>Ok the Amelikites were basically Jeffrey Epsteining little kids, sacrificing them, and eating them. In addition to performing demonic rituals.None of this is in the Bible btw, you are basically a pagan.
Who is the first recorded dog in history?
>>18522742He still probably ate the royal sandals
>>18522743not his pharaoh's favorites
>>18522735Probably a cave painting of onehttps://musebyclios.com/art/boy-dog-cave-the-painting-from-across-time-that-changed-my-life/
>>18522787that's a cat
>>18522742RIP Abuwtiyuw. I hope he got honored by Anubis.
Pakistanis and Moroccans will do hippy crack but still attend the masjid for Friday prayers. They will buy sports cars while still observing Eid. Paki and Moroccan women plaster their faces in makeup and dance and sing while still wearing their hijabs. They have children out of wedlock but still observing every minute of Ramadan and get all their prayers in.Pakistan and Morocco have the perfect mix of western "freedoms" in a devout Islamic populace.The Iranians always tell us that Islam can't co-exist with these "freedoms" and it's one or the other. For the Iranians, it's either a complete Shi'ite theocracy or zero Islam at all. There's no in between.Considering that you keep telling us these Iranians are so high IQ it is mightily strange that they cannot seem to strike up a balance between modernism, secularism and Islam which Morocco and Pakistan have both done successfully.There are no apostates from Pakistan or Morocco but every hairy Islamophobe ranting away in the West is an Iranian.
>>18515889^This.
>>18516481That's not what secularism means.
>>18519735"overthrow of Mossadegh" is largely a leftist meme that has zero relation to what Iranians on the ground in Iran actually think or want. They think of Mossadegh as often as Americans think of Calvin Coolidge or Warren Harding today. Which is to say not at all.The reason it's a leftist meme is that this was the closest the leftists/Marxists (under the banner of the Tudeh party) ever got to gaining control of the country. The were lurking right over Mossadegh's shoulder and hoping Mossadegh would remove the biggest obstacle to communism in Iran (the monarchy) and then they could either keep Mossadegh as a puppet of the USSR or make quick work of him in a leftist style revolution once the Shah was out of the picture.So of course when those dreams were thankfully dashed the Tudeh party latched on to this event and created this myth of Mossadegh as a democratic champion (he was anything but) in order to smear and tarnish the monarchy for the next couple of decades until its fall in 1979.After the revolution the regime popularized this narrative of western meddling and the tale of Mossadegh without mentioning that they themselves (the clerics) at the time were on the Shah's side along with the west against the Tudeh communists.It's such an absurd meme for so many reasons but it has been repeated to death to the point where it endures (like the stab in the back myth popularized by the Nazis). Iranians are beyond fed up with these stupid, regurgitated narratives that have nothing to do with the Islamic Republic being used as an excuse to perpetuate the Islamic Republic.(cont)
>>18519735>>18523778Mossadegh himself was a treacherous rabble-rouser who deserves no legacy other than that of a would be dictator who deliberately destabilized the country for his own gain. He was in bed with communists whose objectives and marching orders from Moscow were not concerned with "nationalizing oil" or Iran's national interests by any means. Eisenhower's assessment of Mossadegh was that he was a corrupt conman and aspiring dictator and eventually he had seen enough. As had the Iranian military and frankly most Iranians by the time Mossadegh was dragged out by the ear.He pardoned the man who assassinated the previous prime minister and celebrated him. This is not the conduct of a champion of democracy. This is the conduct of Saddam Hussein.So too was his blatantly fraudulent referendum which passed with 99.94% in favor of dissolving the government. This was so outrageous members of his own party resigned in protest.
>>18523783>This is not the conduct of a champion of democracy. This is the conduct of Saddam Hussein.>*Pro-Saddam edit.mp4*
