Would China have been better off left as a dynasty instead of being taken over by dictatoring communists?
>>18555174this is a harsh way to do it. I think the chinese soft power and mutual success approach is the long game. China plans very long term and works towards it methodically. It makes democracy in the west look silly because we roll the dice every election and hope it turns out ok and we don't get set back too hard. Progress is luck. We should tax wealth not income, but the rich will fight hard and they control our politics. China never changes government, it's risk free. I can't help but admire some aspects of it.>>18555287the usa could be amazing, it's just been kind of ruined by corpos and extreme wealth. It's very late capitalism, end of rome kind of shit. China is immune to that too really, because if billionaires are not in the people's interest, the communist party will deal with them. And what is better than the people being the ultimate power? I must sound like a china freak but when you look into it and compare it to us, we just look like we don't take things seriously.
>Would China have been better off as an authoritarian oligarchic state instead of being taken over by an authoritarian oligarchic state?You tell me. Functionally the state of the CCP is very similar to the state of Chinese dynasties.
>>18555016I think the reason communists came to power is really because there wasn't much of an entrepeneurial business class in the first place. There was one in China but it was pretty small, not that important of a political force. The country was ruled by a combination of landed gentry not dissimilar from the slave plantation lords of the American South in the 1800s and a handful of decadent oligarchical families that made their money from banking and import-export, customs revenues, stuff like that. Those families controlled the state, it's often referred nowadays as "state capture" or "crony capitalism," but basically they were rent-seeking middlemen between sellers and foreign buyers acquiring opium or porcelain or whatever. It's a very third-world thing, a Portuguese term "comprador" was used in China for them.>>18555429I have to reign you back in because when you read about a Chinese official getting brought in for corruption, they are working to deal with it and I've heard people who are extremely cynical about the Communist Party say it is having an effect, but they're also doing it because there really is a lot of corruption. China is not "immune," it has been pretty bad. Inequality is also very high there, and aspects/sectors of their market society and economy are also more turbocharged, competitive and extreme than just about anywhere else (with both positives and negatives), and like, there's a very little to nonexistent social safety net. Also, uh, food safety. That's an issue. Scamming is a big issue. It's pretty dog-eat-dog, what's called a "low-trust" society: https://x.com/MrDikachu07/status/2066724384187007351Pretty fascinating and a huge place though. Also it's kind of relative, like look at where they used to be.
On the point about the lack of an entrepreneurial business class, my thinking about the 20th century is that it's really a story of industrial transformation. The world switched in a very rapid amount of time from a horse-drawn civilization to a horsepower one. In several countries, that historic "task" (or job or whatever, really it just needed to be done) fell to the communists because others dropped the ball, or really there just wasn't a critical mass of people who were also organized in the social-political sense to do so in a capitalist way like the industrial bourgeoisie of Britain, Germany or the United States. But basically that's what the Communist Party did in a speed-run version.
>>18555497>there really is a lot of corruptionI have heard about some of the corruption purges and I'm certainly not saying China is perfect. But they are under constant attack from western intelligence agencies, who deliberately target government officials with gambling problems or infidelity or just straight bribery and use it to blackmail them. The west is under threat from such a successful socialist country and they will never stop. So China needs to be a surveilance state, and quite authoritarian, and I have no doubt innocent government officials will get swept up by the communist party keeping everyone china first. Hopefully, if the west becomes less hostile then they can also be less authoritarian, but it still seems like the average chinese person is better off than we are having elections. I'd also say that while we think of ourselves as a high trust society, we do let people die in the street homeless and walk right past them, we aren't offended by that. We could be that homeless person tomorrow. Is that high trust? Capitalism is a rat race
We're now on the 36th day of my daily presidents threads celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA.Today we have Richard Nixon (1/9/1913 - 4/22/1994), who served as president from 1969 to his resignation pending impeachment in 1974. He is the only president to resign and the most recent president to be unable to finish his term. Prior to being president, he was a senator and representative from California. He also served in the Navy during WW2. Notable actions or events during his presidency include the Withdrawal from Vietnam, Apollo 11 and the Moon Landing as well as the End of the Apollo Program, the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Endangered Species Act, the Marine Mammal Protection Act, his 1972 Visit to China, Repealing the Draft, the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, the War on Cancer, the Philadelphia Plan, the Minority Business Enterprise, the Paris Peace Accords, the 1971 Bolivian Coup, the 1973 Chilean Coup, Operation Nickel Grass, and the Watergate Scandal.What do you think of the man with the big nose?Link to previous thread>>18544108
>>18545682According to President Nixon Israel has no strategic value. America supports it because it’s the moral thing to dohttps://youtu.be/S5evz3VAZaQAlso because of the Jewish lobbyhttps://youtu.be/LEpPk1BBFP8
>>18548147God bless this Jew.
>>18545778>peaceful demonstratorsNope. And what a coincidence that each and every one was Jewish, as if foreshadowing the Rittenhouse shooting. Or as if repeating the nuclear spy scandals, the German revolution of 18/19, and early bolshevism.
>>18553930>"If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be anti-Semitic. ... any people that has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong." - Henry Kissinger
>You know what happened to the Romans? The last six Roman emperors were fags. Neither in a public way. You know what happened to the popes? They were layin' the nuns; that's been goin' on for years, centuries. But the Catholic Church went to hell three or four centuries ago. It was homosexual, and it had to be cleaned out. That's what's happened to Britain. It happened earlier to France. Let's look at the strong societies. The Russians. Goddamn, they root 'em out. They don't let 'em around at all. I don't know what they do with them. Look at this country. You think the Russians allow dope? Homosexuality, dope, immorality, are the enemies of strong societies. That's why the Communists and left-wingers are clinging to one another. They're trying to destroy us. I know Moynihan will disagree with this, [Attorney General John] Mitchell will, and Garment will. But, goddamn, we have to stand up to this.
talians really aren't white lol i thought it was a meme
>>18554647>aren't white lolwhen did you first know you were a spiritually israeli little racist bitch OP
>>18554728>>18554725Indian Americans top that chart, guess America is the Bharat promised land.
>>18554662jews are the peak of white man evolution path
>>18555137europe had peak of whiteness in neolithic, before bronze age and yamnaya mongolids came
>>18555105I didn't say they were Germanic. Though they do have more Germanic admixture, of course. North Italians are primarily Celto-Greco-Romans with a bit of Germanic. South Italians are Greco-Near-Eastern mestizos, with a sprinkle of Roman.
Anyone on /his/ from Spain? In school in America we never learned about Franco despite spending hours on WW2 and other dictators.What do current Spaniards think of Franco? Especially younger citizens who never lived under his regime? Anyone have any insight on this?
>>18547011>economic miracle >being an American puppet state in exchange for money Pornstars and whores also have economic miracles
>>18549553And that's why they were based
>>18553934>unironic commielmao
>>18546811some spaniards love himothers hate himsimple as
>>18555456>simple as>Spaniards won both as pro-fascists (Franco) and pro-capitalist (Pujol García)
I don't understand why commies harp on about improved living standard metrics under industrializing communist regimes that arose out of backward agrarian nations when improved standards in such scenarios do not seem to be exclusive to communist regimes at all. Wikipedia sources tell me that under the Shah Iran's literacy rate tripled from 27% to 80%, the national income increased by 423 times, the Iranian armed forces became the fifth strongest military in the world, and the population more than doubled. And the Shah did this without killing fucking millions of his own countryman via some Great Leap Forward scheme. Yet commies seem to hate him.South Korea and Japan vs China are also examples that show communism is harmful to a nation's development if anything. There are few people today who would rather live in China than SK and Japland, which have far, far higher GDPs per capita and standards of living.>but the US helped themSo then capitalism is better because it allows for capitalist foreign investment and the advantages of having a pro-US foreign policy outweigh those of your supposedly superior economic system? This is just admitting that it's a better idea to not go communist and that it holds countries back. Really the improved development in certain formerly communist countries seems to just be the effects of modernization and the real effects of communism itself are "modernize long term at the same pace as capitalist countries can at best, but also terrorize and kill millions of your citizens in the process."Am I wrong?
>>18554763>I don't understand why commies harp on about improved living standard metrics under industrializing communist regimes that arose out of backward agrarian nations when improved standards in such scenarios do not seem to be exclusive to communist regimes at all.Its literally just industrialization and a handful of public programs that any idiot can executeBut neither capitalists nor communists will ever admit it.
>>18554763OP's dubious claims aside, I still don't get what made the Shah so awful and terrible, like everytime I read about pre-79 Iran it just strikes me as a fairly bog standard Middle-Eastern state with an authoritarian state, but that's literally not a freakish deviation in that region at all and the Revolution simply reshuffled the aesthetics and foreign policy of the repressive state apparatus but otherwise it remains a repressive state still.Like wtf did he do that was apparently so awful [for MENA standards]? I just don't fucking get it
>>18554763>Yet commies seem to hate him.Because he, like his father, despised commies and Soviet Union. Hope that clears things up.Good administrator, but lacked zero will to actually get his hands dirty to stay in power.t. Iranian in Iran, not some diaspoo retard.>>18554798This seems like some roach cope. Everyone is literate in this country, unfortunately.>>18554940>I still don't get what made the Shah so awful and terrible,>Like wtf did he do that was apparently so awful [for MENA standards]? I just don't fucking get itHe forced US, UK, and France to pay for their oil fair and square like everyone else; obviously, can't have that so they thought they can stage a coup d'etat and sit their DESIgnated indian, kh*meini, in power to get cheap oil back.Yet another shit plan backfiring horribly by the three evils.
>>18554763Because commies are disingenuous pieces of shit, what else is new.>The USSR were da good guys btw>Illegally kill tens of thousands of endangered whales then fucking lie about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kufM56XIQSk
>>18554947>t. Iranian in Iran, not some diaspoo retard.How's censorship there? I know the Chinese government's attitude to 4chan is "who?" and they literally never even deigned to censor this place, but Iran seems more heavy handed desu
A system can be both immoral and cruel and perfectly fit for natural selection against others. Should we simply erode the less pragmatic and usefull parts of the human soul to accomodate the system? If we assume, of course, there's no god, and no objective good, then it is an inevitability that only those fit for future societies will survive. Humans after all are no different from heads of cattle that need to be bred to be more hard working, more docile, and less reactionary to the sudden shifts of moral and sexual codes of conduct. Perhaps one day we will loose these silly concepts of justice and goodness.But i can't help but desire that the world ends rather than future generations be put through this
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I don't understand why chuds on this board gloat about nigra architecuture using inferior materials that ended up falling in desrepair before Europeans restored them when this was literally true everywhere outside of Europe. All non-whites were equally inferior.
>>18554541>In Africa a lot of people still build huts That's true of every non-white country. This is how the average jeet lives.
>>18554544I like how Jeets have litter everywhere including their poisonous toxic holy river the great ganga ganges river of shit and piss. And China makes most pollution. But meanwhile the west uses paper straws thinking it will cancel all the third world pollution when it will not lol.
>>18554544you literally couldn't build anything like this lolimagine getting jeetmogged
>>18554587You couldn't build anything like this but the rest of us could.Lol.
>>18554541Are you stuck in the 60s?>In Africa a lot of people still build huts because they never figured out how to make housesYou mean gavel shacks or housing in general?>All buildings in Africa are built from White donations lol.You actually believe this? No wonder so many chuds are so delusional.
What would a post-abrahamic world look like?The rigorous codified legalism that once proved to be the backbone and a rallying point of the faith is now showing a lot of holes in light of science, genetics and recorded history.
>>18554246And what is coming? AI singularity?
>>18553824Political ideology fills the role of religion in this world. Marx and Hitler it's priests
>>18554252The Fedora Uprising.
>>18554252Yes>>18554397you have a low IQ
>>18553824Yeah i would claim that the crisis for euclid and geometry that malebranche and occasionallists and locke and hegel and husserl and heidegger and derrida were that when metaphysics and geometry have come to halt against merrier and terroir brick metal Freudian reality testing screaming abyss riding out following some little used Dennis McKenna trail backwaters psychedelic research has really come far during recent time years and time now and here and yeah i am an accomplished scholar or something or i’ve ate at scholars at least boston town squares that’s an open tuning throat sing’jn shape note singing totorro mongol shaman kubla khan did a pleasure dome degree coleridge’s scholarship wordsworth made some sort of manifesto at the beginning to lyrical ballads or something
Have you received Holy Communion in each of the 6 rites of the Catholic Church?Has there ever been a priest that has celebrated Holy Mass in each of these 6 rites?
>>18553654I bet you thought that was really witty
>>18553660hes right though
>>18551012Are you still Methodist?
>>18553660Have you ever heard it before?
>>18550944>Eastern CatholicNot Catholic, and definitely not "Eastern". Non Latin Catholics are humiliated and hated in their communities as people who gave in to worldly pressure during a time of persecution and are to embarrassed to backpedal. Even Latins are disgusted by them.
I'm sorry religious people, but I just can't believe in any religion. The more I look into the arguments and evidence, the more I find against them. I hope your God(s) will have mercy on me, because I'm very simply unable to believe in any religion.
>>18555066There's really nothing 4 dimensional about this picture except that we commonly use it to represent a 4 dimensional thing. It is mathematically accurate in that representation however. Likewise, it is the same for that cross.
>>18555074>we commonly use it to represent a 4 dimensional thingWe use it but it's just a silly picture and it makes no sense to call it a perfect representation of a tesseract. The jesus on floating cubes painting is even sillier.
>>18554559>I'm sorry religious people, but I just can't believe in any religionI am a man of faith and I agree>I hope your God(s) will have mercy on meto me, god is all loving and wants you to be happy in this life. whatever you do, and wherever you go, god wishes love on you. that's all. it's like a fountain of pure water you can drink or not. there is no punishment for not drinking it. that's faith. forget about religion, it's human corruption and it offends god
>>18554559>The more I look into the arguments and evidence, the more I find against them.This is what happens when your evidence criteria are more or less equivalent to "idk, impress me", as is the case for most atheists. You will never find a good enough argument or evidence this way because your brain is wired to maintain current belief and in the absence of evidence criteria defined ahead of time, your evaluation circuitry just falls back on its intuitive (aka habit-driven) modes... which in your case would lead to the irreligious worldview. I'm not saying you're stupid or that your judgement is below average, I'm saying that you're trying to set up a kind of a scientific process - where you evaluate evidence and arguments - while leaving out one of the key parts that make it reliable. Criteria. Decide what measurement, datapoint or experience would prove God/religion to you and how you would evaluate it, and then set out to look for it. I've seen people on this board confidently tell me they need a picture of God and then go from 0 to seething when I asked them how one would visually recognize God. An absence of criteria doesn't just make it more difficult for theists to deliver evidence, it makes it impossible for atheists to recognize it.
>>18554738This subhuman still posts here? I haven't seen this retard in months.You lost and can't do basic math btw
We're now on the 42nd and thus fourth to last thread celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA.Today we have George W. Bush (b. 7/6/1946), who served as president from 2001 to 2008. Prior to being president he was the twice governor of Texas. Notable actions or events during his presidency include the September 11th attacks, No Child Left Behind Act, the PATRIOT act, the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, The Afghanistan and Iraq wars, Hurricane Katrina, and the 2008 financial crisis.What do you think of our enemies never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we?Link to previous thread>>18552389Note, I'm not the original guy who made all the president threads, I just enjoyed them, thought they were some of the best discussions on this godforsaken board, and am a completionist autist. Most of the discussion will be centered on 9/11 anyway, which was 25 years ago, so we should get away with it.
the 2000 election right up to the recount was so fucking boring
>>18554184the Bushes were never real conservatives they were nanny state New Englanders
>>18554184>George W. BushComplete retard who could do nothing on his own. Because his old man was CIA, VP, and president W. had handlers and immense powerful political and financial support to move him around up, and to keep his drug and alcohol abuse covered up. W was president in name only, Cheney was the real president making all the important decisions and making things run. On paper W had and MBA from Harvard and through total incompetence allowed the 2008 great financial crisis to develop and nearly bk the country. After Hurricane Katrina where was Bush, fucking around and watching tv. Its too bad he did not choke to death on that pretzel that lodged in his throat when he was watching football.
>>18554896but it was Clinton who mostly caused the housing bubble?
You told me Manstein was a genius. So why was operation winter storm such a joke?
>>18555219inb4 'hurr durr madman hitler'
>>18555219>Man(((stein)))
>>18555228>He had only one left nut and was on drugs the whole time!You mean like everyone else?
We're now on the 41st and probably final day of my daily presidents threads celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA.Today we have Bill Clinton (b. 8/19/1946), who served as president from 1993 to 2000. Prior to being president he was the twice governor of and attorney general of Arkansas. He was the first president in quite a while to have no military history, and the second to be impeached after Andrew Johnson. Notable actions or events during his presidency include Don't Ask Don't Tell, the Family and Medical Leave Act, the Waco Siege, the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act, the Brady Bill, ratifying NAFTA, Whitehouse.gov and the World Wide Web, the Omnibus Crime Bill, the Defense of Marriage Act, the 1996 Campaign Finance Controversy, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, the State Children's Health Insurance Plan, the Adoption and Safe Families Act, the Foster Care Independence Act, the Bombing of Iraq, the Bombing of Yugoslavia, Operation Gothic Serpent, the 1995 - 1996 Shutdown, the Republican Revolution, Operation Infinite Reach, the Dayton Accords, the Whitewater Controversy, Travelgate, and the Monica Lewinsky Scandal and his Impeachment, What do you think of man who had sex with that woman?Link to previous thread>>18551137As an aside, thank you for participating in these threads. I will probably make this the last one so as not to break board rules. Which is a shame as if we'd continued we'd finish the day before July 4. Oh well. C'est la vie. I'll probably do something similar at some point in the future, but like with states or something like that.
>>18554914low tariffs had been a traditional Democrat plank because their main voter base was in the South, but even there some lobbyists were in favor of protectionism especially sugar and citrus growers
>>18554914Cleveland was against monopoly capital, interventionism and tariffs. That was basically the pre-TR GOP plank.
>>18554918>Cleveland was against monopoly capitalbefore or after he had the Army shoot striking workers?
>>18552942Up for a little Nafta Lois?
Clinton was the guy who balanced the budget by looting Social Security.
The culture war is basically a divide between bourgeoisie people who value a life of individualism, hedonism, and materialism and working-class people who value shared community and values. Yet why do communists who claim to support the working-class take the side of the bourgeoisie?
>>18553021>This is such a none issue though.You missed the point of what I was saying and demonstrated your low IQ. Do you or do you not agree that there exists huge disparity between the lower and upper classes?
>>18553021>>18553269It's a massive issue. Policies are decided by people who live in a world where everybody has everything they could possibly want, and it seems that only some loudmouth virgins could possibly complain.
>>18548265You're American.
>>18548265Communists and Lefties in general got one shotted by the psyop of pathological altruism.>NOOOO THINK OF HECKIN SWEATY TYRONE TAKIN CARE OF HE KIDS HE WORKIN HE A PROLETARIAT CHABISTA CHICHARONES LATINAMOMMA WORKERS REBOLUCION UNIDOS!!!Lefties romanticize the aspirational weakness of browns and have themselves become weak. They engage in a form of high mutational load nationalism. Bio-Leninism as opposed to actual Leninism.>>18551983>it’s sociopathic to exist as a White personDumb loxist.Marx wasn’t just a White supremacist he was a Germanic supremacist.You cannot have a worker’s state or a commune without White people.Non-Whites haven’t undergone the historical processes necessary to be capable of achieving a stateless society.Marxism will adapt and become White supremacist Marxism, or it will die and continually ask “why wont these 85IQ fauna builds workers state wtf wtf wtf the capitalists must be behind this!”
>>18548265Steve bannon take five dharma algorithm
The more you read about Abrahamic religions, the more you hate every single one of them
>>18554776OP again The more you read about Hinduism, the more you love it.
>>18554776>the more you read the Sacred Scriptures without faith (being and atheist or an antichrist/wrongdoer/demon), the more you misunderstand themWow! Big news, right? R-right?
>>185553941 billion + have faith in your jewish god and yet you disagree, seems like theres a bigger problem here.>inb4 no true scotsman fallacyah, so gods word is made such that its impossible to prove when comparing with other claims from the false religions
>>18554776True>>18555394Nothing in the bible is "sacred scripture", retard. It's just low IQ nonsense from cult retards, like yourself.
>>18554776But then the more you read posts from atheists, the more it starts tipping the other way until you find yourself wishing for anti-heresy laws.
