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On December 25, 274, Aurelian, after unifying the Roman Empire, instituted Roman monotheism under the god Sol.

The other gods were relegated to mere saints focused on practical causes, such as the saint of marriage (Eros) and the saint of metalworkers (Hephaestus).

Later, the only thing Flavius Constantinus and Flavius Theodosius did was replace the god Sol (Sol was the god's name) with Jesus, who had been created by his family during the time of Flavius Vespasianus and Flavius Titus.

And, over time, the names of the saints were changed from pagan names to Catholic names.

Until the 4th century, Christianity was merely a game played by the Roman elite, who controlled writing in the Empire. Only a small elite had full literacy, money to buy writing materials, and the right to produce and reproduce texts in the empire without being killed.

The much-talked-about persecution of Christians was nothing more than conflicts between the elite who wanted to adopt Christianity as the state belief and the elite who opposed it.

There is NOT A SINGLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of the existence of early Christian groups in the first two centuries. Nothing. Zero.

We have some texts from the 2nd century written by members of the elite allied with the Flavian family, the elite who destroyed Jerusalem. Many of these texts were written using false names and based on lies and propaganda.

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>>18247883
Ethiopia's Christian Church deboonks you, there's evidence for first and second century practice, with no Roman influence
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>>18247947
Syncretization of the Roman sun god Sol (himself the Roman equivalent of the Greek god Helios) with the Syrian sun god Elagabal
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>>18247981
Prove it

I want archeological evidence
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>>18247883
>instituted Roman monotheism under the god Sol.
Sol Invictus was not monotheistic.
>The other gods were relegated to mere saints focused on practical causes
The cult of Sol Invictus was raised to an official state cult, it did not supersede the older ones and was in fact generally considered lesser because it was not an old cult.
>Later, the only thing Flavius Constantinus and Flavius Theodosius did was replace the god Sol (Sol was the god's name) with Jesus, who had been created by his family during the time of Flavius Vespasianus and Flavius Titus.
Constantine and Theodosius aren't even related, they aren't related to the Flavians either.
>There is NOT A SINGLE ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE of the existence of early Christian groups in the first two centuries. Nothing. Zero.
Gospel fragments and Gnostic texts. Oxyrhynchus fragments, Christian graves in Rome and the Ichthys-fish exist.
>>18247947
We don't quite know where it came from in terms of influence. We know it was not from Baal or Helios though. It originated in the army in the 3rd century and seems to be effectively a Roman military god above all else and people did not associate it with either of the previous gods. Instead they kept it separate.
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>>18247883
Meds. Now.

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According to Wikipedia Albert Speer wrote that Hitler said that he regretted siding with Franco and wished that he chose to support the 2nd republic.

Let's say he did that, how does this change history?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_involvement_in_the_Spanish_Civil_War
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Continuing this >>18246257

In either case he had to invade the country. I'm assuming they thought that fighting against the republicans would have been easier?
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>>18246209
Moors expelled.
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The alliance with Italy breaks.
Italy being useless, this doesn't prevent the fall of France, but the subsequent invasions of Spain and Italy delay the invasion of the USSR by long enough that the US join the war first, which leads to indefinitely delaying the invasion of the USSR.
No involvement in Africa, either.
This in turn means that there are four times as many Germans in the west than historically (would be more, but gotta guard against Soviet backstabbing). Germany also still has access to Soviet oil and nickel. Given that the USSR never stopped relying on industrial imports to this very day, as long as Germany is actually willing to pay, it can pay.
Allied airpower is still overwhelming, but with Soviet nickel, German jets become a lot more reliable and enter service sooner. The V1 is already ridiculously more cost effective than heavy bombers as is.
Since Roosevelt's gonna Roosevelt, there'll still be an invasion, which'll be incredibly bloody and slow going.
That's when Stalin backstabs Hitler. Too bad that Roosevelt dies around that time and the anticommunist Truman gets to be in charge.
Germany has to sacrifice western Europe but is allowed peace with the US. Churchill cries like the bitch he is. Germany turns east with all it has, and there is no lend-lease for the USSR.
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>>18246209
All because pesky Spaniard fault
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Pujol_Garc%C3%ADa#p-lang
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>>18246320

Could Hitler and Mussolini even be considered allies at the time? It wasn't until the pact of steel, yeah?

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If their leader hadn't randomly died for no reason, could the Mongols have actually taken Western Europe?
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>chinkspammer triggered
This thread is finished
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>>18247936
Except that's what happened in Russia. Feudal Rus fiefs submitted to the Mongols.
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>>18247206
>Golden Horde churkas
What did he mean by this.
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>>18244225
Pretty based post
Fuck you Genghis and the horse you ran in on.
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>>18241901
Kipchak Turks (Tengrists) helped the Georgians against Seljuq Turks (Muslims) at the battle of Didgori.

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>Due to widespread shortages of arms at the start of the Civil War, numerous stopgap solutions were tried including importing secondhand weapons from Europe. The arms-strapped Confederacy was in greater need of them but the War Department also purchased many just to keep them out of enemy hands. One of the more commonly used infantry arms on both sides was the Austrian M1854 "Lorenz" rifle, .54 caliber. The Austrian army had introduced the weapon in 1854 to replace smoothbore muskets and it saw extensive use in the 1859 war with France. By the time of the Civil War, it was being replaced by the improved M1862 Lorenz (the standard Austrian service rifle during the disastrous Seven Weeks War), so M1854s were being auctioned off and disposed of.

>As with most European imports, the Lorenz had problems partially due to lack of spare parts in the United States, or the correct ammo type. Soldiers were issued .54 cartridges designed for the M1841 "Mississippi" Rifle which were not an exact replacement for the original cartridges. They also didn't know how to use the sights on the weapons or maintain them properly, as the original drill and maintenance guides were in German and not available nor readable by Americans--the Austrian army had a couple variations of the Lorenz for different shooting ranges including long-distance sniping, but these did not figure into Civil War battlefield tactics.

>Nonetheless, thousands of them saw use in both Union and Confederate armies; most preferred .58 rifles if available but a few soldiers thought the Lorenz was better due to its lighter weight. Construction quality of the weapons also varied widely from excellent to atrocious.
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During the Mexican War some disgruntled soldier tried to frag Bragg (lol) by putting an artillery shell with a slow fuse under his cot as he slept. The shell exploded, but the cot absorbed all of the blast energy so it was demolished but Bragg was unscathed.
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>>18248213
The AoT had pro and anti-Bragg factions. As you might guess his biggest supporters were the troops that had been part of his old Pensacola command. These were mostly in the Hindman/Withers division of Polk's corps. OTOH Breckinridge's division was a center of anti-Bragg sentiment.
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>>18247756
Weapons don't become deadliest by being bigger and doing more damage. Precision is what kills. We learned this in the Cold War.
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>>18248251
the Orphan Brigade also hated him for having one of their guys shot and for getting them butchered at Stones River
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>>18248251
>Polk
Absolute idiot.

>thinks he's God's gift to the CSA even though he'd served in the army like three months 36 years earlier
>fucks up repeatedly in battles
>since he was a Davis bff of course nothing was going to be done about that

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Anyone who says “paganism was already on the decline long before Christianity" has no clue how non-Abrahamic religions actually work.

The cult of Sol Invictus was not monotheistic nor exclusive, Aurelian still worshiped traditional Roman gods alongside Sol Invictus (and Sol Invictus himself is just a syncretization of the Roman sun god Sol with the Syrian sun god Elagabal), he never sought to displace traditional Roman religious practices like Christianity did. The various mystery cults like Mithraism also heavily syncretized with Greco-Roman paganism as people still worshiped traditional gods alongside the gods of their mystery cult (and oftentimes equated traditional gods with theirs. For example, Mithras was equated with Sol).

Historically, religious syncretism was the norm and outside of the Abrahamic religions, it is still arguably the norm. Look at modern Japan for example, according to several surveys Japan is both 70% Buddhist and 70% Shinto at the same time because historically Buddhism tended to syncretize with local religions and nobody ever saw any contradictions in that. Similarly in India, many other religions such as Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism heavily syncretize with Hindu traditions. Besides, “Paganism” itself is just a broad term for all non-Abrahamic religions, so by that definition, religions such as Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Taoism, Shinto, etc are also all technically “pagan.”

The Abrahamic religions with their insistence on “orthodoxy” and “heresy” are actually a historic anomaly. The idea that people can only belong to one religious tradition is an Abrahamic invention that never would have existed otherwise.
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>>18248021
>it would not deny the existence or divinity of beings such as Zeus, Aphrodite, or Apollo. But your intellect is far too low to understand that.
In Christian world view these are no necessarily false, I believe many of them were real entities, but they are simply demonic beings not gods to be worshipped

>All polytheists worship the same gods
Within pagan system that's false, but within the Christian system that's actually true. They're all the same demons manifesting with different names all over. That's why you can draw parallels between modern day abortion and ancient child sacrifice ritual, pretty similar
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>>18248033
They are not “demons,” they are personifications of natural forces. Anyone who says that they are “demons” is a delusional idiot with a poor understanding of metaphysics.

If they truly were “demons,” your “one true god” would not have tolerated it for thousands of years. If they truly were “demons,” they wouldn’t have taught people virtue and wisdom.

They are not “dead” either, death cannot come near them and if they did somehow “die,” then the whole of reality would have collapsed and we wouldn’t be here discussing this. Oh, and I’ve had all of my prayers to them answered, that alone is enough proof they’re still here.

A rhetorical tool used by early Christians has no basis in reality, and is also hypocritical considering Judaism originated from Canaanite paganism.
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>>18247945
>Elagabal
I bet you're the same kind of person that also calls Aten a "Sun" god.
Oh, what a coincidence you using a picture of Atena as an OP!
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>>18248024
It's a secret, but don't worry, you're going to the good place.
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>>18247945
None of this has anything to do with the reasons people say paganism was on the decline long before Christianity, it's to do with losing its moral authority. Things like accounts of temples being neglected, people not performing rituals as they would have before, and collapsing public morality. I don't know enough about the period to say whether or not that's actually true but this seems like a strawman.

Is post-revolutionary France freemasonic?
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Revolution birthed the first Masonic State. The real doctrine, the Supreme Being was an esoteric framework for Masonic hierarchy and natural law. Napoleon was its Grand Master, codifying the initiatory structure into the Napoleonic Code and the Legion of Honour. The career open to talent was a system of profane master grades in the new civil religion. We've been living in the Masonic dystopia ever since.....
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>>18245933
Yes, with Continental Freemasonry. Not to be confused with Anglo Freemasonry, which is rather different and which the US encapsulates.
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>>18247362
>Marx (Prussia)
Forgot this Sardinian terrorist.
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>>18247362
Will it ever get better? I'm getting quite tired.
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>>18247362
unintelligible niggerbabble

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THE PATHETIC EMPIRE

First it was a War on Drugs remix.

Then it turned into regime change.

Now it's Pirates of the Caribbean.

The Mighty Empire of Chaos has been shrunk to the role of Oil Thief - stealing from a Latin American nation tanker by tanker.
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>>18247959
>REJECT MODERNITY
>EMBRACE LOOTING LATIN AMERICA
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>>18247959
Geopolitical blunders are a proud American tradition!
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>>18247858
Why seethe on /his/ thirdie?
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>>18247966
Bring back letters of marque, I deserve the right to privateer
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>>18247858
Ia this a man?

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was Tropico better or worse before or after El Presidente?
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>>18247263
3/4 are peak Tropico, 4 has fun campaign & modern times DLC.
I pirated 6 and had fun with it, but it gets tedious. Has no campaign, but a ton of different scenarios. 4 different era with different mechanics/options, and a trade route system that Tropico 5 introduced.
>>18247257
Me when I max out income with mining & industry, everyone except environmentalists are happy. Still shoot randoms just for fun.
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>>18247693
4 kind of tried to incentivize the player to act more dictatory with the Loyalist faction, but it still wasn't really worth it. They should have implemented some mechanism where higher class people want to loot from the treasury and abuse workers, and if they cannot do that they might coup you.
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>>18247257
> when the optimal way to to play is just being a normal
Tropico is one of those games where you basically have to set your own silly goals or do despotic evil things for the fun of it, the game doesn't force you, but it does leave the door open.

Also i've seen some builds using edicts and corruption that are pretty OP honestly. There isn't really a right or wrong way to play.
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>>18247199

After? El Presidente is Eternal you counterrevolutionary swine.
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>>18247199
Life under El Presidente was great, a literal paradise on earth mi amigo. After the CIA assassinated him and installed Penultimo, things were never the same again.

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Why historically do they larp as med?
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Southern cone is
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>>18248149
>we are very white senooor
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YOU ARE MENTALLY ILL.
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>>18248133
You subhuman indian

Why dont your filthy family go back to India?

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I’m going to post this every day until you remember it
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#Texit
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Insane this all that was left after the towers fell
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>>18248136
Remember the towers, it will end like hne alamo did.

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Is the demise of The End of History permanent? Spengler predicted the end of Money as the main power in the world, with Blood overthrowing it, as far as I can see this is a fact, after 2018 it appears every single global event has shown how naive it was to think shared economic interests could keep world peace, we rediscovered for some, no amount of gold can replace some things.
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>>18246247
Exactly, rather the age of cyberpunk corporations is coming.
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>>18246247
>Caesar taking over? Nah bro, Pompey has all the money, and anyone can be bought for the right price
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>>18247545
What was the secret for Caesar's victory?
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>>18247934
Popularity
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Well, if we want to go back being primitive retards with no technology sure, let's abandon money. Leadership is so stupid it's gonna happen

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Europeans have made the greatest technological and political/philosophical advancements of all of humanity because they are the most satanic race.
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>>18248180
Favstian, we shall conquer the stars
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brazilian thread

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do you consider religion more important or less important than your national identity?
Many people subordinate religion to their national identity and are members of a particular branch for historical and cultural reasons rather than how true it is. For instance someone in a culturally protestant part of Europe will be Protestant and someone in a culturally Catholic part of Europe will be Catholic without ever questioning their faith, as for them it is simply part of their cultural and often national identity. What are /his/'s thoughts on that?
Do you pick your religion because you think its true or because you think it is the best fit for your particular country/nation/people?
Bust of Cicero is unrelated to the topic at hand, I just didn't want to be another frogposter.
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>>18247845
The religion I'm part of is whatever will benefit me the most at any given moment. The country I'm part of is whatever I'm stuck with.
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>>18247851
It won't my guy but religious affiliation by its very nature should be more important than the national identity given how most religions dictate the very foundation of reality and morality rather than who you associate with.
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>To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian.
A man can only serve his people if he consents to serve Heaven first. Anyone who disagrees is simply an atheistic materialist who doesn't understand this life is only an imperfect reflection of a higher order, which is something everyone believed in the distant past. So there's simply no debate as far as I'm concerned, unless you're willing to stretch the definition of religion to include people who are "culturally" religious. Authentic believers will naturally prioritize the eternal over the temporary.
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>>18247859
>Average Theocracy enjoyer.
I hope you find your way to heaven as soon as possible.
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>>18247855
>It won't my guy but religious affiliation by its very nature should be more important than the national identity given how most religions dictate the very foundation of reality and morality rather than who you associate with.
would that mean that, perhaps, the majority of those born into particular faiths are not genuine believers as they only adhere to it for cultural reasons? I am reminded now of how in many places it was once required to adhere to a particular sect to hold political office, and so as a result many members of a religion were only members so far as it allowed them to access political power.

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After the American revolution, bongs began arming their brownoid colonial policemen in colonies like egypt, australia, berma and india with these intentionally retarded Martini Henri or SMLE single shot muskets that shot these retarded periptery single ball cartridges that were like 12-24 gauge (it's a weird necked down all brass shot shell) or like a .303 bong cartridge necked up to .410 with a .410 ball.
There is some confusion about them because a bunch of bongs took enfields after WWI and WWII and reamed them out to .410 because bongolian loiscencing laws made it easier to own a shotgun than a rifle because the bongaloid aristocracy were worried about a russian style commie revolution and the fact a lot of the indian muskets and greener police guns that got imported to the US got bored out to .410 or .12 gauge so they could take normal ammo. They did that with webly revolvers too. A bunch of American imported Webly revolvers were bored out to .45 acp which is super fucking unsafe
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>>18248145
I mean, it's a better solution than the Spanish strategy of disallowing anyone but the military from having guns. Which didn't even prevent rebellion lmao.
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>>18248145
>After the American revolution, bongs began arming their brownoid colonial policemen in colonies like egypt, australia, berma and india with these intentionally retarded Martini Henri or SMLE single shot muskets that shot these retarded periptery single ball cartridges that were like 12-24 gauge (it's a weird necked down all brass shot shell) or like a .303 bong cartridge necked up to .410 with a .410 ball.
Why are you using an event almost a century removed from the events you describe as a landmark?
Might as well have started with
>At some point after the Norman Conquest, bongs began arming their brownoid colonial policemen...

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>wins civil war
>immediately ethnically replaces themselves
>realizes this by the 1910s, freaks out, tries to stop it with 1924 immigration law
>its too late, the north is now a slav-kraut-scandi-wop mutt abomination

I guess the Confederates got the last laugh.
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>>18246688
The funny thing about all the illegal immigration to the US is the fuckers have jobs lined up over here often by criminals back in their origin countries. That's how the mob got over into the US, they owned the people coming over. Italians worked under the padrone system which was wholly controlled by the mob. Irish similarly were organized by irish gangs originating in ireland
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>>18247827
>It's hard to believe now, but the Negroes and the climate were seen as a genuine barrier to promoting immigration at the time.
>derf there's a scary black man in town help me /pol/
was it that hard to not be racist, guys?
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>>18244089
1910!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSEwy8ZORc
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he's still mad he lost a war he fought for jews and his states are infested with blacks
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KEK it's the kentucky nigger


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