>three old Zoroastrian magi>show up to confirm the next king of the Jews and to bestow gifts onto him>which they figured out using AstrologyWhat was Matthew smoking? Why would this give credibility to Jesus?Did he just think Magi were cool?
>>18625925>This is over 100 years old>an encyclopedia written at about the same time as the Model T car began productionThis is not a rebuttal of the points being raised by the encyclopedia. The 2002 version still identifies them with Zoroastrians>There's a reason their name was both then and now was the very term for magicYes that reason being Greeks not understanding their religious rituals and confusing them for the sorcery Zoroastrians themselves despised>The eleventh of the good lands and countries which I, Ahura Mazda, created, was the bright, glorious Haetumant 31. Thereupon came Angra Mainyu, who is all death, and he counter-created the evil work of witchcraft. 31. The basin of the EtumandroV or Erymanthus, now Hermend, Helmend, that is to say, the region of Saistân. And this is the sign by which it is known, this is that by which it is seen at once: wheresoever they may go and raise a cry of sorcery, there 32 the worst works of witchcraft go forth. From there they come to kill and strike at heart, and they bring locusts as many as they want 33. >31. The basin of the EtumandroV or Erymanthus, now Hermend, Helmend, that is to say, the region of Saistân>32. In Haetumant. -- 'The plague created against Saistan is abundance of witchcraft: and that character appears from this, that all people from that place practise astrology: those wizards produce ... snow, hail, spiders, and locusts ' (Gr Bd.) Saistan, like Kabul, was half Indian (Maçoudi, II, 79-82), and Brahmans and Buddhists have the credit of being proficient in the darker sciences>33. This clause seems to be a quotation in the Pahlavi Commentary. - http://www.zoroastrian.org.uk/lib/avesta-org/vendidad/vd1sbe.htm
>>18625925Joseph gets visited by an angel in a dream. Not the same thing. The point of the author is it fits the profile for Zoroastrian magi, just like everything else they do.The text doesn't go into detail about the nature of the dream. >late workThis is literally answered in the footnote I quoted. Hence I posted the entire footnote.Check this out too I guess:https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/astvat-ereta-savior/>The basic Zoroastrian belief in a virgin-born Savior of the world must have become widely known throughout the Near East in the Achaemenid period, i.e., from the 6th century B.C. onward, when almost all the eastern Mediterranean lands were under Persian rule; and it appears to have exerted some influence on Judeo-Christian thought. It is also considered possible that it contributed, in the eastern border-lands of the Achaemenid empire, to the evolution of the doctrine of Maitreya (q.v.), the coming Buddha, held by the northern Buddhists.
>>18625418>made trips all the time because of signs they saw. Care to back that up?Refer to a post that actually backs your claim not they believed xyz according to person A
>>18627072You want me to time travel? The paper shows it would be reasonable for them to travel around looking for their messiah. Since the prophesied appearance falls in that time period plus halley's comet was in the sky and they saw it as a good omen. If that's not good enough for you then suck a dick I guess.
>>18626378>The 2002 version still identifies them with ZoroastriansAnd what specifically does it use to argue that these men believed in Zoroastrianism? >confusing them for the sorcery Zoroastrians themselves despisedNo they didn't. Like basically all ancient polytheists, they had plenty of what we today would label magical practices. Primary sources state this explicitly, Herodotus for example records them trying to control the weather in https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Herodotus/7d%2A.html:"For the storm lasted for three days; and at last the Magians, by using victims and wizards' spells on the wind, and by sacrificing also to Thetis and the Nereids, did make it to cease on the fourth day, or mayhap it was not of their doing"According to https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/magic/magic-i-magical-elements-in-the-avesta-and-nerang-literature/ they were into magical protective amulets: "In Yt. 14.35, Ahura Mazdā explains how the possession of the feather of a falcon...allows the pious Mazdean to counter-curse his opponents, while according to Yt. 14.36, whoever carries a bone or a feather of this bird cannot be harmed or driven away...Such a feather in fact brings him respect and strength, and can be considered a sort of amulet."Tons more examples. They believed in magic anon.Your quotes aren't relevant, they simply thought their sorcery was good and witches' sorcery was bad.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
Why do Asiatic Tartars always lose and get awayed by EVROPA?
>>18627955they are weird looking but in the steppe all you need is to kill and steal horses so i guess thats what they were built for
>>18627964But they suck at killing, they lost every battle to the cossack bvlls.
>>18627967they mustve won something at some point
>>18627989They never won, ever.
>>18627411rump states of the mongol horde fighting for supremacy over the steppe. russians (muscovites) won.
Are modern christians too uppity about sexual stuff and content?In the middle ages, it was not unusual for cities to have 100x more prostitutes than you have in a modern city. Priests lived in these cities and didnt make too big of a deal about it relatively speaking.Now in modern times you have christians saying you cant watch that anime or that show because it had nudity in it. We live in an age that in some parts also has less sex than before.So what gives? Is the modern attitude just puritanism or what?
>>18624275No, the MAGA reaction to Jews inserting lgbt trannies into everything by shutting it down and out of sports and arresting them as mentally ill diseased people is justice. And it is Christian justice , because any good thing and any judgement from God is going to be christian.Here is an article I noticed today, the sherif justifiably refuses to call them women. Two trannies will hopefully be tortured to death before they go to hell.https://www.alexjoneslive.com/2026/08/10/horror-2-transgenders-accused-of-torturing-killing-7-year-old-found-bound-in-duct-tape/For torturing a little boy to death before drowning him for 9 months. He had autism. So you can’t act worldly around a little retarded boy. Some people are so worldly, that their cool vibes just can’t be sacrificed even for someone else. Apparently God sends demented children into the lives of evil people to teach them a lesson, and if they refuse to listen, well then this is what happens. Now who is going to be the retarded kids in prison? I hope they like being raped in there.I think of your post on the boards like I think of those trannies. It’s an intrusion of society with sexual harassment by breaking gender and sexual laws to keep sex private. Go back to Japan where they are selling porn on the streets. But don’t come here.>>18625189This scripture is obviously not from the KJV, which was purified 7 times (the Bible says it must be), and authorized by a king.It says she doted on their paramours.See?>Ezekiel 23:20 “For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses.”The purification 7 times prepares the Bible to be read for moral learning so that there is no sin. By changing it to your uninspired, “just give the English plain language version to me now so I can just understand its meaning” like that rotten girl in the classic Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factory movie, takes away the miracle.
>>18625189Furthermore I am not done with replying to your post. This is literally the devil, and no, vulgarity is a sin against God and it blasphemes the miracle that is sex. A woman’s womb is a miracle, and the whole book of Song of Solomon was built around a garden of spiritual romance of her husband’s garden at the temple. If it was never purified, it would contain imagery that is sexual, of oral sex, and sex from behind, and other things. It talks about a woman’s breasts being like tasting grapes from the vine. It talks about drinking her husband’s seed like tasting fruit from her husband’s tree in his shadow. These are purified images, and if it were written by a bunch of rapists, it would just go straight to the vulgarity like tits and ass , and even then it would still be a better morality than the world’s, because they want to fuck anything with a pussy on it. Even their 90 year old grandma. And if she is too old then they would rather she just hit the bucket. So no. Burn in hell I say.
>>18626333That reminds me, Hitler had brothels, and they existed just to be a source for more soldiers in the nazi army. It’s all they cared about.
My wife’s mom who is Roman Catholic told me she doesn’t care about the Bible. At all. Doesn’t fear condemning it as they have their own beliefs. Then she accused me for telling them this about the Bible being purified 7 times when they had a hired family worker for as long as they know me who was constantly saying the eff word and talking about my wife in vulgar ways. I reminded him several times that since we have childhood promises, that I don’t see her in that way, and that I want her in a spiritual union because what we have between us is sacred from Heaven. When I said that and when they started driving by my house flipping me off with the middle finger in her dad’s own pickup (doing work for him), and began calling my phone hundreds of times leaving hundreds of messages saying eff you, eff you, we are going to corrupt your church, etc with threats to where I go to church to ruin it and desecrate it through changes and threatening me, and using vulgarity and foul language, and when my wife’s family told me they don’t agree with his worldliness and drunk behavior and using illegal drugs but they keep letting him do this to me, and eventually my wife could no longer talk to me, I sent her a text explaining this and in the same like manner I included some vulgar language for moral purposes, because if the language that worker was using, an because they were acknowledging that they were using him to corrupt moral principles when I would come over there and talk to my wife of faith, so I shared wisdom and purpose and did not Prate. But I did use vulgar language because of how bad things were getting between us, in hopes she would take my side. Unfortunately she was manipulated to corruption, and used it to claim I had done something bad, like Prate (share a bunch of vulgarity without purpose or wisdom). Her mom said she “only saw some bad words” which she is used to using anyway, and “did not read the whole thing.” = making her daughter lie.
>>18624275It's a function of modernization. If you read the texts of the church fathers or monks; they were super against sexual stuff. But the church didn't have the ability or the will to enforce those rules. Most Christians throughout history where cultural in their Christianity. They did the rituals as a form of social connection. The lay person didn't even know most Christian doctrine. Only monks and spergs genuinely believed it. Half of marriages in the middle ages had a already pregnant bride. Fornication was always common.Once people got the ability to read the texts or when the government had the ability to enforce the rules (due to modern state capacity); we see mass deconversion.
Off the top of my head here’s a list1. Napoleon 2. Adolf Hitler3. Immanuel Kant
>>18625833Why Jefferson Davis pick Polk and Pillow as commanders? Was he autistic?https://www.westerntheatercivilwar.com/post/the-battle-of-bowling-green
einstein, lenin, tesla, lovecraft
>>18625830Richard NixonAugustus CaesarHeinrich Himmler
>>18625830H.P. Lovecraft was for sure on the spectrum
>>18625830The social conditions for the emergence of Autism did not exist before the 20th century.
>Casually rebukes over a millennia of accumulated pro and anti spartan PropagandaHow does he do it?
And why do you trust his narrative?
>>18628307Where's your extraordinary evidence that the spartans were actually gay? I'm waiting.
>>18628319I don't get it. You didn't explain why you believe his narrative and you're trying to avoid the question.
The Red Army saved the world by crushing hordes of child torturing nazi pagan subhuman gangsters and genociding them without mercy
>>18627992Slavic Bolshevik Heroes always win
>>18627992I'm anti-communist but I can't help but respect the sheer strenght and bravery of Red Army heroes when they smashed tru primitive nazi trannies defence lines and crushed them without mercy
White Europeans saved the world by crushing hordes of child torturing American Indian pagan subhuman gangsters and genociding them without mercy
>>18627992They still get raped and lose to Japanese Bushido, as Mongolians alway sdo
Why would people continue to join a small cult which was punishable by death? Was the real Christian movement replaced by a controlled opposition faction that was allowed to exist and would therefore defeat the true Christian faith? Example of what I mean is proto-Orthodoxy being made legal and supported in order to kill the Gnostic factions.
>>18628056Christianity wasn't always punishable by death, that depended on the emperor. It wasn't even punishable in every corner of the Roman Empire.Furthermore, defining it merely as a small cult gives it a dark connotation. Like any religion, it fostered community, with all that entails. You suddenly find yourself with a group of people in your town or city who are likely to help you with some financial or personal problem because you share a religion.And I don't know much about the religions of that time, and while Christianity was one of the few that enjoyed this characteristic, the fact that Christianity wasn't exclusive in its beginnings must have been appealing. People of any social class, gender, or background could theoretically be Christian. It was simply a matter of enduring the difficult times as a minority religion for it to survive
>>18628056The Bible itself. Early Christianity was an overglorified book club, Biblical texts were shared and passed around amongst early religious scholars and this became the basis for the Nicene Creed and its attempts at forming a Canon around them. Then Jews got jealous and responded with the Talmud
Would it make a difference to you whether you're getting on board or not if it's a cube or pyramid?
>>18627296Maybe the height is just the height of the tallest skyscraper. What's wrong with your brain?
>>18627324It says the height of the walls is the same as it's width and length.
I believe it's supposed to be a polyhedron shaped like this
>>18627296Since Job is the creator of the Great Pyramid of Giza, I could be convinced of this. But since it says the dimensions are cube shaped , I expect a cube still. Even if it is a cube, it won’t be inviting the kinds of Jews who are fighting for this world and killing everyone unless those people repent and turn towards Jesus Christ in their heart. The picture doesn’t show the gemstones around the outside walls, and the golden walls that are transparent like glass, and streets of gold inside.I also imagine that there is something divine about Heaven. Like the Doctor Who box being bigger on the inside, but that remains to be seen.In fact, God told Israel to keep flat roofs on their homes. So I make up my mind, I believe it to be cubed.
>>18627296I don’t really like big cities. Can I just stay in my house and not live in the giant cube?
Dear christians, if you didn't wear a cross necklace and tell people you're a Christian, would people be able to tell you're a Christian based on your behavior?
>>18628021And I don't drink. And I don't listen to nigger rap. And I support Trump.
>>18628019That picture of North West going around of her saying how much she loves Jesus while dressed like a demon is the perfect representation of most christians today. They do not live a rigtheous life and it's this OSAS and Faith Alone nonsense that christians are going around preaching.Paul said you're saved by grace through faith but he then said:>For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works; which God has ordained, so that we would walk in them.So good works are till necessary, everyone is obligated to do good works, you just have to do them with the humility of knowing that it's not the works that are saving you. If God didn't give you grace you could do a million good deeds and he still wouldn't owe you salvation. Salvation is beyond our reach and is given as a gift, but you still have to do good.Faith alone is about not boasting in your works, not not doing them. Being good and behaving righteously and treating everyone fairly is the obligation of every believer who serves God.
>>18628085>They do not live a rigtheous life and it's this OSAS and Faith Alone nonsense that christians are going around preaching.There it is. You're so fucked. :)
There it is, the unregenerate spiteful heretic is at it again.They're probably just pretending.You can tell he's offended at the idea that Jesus literally expects him to be more righteous than a Pharisee, and if he is not he will never inherit the kingdom of heaven, these who notably he condemned for not practicing what they preached. That's called being a hypocrite.That's because he doesn't actually know Christ, or actually understand even the first thing about Jesus' own exegesis of the Lord's Prayer. Because Jesus himself says that if you forgive you will be forgiven, and if you do not forgive you will likewise not be forgiven.Yes, OSAS is a clear heresy that directly contradicts scripture at multiple points.As Paul wrote, if God did not spare the natural branches take care lest he cut you off too.
But heretic-kun isn't actually here to talk about the bible and what it really says about the Christian life, because they're secretly just a shill or maybe even several dedicated to lowering the quality of discussion board wide.Probably the same ones posting shallow gotchas you've seen over a hundred times, coupled with godjaks.
nords can't even keep their own retarded mythology consistent
>>18626320>nordsbased retard
because its a christian manuscript made by the anglo saxons, who probably had a different version of their Woden to the norse Odin. we know the anglo saxons had myths that are missing or absent from the norse mythos, like the 9 herbs myth, so its not that out of question that their version of odin wasnt missing an eye either. or even more likely, that the christians who made the drawing didnt entirely understand it
>>18626576Did they stop being nords when they sailed laterally for 400 miles?>>18626673Interesting.
>>18626320Asmongold.
2:14:29https://www.youtube.com/live/UurIm7A0k2g
>>18628141>casually brags about sodomy Orthodogs are not sending their best
>>18628141Isnt this the guy that enjoy hell dude worships
>>18628297No you're thinking of Steven Anderson
Why is success seen as a bad thing nowadays?
Literally ANYONE at the top of the totem pole will be the target of mass envy and derision and conspiracy theories
>>18627808Not really? Like the OP Pic in question was made by some mentally ill loser but I don't think it's representative of anything or that people "up top" can't seethe and bitch a lot.
>>18628173Yes really? This is naturally how humans work. People have always been coming up with strange conspiracy theories about the nobility. “They worship the Devil and suck the life essence out of children”. >Like the OP Pic in question was made by some mentally ill loserIt was made in response to “What have white people done for us?”, which is an unhinged statement to begin with. White people have done more good than not. Is uplifting the world a bad thing? Arguably it could be, if everyone else continues to blame white people for ever being.
>>18628244So this is all over deranged e-fighting and one guy decided to counter one person saying something stupid with something exponentially more retarded with totall faulty data?
>>18628267He’s actually not wrong. White people gave you literally everything lol.
Why do people south of the mediterranean hate animals?
>>18628250Competing for the same ecological niche.
>>18628250So you totally are leaving out the mass killing and extinction of wildlife in Europe and Australia having constant species extinctions to this very day?Pictures of lions don't do shit.
Yorubans were noted for liking dogs, and at least the Ifeans went about depicting other wild animals in a favorable fashion.
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>>18627154>La expulsión de un 4% de la población puede parecer de poca importancia, pero hay que considerar que la población morisca era una parte importante de la masa trabajadora, pues no constituían nobles, hidalgos, ni soldados.doesn't seem true, at least in southeastern spain, and that was 100 years after reconquista had finished. in 900 there would've been way more muzzies
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>>18627904What does this mean?
>>18626001were these the wives of cortes and pizarro?
>>18626001They look indistinguishable from English slags. Just rotate the flag 45 degrees.
You say, "I was born against my own will!" But let me ask you this: how can one be born against his own will? It is impossible to be born against your own will because you had no will before you were born. Or, if I am wrong, tell me: where were you before you were born?God did not choose to be; He Is."But why punish me?" Because you refuse to turn. You say you were born against your own will, though you had no will, and now that you are alive and have a will, you have made your will greater than that of Him who brought you to life. Why is this?In the beginning, you recognized yourself as not the source of judgement, yet now you sit on the judge's seat and say, "My will be done," and your will indeed be done, for this is judgement: that whoever refuses to give up their own will in the face of the One who brought them to life will not share in His will and in His eternal life.For this reason, Jesus said, "Your will be done." For those who give up their own will in the face of the One who brought them to life, they will indeed share in His will and in His eternal life.What then is the will of God? It is said, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."To believe is to become, to be, and act. If you truly believe that the stove is hot, you will not put your hand on it. Why then, if you believe in Him, would you not want to be formed into His likeness?As it is said, "I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you."Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18627941>how can one be born against his own will? It is impossible to be born against your own will because you had no will before you were bornOkay, so you agree.
Stop spamming your shitty thread everwherehttps://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/subject/%20LISTEN%20ATHEISTS/
Everything else is partial; Jesus came to reveal the whole.The greatest lie is not the opposite of truth; the greatest lie is a partial truth treated as the whole truth.
>>18627941No one was born against their own will. Them not remembering their own willing of birth is not them being born against it.
The Father stands in front of the mirror; the image in the mirror is him, but he is not the image in the mirror. So it is with the Father and the Son. Through the Son, the Father made himself known.Or again, it is like the sun and the moon: if you look at the sun, you will become blind, but if you look at the moon, you are seeing the sun's light. The moon's light is not its own; the light belongs to the sun, and by looking at the moon, you are able to receive it. So does the Son make the invisible Father known to you. This is why "The Father is greater than I" and "I and the Father are one" are both true.
