how would history change if every feudal realm had the technology and knowledge to develop nuclear weapons?
Fucking nuclear winterDoes it sound fun to you?
>>18523013I don't think anything would change honestly. Just because they in theory know how to do it doesn't mean a subsistance agriculture society will be able to.
What do you guys think of Georges Sorel? He seems to be mostly remembered nowadays for his unusual political journey and his role in influencing Mussolini.
Did Jesus even exist? Given the lack of any contemporaneous accounts of the Jesus character, at face value, the Doherty explanation given below seems more sensible than the belief that the people making up the Jesus stories literally believed in a living, breathing, super-powered, magician rabbi two thousand years ago who managed to get killed by some non-magical humans anyway. Are there any real refutations of it other than the consensus of bible scholars who obviously have vested interests in the topic?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Doherty#The_Jesus_Puzzle>In all four of these works, Doherty presents views on the origins of Christianity, specifically promoting the view that Jesus is a mythical figure rather than a historical person. Doherty argues that Paul and other writers of the earliest existing proto-Christian Gnostic documents did not believe in Jesus as a person who incarnated on Earth in a historical setting. Rather, they believed in Jesus as a heavenly being who suffered his sacrificial death in the lower spheres of heaven at the hands of the demon spirits, and was subsequently resurrected by God. This Christ myth was not based on a tradition reaching back to a historical Jesus, but on the Old Testament exegesis in the context of Jewish-Hellenistic religious syncretism heavily influenced by Middle Platonism, and what the authors believed to be mystical visions of a risen Jesus.
>>18523535>thwre are iver 20,000 manuscripts proving Christ’s existence,This isn't actually true. The manuscripts you're referring to are medieval christian manuscripts talking about jesus, not actual contemporary or near-contemporary writings about the man.>People don’t die for a lie, it is recorded all of Jesus’ disciples got brutally murdered apart from John for not renouncing ChristNo it isnt. This literally isn't actually a real thing that happened in history. Also, people die for lies all the time.Modern western civilization exists due to a rejection of christianity and an embrace of naturalism and science. Christians did not create modern society. The west under christianity up until the Renaissance and eventually the Enlightenment was a shithole.
>>18523535The west was founded upon Greece and Rome who were pagan. Try again
Bump. I'm looking into Richard Carrier's mythicism more now and the evidence against historicism is really damning.
Christianity, as a religion, has no native mysticism. It inherited an apocalyptic Jewish messianism, a Pauline crucifixion theology, and a set of ethical teachings about charity and repentance. What it did not inherit from its Palestinian origins was a contemplative metaphysics. It had no doctrine of the soul's ascent through hierarchies of being. It had no analysis of divine names. It had no triadic structure of procession, rest, and return. It had no theurgic theology. It had no apophatic negation as a pathway to union with the Absolute. These doctrines did not exist in the Gospels. They did not exist in Paul. They did not exist in the Synoptic tradition. They did not exist in the rabbinic Judaism that formed Christianity's immediate background.Christianity acquired its mysticism in a single documented act of literary theft, from the works of a pagan neoplatonist named Proclus, who Christians invented a fake name and gave credit to for his work instead: Dionysius the Areopagite never existed. The "Dionysian corpus" (do some research into this) is a word-for-word ripoff / re-branding of metaphysical philosophy written by the neoplatonist, Proclus in Athens. He had to flee from Athens to continue his work, when his academy was forced to close down by Christian emperor Justinian. 4 years after the academy was closed down, christians take credit for his works and bolt on some BS about jesus into it, while crediting the work to a made-up person with a made-up story that Paul converted them to Christianity.
ITT: Deniers going>Nuh-uh, Nuh-uh, Nuh-uh
Has emily wilson's odyssey completely replaced every other translation? When i read the odyssey the standard translations were fagles and lattimore. Today there are reports that bookstores only sell the emily wilson translation and it has become the standard for educational curriculums. Some say you cannot find other translations outside the internet, comparing the situation to the story 1984, in which they government destroyed records of the past in order to rewrite historyHas this modern translation really become the standard reading for the odyssey?
>>18520473Why are women like this?
>>18524802Like what? Like the straw woman a grifter made up to get people angry so they'd give him money in return for more strawman articles to make the more angry?
>>18524807what a despicable lying whore this wilson is. godamn
>>18524812The complete opposite of what I wrote but do go on.
>>18520425No, I did see her translation alongside the others like Fagles and friends.
Why do people have a problem with Zeus fucking mortal women? Nobody in Ancient Greece or today would have a problem with a hot goddess like Aphrodite coming down from Mount Olympus and having sex with them, so why do people have a problem with a hot god impregnating mortal women with a demigod?
To be fair the actual Greek religions tended to understand the myths in terms of rituals. Just like how Second Temple Judaism understand different meanings to the rituals with various metaphysical systems.
>>18523865It's more the rapey moments that bother people
>>18524008Plus his plans are too convoluted.>Be Zeus, Horny>want fuck girl, wife be mad>turn into bull, wife no see it me>make girl horny for bull>girl hires contractor to manufacture bull mating mount, so bull fuck her. 3 weeks of construction>have sex with girl>drown her and it makes an island chain
>>18524138>Hera sees another island has appeared in the aegan see >"oh for fucks sake, ZEUS!">Zeus is sitting in his couch, watching MortalVision, acting like he has been there all along>"Did you really think I wouldnt notice?">laugh track plays
>>18523865It wasn’t just women…
How are religions going to deal with the technological singularity? When machines become more intelligent than humans at every task, and continued advances in neuroscience and AI continue to disprove the existence of souls, free will, and divine intervention (these things have already been disproved but it will not longer be possible to deny that they have soon), what happens to religious belief? Will religion continue its long-term decline, or will religious movements adapt and reinterpret their doctrines to fit the new reality? Could fundamentalist groups become more militant and resistant as their core assumptions are disproved, or will entirely new forms of spirituality emerge around superintelligent AI and post human life? How are the world's religions likely to respond when humanity is no longer the most intelligent entity on Earth?I suspect Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have a 0% chance of surviving in the next ~10 years, but religions like Buddhism, Paganism, Hinduism, "spiritual but not religious" people, and, of course, atheists, will be fine.
AGI is here
>>18524009>deny it and cope
>AI will wipe out Abrahamism for once and for allI guess the iron chariots won in the end
>>18523788>who caresNot the AI. Its just a tool. It won't do anything unless an agent tells it to.
>>18522470Based on how the theists on this board behave, it can't come soon enough.
I still dont get why he did the HolocaustWhy waste so many resources on killing Jews when you could've used them for the war effort?
>>18524663Oh nice, glad to know you have telepathic powers and can read the minds of millions of Jews to know they are lying because no one who disagrees with you on anything could possibly have actual political convictions.
>>18519734Modern holocaust scholarship has tended to stray from the idea that one man was responsible or even that it was as organized as once thought. This is the center of the intentionalist and functionalist debate and moderate functionalism has pretty much won out in academia. The idea is that mass killings of Jews started on the eastern front by lower level commanders in the form of mass shootings and mobile gas vans. Then this policy trickled up to labor camps until you get shit like Auschwitzs. It makes even more sense when you realize non-genocide related parts of Nazi Germany also operated in this chaotic way, people doing stuff on the ground then trickling up and the higher ups pretending it was always their policy.
>>18524711>It makes even more sense when you realize non-genocide related parts of Nazi Germany also operated in this chaotic way, people doing stuff on the ground then trickling up and the higher ups pretending it was always their policy.Can you name a few noteworthy instances of this that resulted in policies on the scale of the holocaust?
>>18524735Honestly no, the holocaust was probably the magnum opus of this chaotic form of governance.
>>18524745ok well then any examples to back up this theory that are large but not on the scale of he holocaust
So instead of invading ussr and causing 30+ million death, all Hitler had to do was sell some better drill bits to Italy…
Oil was the least of Germany's problems. They were short on everything, including food.
Nobody knew oil was there at that time and they didn't even have the technology to extract it anyway. Libyan oil was discovered in the 60s. The same exact thing happened with Japan, there were oil fields in Manchuria they could have used which would have solved all their supply issues and nobody had any idea.
>>18523298Nothing you said is even relevant to the main topic.
>>18524261Debating the main topic is waste of time.What if the allies knew about all the oil in middle east?What if Germany knew about the uranium deposit in Czechoslovakia?What if Germany had built a F35?
>>18524268What if Boudica of Iceni possessed military prowess in shieldwall tactics and proto Scottish Schiltron-style formations?
Post your favorite historical artifacts!!!
>>18524069Thanks fren
>>18521822bunda
>>18522849This is very much unlikelyFirst his father was a knight so he would be inclined to inherit his professionSecond it's Novgorod republic so he had much higher likelihood of becoming a trader if he felt rebellious Third priests in orthodoxy are allowed to marry
>>18523779I told you, they're pestles, Mom! Now stay out of my room!
>>18522856kek
>the latest /his/ lolcow is a christian who throws a tantrum when you don't address him as an agnostic>he used to be a reddit-tier fedora but converted to christianity when he failed to kill himself>he uses his miraculously saved life to shitpost on /his/ day and night>his special move is telling people that he's not reading what they're writing whenever he's cornered
>>18524245He's a Spanish mutt who lives in France he posted on /int/ once and got flagdoxxedmoors have an inferiority complex to italy
Does anyone have a qrd on the apparent discord that is being mentioned in the religion/atheism threads?
>>18524339Is "he" in the room with us right now? Did "he" pick up the mantle after you conceded? :^)
>>18524371I am right here, and yes I won and you lost
>>18524371Nta but I would like to confirm that he did indeed win and you did indeed lose.
Can it be debunked?The flesh is human cardiac tissue -- specifically myocardium, the heart muscle. The blood is human, type AB. The same blood type found on the Shroud of Turin and the Sudarium of Oviedo.The flesh and blood were found to be fresh, as if taken from a living person that day, despite being over 1200 years old. No preservatives or embalming substances were detected.The protein patterns in the blood are identical to those of fresh normal blood. The tissue shows no evidence of decay or mummification.The tissue shows no foul play, as its structure would have been impossible to cut in the 800s.https://catholicexchange.com/the-ancient-eucharistic-miracle-at-lanciano/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XJeyWSNCv2RDg5515Naa20vYNKiibkhh1NQPB9rHiB0/mobilebasic> The histological diagnosis of myocardium, based on indisputable objective elements (*), makes the hypothesis of a "false" made in ancient times unacceptable.> In fact, even supposing that the heart had been removed from a cadaver, it must be considered that only a hand expert in anatomical dissection could have, and not without serious difficulty, obtained from a hollow viscus a uniform and continuous "slice", tangential to the surface of the viscus, as can be deduced from the predominantly longitudinal course of the myocardial fibers, taking into account (CHIARUGI, 1934 [1]) that it is precisely in the superficial, mantle-like area of the heart that the bundles of fibers with a longitudinal course that rapidly becomes oblique are found.
Why did black americans become a nation within a nation?Most black americans see themselves as distinctly seperate from the american national identity. They believe they have no role in america's actions whether in the past or present and american identity is congruent with white people. That's why they say that the government of the country should give them reparations as if they part of a different country, and keep repeating the notion that blacks built america, when anyone part of the national framework would not have to say that in a forced way. Many even say that by serving in the military they fought in "white people's wars".black americans are like arab israelis in israel, or kurds in turkeyWhy did they fail to become fully american?
>>18522920Ethnogenesis or assimilation can prevent this when people don't actively try to maintain division (which is explicitly what segregation was designed for). Black Americans wouldn't even exist anymore if they had simply been bred out of existence by mixing with whites, they're only 10-15% of the population after all.Every Afrikaans white South African has black ancestry from the early 17th century but nobody can even "spot" that, the same would've probably happened to the descendants of mixed blacks in the USA if Jim Crow hadn't tried to "freeze" the racial line.
>>18522555>Most black americans see themselves as distinctly seperate from the american national identity. They believe they have no role in america's actions whether in the past or present.thats not true in the slightest>black americans are like arab israelis in israel, or kurds in turkeyyour whole post in nonsense
>>18522555Almost everyone loves the people and culture of their country while not feeling a strong loyalty to the government that rules over them. This isn't unique to Black Americans or America
>>18522555>Why did black americans become a nation within a nation?The nation (more or less) specifically made it very clear they did not want anything to do with them unless it meant taxing them or sending them to die for the cause of someone who hated them. Several times.That tends to help the development of a separate culture and ethos from the majoritarian one.>Why did they fail to become fully american?Slavery, segregation, racism. Unironically. It's not a mystery. Up to a few decades a large amount of Americans didn't want them to be 'fully' american, despite the ironic fact they would have a stronger claim than many white Americans had they not been niggers.
>>18522555You got it backwards, Israelis are like black americans in Palestine, except they were never enslaved, they just bumrushed the country and imposed themselves on it, successfully imposed a system of apartheid and periodic genocide on the native population.
Do you think China regrets not having its own Meiji restoration period
Bing Bong
>>18518497>Do you think China regrets not having its own Meiji restoration periodImmensely. Japan was forcibly opened by the US but the Japanese immediately saw the value in things like steam engines, western medicine, railroads, western military doctrine and technology, etc. - even if they had to fight a series of civil wars over it - and they were very aware that the Russians were already approaching from the north. It certainly wasn't a painless transition but it ended up with their house in order and access to the cutting-edge technology of the day.For all that the communists hated imperial institutions they sure would have loved it if there was one last strong emperor who said "okay, let's get out of the middle ages" sometime in the 19th century before handing the throne off to the typical unpopular and easily-disposed incompetent.
>>18523369 >profound and irreversible, irrecoverable loss of priceless Chinese literature, art and artifactsAlways found that a little hard to believe, at least on a large scale. You'd think decades of qing decline, decades of revolution and brutal warlord fighting, and decades of red v.s. blue fighting (plus japanese occupation), plus massive famines both during the war(s) and in the postwar period did a pretty good job at destroying the vestiges of TRVDITIONVL chinese culture, no funny dong man or angry college students needed
>>18518531>The scramble to hastily implement reforms that they had previously shot down did little to convince people otherwise.too little far too late, just like imperial russia and joseon
>>18524421The modern destroys more of the old than the old ever did. Similarly, only today could you start such an awful famine on societal, infrastructural scale.
What if our conception of God is just personification of the Universe?As in God is not a literal person but just a metaphor to attribute personal qualities to the Universe?What if the Universe is just a machine, that is governed by the laws of physics?>I don't believe in a personal god, but I will acknowledge that "God" can be a way of personifying the Universe. I'd say am a crossover between Atheism & Pantheism, if there is such..And some people resorting to insults instead of respectful debates, I mean sure this is 4chan, but come on this is /his/ which is one of the higher end boards.>Even if Jesus was a real historical person, so was Buddha, Muhammad.
>>18524578You're describing something like Spinozan Monism and most religious people wouldn't like it but plenty of atheists are fine with it.
>>18524585>Spinozan Monism I've never read Spinoza(yet), heard about him through Albert Einstein. I might only have a basic grasp of his ideas.I don't believe in a personal god like the Abrahamic One.
>>18524578>What if the Universe is just a machine, that is governed by the laws of physics?Why should there be any laws?
>What if our conception of God is just personification of the Universe?No one ever does that other than as damage control when cornered in debates.>b-but muh deists and ag-If you are a deist or agnostic, you likely don't have religious debates in the first place.
Is insulting people secretly with my internal monologue in my mind ethical?
>>18524506kek
>>18524506Matthew 5:28But I say to you that everyone who looks at a post with seething intent has already committed chimping out at Anonymous in his heart.
