Hi! I've been reading about religion for some years now, and I find the *general* proposition of theism reasonable, and I've dabbled with Edward Butler, but I'm curious, what are the best arguments for one or the other? I believe there's peobably a supreme formless God that's the ground of reality, but why should od shouldn't I find the notion of lesser gods also existing compelling? I am intrigued by Proclus' and later writer's hendad model of divinity
>>18524035>>18524039>>18524052TYSM for the reading material! I find it sad how little attention polytheism gets in westerm circles, philosophically speaking.
>>18522466That doesn't contradict polytheism at all, plenty of advaita vedantans think the lesser gods are just apparent reflections of different aspects of the one true god
>>18524031The Benei Elohim some of them came to earth and mated with women and those women then gave birth to the other type of gods, who God eventually turned into demons.
>>18523746Because they accepted worship that belongs to God, hence leading people astray. >>18524013Nah.
>>18522388>lesser godsContradiction. God is the perfect Being. An imperfect being would not be a god.
What did the Gauls do to them to deserve their ire?
Hitler was an avatar of Satan, the whole of Nazi ideology was Satanic blasphemy
>>18523898>the Roman’s killed Christ ev&oe they couldn’t give a fuck about what the laws of some retarded Levantine clergy and had their hand forced when deciding Christ’s execution Lmao
>>18523692Aren't you a little old to believe in Santa?
>>18524028>17too old
>>18523692He wasn't a big fan of men having sex with each other. Do you think that is Satanic?
>>18524000stupid jew, stop lying about what the Bible says
What caused them to be dumb as fuck?
>>18522845something something superioritysomething something controversy
>>18522845Genetic factors
>>18522845crypto communists seeping in from the us and entrenched themselves into their governments in the 40's/ 50's/ 60'scanada was the first afflicted due to proximity, and during the cold war they got their talons into the uk/aus/nz because they could believably blend in and they were de-facto vassal states of the american empire the greatest lie the devil ever told was that the united states was fighting against communism
>>18522845"Dumb" how, exactly?This just looks like a "fuck white anglophones" map
>>18522845I legitimately feel bad for people who don't live in the red areas
there is a legal document on the mannumision of slaves from roman siria palestina.in it a kike falsified some documents about a jewish slave passing him to a goyim so he wouldnt have to pay taxes while also not owning the slave on paper so he wouldnt break hallacaic law about enslaving another jewthis is straight up the most jewish thing ive ever heard of
>>18523678hey! :D i made that pepenot cool to not give me credit thoughwas originally gabagool.png but filename got changed to a UNIX timestamp
>>18523691>a sephardic rabbi wrote a book in which he explains why jews neccesitate the owning of slaves to live a fullfilled lifeMeanwhile goyim write books in which they explain why they necessitate being slaves owned by jews to live a fulfilled life and call it "economics".
>>18523685And that's exactly why Americans get circumcised.
May we see this document?
>>18524266>>18523691
Why does everyone take it at face value that Hitler acked himself in the bunker when irl he could've had a firefight to death with the Soviets and the winners came up with the humiliating lie?
They apparently tested blood from some couch and compared it to his relatives and it matched. So yeah, the guy killed himself and didn't fly to Argentina.
probably because everybody who was in said bunker stated he killed himself
Why would the winners come up with a humiliating lie when they could look like badasses and drag his corpse through the streets
>>18524296they used corpse-obliterating technology from the concentration camps to remove all proof of his death, truly devilish
The Egyptians associated the Sinai Peninsula with Set—god of chaos, rebellion, deserts, and foreigners.And this is precisely where the Hebrews went during the Exodus—where Moses received his Ten Commandments.Yahweh is Set—god of chaos, rebellion, deserts, and foreigners.
>>18523658ive never read it actually
The god of the Jews is the divine feminine, so its the corrupted pantheon with Venus as its "star".Aten/a, Ishtar, the new Israel Urania by any other name.
>>18523645Correct.Reminder that there are no archaeological evidence for any of the main characters of the Pentateuch, not a single reference. Not a single name drop except 'house of David' and 'israel' once.
>>18523645Biblical sinai was archeological proven to be northwestern arabia, below midian in that map (that’s also where yahweh is from)
SHORT:OP has a point, while he is still retarded.A more profund version of the story:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTnQ__VSQzc>What is the Demiurge - Pt 1 - How the God Yahweh Became a Demon
Do you every feel genuine child-like awe and wonder? Does everything have to be political? Does everything need to have an agenda behind it? Just to be genuinely excited and curious about where everything came from and what the ultimate truths are like a pure-hearted little child would be. Not worrying about some internet debate or politics or argument or ideological positions or trying to prove something, or anything like that at all because all of that stuff would simply be nonexistent in your mind. Do you see my point?Would you think that the more you can have this mentality, the more stress free life you could live with more liberation. I certainly do think so. If you look at little children they're so much happier than adults are because they don't deal with those things.
>>18521829>Do you every feel genuine child-like awe and wonder?Yeah, paying attention to the sensation of walking really helps. It's actually so cool.What you're describing with politics and the like reminds me of something I think they called the "conceptual fallacy" - concepts exist to enrich our experience but we often somehow end up replacing our experiences by conceptualizations. Before you know it, your meal is gone and you don't remember a single bite because you thought about some bullshit. What we gotta do is keep conceptualization in check. Sometimes just walk.
>>18523636I know exactly what you mean. And I agree, people need to learn and stop and just think about little things like that sometimes.
>>18523600>>18523606Nice
>>18521954Material reality isn't even real, atoms are just bundles of energy and force.
>>18523657Energy and force is real retard and so is material reality
Universals don't exist.
>>18521880What is the obsession you have for destroying your own vocabulary?
>>18521880Is it universal that universals don't exist?
>Universals don't exist.Even Quine has need to accept the "bitter pill of Platonism".The point is that entities like prime numbers, geometrical figures, or logical sentences act as if they have an independent reality. This property, having a mind-independent quality that shows itself through consequences not accepted, is, for the common mind, associated with "being part of the external reality".Logicians or philosophers may have good objections against this kind of naive Platonism. Unfortunately, the knowledge of being subject to an optical illusion doesn't make the illusion itself go away. The same applies to Platonism.It may be irrational and superstitious to believe that mathematics is something other than a set of arbitrary rules, but when you see a proof that shows a quality of, e.g., numbers you would never think about, this illusion has a strong grip on our mind.I, for myself, cannot help but surrender to Cantor's proof and flee to some kind of soft Platonism in the face of the reality of real numbers.
>>18521999This stage of debate was already reached by Locke, Berkeley and Hume.>>18522037You point to an interesting case, even if you're retarded.Aristotle developed his system of syllogism partly because he wanted to order the natural kinds of animals.Now, through our lens of natural selection, reality appears far more Nietzschean than Aristotelian. In other words, we humans observe different "natural" kinds of living beings because we see the history of the universe in slow motion.Actually, all life on Earth is, most likely, just the variation of a chemical process that started billions of years ago. The indications for this are irrefutable, e.g., the use of similar genes in beings as different as plants and animals, similar cellular structures in all eukaryotic life, etc.Yet, the different natural kinds are somehow real but their reality is far more abstract.>>18524073Doesn't follow.Comment too long. Click here to view the full text.
>>18524244This single post brings HOPE back to /his/
Is this scene really what race relations looked like in school in the 1970s? Both black and white students being equally being racist to each other, rather than black students being passive victims like in earlier decades, or white students in later decades? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HebzsG7hGqk
these are the haplotypes:I22613.AG R-P312 U5b2b1a1I22614.AG R-P312 U5b1f1aI22615.AG G-L166 N1a1a1I22616.AG R-P312 H1e1I22617.AG U5a1+@16192I22618.AG G-Z6901 T2c1eI22619.AG R-P312 H1I22620.AG K1c1acrazy that actual nordics entered italy in the early bronze age
>>18523442Modern Iberians overlap with southern French in many cases too so it's irrelevant
>>18523573And it is Yamnaya R1b-z2103, PF756 and J2b-l283 found in cetina culture. 2 out 3 found in Etruscan samples = real etruscans. Any P312 are proto Celtic and literal Celtic intruders. One anon posted Germanic R1b-U106 as proof of basically nothing because it was dated to Cimbri war and any P312 haplos of Etruscans are not etruscans but slaves and bandits.
>>18523941no it's not, it's p312, there's not a single R1b-z2103 etruscanhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abi7673>To investigate the potential influence of sex biases in these genomic transformations, we computed the frequency of uniparental markers through time. The mtDNA diversity does not seem to change substantially before and after year 1 CE (fig. S5A). By contrast, the newly reported central Italian individuals from 800 to 1 BCE show ~75% frequency of the Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b, mostly represented by the R1b-P312 polymorphism and its derived R1b-L2, that diffused across Europe alongside steppe-related ancestry in association with the Bell Beaker complex (16). This suggests that this R1b Y-chromosome lineage spread into the Italian peninsula with steppe-related movements during the Bronze Age.
>>18523968Dog, the fact remains that Etruscan language comes from Lemnos and the Bronze Age Balkans lack P312 results at all. Meanwhile, Balkan Bronze Age genes are found in Etruscan samples. It’s quite clearly that aegeans transmitted their genes on the Italian mainland. Your only claim to etruscans is that the real elites of aegeans ruled over bell beakers who previously massacred and rape the farmers of the Italian peninsula. The Etruscans and Romans both came from the Balkan Aegean area and ruled as warrior elites.
>>18524105>Genome-wide studies of Iron Age individuals from Tuscany and Lazio show that Etruscans were genetically similar to their Latin neighbors, despite linguistic differences.[71] Both groups carried Steppe-related ancestry, introduced via migrations in the 2nd millennium BCE, likely associated with the Bell Beaker culture.[61] A 2021 study found no signal of recent admixture from Anatolia or the Eastern Mediterranean, supporting the Etruscans' autochthonous origin.[61] The large majority of Etruscan males belonged to the haplogroup R1b-M269 (75%), particularly R1b-P312 and its derivative R1b-L2 (descendant of R1b-U152), while mtDNA was dominated by haplogroup H.[61] Overall, Iron Age Etruscans from central Italy could be modelled as deriving 50% of their ancestry from Central European Bell Beakers (represented by Germany Bell Beaker), with around 25-30% steppe ancestry. Two Etruscan samples were modelled as having 80% Germany Bell Beaker ancestry.[61]>A 2024 study on individuals from Tarquinia (9th–7th century BC) confirmed earlier results: ancestry was 84–92% Italy Bell Beaker with additional 8–26% Steppe admixture. Two males carried haplogroup J2b, and maternal haplogroups matched post-Neolithic European patterns. Physical traits included pale to intermediate skin tones, light/dark brown hair, blue and brown eyes.[72]
Marx believed that the proletariat and the bourgeoisie had interests that were irreconcilably opposed to one another, and that the only way of resolving class conflict is through class war and the abolition of class society. Do you think this is true, or do you think the state could potentially act as a mediator above class that resolves or at least greatly diminishes class conflict?
>>18523961ad hominem
>>18524163stratagem 3: generalize a specific statement
>>18523961Based on what you've read I'm telling you truly and unironically: read Kapital. Not some youtube video, not some other persons opinion on it. Read Kapital. What you have stated as the things that interest you are level 1 of his thought. You, personally, would immensely benefit from engaging with the rest of it
>>18524175ad hominem
>>18523961>Christians are to be eradicatedWhere does he mention that? In "On The Jewish Question" he takes the opposite stance against Bauer, that religion isn't the primary cause of contradiction in society
What's even the point of being interested in history, if you logically have to condemn and hate every single person in history you read about, because they have bigoted, non-liberal views?Like the solution to every religious question is always "priests should have no state authority, everyone should be free to choose their own religion".The solution to every Civil War is "people should be free to choose the leader they prefer and also campaign themselves to become Roman Emperors, if they want to". The solution to every single war is "war is mean, everyone should dismantle their military, melt their swords into farming equipment and be peaceful". Like what the actual fuck? How can this be your opinion? You not only should know better, YOU DO KNOW BETTER, if you are interesting in history. You know how this works out. I genuinely don't understand people, who are obsessed with history, but are left-wing or liberal. You have to have an insane double-think going on to make that work. I for that matter am not interested in learning about the entire history of drag queens, transsexual brothels and secret homosexual sign language just to hate on them.
>>18523853What do you mean by "knowing better," given that you seem to be applying your own present-day values to judge what the correct lessons of history should be?
>>18523855>What do you mean by "knowing better," I literally speak of this in the OP.Like imagine reading about a Roman Civil War and your only opinion on this is:>they are all evil, bigoted slave owners and should have decided who should rule by fair elections of all men and women in the Empire and not warOr this:>you should only ever fight a defensive war>taken too long, because of a Civil War and the Turks settled in Anatolia with their families?>Well, now it's their territory and it would be evil to conquer them, so you should just make peace with them and engage in mutually beneficial tradeLike this completely naive thinking that ANY authority illegitimate, that wars of aggression are always wrong (except against Germany in WW2) and so on. These modern Liberal values, which make all historical person from even just a few decades ago into bigoted monsters (if they take them seriously)
>>18523937But if you're arguing that judging historical figures by modern values is naive, aren't you also judging those modern liberals by your values which, by your own logic, a historian from the future would find equally parochial and limited?
>>18523953>But if you're arguing that judging historical figures by modern values is naiveNot naive. I actually can't comprehend their position. I can't put myself in their shoes. There is something fundamentally missing, which I do not understand about them. Like how do you, as a history professor, create a little roleplay scenario, where students argue on behalf of say the founding fathers, but you completely ignore the history of race, gender, slavery, etc in that exercise, because you are afraid of offending someone or alternatively end the exercise by all reminding them they just roleplayed as literally Hitler and should remember to shun the opinion of the people they just roleplay as.>aren't you also judging those modern liberals by your values which, by your own logic, a historian from the future would find equally parochial and limited?No. If you just applied "my logic" without any further context, then the historians of the future are hypocrites, who have retarded libtard values, but for some reason make an exception for me, despite me having very anti-liberal values and beliefs. Of course I don't actually believe that, because I think they make an exception for people born after 1945, since the second World War is the secular founding myth of modern Liberalism.
Could it have won the war?
>>18522774>no heilpicGutless. Hitler would spit on you.
>>18522760Even if escorted you could still destroy it somehow. If bombing from above doesn't work then you use artillery, land mines, etc.
>>18522066sure, as long as you are capable of paving a runway in front of it wherever it needs to go.
>>18522775I posted a heilpic you ape.That's me in the photo.>>18524151If it doesnt work on battleships it doesnt work on landcruezers.
>>18522775>>18522753>erm you need to dox yourself so we can ruin your life
How do Christians explain Barbarossa dying before reaching the Holy Land, thus dooming the Third Crusade?How could this possibly be part of God's plan?
>>18523332mass baby rape happening every day forever is all part of the gods plan bro, trust the plan. its true.
>>18523420I'm not the one who claims everything is God's will
