>finns consider this a "win"reminder: the finns were so thoroughly broken that, at soviet command, they ordered their own army to fight and expel the germans just days after they had been fighting side-by-sidethey held their own war crime trials and imprisoned their own leadersfor decades after their official state policy was to essentially act as a soviet vassal statewhy don't they get the same embarrassment as the italians? if anything finland deserves mockery the most, they weren't even being actively invaded and occupied like italy in 1943. finns just straight gave up
>>17440362their goal was to secure their independencestatus = winwar of continuation was for retaking lost territorystatus = failurenext time read some history book you stupid abo nigger
>>17440362>fight against a country 50 times your size>don't get totally obliterated>you should be mocked for thisWhy are you Russians so insane?
>>17440362They haven't lost any lands they had. That outer Karelia was joined to Finland when Finland became part of Russian Empire, except they had a little bit of south-western territory before. The North-East territory they just took from Russia when civil wars happened.
>>17440365you do understand that the population there was Finnish though, the countryside around St. Petersburg was majority Finnish speaking until the 30's when the Ingrian genocide happened
>>17440366Karelians and Ingrians aren't Finns.
>>17440367Any scientific basis for this?t other
>>17440368They're Finnic people, but they're not Finns. Stop claiming any Finnic nation to be Finnish.
>>17440367I guess I'm not Finnish then
>>17440369>>17440367>>17440365Russians be likeUm they are Finnic not FinnishSo anyway, Russian is not actually ethnic term, tatars and chechens are Russian!
>>17440369Soyence version of this?
>>17440369i want to have sex with russian fingolians girls from st petersburg so much
>>17440371>Anon discovers Diference between nationality and ethinicity
>>17440367They are. Just like Savoans and Bothnians are.
>>17440374there should be no difference between the two
>>17440374everybody in europe is a ethnostate
>>17440369They are finnish speakers though
>>17440371> tatars and chechens are Russian!No one says that.>Um they are Finnic not FinnishYes, Finnic people doesn't mean Finnish. Somehow Ugric Mansi aren't Hungarians you know.
>>17440379>No one says that.putin said that
>>17440380Putin says anything to appeal to anyone like any filthy politician.
>>17440362>NOOOOOOOO le heckin' wholesome underdog heroes! MUH SIMO HÄYHÄ! MUH WINTER WAR! MUH SISU!!!!
>>17440367The protestant Karelians in the isthmus were 100% Finnish
>>17440379>Yes, Finnic people doesn't mean Finnish. Somehow Ugric Mansi aren't Hungarians you know.No one claims that izhorians or vepsians are finnish, Ingrians and Karelian protestants are literally finns, no different from the other finnish subgroups like Tavastians, Ostrobothnians or Savonians. My great-grandmother was a Karelian from the Karelian isthmus
>>17440376Unless you live in a ethno state thats pretty much Impossible
>>17440385every state should be an ethnostate
>>17440382who hurt you?
>>17440386That would be Impossible
>>17440365Reminder that the only part of Russia that it owns and not merely occupies are the 1462 borders
>finland exists, soviet union doesn't>finland has higher gdp per capita than any post soviet countryWhy should we be mocked?
Russians in here are lying, Ingarians and Karelians are indistinguishable from Finns and Estonians.Literally all Finns are genetically more closer to Ingarians and Karelians genetically than every Russian groups, even groups that border or live next to them
>>17440391>Ingarians and Karelians are indistinguishable from Finns That's because they are Finns, they speak Finnish as their first language. Basically all Karelian Finns were evacuated to the rest of Finland in 1944 and most Ingrian Finns moved to Finland in the 1990's
>>17440362They didn't get communism. That means they won.
>>17440362meds
>>17440371What is finns take on Lappland? Samìs are finnic right so does that mean all samì territory should belong to Finland? Or are samìs their own thing?
>>17440379Ingria, the Karelian isthmus and Ladoga Karelia are historically Finnish speaking areas.
>country fights for its independence>it stays independent>somehow it's an L
>>17440395I don't really care about it, feels like a foreign place to me
>DID YOU JUST HECKING INSULT MY WHOLESOME REDDIT CHUNGUS WHITE DEATH EBIN SPURDO SPARDE GUDBOI MONGOL SHITHOLE??????
>>17440395Similar to scandis i would say, sami people see finland as colonizer since baltic finns arrived and finland as state has been destroying their culture, banned yoik, forced them to finnish schools and banned from speaking their own languages. So theres that same colonial aspect.
>>17440400it didnt happen, they deserved it and it will happen again
>>17440399>ShitholeWell, you know, aside from the fact that they're objectively wealthier, happier, safer, better educated, etc. than your country or Russia
>>17440400>>17440401Sami created the shithole known as Suomi, words which are cognates btw
>>17440403is this some sort of projection cope about your country actually being bulgarian?
>>17440404Ever wonder why there aren't any Finns in Finnmark?
>>17440363Hmm no? The soviet goal was to conquer Karelia. They did that
>>17440405there areyou should just join back to bulgaria so your countrys education system would improve
>>17440407It was called Finnmark before any Kven went there bro
>>17440366Finnish? Or finnic like Estonians?
>>17440406>The soviet goal was to conquer Karelia.Russian cope
>>17440410Not a cope, that was the official reason
>>17440405Lol you’re just distracting yourself with history to cope with denial of sex
>>206869099If im put in a cage with a polar beat and have to survive 5 minutes and i make it out with only an arm missing i did pretty well
>>17440412I would trade a lifetime of sex for winning 1 single online history argument
>>17440414shame you lost this one
>>17440413bad comparisonrussia doesn't want ukraine in it's entirety, only the russian parts
>>17440415I won thoughever
>>17440411You can say whatever you want but what you're actually trying to do is completely different thing. You don't launch a whole border wide attack and order your troops to stop at the Swedish border if you just want a small slice at the southern part.
>>17440418You do. That's exactly how wars workReal life isn't crusader kings
>>17440416This is the same winter war cope. Why try to take Kiev if you only want the parts in the East?
>>17440414Cope you’ll never feel a virgin boys tight boybutt. Its over.
>>17440419You are exactly using the crusader kings logic here.
>>17440362Why is it always foreigners and Fenno-Swedes who try to quarrel Finns and Russians on the internet? Leave us alone, you assholes.
>>17440417cope&seetheNORTH macedonia
>>17440424>cope&seethe>NORTH ma-ACK
>>17440403You are tied for the worst poster on /int/ with the Singapore spammer, leebot, and the Finnish faggot. Congratulations
>>17440391>>17440392>muh dnacope. Finland is fake and Finns are a fake race
>>17440427Finns are the only real ethnicity in Europe.
>>17440427oh shit this guy is onto us
>You are tied for the worst poster on /int/ with the Singapore spammer, leebot, and the Finnish faggot. Congratulations
>>206869099I wouldn't say Urkaine is winning, but if puccia has not achieved a single strategic objetive in this conflict, is it really de winning?
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>>17440366Ingrians are foreigners in St Peterburg. Karelians and Veps were native in that part (all loyal to Russia since 9th century)
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I don't care about Slavshits or Anglos desu
>>17440373https://youtu.be/GyPVlCLJSBM?si=O35yWGZ5iUZGfEG5This girl probably has 0% of slavshit dna in her. I would act like jeet if i were next to her
There aren’t enough Finngol hate threads
>>17440443Finland is literally worst country in the world, unredeemable shithole
>>17440438>russia >9th century
>>17440445>>russia >>9th century
finland epic sugoirussian thirdies, fat amerifags, and shitskin macedonians need not reply
>>17440444>cherrypickingPekka is afraid.
>>17440446this is like saying byzantines and romans were the same
>>17440449They were. People at those times didn't see much difference. They called themselves Romans and the country was E Eastern Roman Empire. They've even almost restored original lands once.
>>17440449t. ROMANia LOL
>>17440450between Theodosius and Justinian passed 150. ERE started to change significantly after Slavs had invaded the Balkans. Similarly the 9th century Rus' was more different than post-Mongol Moscovy
>>17440452>Similarly the 9th century Rus' was more different than post-Mongol MoscovyI wouldn't say that it was significantly different.
romania is just jealous about the whole 3rd rome thing
>>17440453there are like 500 years between them. how tf couldn't be there any significant difference?
>imperial romans were just larping being successors to the republican romans>hundreds of years had passed by that time and they didn't even have the same political system
>>17440453martti j. kari heavily disagrees with you
>>17440409Finnish, I have an Ingrian friend whose parents moved to Finland in the 90s, they speak Finnish as their 1st language, have russian first names but a Finnish surname that ends in -nen
>>17440408sami people were also referred to as finns
>>17440410>>17440411Finnish President Kyösti Kallio's Independence Day speech 6 December 1939 >"On November 30, 1939, the Soviet Union attacked across the border without a declaration of war and during the first day bombed 16 towns and cities all over our country">"Now the whole world sees that it's not just about the safety of Leningrad.">"It seems as if that mighty great power would like to deprive us of the independence it has recognized and with it everything that is sacred and dear to us."
>>17440429VGH
>>17440438>Karelians>loyal to Russiahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot9meHB-RyQ
>>17440362>the finns were so thoroughly broken that, at soviet command, they ordered their own army to fight and expel the germans just days after they had been fighting side-by-sideNobody refuted this?
>>17440463it's realhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War
>>17440464I know it's real, I just thought there would be more to it.Reading it, I guess there is; the tide was turning for the Axis', and Finland barely won against pre-LendLease Soviets and this was post-LendLease Soviets (basically infinite money hacks for the Soviets).I guess it was the responsible choice, but it sure does leave a sour taste in the mouth.
>>17440362> Finnland, a country of 300'000 people> Soviet Union, a country of 500 million people> Finns have legendary snipers that kills 6 millions Russians a day> Basically the entire holocaust > At the end Poland, Brasil and Findland still exist after the war> DID YOU KNOW THAT FINNALD WAS NOT AN AXIS MEMBER?
>>17440369>>17440379Explain this dialecthttps://youtube.com/watch?v=JQcdV4KIr4c>>17440395Saamis distinguish themselves as totally separate but how it happens in the language atleast is that the further apart you are from other dialects it gets harder to understand the other dialects, the clip shows just how far it is already from modern finnish since it has 'developed' over time or just in past 80-60 years.. I mean i cannot even totally understand from the first try what 1 or 2 of those words initially meant because older people talk funny, but then you get further apart and you get Estonia which you can understand like 15%. Similar thing is true with Saami but it keeps bothering me where did they get their 'g''s and 'b's in their language since we got them from you. Interesting nuance that hints towards Norway since some deerSaamis arrived from there in 1850s and are not the original 'lapps'. Then also Finnish lapps have been there from 1700 atleast whats recorded while some Saamis have been there for longer but some still came later. Interesting to see how they being the aborginaises they also a mixture from another nation that they carry that gets hinted in the language atleast.We say Kolme for Three and they say Golbma, we never had B or G so it's an export or distinguish but then it cannot really be distinguish because the other sounds are there that makes it sound finnic.
>>17440465>Finns agree to attack SU with the Germans>the war is over for Finns and peace treaty is signed with the SU>Finland asks German troops to withdraw, since Finland is not in war anymore>Germans refuse>... 80 years later: dId yOu KnOw tHaT fInNs BeTrAyEd DeM kRaUtS???
>>17440468>Germans refuseUmm... no they didn't.>The Wehrmacht had anticipated this turn of events and planned an organised withdrawal to Nazi-occupied Norway, as part of Operation Birke (Birch)>Despite a failed offensive landing operation by Germany in the Gulf of Finland, the evacuation proceeded peacefully at first.>The Finns escalated the situation into warfare on 28 September after Soviet pressure to adhere to the terms of the armistice.>The Finnish Army was required by the Soviet Union to push Wehrmacht troops out of Finnish territory.>dId yOu KnOw tHaT fInNs BeTrAyEd DeM kRaUtS???Well, you did, since you agreed to attack the Soviets but didn't.
>>17440469Yes they were. They were entrenching in the Lapland towns despite agreeing to withdraw.>Well, you did, since you agreed to attack the Soviets but didn't.We attacked Soviet Union as agreed. Nobody agreed that we should go down the drain if Germany would.
I want to be frens with Finns.
>>17440471Believe it or not, but most Finns would love to live with you in peace and harmony and have trade but it seems to be impossible for your country's leaders to not spread their bullshit over the borders.
>>17440362Look whos talking. You lost a war to emus
>>17440471based and frendpilled
