>is not me that sends you to hell it is you that by refusing to hear my message and loving sin, loves hell by your own willI hate this look of Christianity because it makes God look like a manipulator and destroys his mercy.Is our will and ignorance greater than his mercy and understanding? What a weak god then.I thought the whole deal about sin is that it's destructive by nature and we humans CAN'T see it on our own, and even if we follow Christ we will still sin because we can't help it. We aren't God so we aren't perfect and we need his guidance.I hate Christmas that says if you keep sinning, it's because you didn't believe in Christ in the first place. (whatever the fuck sin is because each christian has its own headcanon about God's law)Yes, we humans are stupid and we don't see a lot of things, we aren't deciding shit, we are ignorant. How does me believing Jesus paid the debt (even my future sins) stop me from sinning, when sin comes from our own limits in this life?
>>17436921>holds you at gunpoint>demand you hand over your wallet>you dont, so i shoot and kill youerm, you killed yourself by refusing to surrender the wallet :^)
>>17436921People who go to hell send themselves there, really
>>17436921My favourite part is the following:>you reject god because you love sin too much!>do I watch porn? uh, that's... STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!
>>17436921>this look of ChristianityIt's called logic. You don't like it because atheists can't reason.
>>17437066the stepfather, the stepson, the holy cuckerino. amen*barks*
>>17436933How? Also are we gonna talk how hell is translated the same for Gehenna and hades and how most of the view of hell we have comes from Dante's inferno and how annihilation theory makes more sense than eternal suffering? Death is the opposite of life, it's non existence.>>17436940>>17437072I want to have an honest discussion>>17437066Logic because reasons. K.
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>>17436921>>17437151Stop fucking conflating noahidism with christianity and maybe you will find salvation, assuming you are one of his people.
>>17437155Ok, don't explain dick. That's what a good christian does, not try to guide others towards salvation
why is this board so anti-christian?
>>17437458I know there are many antichristian threads right now, but this one is genuine.I just want an honest answer I'm having faith crisis
I understand that sentiment, I was explained at an early age where if you just confess your sins at the end, you'll go to heaven, and from the person who I heard it from, would lie and do petty things, which gave me the impression of>So you can be a piece of shit your entire life, but you'll still go to heaven as long as you confess your sins to God, and only God?>doubt.exeI believe in the word of God and all that, but expecting everything will be fine and dandy at the moment of truth just seems off putting to me, I think just being honest to your fellow man before you meet the Big Man is much more satisfying to the soul and you will eventually reach Heaven on Earth before reaching "True Heaven" (A Remorseless Death)Everyone will be a sinner, even if you raise the perfect child, they will eventually sin, it's a matter of teaching them to absolve themselves from sin, instead of telling them to depend on others or otherworldly entities to free them of their regret and guilt, thats a good way to build a Healthy Spirit in em, if that makes senseThanks for the thought process, will make the day more fun with my usual bullshit
>>17436921>Is our will and ignorance greater than his mercy and understanding? What a weak god then.You don't understand free will. You cannot be healed from your wounds if you refuse to accept assistance.
>>17437749>absolve themselves from sinYou cannot do this. Only God can. Christ taught the Apostles to do this and gave them the power. This is continued via Apostolic succession to us.
>>17437100By choice, anon.Hell is physical and spiritual distancing from God. He created us to be in communion with him, so willingly choosing to end that communion is detrimental to our souls.
>>17436921Enjoy burning in Hell!
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>>17438760Christianity's "guilty until proven innocent" doctrine is the most sadistic form of psychological terrorism ever inflicted on the human mind. You're born condemned, stained with "original sin" before you even take your first breath, and then told the only way out is through complete submission to an invisible cosmic dictator. But here's the sick joke - you can never actually prove your innocence in this rigged system. No matter how many prayers you say, how many commandments you follow, or how much you debase yourself, you're still a worthless sinner deserving of eternal torture. It's a perfect system of control that keeps you permanently enslaved to a guilt you never earned.The only real escape is realizing that this whole corrupt system is bullshit and we don't need external validation from some celestial judge. We are the only ones who can set ourselves free by rejecting the very premise that we were ever guilty to begin with. No god, church, or religion has the right to declare us broken from birth. The power to judge our own worth and define our own meaning has always been within us - we just need to deprogram ourselves from this inherited guilt complex that serves no purpose except to keep humanity psychologically chained. True liberation comes from telling this whole rigged cosmic courtroom to go fuck itself.
>>17437749Not Christian, but the historical Christian view is that sin is a lack of being. Confession and sacrements are either infusions of grace like in Catholicism or some working with God like in Eastern Orthodox. Grace enables the absolution of sin and enables one to reflect the image of God in man.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clRZ8Swfb14&list=PL_kd4Kgq4tP8-CiJI0BaIfSRsd1zGBfhd&index=5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxXiO0Lgjoo
>>17438793Basically grace enables the movement from lack of being to being. Ethics arises from that movement but is not only what is good. Metaphysically, the image of man is what is good in humans and is their metaphysical rational nature.
>>17438784>I don't like something>Therefore it doesn't exist
>>17437100The only honest discussion you're able to have is >we have no evidence for the supernatural, therefore we cannot assume the supernatural exists>god is omnipotent, an inherently supernatural quality>therefore it's horseshit
>>17436921>look like a manipulatorThays literally why the catholics depict him on a cross, to focus on the suffering and make you feel bad. Christians (different religion than catholicism) depict the cross baren showing how he conquered it and is the path to salvation. You're absolutely right, it is a manipulation technique. One wants you to feel horrible sonyou can be subjugated, the other sings songs praising their own deathAnd even bigger manipulators will say there's something wrong with you for rejecting that
>>17436921And also, considering the heroes of the Bible not copied off of Hercules, they're all slimy weak manipulators who lie and take advantage of anyone they can, from Jacob on down. The ideal is the opposite of the other religions of antiquity. Not strong warrior who defends, but feeble onion boys who trick even their own family and take advantage of them when theyre abiut to die. Lying and manipulation are virtues of champions according to the bible. Not the hunter who provides meat to his family, but the little bitch who hangs out with mummy all day behind her skirts
>>17439217>The only honest discussion you're able to have is >we have no evidence for the supernatural, therefore we cannot assume the supernatural existsThis is stupid one thing we do know is human limitation and that our senses are not perfect; there are a lot of things that we thought untrue that then we saw they were true.I think we have to be conscious of our own limits.
>>17439323We also know that hearing voices telling you to kill your children are clear markers of schizophrenia and a deranged, unwell, unsafe mind.That is, unless you want to believe all the other people who claim to hear God talking to them and telling them to kill people are also prophets. That one child rapist made it work for him big time
>>17439397Stop watching porn.
>>17439398I don't. Does nothing for me that way. It's so ridiculous I just laugh at it like it's an mst. That's weird though, I call Mohammed a pedophile and you think of pornography immediately Are you being defensiveness cuz I said people who hear voices instructing them to kill are clearly crazy? Do you feel the psych ward is full of enlightened people with a direct connection to the grand creator? Or do you maybe think unmedicated schizos on the loose might be detrimental to thise around them and society as a whole?
